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Is it time to run buses and trains on the 25/26th Dec?

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  • #52
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deub wrote: »
    The consensus here is: Only emergency services should work (hospital, guarda, etc).
    But I imagine if internet went down on 25th morning, the responses would be quite different.
    I guess when something doesn't impact you, you don't see the need. But if you need it, then it would be another story.

    If the internet went down, I would read a book or go for a walk. People should make adequate provision for restriction in transport services spanning two days.


  • #53
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    Deleted User wrote: »
    However, attacking bus/train drivers for a short interval reeks of sour grapes.


    Or the usual posters (or poster, really) with an axe to grind against the unions.


  • #54
    Deub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭Deub


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If the internet went down, I would read a book or go for a walk. People should make adequate provision for restriction in transport services spanning two days.

    Maybe you but other people wouldn't be so understanding. It is the "adequate provision" that can be the issue. You take a taxi, rent a car for a couple of days? If you don't earn a lot that is not a solution. The cheapest one is walking but only if you live near enough. A limited service would solve this.


  • #55
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Will ye just **** off and let people have a day off. Bus travel isn't essential and the drivers put up with enough **** during the year, why should they have to work Christmas day?

    Let's give those supplying your house with electricity the day off then.


  • #56
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,938 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Deleted User wrote:
    If the internet went down, I would read a book or go for a walk. People should make adequate provision for restriction in transport services spanning two days.
    Honestly I'd love it
    I'd be all for no internet on Christmas day.
    It'd be nice to have one day per year when none of the family and friends are staring at the screen on their phones while you are trying to have a conversation with them.
    And I'm a heavy internet user myself.


  • #57
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    It’s a slippery slope. The more and more workplaces that start operating on Christmas Day the more it could become the norm and the whole thing could be lost. I think it’s great so many places do a shut down mid winter, long may it continue. Part of the soul and culture of the nation for me


  • #58
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,512 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    road_high wrote: »
    It’s a slippery slope. The more and more workplaces that start operating on Christmas Day the more it could become the norm and the whole thing could be lost. I think it’s great so many places do a shut down mid winter, long may it continue. Part of the soul and culture of the nation for me

    The culture of the nation is no longer exclusively Catholic or even Christian. The good Friday thing was a bastion of 'culture' until recently, didn't see much public revulsion over bar staff not getting a day off.


  • #59
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,938 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    whisky_galore wrote:
    The culture of the nation is no longer exclusively Catholic or even Christian. The good Friday thing was a bastion of 'culture' until recently, didn't see much public revulsion over bar staff not getting a day off.
    Yeah, nobody cared about the Good Friday thing. As a matter of fact a lot thought it was ridiculous that a pub would be shut just because of religion.

    Christmas has long outgrown religion. It's about Santa Claus and kids and it's about family and tradition.

    I'm not religious but I love Christmas, I love that almost everything is shut down. People of many religions all over the world celebrate Christmas for the family occasion it has become.
    The only people that are against this are those who are anti Christian religions.


  • #60
    Nomis21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Nomis21


    When I was a bus driver in London the guys were queing up to work for triple pay on Xmas day


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  • #61
    Political Wall Map
    Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭Political Wall Map


    Wishbone Ash wrote: »
    I don't think any employee is 'entitled' to be off on Christmas Day but perhaps you don't mean in a legal sense.

    Also, you seem to think that only emergency services should operate on Christmas Day but what about the thousands of us who work in essential services (as opposed to emergency services)?

    I've just finished a 13 hour shift today and myself and the 80 skeleton staff that were on duty could not have simply stayed at home. We had at least 5 who normally depend on public transport but we pushed the boat out to facilitate them.

    That said, I agree with the sentiments about staff of purely commercial/non essential services being expected to be available on Christmas Day.

    Hero!!


  • #62
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    As someone who's had to work on Christmas Day I think people should have the day off to spend it with their families.
    The lack of public transport is probably a key factor in companies staying closed on the day.
    If you want your staff to come in you might have to pay for expensive taxis, which wouldn't make it worth their while for a lot of companies.
    Provide buses/trains/trams and you'd probably start to see that change.


  • #63
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,538 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I've been on call at Christmas since 2007. There's very few careers left that actually shut down fully for even the one day let alone two or more


  • #64
    Loveinapril
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,340 ✭✭✭Loveinapril


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    People in security, contract cleaning, newspapers, television, the esb, air traffic control, data centre staff, telecoms engineers, petrol station employees, hotel staff, nursing home staff, some finance companies dealing with asia and the UAE,

    There are also tonnes of support services like homeless organisations (I work for one so obviously know loads working over the last few days), residential homes for kids/ people with disabilities, drug and alcohol services, etc. I have worked christmas day while not driving and have had to rely on my family or taxis for lifts, it is such a hassle. I have been working shiftwork for years so it annoys me when people get so precious about poor unfortunates getting "one day off a year". There are way more people than anyone realises working around christmas.


  • #65
    Under His Eye
    Closed Accounts Posts: 907 ✭✭✭Under His Eye


    Let anyone that wants their precious day off have it, there are not shortages of people prepared to accept the premium wages to operate services that day for those that want them.


  • #66
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,938 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Did you ever see a spoiled child who kicks up a fuss when he doesn't get his way?
    Well I'll call Christmas and almost everything being shut down as the grinches not getting their way.
    So tough **** to you, deal with it. There are plenty of things and times I can't get my way and I just accept it and move on. You do the same, or if you actually try and get into it instead you might find it's a wonderful thing.


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  • #67
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    eagle eye wrote: »
    And let's have no oxygen in yours and do us all a favour.

    Stay classy. :rolleyes:


  • #68
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    magentis wrote: »
    I believe a major issue with IE operating on the 26th is the need for line checks to be done on Christmas day?

    Is the Luas not subject to similar checks?


  • #69
    ConnyMcDavid
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ConnyMcDavid


    It's embarrassing that the country has to stop tbh. It should really be a normal working day for everyone. People who are not religious celebrating what they spend the other 363 days complaining about is not a valid reason to shut the country down.

    If you want to celebrate Christmas you should do so in your own time like other people of different religions have to do while continuing to work.


  • #70
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,938 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    ConnyMcDavid wrote:
    If you want to celebrate Christmas you should do so in your own time like other people of different religions have to do while continuing to work.
    No, if you want to celebrate a festival that isn't celebrated here then go live where it is if you are not happy about it.


  • #71
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Not everyone being a 9 to 5er with Christmas Day and Stephens' Day off. There was some annoyed calls on foot of an interview with an IE spokesperson that they had to get taxis to get to work on those dates. Maybe some sort of limited services, does every other European country and city shut down at that time?

    Thoughts?
    No, leave it as it is


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  • #72
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    They are all running tomorrow except Irish Rail. I don't understand why IE don't run on Stephen's Day considering every other operator is.

    Did DB not operate a skeleton service on Christmas Day years ago but no one used it? I struggle to see any real demand for public transport on Christmas Day considering nearly every shop, restaurant or pub is shut. The vast majority of people aren't working there might be a small few working but everyone manages it's one day of the year.

    he amount of money that would have to be paid out to drivers and other essential staff in overtime would make it not worthwhile and quite frankly a waste of money.

    It wouldn't be overtime if it fell on their rostered day. They just get a day in lieu for it.


  • #73
    Teddy Daniels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 445 ✭✭Teddy Daniels


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Did you ever see a spoiled child who kicks up a fuss when he doesn't get his way?
    Well I'll call Christmas and almost everything being shut down as the grinches not getting their way.
    So tough **** to you, deal with it. There are plenty of things and times I can't get my way and I just accept it and move on. You do the same, or if you actually try and get into it instead you might find it's a wonderful thing.

    You’ve got no friends, it’s sad but the funniest thing is we be your friends but your obnoxious gene just pushes through:


  • #74
    Stephen15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    ConnyMcDavid wrote: »
    It's embarrassing that the country has to stop tbh. It should really be a normal working day for everyone. People who are not religious celebrating what they spend the other 363 days complaining about is not a valid reason to shut the country down.

    If you want to celebrate Christmas you should do so in your own time like other people of different religions have to do while continuing to work.

    How's it embarassing?


  • #75
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,938 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Teddy Daniels wrote:
    You’ve got no friends, it’s sad but the funniest thing is we be your friends but your obnoxious gene just pushes through:
    I've loads of friends and family. I'm not religious but accept that others are.
    Christmas for me has nothing to do with religion. I understand it originated within religion but it's a huge time for kids now and for family getting together.
    It's a wonderful time of the year, except for the amount of money that women spend!, and I don't want that to change.
    If you don't like it then book a sun holiday or something like that. I don't care, I'm.against it changing. As I said earlier I'd be all for turning off the internet on Christmas day.
    Problem today is the little brats that have grown up and want everything their way. Well imo you can go **** right off for Christmas.


  • #76
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    We've had a referenduum on abortion, on gay marraige, we've stopped locking up women in laundries, we've very much taken the 'catholic' out of 'good ol 'catholic' Ireland' , but ofcourse the last bastian to hold on is the civil servants and the state transport workers, protected to the hilt by fatcat unions and refusing to do a tap more than their grandad who got their father a job and them a job did.

    Good idea, have a referendum to abolish Christmas.


  • #77
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,140 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    ConnyMcDavid wrote: »
    It's embarrassing that the country has to stop tbh. It should really be a normal working day for everyone. People who are not religious celebrating what they spend the other 363 days complaining about is not a valid reason to shut the country down.

    it absolutely is . the majority likely don't wish to work on the 25th of december, so they should not be forced to.
    ConnyMcDavid wrote: »
    If you want to celebrate Christmas you should do so in your own time like other people of different religions have to do while continuing to work.

    if you want to work christmas day so badly, then by all means volunteer to do so. however others should not be expected to have to work when there is no need, because other people of other faiths may have to do so. especially when christmas is a cultural tradition rather then a religious tradition these days. effectively it's a national bank holiday.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words.



  • #78
    Infini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    Honestly the rails open all but 2 days of the year and people will still give out about something. Noones gonna give up christmas day period and as for stevens day your honestly gonna need to get agreement on that for alot of people. which noone will get since you wnt get enough people to agree unless theres a sognificant amount of money involved. Busses running on stevens day is only something recent too, most places up until a few years ago didnt even open on the 26th.

    Honestly people will rant about anything nowadays....


  • #79
    trellheim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,964 ✭✭✭trellheim


    In London Xmas is when a lot of heavy rail maintenance gets done . Its rostered work and planned miles in advance - it has to be done then as that is when the system is shut down there would be several shifts working 24/7


  • #80
    SteM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,859 ✭✭✭SteM


    Under His Eye wrote: »
    Let anyone that wants their precious day off have it, there are not shortages of people prepared to accept the premium wages to operate services that day for those that want them.

    The question is 'Is it time to run buses and trains on the 25/26th Dec?'

    If you're a transport company you can't go to your staff and say who want work that day for premium wages. What if 40% of them say yes - do you run a service at 40%? What if 60% of the 40% are mechanics or admin staff that say yes. Then you have more non-drivers than drivers, how would that work?

    Management either have to make the decision that they are running a public transport service or not, they can't leave it in the hands of the staff.


  • #81
    jesus_thats_gre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,441 ✭✭✭✭jesus_thats_gre


    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Will ye just **** off and let people have a day off. Bus travel isn't essential and the drivers put up with enough **** during the year, why should they have to work Christmas day?
    Stephen15 wrote: »
    How many people are actually working working today apart from Firemen, Gardai and Ambulance crews?

    I don't think that people have any real clue of how many people actually do work Christmas day.


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  • #82
    edunne2010
    Registered Users Posts: 103 ✭✭edunne2010


    This is from Transport for London,

    https://tfl.gov.uk/status-updates/major-works-and-events/christmas-travel

    Travel changes and information
    Between Saturday 22 December 2018 and Tuesday 1 January 2019, planned works and service changes may affect your journey.

    Key service changes will include:

    No services on Christmas Day except for Santander Cycles, Dial-a-Ride (for registered members only), Taxi and Private Hire and coaches which are available throughout the Christmas period
    No London Overground, TfL Rail or Thames Clippers services on Boxing Day
    Dial-a-Ride services will run throughout the Christmas season (for registered members), but are limited on certain days and are subject to different booking dates
    Changes to frequency and timetable of most services during this period
    Free travel
    There will be free travel on TfL services from 23:45 on New Year's Eve until 04.30 on New Year's Day (except on Thames Clippers and Emirates Air Line ).

    Information
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    @TfLTrafficNews as well as the TfL Travelbot on Facebook Messenger
    Our email updates
    Daily travel advice
    Find out more about travelling on the following days:

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    Christmas Eve
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    Friday 28 December
    Saturday 29 December
    Sunday 30 December
    New Year's Eve
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  • #83
    n97 mini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    I'm in NYC for Christmas week. Christmas day itself was a Sunday timetable on the subway. Trains every 7 minutes on average, with a regular weekday timetable on the 26th.

    Fantastic service to have. Loads of places open. Christmas dinner with the family in Chinatown was possible thanks to the boys and girls in the MTA.


  • #84
    sheesh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭sheesh


    So we are agreed. No more national holidays!:)


  • #85
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Looks like a few people can't even take christmas day off a year from moaning about the public service, have ye no family ye can moan at?

    Private sector employee btw, I work for a multinational with a worldwide presence, the company closes worldwide on Christmas day and Stevens Day is triple pay if you want to work it.


  • #86
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Just the usual bout of hypocrisy.

    How dare any one expect some people to work 25 December but I expect to have people working in hospitals, the ESB, etc. :rolleyes:


  • #87
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    I think a limited service on 26th December should operate however the NTA should review demand and not IE who claim to constantly review demand but always decide against it.

    This week was a lost opportunity for the roof in Pearse station instead an extra 3-6 weekends will be closed instead of using 5-6 days this week and over the next year or two.


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