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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,826 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    England girls gave it a good go, just wickets kept falling too regularly…. Huge total to chase.

    watching New Zealand vs Netherlands..

    Netherlands bowlers all over New Zealand who are only 14-1 after 5 overs…. Impressive by the Dutch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,826 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Really no cricket of an interesting / ultra top level competitive range in any format, anywhere in the world until June and the England vs New Zealand series…disappointing but suppose with everything happening in the world it’s a minor complaint…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    The IPL is ongoing, like it or loathe it that counts as top level competitive cricket. The County Championship starts today too, only first class but with them all being streamed with commentary can be a good watch. Less than ideal conditions to say the least for the first round of games in that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,826 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    The quality of the streams are excellent, pretty much broadcast quality.

    IPL I’ve always struggled with I dunno, franchise cricket, the elaborate costumes, the theatrics along the boundary…£$£$£$

    probably a bit cynical I dunno.but, the competition hasn’t gripped me as maybe I thought it would.



  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭NedsNotDead


    I can see why the IPL isnt everyones cup of tea. I've an Aussie friend who refers to it as glorified Rounders. Personally I find it entertaining. I like being able to sit back, watch a game in about 3 hours and not have to think to deeply about what's going on

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    Root has finally stepped down as England captain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    It will be interesting now to see if Broad and Anderson are allowed back. It will also be awkward as f**k for Root considering he got Strauss to do his dirty work.

    They will lump it on Stokes and put pressure on him to take it. There will be media "leaks" from Harrison to say he is the choice, to make it obvious that it was Stokes that turned it down.

    They may even go with Broad. Fan favourite, fans will get behind him for what could be a rough summer.

    The decision and process will be designed purely to keep the heat off Tom Harrison in the short term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Good for Root to be rid of it. You can't polish a turd. Next captain won't fare any better until they can get a consistent top six that average 40 plus and a quality spinner.

    Not sure about burdening a character like Stokes with it. Too injury prone and add his recent mental health problems. Broad hasn't been a regular for a few years now. Rory Burns or Buttler would have been two decent candidates. When Lees was selected it was mentioned that he captained the Lions and his county but doubt he's an option this time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭crossman47


    For me its a no brainer. They should make Morgan captain. Hes clearly the best they have for that role even if his batting at test level is weak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Just seeing the Root news, probably inevitable. Stokes the obvious choice but not sure that's the best move. Maybe Broad as a short term solution to see if someone else emerges, he's not guaranteed a place in the team but probably stands a better chance in home test matches.

    The Morgan idea is thrown around but in a team that's already struggling for runs, adding someone who hasn't played Test Cricket for nearly a decade doesn't seem like a great move.

    It seems Rob Key is getting the Managing Director role. That looks like a good move, it may also have hastened Root's decision.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Key will want Crawley captain. Bit mad he's in consideration for that job. Never struck me as an administrator type.

    The Morgan ship has sailed. After Cook was the time if that was to ever happen. A complete outsider might be an option. Name I see a lot is the Somerset captain Tom Abell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The ECBs mantra over the last number of years was to get influential people off TV and within the system.

    Strauss started commentating and the ECB got him straight back into the system because his words carry weight. They found roles for James Taylor and Trescothick as soon as they picked up mics too.

    Key has been commentating for a few years, wouldn't have been high profile when he first started but grew into an influence. They basically want him off the TV and the know he has made a lot of friends within the media, so they may not be quick to criticize him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Ed Smith was on TMS before too remember.

    Mark Nicholas wants the job as well.

    Specialists are needed not famous faces off the telly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,159 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    Stokes as captain seems a terrible idea to me. He's your star player who both bats and bowls, plays all formats and has only recently taken a chunk of time off to protect his mental health. He clearly doesn't need the burden of captaining the team on top of all that.

    Personally I'd give it to Broad for 18 months and then see where things are after that. He would seem a steady short term solution and I don't think he should have been dropped in the first place. Practically nobody other than Root, Stokes and Robinson (definitely not captain material) are guaranteed a spot in that team these days so I think appointing someone as long term captain is pointless right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,826 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    i recall reading that Joe Root in his last 17 test matches as England captain, only won a single test. Overall 27 tests won from 64 played as captain.

    candidates to replace him…

    Broad… he’s 36 in a few weeks, his goose is cooked

    Bairstow… these days just not consistent enough with the bat to guarantee a place in the team…last few innings…..

    0,22,20,29,140,15,113,41,53,5,15.

    he’s not picked for his wicket keeping, Ben Foakes has the gloves…. Bairstow is selected as a specialist batsman… but in his last 11 innings he’s only made 3 scores of any note… about a 27% conversion rate. So his place in the team is under scrutiny…not ideal captaincy material.

    in hindsight it probably has to be Stokes… retire him from 20-20… encourage him to bowl less in tests… easier said than done when your frontline seamers are constantly misfiring.

    either way there isn’t a solution you’d bet the house on…. Very uncertain and challenging times for English cricket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,159 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/apr/17/stuart-broad-distances-himself-from-interim-england-cricket-captain

    It doesn't sound like it'll be Broad anyway. As I said above I don't think it's a good idea but I imagine it'll go to Stokes now. Retiring him from T20s would probably be a good idea if he's to captain the test side but I doubt you'll get him to do that before the world cup next November.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Rob Key confirmed. The reaction from Sky (who will be covering all the tests this summer and the hundred) is "Great Appointment", "Great cricketing brain" etc.

    Now, I really enjoy Rob Key and like him but this is beyond cynical from the ECB.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I don't have a choice. But if it were up to me and me only, I would pick somebody who hates white ball cricket. That's why I don't get to pick people 😁

    I am not saying he is a bad choice. I like Rob Key, he talks a good game. What I a saying is that he was picked cynically and for the wrong reasons.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Mr steal a living is bowling pies again in the IPL, Chris Jordan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Another 6 for Rashid Khan as I type, the man is a tailender being made to look like Chris Gayle, Rob Key is a very lazy man, wouldn’t appoint him to do anything that requires effort. England has sold out to T20 cricket and the hundred, they did it later, so their test team crisis happened later than other countries but test cricket is not a priority so they can’t bitch about failing at something they are not prioritising



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Rashid Khan is great fun to watch when he gets going with the bat.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Sure is, reminds me of Warne the way he bats, every innings is a freebie, coz he can influence the game with bat or ball



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Cruel luck, a game of inches, no one states the obvious, pie chucker Jordan strikes again, every time I watch that man I wonder what does he do? A taxi driver who has no passengers is a driver, he’s a bowler who often goes for loads, hate to be paying his wages 0/58 today, and the commentator says the opposition has found a way to get over the line, 50 off his last 17 balls from Jordan was the way, last time I watched international cricket he was destroyed in a T20 series in the Caribbean, and the time before that he was bowling in South Africa, and the only bowler worse than him was also bowling for England, Tom Curran, how do they get selected?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Jordan awful (though I felt a bit sorry for him, miles away from his best, which isn't great) CSK obviously light on bowling options if they put him back in after his 3rd over.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Yeah I’m not slating the chap coz I dislike him, but I just think he’s a poor cricketer, him Tom Curran, and I never took to Jason Roy, ungainly slogger, I’d watch Kane Williamson all day, and my favourite England player is James Vince, but he’s frustrating sometimes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Out of the so called Fab Four I think Williamson has the best T20 power game when he wants to use it. He tends to want to 'soft hands' it to third man too often though. That's more about his role I guess.

    Roy has refined his batting in the last few years. Much better against spin now, he was clueless especially starting. He plays more offside shots to pace and has the scoop shots. Much prefer Bairstow to him still. That bat speed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,826 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Roy , talent there, just too many times you see the guy and it’s technique, just a rank bad shot around the corner. He as often gets himself out as others get him out.

    Vince, I think is just too far away from an international cricketer in 13 tests, 22 innings and averages 24.90 with the bat. Had his opportunity, not taken it. 3 50’s in 22 innings, guy is 31 .. test debut 6 years ago… hmmmm… spent the peak of his career underachieving, 22 innings and only an average the mid ‘20’s…. First class average is 39.31 which isn’t really all that… thing with Vince is in FC cricket when he goes big it’s usually BIG.. 240 his top score for Hampshire… but need to convert domestic form, consistency and ability into the international landscape… has his chances, didn’t do it…. Next



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭VillaMad


    So it's been widely reported this morning that Ben Stokes will become England's new Test captain. An obvious move from Rob Key but a brave one from Stokes' point of view considering his personal issues over the past couple of years and also the now added workload and pressure that captaincy will bring. The big thing for him is to reduce his cricket and concentrate on prolonging his career and for instance dropping the IPL this year is a good thing for him.

    See that Rob Key is also keen on two different coaches for red ball and white ball with both roles now being advertised. Gary Kirsten has been heavily linked with the test role this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    We interviewed twelve Ben Stokes,and in the end we decided Ben Stokes was the best of those we interviewed.

    Thankless task at present and hopefully his mental health isn't adversely effected.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,159 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    The red ball reset is to be immediately reversed then.

    I still don't get what they thought they were going to achieve by dropping these two. You have one batsman in your top 6 who you would trust to get you a score more often than not, but sure drop your two senior bowlers in the pursuit of 400+ scores.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭Augme


    Relying on a near 36 and 40 year old to save things says it all. I'd have thought this was the best time to rebuild rather then act like your in a "win now" mode. This isn't a decision that Stokes should have been allowed make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,826 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Stuart Broad has taken 26 wickets in his last 10 tests. Surely there can’t be a necessity to recall him….averages under 2 wickets per innings..

    Jimmy’s last hurrah you’d imagine you’d be looking to blood youngsters who could benefit from his leadership, experience and example.. but instead, picking a bowler like Broad, bowling around 80 mph or under, not taking wickets….what is the point ?

    Broad, experienced, a positive influence around the dressing room, which counts for SFA if you are not performing on the pitch.. he hasn’t been for a couple of years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    I agree with this, they are almost always coupled together as Broad and Anderson, but Jimmy Anderson is a class act, and Broad has looked like he’s filling in time, also for a man who once made 169 in a test against Pakistan, he’s turned into a complete rabbit, an odd 20 or 30 wouldn’t hurt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,826 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    True, Broad was flirting for a time with being an all rounder or capable lower order batsman but….


    Matt Fischer is quite an ordinary bowler. Averages 3 wickets per match for Yorkshire. Not innings, ‘match’. Ok he’s not yet 25 but when his stats at county level are that ordinary…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    No brainer to bring Jimmy and Broad back into consideration. The so called red ball reset was needed for the top seven and spinner. Seamers always tried hard often having to bowl twice in the same day. And having countless catches dropped.

    On Fisher, thought he didn't look out of place in the game he played. Was accurate at decent pace. Similarly with Mahmood, he looked good in that West Indies series also and he too with a modest first class career so far.

    Having the attributes needed for test level is more valued to selectors as stats can be skewed by the super bowler friendly conditions they tend to have at times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭VillaMad


    I haven't really watched any IPL this year. Sometimes it's an easy watch to put on but it's hard to really care, but I suppose it is primarily for the Indian market.

    Shocking that the tournament now goes on from March 26-May 29. That's over two whole months! Each team plays 14 games that could easily be played in a month as you could play plenty of T20 games in succession in quick time due to it being the shorter form, but instead they drag the absolute hell out of it. You do wonder what they will want to do with the IPL in the future as obviously it's all about making more and more money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Enjoy the IPL in the background, coverage isn't bad and most of the commentators are decent, Kevin Pietersen is terrible though. But all of them sound great (:pac:) when it's time for the Swiggy five or a nice chat about how lovely the Tata SUV thing looks.

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    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭VillaMad


    Best wishes to Graham Thorpe who has been taken seriously ill to hospital. He left the England set-up after the Ashes in the winter and accepted the Afghanistan head coach job in March.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Brendan McCullum apparently new England Test coach. Another media friendly appointment, quite like him as a player but not convinced he's a good choice.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Seems like the opposite of the Kirsten and Justin Langer types I expected they'd go with. Maybe they weren't interested in the job who knows. Seen more as a white ball specialist coach but he played over a hundred tests and was a very good test captain too. Gets great credit for the upturn in New Zealand cricket to this day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Awful sad news Andrew Symonds has died in a car crash. Just 46 years old. He was only in the news the other day after Stokes beat his record for most sixes in a county innings. Clue as to what kind of ball striker he was. One of the all time great fielders. Really distinctive with the hair, the zinc and his imposing physique. That pitch invader that time picked the wrong shoulder to run into.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Very sad, I enjoyed his comms on the Aussie T20, another proper character gone.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Often the best part of watching BBL games. The impression of Boycott he did was spot on. That's him and Warnie gone from that commentary box now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Kirsten definitely wanted it. He did an interview with talksport at the end of the ashes about his last interview for the job and basically said he was still interested, not sure it was the wisest thing to do while Silverwoid was still in the job. It might have counted against him.

    McCullum is an odd choice but he can't really do much worse than the previous regime. It's a bit of a risk but his aggressive playing style might be what the England test team needs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,826 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    ban cut as he claimed he took his old man’s heart meds accidentally…ICC believes him apparently…

    on realising that I’d have called my GP and cricket South Africa, but he didn’t… I’d be struggling with his version of events to put it diplomatically….quite a limp wristed response by the ICC….

    The ICC integrity unit with not much integrity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    England squad announced and it's nothing to get too excited about. Harry Brook and Potts only ones new and fresh. Rest all the same usuals. A lot a injured bowlers so just as well they didn't shut the door entirely on Broad and Anderson.

    No Parkinson inexplicably. Been excellent this season. He can't do much more.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭VillaMad


    Disappointing selection for me. I felt that because the English test side has been in such disarray that it was pretty much an open audition for anyone in the past month, so to see little change is poor from what was supposed to be a set of fresh eyes on the whole situation.

    I didn't think much about Alex Lees in the Caribbean but in fairness he has begun the season well at Durham and will get another opportunity. I don't think Crawley is a test opener. He likes to play his strokes too much and has only 1 fifty from 8 knocks this season so far. We know that Rob Key used to always rave about him when on commentary, so it's no huge surprise that he has been selected. A good few of the old guard in Robson, Jennings and Sibley have shown good form to push for selection in the future and even Ben Compton out of Kent has vastly outperformed Crawley.

    Big surprise to have Ollie Pope at 3. He has struggled in test cricket but his volume of runs and continued consistency means he just can't be ignored. I'm not sure about him at 3 though or what they have seen to justify that. All too often he has looked like a rabbit in the headlights at test level. He has a good bit of experience gained now and really should be kicking on.

    With Root at 4 and Stokes at 6, England are still opting for Bairstow at 5 it seems but it's nice to see Harry Brook get noticed for his incredible form. Malan has had a good start to the season and could have been picked for the number 3 spot, but it looks like his test career could now well be over. Foakes had a poor series in the West Indies but deserves a long run in the side at 7.

    With the amount of injuries amongst their bowlers, England were always likely to bring back Broad and Anderson. Ollie Robinson should be their frontline bowler this summer but it has been a disaster for him since the turn of the year.

    Matthew Potts has come from nowhere to earn his selection and should start ahead of Craig Overton, who despite his good form just isn't a Test match bowler in my opinion. Not a huge lot of depth in English bowling now. The various ones that were tipped as outsiders for the test squad such as Hannon-Dalby are just your average county bowler.

    Surprised as well that Parkinson didn't get the nod. Jack Leach bowled well at the weekend to show that he still has it, but Parkinson deserves his go as we have seen what Leach is at test cricket and Parkinson should have got a chance for an extended run in the side. He is the top wicket taker in the country, so what more do they want him to do?

    All in all, a poor selection when you consider that batting has been England's biggest problem over the past year and they pretty much picked the same players again. Bairstow and Crawley are an issue for them in that in 1 in 6 innings or so, they may score a hundred and that seems to secure their place for the next while whilst ignoring the other 5 innings of low scores.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Ollie Robinson is such a waste. Just with basic fitness he could be leading the attack and racking up wickets.

    Key personally coached Crawley and is a friend of the family. He has been shocking so far this season. I get the attraction as he is potentially a match winner if he comes off. I guess they'll say he's the one in possession of the spot after a few scores.

    Expect to see a lot of Ramprakash Mk2 comments about Pope if he continues to disappoint at test level.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,159 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    Archer out for the entire summer now, he has to be a bit of a worry for them at this stage.



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