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Cormac O hEadhra/ Saturday View RTE

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,648 ✭✭✭honeybear


    Guest repeatedly saying “right”


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jim Wilson (UUP) huffing and puffing trying to defend the indefensible bigoted bonfires in Northern Ireland at the moment.

    Why anybody wants to reclaim that province of hatred and ill-will, I can't understand.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    BBC radio Ulster briefly comes to RTE radio one.

    * Don't talk over each other or the lady lads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Jeez, listening to this today especially Coppinger.

    Solution to everything- throw money at it.

    Whose money!!!!

    Not her support base!!


    What a tube.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jeez, listening to this today especially Coppinger.

    Solution to everything- throw money at it.

    Whose money!!!!

    Not her support base!!


    What a tube.
    She gave a clear answer to that, which I believe was costed by the Department of Finance or the ESRI

    She gave two possible sources of new funding which would not affect 95% of households.

    A tax of 1% on assets worth over 1 million euro, which she has said would bring in 3.25 billion euro per annum.

    She also suggested a financial transaction tax of 0.1%, which would raise 600 million euro per annum.

    These are fairly mainstream proposals, some of which are already in existence in other EU countries with centre/ centre-right Governments. Maybe Fine Gael could find out more by making various inquiries with their party colleagues in the EPP.

    Just a suggestion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    She gave a clear answer to that, which I believe was costed by the Department of Finance or the ESRI

    She gave two possible sources of new funding which would not affect 95% of households.

    A tax of 1% on assets worth over 1 million euro, which she has said would bring in 3.25 billion euro per annum.

    She also suggested a financial transaction tax of 0.1%, which would raise 600 million euro per annum.

    These are fairly mainstream proposals, some of which are already in existence in other EU countries with centre/ centre-right Governments. Maybe Fine Gael could find out more by making various inquiries with their party colleagues in the EPP.

    Just a suggestion.

    That’s what I said... throw money at everything:confused:

    No doubt she has taken the possible consequences and unintended consequences into consideration.....:eek:


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That’s what I said... throw money at everything:confused:

    No doubt she has taken the possible consequences and unintended consequences into consideration.....:eek:

    I'm not sure there would be fatal or maybe even noticeable cost associated with a Financial Transaction Tax. If anything, it might discourage undesirable market activities, such as speculative attacks and short-selling. Some of the most stable economies in Europe have FTTs, for example Sweden, Belgium and France.

    Not a particularly crazy proposal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    I'm not sure there would be fatal or maybe even noticeable cost associated with a Financial Transaction Tax. If anything, it might discourage undesirable market activities, such as speculative attacks and short-selling. Some of the most stable economies in Europe have FTTs, for example Sweden, Belgium and France.

    Not a particularly crazy proposal.

    Yes had a point there, agree.

    However advocating tax increases on folk who already pay a very large percentage of the total tax is fraught with danger.

    I would have much more respect if she advocated a broadening of the tax base where most pay something, however small.

    But that’s just me.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes had a point there, agree.

    However advocating tax increases on folk who already pay a very large percentage of the total tax is fraught with danger.

    I would have much more respect if she advocated a broadening of the tax base where most pay something, however small.

    But that’s just me.
    I agree. If the socialists in this country had any long term vision, they'd agree too. The poorest households pay almost no direct taxes. Not only does this artificially suppress Exchequer receipts, it gives them no visible stake in society. Approximately 1 in 3 workers pays no tax, whilst about 10% of workers pay about 50% of income tax. That is not sustainable nor ideal. Firstly because everyone should pay something, secondly because there is a limit to the taxes that can be levied on higher-income earners before they cease doing additional work or cease expanding their commercial operations.

    There is no real socialism in Ireland, and Coppinger isn't one. Marx had no time for people who didn't contribute, and in fact he envisaged a society where everyone would be obliged to contribute, and would eventually feel themselves compelled to contribute.

    I don't know how socialists like Coppinger have somehow distorted this into a "someone else can pay" mentality. That's not socialism, that's shirking.

    In case anyone thinks I'm calling lower-income households shirkers, that's not it at all. All that is needed is a small contribution, maybe as low as 5% effective. That means someone on 16k part time job paying 15 euro a week. A fair ask, considering what improvements might arise in health and social-care provisions, eg housing and childcare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    I agree. If the socialists in this country had any long term vision, they'd agree too. The poorest households pay almost no direct taxes. Not only does this artificially suppress Exchequer receipts, it gives them no visible stake in society. Approximately 1 in 3 workers pays no tax, whilst about 10% of workers pay about 50% of income tax. That is not sustainable nor ideal. Firstly because everyone should pay something, secondly because there is a limit to the taxes that can be levied on higher-income earners before they cease doing additional work or cease expanding their commercial operations.

    There is no real socialism in Ireland, and Coppinger isn't one. Marx had no time for people who didn't contribute, and in fact he envisaged a society where everyone would be obliged to contribute, and would eventually feel themselves compelled to contribute.

    I don't know how socialists like Coppinger have somehow distorted this into a "someone else can pay" mentality. That's not socialism, that's shirking.

    In case anyone thinks I'm calling lower-income households shirkers, that's not it at all. All that is needed is a small contribution, maybe as low as 5% effective. That means someone on 16k part time job paying 15 euro a week. A fair ask, considering what improvements might arise in health and social-care provisions, eg housing and childcare.

    Correct and it gives people a stake in their own country, however small,not for all, as there will always be some who won’t buy in, but there’s a fair chance that quite a few would adopt a different outlook.

    Unintended consequences can occur if the so called ‘rich’ are squeezed too tightly something Coppinger doesn’t seem to worry too much about.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,403 ✭✭✭plodder


    That was an interesting discussion.
    Yes had a point there, agree.

    However advocating tax increases on folk who already pay a very large percentage of the total tax is fraught with danger.
    It always struck me that a wealth tax, which we kind of already have, but just on houses, would be more palatable if it was sold as a re-balancing measure, where you reduced the top level of income tax at the same time, so that it would be neutral for most/many people. But, the practical difficulties are something that the likes of RC don't have to deal with, eg. the claim that accountancy costs could end up being as much as the tax payable itself for many people, or that people will move financial assets offshore to escape the tax.
    I would have much more respect if she advocated a broadening of the tax base where most pay something, however small.
    Would agree with that completely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    They are going on again on this show about the HSE and trollies and beds and stuff.

    When will those in power realise this will never, repeat never, change ,unless the issue is de polititicised..

    Has to be tackled on an all party basis, then they can take on the vested interests and stop trying to blame each other while the vested interests sit back laughing.

    How long has this ball of shyte going on.....you now have Chambers and Doherty slugging it out on RTE and the unions and vested interests are laughing.....

    Who is in fuhhherking charge here......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭EmptyTree


    Normally I quite enjoy Cormac, but today's show is so full of aggressive shock tactic soundbite line of questioning it really is ridiculous. Some very poor stuff today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Cormac is another insufferable RTE leftie who's default position is to tie crime to "disadvantage", fifty years ago when far more people were poor, there was no widespread culture of delinquency like today.let alone gangland feuds across the land

    We have been listening to the left blathering about inequality and other crap for decades, why have these people been allowed frame discourse when their record is so abysmal?

    Our soft justice system is the sole cause of the country's problem with violence, thuggery and a growing culture of delinquency


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Cormac is another insufferable RTE leftie who's default position is to tie crime to "disadvantage", fifty years ago when far more people were poor, there was no widespread culture of delinquency like today.let alone gangland feuds across the land

    We have been listening to the left blathering about inequality and other crap for decades, why have these people been allowed frame discourse when their record is so abysmal?

    Our soft justice system is the sole cause of the country's problem with violence, thuggery and a growing culture of delinquency

    Im afraid you are correct ,the left need to understand that the ‘generic response’ to not doing well is to resort to crime.

    Should encourage folk to work for themselves and less of the entitlement culture.

    Need to ask folk why they are in the positions they are in....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Im afraid you are correct ,the left need to understand that the ‘generic response’ to not doing well is to resort to crime.

    Should encourage folk to work for themselves and less of the entitlement culture.

    Need to ask folk why they are in the positions they are in....

    the worst part is the staggering arrogance , the left still demand that their solutions are the best and must be implemented

    cormac o headrha admonished FG for implementing austerity post 2011 , as if to unequivocally conclude that this gangland crime epedemic can be directly traced to that

    as einstein said

    " doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result is the definition of madness "


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,008 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    "Your interruptions are a wee bit desperate, Pascal [Donohoe]"
    - Pearse Doherty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,784 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    zell12 wrote: »
    "Your interruptions are a wee bit desperate, Pascal [Donohoe]"
    - Pearse Doherty

    Nice line.

    Looking more and more likely he's going to be on the other side of the whitewash and do a bit more than sniping.

    Interesting times ahead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,008 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Just heard the FGer Helen McEntee repeating the slogan 'Up the RA' there :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭touts


    Mick Barry already calling for people to take to the streets to demand socialist government.

    Strangely I don't remember the socialists winning the election. But hey democracy has never been the strong point of socialists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    touts wrote:
    Strangely I don't remember the socialists winning the election. But hey democracy has never been the strong point of socialists.


    I don’t think other ideologies have much interest in democracy either


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    touts wrote: »
    Mick Barry already calling for people to take to the streets to demand socialist government.

    Strangely I don't remember the socialists winning the election. But hey democracy has never been the strong point of socialists.

    Barry just wants anarchy as a texter to the programme said.

    Barely scraped in and he’s now telling us how to run (ruin) the country.

    Complete useless load of negativity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    I have to say Helen McEntee was excellent on today’s show, put the woman who doesn’t have to breathe, Louise O ‘Reilly, firmly in her box.

    For once she couldn’t talk over everyone, well done Helen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    touts wrote: »
    Mick Barry already calling for people to take to the streets to demand socialist government.

    Strangely I don't remember the socialists winning the election. But hey democracy has never been the strong point of socialists.

    what is a member of a party with 3% even doing on the panel ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    I have to say Helen McEntee was excellent on today’s show, put the woman who doesn’t have to breathe, Louise O ‘Reilly, firmly in her box.

    For once she couldn’t talk over everyone, well done Helen.

    ive always assumed that those who vote for louise o reilly are deaf ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,362 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Mick Barry not contributing anything of any note to the show yesterday and I never knew he was in the Labour Party and was chucked out of it. It's telling when even Louise O Reilly was trying to avoid being lumped together with his protest against the democratic will of the people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭generalgerry


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    ive always assumed that those who vote for louise o reilly are deaf ?

    I was actually very surprised when I saw her election poster, her with the most welcoming and friendly of smiles on her face. A complete contrast, I thought, to the sour face that I have seen for the last four years as she bitches and moans about everything. Rather like Ruth Coppinger.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Cullinane getting a new one torn out for himself today.

    Getting pulled out from under their slates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    That idiot Shorthall is bleating about a vote for change?

    News for you. FF FG SF. Neck and neck.

    That’s not a vote for change.

    Shorthall being clattered by FG and FF .... being pulled out from under her slate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,784 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    That idiot Shorthall is bleating about a vote for change?

    News for you. FF FG SF. Neck and neck.

    That’s not a vote for change.

    Shorthall being clattered by FG and FF .... being pulled out from under her slate.
    Shocking panel all round today.
    Simon Harris did the smart thing and kept his contributions to a minimum.

    That high pitched "I'm an academic" woman was particularly annoying.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Shocking panel all round today.
    Simon Harris did the smart thing and kept his contributions to a minimum.

    That high pitched "I'm an academic" woman was particularly annoying.

    Absolutely, going top note very early and screeching about being an ‘academic’

    I’d keep that qual. on the downlow if I was her.


    Frikken waster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,362 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Shocking panel all round today.
    Simon Harris did the smart thing and kept his contributions to a minimum.

    That high pitched "I'm an academic" woman was particularly annoying.

    I don't know what in the name of jaysus she was going on about when she was talking about drew Harris but it sounded like Cormac get a word from the producer to clarify the point raised. She also didn't sound as non partisan as she claimed to be either.

    If the soc dems don't want to be part of a potential FF FG coalition(but not ruling out being in government) that's fair enough, but you can't then turn around and say that two of the three largest parties need to form a government as you've limited your options then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    I hear the woman who doesn’t have to breathe in full flow on Saturday view.

    Just starts and keeps going until she is stopped......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Fair play to Dr Motherway, RTE were hammering the PPE issue all along and poor Cormac seemed almost disappointed when told there wasn’t a shortage in Limerick.

    Now not saying that Cormac was trying to up the ante,but RTE seem to have latched on to this issue on every program and seem to be flogging it to death.

    Again well done the Doctor, for handling things calmly and clearly.

    This lady is top class.

    Tone it down RTE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Fair play to Dr Motherway, RTE were hammering the PPE issue all along and poor Cormac seemed almost disappointed when told there wasn’t a shortage in Limerick.

    Now not saying that Cormac was trying to up the ante,but RTE seem to have latched on to this issue on every program and seem to be flogging it to death.

    Again well done the Doctor, for handling things calmly and clearly.

    This lady is top class.

    Tone it down RTE.

    what is Cormac to do when " homelessness " outrage is on the back burner ?

    he,s the jonathan healy of RTE


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    He heh won the bet in casa Brenno.

    Louise had to be stopped on her first breathless foray into the debate by Cormac.

    She leaves no space between sentences...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Heh heh

    1-0

    Louise...

    2-0. Talked down two to get in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭jippo nolan


    Jim “soft landing” Power shouldn’t be within a mile of the studio!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Jim “soft landing” Power shouldn’t be within a mile of the studio!

    He was careful to be a vague as possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Hmmm..... Cullinane the ‘smash the Free State bastards’ and ‘up the Ra, or something to that effect lad from SF on today with Cormac.

    Expected to hear him challenged robustly on those kind of comments....not a dickie bird. Nowt.

    Not a mention of that that I heard anyway.

    Very strange I thought,given that other parties have every word parsed and analysed.

    Uhmmm..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Heh heh had to laugh a Pearse Doherty on the show today at the number of times he professed to be ‘clear’ on issues!

    He was about as clear as a Mississippi bayou on anything �� .

    Next time you hear him on the radio check the number of times he claims to be ‘clear’ on stuff.

    Tell ‘em the Brenner sent ya


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭Cole


    Michael McNamara...a couple of valid points re. the new face coverings legislation...but otherwise infuriating.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Cole wrote: »
    Michael McNamara...a couple of valid points re. the new face coverings legislation...but otherwise infuriating.

    What were they,caller.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cole wrote: »
    Michael McNamara...a couple of valid points re. the new face coverings legislation...but otherwise infuriating.

    I had to laugh at Michael McNamara admitting that while he doesn't often take public transport, he does sometimes 'look at the buses' passing Merrion Square, to survey how many people are wearing masks.

    Overall though, he's one of the good guys. His heart is always in the right place, and he's got a healthy disrespect for authority without being far-left or engaging in Student Union type politics. A bit like our host, O hEadhra, now that I think of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭Cole


    What were they,caller.

    Publishing the regulations prior to them coming into force and having a clear definition of what a face covering is. Valid points because it might shut down some of the lame excuses coming from the numpties who are well able to wear a face covering but just look for a reason not to. But McNamara came across as someone making the points as an excuse not to comply.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,708 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Overall though, he's one of the good guys. His heart is always in the right place, and he's got a healthy disrespect for authority without being far-left or engaging in Student Union type politics. A bit like our host, O hEadhra, now that I think of it.

    One of the good guys ? Everyone knows the principals behind wearing a mask but Michael Mc Namara wants to find loopholes in the rules - whats happened to you protect me and I protect you ?
    Michael then went on promoting different rules for Clare compared to the rest of the country and declaring that the Govt is treating the population like children - populist and opportunistic .


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Infoanon wrote: »
    One of the good guys ? Everyone knows the principals behind wearing a mask
    We know the principles offered by the health authorities, but there's a principle in the criminal law that you should offer people clarity about what will, or will not, land them in prison.

    I know that's an extreme possibility, but nevertheless, there should be legal clarity.

    It's a bit like when the lockdown happened, the Government announced it on a Friday evening, but didn't bother publishing the law until the following week. That's just not on -- people weren't clear for a long time on whether they were essential workers or not, and stressed about meeting checkpoints and the like, on their way to work. I even heard of people working in homeless services being worried about handing out sleeping bags, because they were concerned it might have become illegal to be homeless. That's the level of shortage of information there was.
    We were temporarily relocating to another part of Ireland at the time, knowing the lockdown was coming, and there was absolutely no information whether this was legal or not.

    It's unnecessary... just print the damn regulations so we have the information. They've been planning this for ages, I'm sure -- what possible argument is there against publishing the law?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,708 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    We know the principles offered by the health authorities, but there's a principle in the criminal law that you should offer people clarity about what will, or will not, land them in prison.

    I know that's an extreme possibility, but nevertheless, there should be legal clarity.

    It's a bit like when the lockdown happened, the Government announced it on a Friday evening, but didn't bother publishing the law until the following week. That's just not on -- people weren't clear for a long time on whether they were essential workers or not, and stressed about meeting checkpoints and the like, on their way to work. I even heard of people working in homeless services being worried about handing out sleeping bags, because they were concerned it might have become illegal to be homeless. That's the level of shortage of information there was.
    We were temporarily relocating to another part of Ireland at the time, knowing the lockdown was coming, and there was absolutely no information whether this was legal or not.

    It's unnecessary... just print the damn regulations so we have the information. They've been planning this for ages, I'm sure -- what possible argument is there against publishing the law?

    Michael Mc Namara issue was with there being a law in the first place - his arguing that legislation only signed last night has not been published a few hours later (on a Saturday ) is bordering on a farcical.

    Cormac could have called him out on it though so farcical was his argument that it merited it no response.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,731 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Infoanon wrote: »
    Michael Mc Namara issue was with there being a law in the first place - his arguing that legislation only signed last night has not been published a few hours later (on a Saturday ) is bordering on a farcical.

    Cormac could have called him out on it though so farcical was his argument that it merited it no response.

    Have to agree there, I.

    For fohherke sake every one has seen a mask by now, just wear the fcuking thing on public transport, for your own sake and others.
    Common sense, no issues, stop playing to the frikken gallery.

    You are fooling nobody, Michael, only the tossers who want to be awkward and sock it to the man.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,784 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Cormac now MIA as well as Late Debate.


    Not good enough RTE.


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