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Clerical Officer 2020

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  • #652
    nhg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭nhg


    xxsammyxx085 wrote: »
    Did anyone notice that the booklet says there wont be anyone used off this panel after May 2021?

    Yes, I saw that as well.


  • #653
    Nekarsulm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Ya you have enough cynicism built up to know that these campaigns are manly run to give full timers work to do and the stages have no basis in reality.

    Dunno where you've worked, but TCO 's in our building are eagerly anticipated.
    The 3 summer months sees a number of EO's and CO's and a couple of HEO's taking Term Time, and the TCO's are a great help on keeping on top of stuff.
    The 3 we had last summer were great, fast learners, sensible and well able to get on with things.
    They were missed when they went.
    One has got in full time as a CO in another county, one got a job offer in their Degree field, and one went back to teaching primary in another country in September.
    Unless you work in Chapter House, the running of these comps has no effect on your work load ...

    And what matter if someone "moves sideways"?
    Up, down, sideways or retire , there's a gap somewhere must be filled.


  • #654
    job seeker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭job seeker


    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Dunno where you've worked, but TCO 's in our building are eagerly anticipated.
    The 3 summer months sees a number of EO's and CO's and a couple of HEO's taking Term Time, and the TCO's are a great help on keeping on top of stuff.
    The 3 we had last summer were great, fast learners, sensible and well able to get on with things.
    They were missed when they went.
    One has got in full time as a CO in another county, one got a job offer in their Degree field, and one went back to teaching primary in another country in September.
    Unless you work in Chapter House, the running of these comps has no effect on your work load ...

    And what matter if someone "moves sideways"?
    Up, down, sideways or retire , there's a gap somewhere must be filled.

    I never knew that TCO’s were kept on. That’s pretty interesting! That’s the reason I never applied for that competition.


  • #655
    Nigel Fairservice
    Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    job seeker wrote: »
    I never knew that TCO’s were kept on. That’s pretty interesting! That’s the reason I never applied for that competition.

    Keep in mind that TCO would have to have gone through the permanent competition for that to happen as well. A TCO can't be kept indefinitely on a TCO contract.


  • #656
    ladz
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭ladz


    job seeker wrote: »
    I never knew that TCO’s were kept on. That’s pretty interesting! That’s the reason I never applied for that competition.

    They're not just kept on, he/she must have also been on a permanent competition panel & got called.


  • #657
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Augme wrote: »
    Clerical officer competitions have been running for the last 6 years. Had plenty of chances to become a clerical officer. Instead you wait until you job goes tits up and then whinge when you aren't give a job straight away. Please.

    No lad Ive been a TCO for a number of years now and Im just disillusioned with the scratch card process especially when I see incompetent full timers that would have gone through the same processes.


  • #658
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Dunno where you've worked, but TCO 's in our building are eagerly anticipated.
    The 3 summer months sees a number of EO's and CO's and a couple of HEO's taking Term Time, and the TCO's are a great help on keeping on top of stuff.
    The 3 we had last summer were great, fast learners, sensible and well able to get on with things.
    They were missed when they went.
    One has got in full time as a CO in another county, one got a job offer in their Degree field, and one went back to teaching primary in another country in September.
    Unless you work in Chapter House, the running of these comps has no effect on your work load ...

    And what matter if someone "moves sideways"?
    Up, down, sideways or retire , there's a gap somewhere must be filled.


    Exactly, Chapter house


  • #659
    Trampus
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭Trampus


    Hi all. Well done to everyone who has placed. O got order of merit of 9 for Louth. I know they have two large offices. Between Covid and the fact that things move fairly slowly in the Civil Service, do you think I will have to wait long for an interview (if I get called at all 😬😬)


  • #660
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Dunno where you've worked, but TCO 's in our building are eagerly anticipated.
    The 3 summer months sees a number of EO's and CO's and a couple of HEO's taking Term Time, and the TCO's are a great help on keeping on top of stuff.
    The 3 we had last summer were great, fast learners, sensible and well able to get on with things.
    They were missed when they went.
    One has got in full time as a CO in another county, one got a job offer in their Degree field, and one went back to teaching primary in another country in September.
    Unless you work in Chapter House, the running of these comps has no effect on your work load ...

    And what matter if someone "moves sideways"?
    Up, down, sideways or retire , there's a gap somewhere must be filled.

    I’ve gotten many signatures on my going away cards but the fact that I’ve proven myself across many different departments means nothing when met be this process.


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  • #661
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Nekarsulm wrote: »
    Dunno where you've worked, but TCO 's in our building are eagerly anticipated.
    The 3 summer months sees a number of EO's and CO's and a couple of HEO's taking Term Time, and the TCO's are a great help on keeping on top of stuff.
    The 3 we had last summer were great, fast learners, sensible and well able to get on with things.
    They were missed when they went.
    One has got in full time as a CO in another county, one got a job offer in their Degree field, and one went back to teaching primary in another country in September.
    Unless you work in Chapter House, the running of these comps has no effect on your work load ...

    And what matter if someone "moves sideways"?
    Up, down, sideways or retire , there's a gap somewhere must be filled.

    Listen I’ve gotten many signatures on my going away cards I’m not commenting about people in departments but the fact that I’ve proven myself across many different departments means nothing when met be this process ie the competition which to me is as valid to real life in the civil service as a sketch of a stick man on the back of a cigarette pack.


  • #662
    Icbaby
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭Icbaby


    Well done to everyone, it’s a waiting game. I applied in 2016, got called for interview in April 18(panel ended 2 people before I got called in sept 18 - ended at 23 and I was 25) I was devastated. Had applied in 2018 also (before my expiry and swearing I was never putting myself through it again), and I started in 2020. It’s such a long process and a hard choice (I had a great job with €10k plus on salary) but I’m glad I did it. People are lovely, Work is work and the work/life balance is easily the best part.
    Like others said use the STAR technique for interviews, be prepared and relate questions to yourself and not what you think they want to hear. As you can imagine they interview a lot of people they know what they want so be honest and always have a question for them when they ask at the end, any question you would like to ask?
    And just remember you wonder why your OOM is really high etc, this process is different to other times so maybe the interview process will grade different too, who knows! Buts be prepared, and as someone else said put the job to the back of your mind till called because it takes so long.
    Best of luck to ye all x


  • #663
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    No lad Ive been a TCO for a number of years now and Im just disillusioned with the scratch card process especially when I see incompetent full timers that would have gone through the same processes.
    Posting personal abuse and editing it is still subject to mod action

    Dont post in this thread again


  • #664
    Guffy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,180 ✭✭✭Guffy


    Does anyone know if the interview actually changes the OOM or is it just pass/fail?


  • #665
    SB1982
    Registered Users Posts: 189 ✭✭SB1982


    I was top 5 for both my choices in the last campaign and it still took 10 months from application date to actually starting my job...(and one of my choices is a very swift moving county). it’s a very long process. Your oom will change again after interview (at least that’s how it happened last time).


  • #666
    SB1982
    Registered Users Posts: 189 ✭✭SB1982


    Guffy wrote: »
    Does anyone know if the interview actually changes the OOM or is it just pass/fail?

    In the last campaign your OOM changed after interview. You were graded for each of the 4 competencies. Your received OOM after online exam, that changed after exam in chapter house and changed again after interview.


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  • #667
    The Wandering Man
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭The Wandering Man


    Guffy wrote: »
    Does anyone know if the interview actually changes the OOM or is it just pass/fail?

    Both. You have to achieve pass standard in all four competencies and those who pass are then placed on an OOM for placement.


  • #668
    ge_ch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭ge_ch


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    I’ve gotten many signatures on my going away cards but the fact that I’ve proven myself across many different departments means nothing when met be this process.

    Agree. A friend of mine is in her TCO contract since sept 2018, excellent at her job, got a few extensions and her OOM in this competition is over 700. Know lot of other people like that and they’re OOM is even worse 800-1000. Worked with some that were useless at their job, never worked in the department but placed in the top 20.


  • #669
    beppygal
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭beppygal


    I applied for the 2018 permanent CO competition. My OOM was 147 for Co. Roscommon, then after the interview (which I didn't get until December 2019) I was number 4. Now bear in mind we also had the in house aptitude tests (November 2019) which probably eliminated a lot. I started my permanent contract on the 24th of February this year. Just to give some sort of a timeframe.

    Will be interesting to see if the lack of in house aptitude tests will speed up or slow down the progression on OOM.
    Good luck everyone!


  • #670
    mayo londoner
    Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭mayo londoner


    But can your OOM go down? So say I'm 50th at the moment, could I go down to 100th after interview?


  • #671
    beppygal
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭beppygal


    beppygal wrote: »
    I applied for the 2018 permanent CO competition. My OOM was 147 for Co. Roscommon, then after the interview (which I didn't get until December 2019) I was number 4. Now bear in mind we also had the in house aptitude tests (November 2019) which probably eliminated a lot. I started my permanent contract on the 24th of February this year. Just to give some sort of a timeframe.

    Will be interesting to see if the lack of in house aptitude tests will speed up or slow down the progression on OOM.
    Good luck everyone!

    Just looked back on my Publicjobs messages and my OOM after stage 1 (online tests) was 147 and after the in house aptitude tests went down to 4. So it'll be interesting to see if no in house aptitude tests if the OOM will go down after interview instead, I'd say so.


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  • #672
    CivilCybil
    Registered Users Posts: 186 ✭✭CivilCybil


    mayo londoner wrote: »
    But can your OOM go down? So say I'm 50th at the moment, could I go down to 100th after interview?

    Yes it can.
    I went from top 5 after online tests to top 10 after interview. Only dropped a few places but yeah it happens


  • #673
    murphy15
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭murphy15


    Rubenski wrote: »
    Hi guys. I got early 60s for Kerry. First time doing this so am not too sure if I should be optimistic or not, especially since the panel is only until May 2021 this time.

    Can I ask if my chances look good (somewhat!!)?? Pretty nervous about this whole thing.

    Thanks.

    Yes that's a great score well done to you ! lots of county town like Portlaoise Castlebar Killarney have big government departments.. so there should be a lot of jobs coming up


  • #674
    Guffy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,180 ✭✭✭Guffy


    The Wandering Man wrote: »


    Both. You have to achieve pass standard in all four competencies and those who pass are then placed on an OOM for placement.

    And is that new oom placement restricted within the batch in which your interviewed. Eg, if the initially interview a 100 in galway and you start at 1, pass the interview and 30 fail. Is the lowest number you can then be 70 or can you drop further when the second batch are interviewed further down the line?


  • #675
    aoifedu
    Registered Users Posts: 7 ✭aoifedu


    Is anyone here from any Laois departments that could have an insight into whether TCO’s are likely to be taken on this summer or not?


  • #676
    CivilCybil
    Registered Users Posts: 186 ✭✭CivilCybil


    Guffy wrote: »
    And is that new oom placement restricted within the batch in which your interviewed. Eg, if the initially interview a 100 in galway and you start at 1, pass the interview and 30 fail. Is the lowest number you can then be 70 or can you drop further when the second batch are interviewed further down the line?

    From previous campaigns if you are first called for interview and pass you're in batch 1.1
    Your OOM is for this batch and everyone in this batch has to be placed before anyone from other batches is placed.
    So nobody from subsequent interviews can "overtake" you in the OOM no matter how highly their score in the interview


  • #677
    ge_ch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 162 ✭✭ge_ch


    CivilCybil wrote: »
    From previous campaigns if you are first called for interview and pass you're in batch 1.1
    Your OOM is for this batch and everyone in this batch has to be placed before anyone from other batches is placed.
    So nobody from subsequent interviews can "overtake" you in the OOM no matter how highly their score in the interview

    How many is in a batch?


  • #678
    CivilCybil
    Registered Users Posts: 186 ✭✭CivilCybil


    ge_ch wrote: »
    How many is in a batch?

    No idea sorry
    I'd imagine it depends on the number of vacancies they expect/that arise


  • #679
    Conall Cernach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    Linking123! wrote: »
    Well I hope you get something on co 2018 what counties do you have? I was 300+ in co 2018 Louth/ Meath and waiting 2 years and a very slim chance getting it lol. Meath panel haven't moved for at least 2 months. So placed 120+ this time could potentially be placed in 1 year based on panel 2018?!
    I got this message this morning:
    "Please be advised that the Clerical Officer in the Civil Service 2018 (Competition ID: 18119606) has now closed.


    No further appointments will be made from this panel from 31st May 2020, therefore, no further Stage 2 - Supervised Tests or Stage 3 - Interviews will be taking place."


    It's very disheartening. I only did the test in Chapter House in November and was ranked 1 in OOM for batch 2. What was the point?


  • #680
    Green farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭Green farmer


    CivilCybil wrote: »
    No idea sorry
    I'd imagine it depends on the number of vacancies they expect/that arise

    Wonder would they do it in thirds ?or are the numbers too big


  • #681
    Sandoe1989
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭Sandoe1989


    Hi everyone
    first time applying I finished with a pretty good score in top category for Dublin but my order of merit is still around 1100 , could someone explain if this is good or bad for Dublin ? I’ve heard some depts here like revenue alone hire hundreds each year but not so sure on how true that is ! Sorry if this has been asked previously just looking for info as I’ve never applied for anything like this before.


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  • #682
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Sandoe1989 wrote: »
    Hi everyone
    first time applying I finished with a pretty good score in top category for Dublin but my order of merit is still around 1100 , could someone explain if this is good or bad for Dublin ? I’ve heard some depts here like revenue alone hire hundreds each year but not so sure on how true that is ! Sorry if this has been asked previously just looking for info as I’ve never applied for anything like this before.


    Discussed above. Last few competitions got beyond 1100 easily. This competition is a complete unknown with the current economic uncertainty. It's also only a year long for reasons best known to PAS.


  • #683
    Sandoe1989
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭Sandoe1989


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Discussed above. Last few competitions got beyond 1100 easily. This competition is a complete unknown with the current economic uncertainty. It's also only a year long for reasons best known to PAS.

    Thanks a million , suppose it’s just a waiting game now but hopefully with it only being a year they speed up the process but again that’s gonna be difficult with everything going on at the moment !


  • #684
    Dublintigger
    Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Dublintigger


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Discussed above. Last few competitions got beyond 1100 easily. This competition is a complete unknown with the current economic uncertainty. It's also only a year long for reasons best known to PAS.


    I wonder why only a year?


  • #685
    DarkJ
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭DarkJ


    Does anyone have any idea how the competencies are graded? As in, how can you fail one if everybody's answer/experience is different? I've mostly been self employed and worked abroad for a number of years (interviews were not competency based) and I'm not sure how to even come up with answers regarding the competencies. Thanks for any guidance. Good luck to everyone.


  • #686
    xxsammyxx085
    Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭xxsammyxx085


    OOM 35 for my chosen County and even I'm nervous of not being called within the year for interview


  • #687
    tinofapples
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,963 ✭✭✭tinofapples


    beppygal wrote: »
    I applied for the 2018 permanent CO competition. My OOM was 147 for Co. Roscommon, then after the interview (which I didn't get until December 2019) I was number 4. Now bear in mind we also had the in house aptitude tests (November 2019) which probably eliminated a lot. I started my permanent contract on the 24th of February this year. Just to give some sort of a timeframe.

    Will be interesting to see if the lack of in house aptitude tests will speed up or slow down the progression on OOM.
    Good luck everyone!

    4th is pretty much all they placed of the Ros 18 panel ? Might as well forget about my 10th place so !! Especially given this panel seems to have a shorter lifespan.


  • #688
    claregal1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭claregal1


    DarkJ wrote: »
    Does anyone have any idea how the competencies are graded? As in, how can you fail one if everybody's answer/experience is different? I've mostly been self employed and worked abroad for a number of years (interviews were not competency based) and I'm not sure how to even come up with answers regarding the competencies. Thanks for any guidance. Good luck to everyone.
    Hi- in the info booklet in the email with your results three is a list of competencies they will ask on during the interview . Think its 4 or 5 . Have an example or two for each of those . Answer using the Star technique. Situation , task , Action, and result.
    Not sure how these interviews will be graded , but the last one I did was each compencies was marked out of 100 with 40 needed in each one to pass. Hope this helps .


  • #689
    thenightman
    Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭thenightman


    The fact that they are interviewing now based on the at home competency test alone, and you don't have to repeat it in person to prove it was you that actually did the test is a bit of a crock. The CO's we've been assigned since that change have been noticeably of a poorer standard. We got one person who could barely log on to their own computer for example, no way in hell they did their own competency exam.

    Takes far longer for other staff to train staff like these, which has a knock on effect for busy offices as you end up spending more time explaining a simple concept to them repeatedly, and then eventually just fixing their mistakes altogether when it's clear they don't want to or won't be able to work autonomously. Typical civil service though, ends up costing more time in the long run than it would to run in person competencies at the start.


  • #690
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    thenightman wrote: »
    The fact that they are interviewing now based on the at home competency test alone, and you don't have to repeat it in person to prove it was you that actually did the test is a bit of a crock. The CO's we've been assigned since that change have been noticeably of a poorer standard. We got one person who could barely log on to their own computer for example, no way in hell they did their own competency exam.

    The COs you've been getting up till now have all been interviewed in person, and sat tests in Chapter House. The panel like that closed today. But it was two years old, so they've been the worst of the good-enough from the last campaign.

    Testing and interviews have only changed from this campaign onwards. No one has been appointed from it yet.


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  • #691
    furrybones
    Registered Users Posts: 934 ✭✭✭furrybones


    thenightman wrote: »
    The fact that they are interviewing now based on the at home competency test alone, and you don't have to repeat it in person to prove it was you that actually did the test is a bit of a crock. The CO's we've been assigned since that change have been noticeably of a poorer standard. We got one person who could barely log on to their own computer for example, no way in hell they did their own competency exam.

    Takes far longer for other staff to train staff like these, which has a knock on effect for busy offices as you end up spending more time explaining a simple concept to them repeatedly, and then eventually just fixing their mistakes altogether when it's clear they don't want to or won't be able to work autonomously. Typical civil service though, ends up costing more time in the long run than it would to run in person competencies at the start.

    From experience, a low standard of competency is expected from permanent staff. In my first TCO position I was constantly asked questions such as "Can you type?", "Do you know how to send an email?", "Do you know how to save that to the drive?" Having previously worked (for almost 2 years) as admin assistant I found it very frustrating that I wasn't given more to do, due to the assumption was that i knew nothing.

    "Success is not final, failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts"



  • #692
    HungrySeagull
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭HungrySeagull


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    The COs you've been getting up till now have all been interviewed in person, and sat tests in Chapter House. The panel like that closed today. But it was two years old, so they've been the worst of the good-enough from the last campaign.

    Testing and interviews have only changed from this campaign onwards. No one has been appointed from it yet.

    'Worst of the good enough'?

    I have just missed out on the 2018 campaign by about 10 people. This time around I ranked top 100 for Dublin and top 30 for Kildare. So I guess I was only 'good enough' for the last campaign but am top tier for this campaign.


  • #693
    Linking123!
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭Linking123!


    HungrySeagull wrote: »
    'Worst of the good enough'?

    I have just missed out on the 2018 campaign by about 10 people. This time around I ranked top 100 for Dublin and top 30 for Kildare. So I guess I was only 'good enough' for the last campaign but am top tier for this campaign.

    Did you do the interview?


  • #694
    jaffa20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,551 ✭✭✭jaffa20


    HungrySeagull wrote: »
    'Worst of the good enough'?

    I have just missed out on the 2018 campaign by about 10 people. This time around I ranked top 100 for Dublin and top 30 for Kildare. So I guess I was only 'good enough' for the last campaign but am top tier for this campaign.

    That was unlucky but it's looking good for 2020 campaign for you. Do you know how many they took on in Kildare for 2018? I guess could be less this time. My OOM is not as good as yours but i am in the top 200 so hoping for interview at least.


  • #695
    HungrySeagull
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭HungrySeagull


    Linking123! wrote: »
    Did you do the interview?

    For the 2018 campaign? Yes, last September.


  • #696
    HungrySeagull
    Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭HungrySeagull


    jaffa20 wrote: »
    That was unlucky but it's looking good for 2020 campaign for you. Do you know how many they took on in Kildare for 2018? I guess could be less this time. My OOM is not as good as yours but i am in the top 200 so hoping for interview at least.

    They only got about half way through batch 2.2. I know there was 8 people in batch 1.4 and then only 5 in 2.1. There was 21 in batch 2.2. To the best of my knowledge 50-60?

    I was just outside the top 200 last time but it took a year for me to be called for stage 2.


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  • #697
    Linking123!
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭Linking123!


    HungrySeagull wrote: »
    For the 2018 campaign? Yes, last September.
    I never got an email to say panel has expired, really sucks.


  • #698
    DarkJ
    Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭DarkJ


    claregal1 wrote: »
    Hi- in the info booklet in the email with your results three is a list of competencies they will ask on during the interview . Think its 4 or 5 . Have an example or two for each of those . Answer using the Star technique. Situation , task , Action, and result.
    Not sure how these interviews will be graded , but the last one I did was each compencies was marked out of 100 with 40 needed in each one to pass. Hope this helps .

    Thanks for your help. Best of luck to ya.


  • #699
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,084 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    HungrySeagull wrote: »
    'Worst of the good enough'?

    I have just missed out on the 2018 campaign by about 10 people. This time around I ranked top 100 for Dublin and top 30 for Kildare. So I guess I was only 'good enough' for the last campaign but am top tier for this campaign.

    Congratulations on your improvement!

    Seriously ... see the earlier post about the people they've been appointed lately.

    Obviously (since you're here and posting in coherent sentences!) you're not like that. But after a panel has been active for two years, some of the people on it are.


  • #700
    job seeker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭job seeker


    HungrySeagull wrote: »
    'Worst of the good enough'?

    I have just missed out on the 2018 campaign by about 10 people. This time around I ranked top 100 for Dublin and top 30 for Kildare. So I guess I was only 'good enough' for the last campaign but am top tier for this campaign.

    Congratulations on your oom this time round! I have gotten the same results the last 3 campaigns. I don’t even know what they want anymore. I give up! :pac:


  • #701
    furrybones
    Registered Users Posts: 934 ✭✭✭furrybones


    Mrs OBumble wrote: »
    Congratulations on your improvement!

    Seriously ... see the earlier post about the people they've been appointed lately.

    Obviously (since you're here and posting in coherent sentences!) you're not like that. But after a panel has been active for two years, some of the people on it are.

    Maybe that is why this panel will only be live for one year.

    "Success is not final, failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts"



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