Pet cow? ?

Mules · 08-10-2020 10:04pm #1

I've been keeping an eye on a small herd of bullocks for someone. I've got a liking for one of them. She's friendly and lets me pat her nose. I don't fancy her heading off to the abattoir.

Would it be a bit mad to have a cow as a pet? The owner is grand with it.
Are they hassle to look after? I have land and a fair few horses but I don't know anything about cattle. I've a few questions.

Other than grazing and water what else do they need?

Do you need to worm and vaccinate them?

Do they need to have their hooves trimmed?

Do they need other cows for company or would a horse do?

Would I need a cattle crush?

Would I need to test for tb if the animal never left the property or interacted with another herd?

Will a few trees do them for shelter in winter or do they need to be inside?
Is there anything else I should know?:D

Base price · 08-10-2020 11:27pm

Open the link below and click on bullet point 3. This will give you an idea of DAFM's legal requirements for keeping cattle.
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/animalhealthwelfare/animalwelfare/registrationofpremisesanimals/
Edit to add: horses have a tendency to chase cattle particularly if they are not used to them and/or there is a single individual.

amens · 09-10-2020 7:51am

Mules wrote: »

I've been keeping an eye on a small herd of bullocks for someone. I've got a liking for one of them. She's friendly and lets me pat her nose. I don't fancy her heading off to the abattoir.

Would it be a bit mad to have a cow as a pet? The owner is grand with it.
Are they hassle to look after? I have land and a fair few horses but I don't know anything about cattle. I've a few questions.
Other than grazing and water what else do they need?
Do you need to worm and vaccinate them?
Do they need to have their hooves trimmed?
Do they need other cows for company or would a horse do?
Would I need a cattle crush?
Would I need to test for tb if the animal never left the property or interacted with another herd?
Will a few trees do them for shelter in winter or do they need to be inside?
Is there anything else I should know?:D

Is the bullock trans? I think you'd be mad of have any animal as a pet. They are expensive to keep. You'll likely need to dose for fluke and worms at the very least. Sooner or later he/she will have some health issue and a vet can't examine if the animal can't be restrained. Same goes for annual tb test. I'd say you'd need at least two bovines together anyway as they need company of their own kind. So yes, you would be mad.

Mules · 09-10-2020 9:14am

amens wrote: »

Is the bullock trans? I think you'd be mad of have any animal as a pet. They are expensive to keep. You'll likely need to dose for fluke and worms at the very least. Sooner or later he/she will have some health issue and a vet can't examine if the animal can't be restrained. Same goes for annual tb test. I'd say you'd need at least two bovines together anyway as they need company of their own kind. So yes, you would be mad.

Not trans, I should have said heifer

Yes it is sounding increasingly mad. She's a fresian, are they always used for dairy or are some used for beef?

patsy_mccabe · 09-10-2020 9:31am

In the wintertime too, you will need proper housing. The big thing for me though is cattle are a herd animal and therefore need another at least for company.

whisky_galore · 09-10-2020 9:34am

A cow is for life, not just for Xmas.

Mad_maxx · 09-10-2020 9:43am

not unheard of in many countries to have a jersey cow ( small and quiet ) as a pet though the owner would milk them by hand too and use milk for house

was on a pet farm a few weeks back with the Mrs and kids , how about a kerry cow ?, smaller again , one i saw would fit in a wardrobe

amens · 09-10-2020 9:54am

whisky_galore wrote: »

A cow is for life, not just for Xmas.

Well said. The trouble with pets is that the novelty wears off and they then get neglected or discarded. Best thing for the heifer is to stay with the farmer who knows how to look after her. All her feed, health and social needs will be catered for until the day she goes up the ramp to the factory. A quick bolt in the head after a good life is much better than that which nature affords to most animals.

kerryjack · 09-10-2020 11:04am

If you have the land I dont see why not, you could look out for a nice hardy one that would live away out doors or you could buy a little heifer calf and hand rear her with a bit of meal and she be nice and quite for you.

Sugarbowl · 09-10-2020 11:58am

If it’s a freisen heifer, is she not destined for the milking parlor rather than an abattoir?

Mules · 09-10-2020 12:07pm

Sugarbowl wrote: »

If it’s a freisen heifer, is she not destined for the milking parlor rather than an abattoir?

That's what I'm wondering?

_Brian · 09-10-2020 12:12pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

not unheard of in many countries to have a jersey cow ( small and quiet ) as a pet though the owner would milk them by hand too and use milk for house

was on a pet farm a few weeks back with the Mrs and kids , how about a kerry cow ?, smaller again , one i saw would fit in a wardrobe

But for a milking cow your into bulling amd calving down, more work, skill and facilities needed.

Say my name · 09-10-2020 12:51pm

Mules wrote: »

Not trans, I should have said heifer Yes it is sounding increasingly mad. She's a fresian, are they always used for dairy or are some used for beef?

Used for milking bar the transgender ones. They go for beef.
The transgender ones won't go in calf and won't milk and think they are bulls.

Mules · 09-10-2020 12:52pm

Say my name wrote: »

Used for milking bar the transgender ones. They go for beef.
The transgender ones won't go in calf and won't milk and think they are bulls.

A transgender one sounds handy so

Mules · 09-10-2020 12:53pm

Mules · 09-10-2020 12:54pm

Feck it if she's going for milk, that's grand.

Say my name · 09-10-2020 12:56pm

Mules wrote: »

What does calving down mean?

It means giving birth to a young cow which is called a cowling.
Then it grows into a bullock and then finally at two years of age it becomes a cow.

arctictree · 09-10-2020 12:57pm

Get a goat instead. Much easier to handle and can be milked.

forgottenhills · 09-10-2020 1:04pm

arctictree wrote: »

Get a goat instead. Much easier to handle and can be milked.

Its not really right to be suggesting, even in jest, that someone who doesn't know about what it takes to look after farm animals, and all that this entails in terms of care, fencing, overwintering and handling facilities, should contemplate keeping one (and on its own in fairness to the wellbeing of the animal).

_Brian · 09-10-2020 1:10pm

forgottenhills wrote: »

Its not really right to be suggesting, even in jest, that someone who doesn't know about what it takes to look after farm animals, and all that this entails in terms of care, fencing, overwintering and handling facilities, should contemplate keeping one (and on its own in fairness to the wellbeing of the animal).

Let’s not overreact here.
OP states they have land and a number of horses.

So it’s very likely they know all about fencing and caring for animals.

John Hutton · 09-10-2020 1:12pm

I wouldn't recommend it OP.

Los of farmers have a "favorite" cow (or their kids do!) that ends up living on the farm forever with the herd, but keeping cows (you'd probably need 2) for no practical purpose is difficult and time consuming. Personally I don't find cows all that fun beyond giving them the odd pat, I think the novelty would fade.

Horses, which I have a lot of experience with, are far more fun, but if you are able to keep horses you will be able to learn how to keep a cow. In my (limited) experience cows would be something like a mentally disabled, dopey horse, far less character.

Maybe get some lambs?

JeffKenna · 09-10-2020 1:15pm

I don't think you could keep a single cow. Cows are social animals and like to have friends so she'd be quite lonely.

_Brian · 09-10-2020 1:15pm

John Hutton wrote: »

I wouldn't recommend it OP.

Los of farmers have a "favorite" cow (or their kids do!) that ends up living on the farm forever with the herd, but keeping cows (you'd probably need 2) for no practical purpose is difficult and time consuming. Personally I don't find cows all that fun beyond giving them the odd pat, I think the novelty would fade.

Horses, which I have a lot of experience with, are far more fun, but if you are able to keep horses you will be able to learn how to keep a cow. In my (limited) experience cows would be something like a mentally disabled, dopey horse, far less character.

Maybe get some lambs?

I think you know little of the character of cattle.

John Hutton · 09-10-2020 1:18pm

_Brian wrote: »

I think you know little of the character of cattle.

How would you describe the character of cattle in contrast to horses? I'm not saying cattle are bad!

JeffKenna · 09-10-2020 1:19pm

John Hutton wrote: »

How would you describe the character of cattle in contrast to horses? I'm not saying cattle are bad!

You're saying they're mentally disabled.

forgottenhills · 09-10-2020 1:19pm

_Brian wrote: »

Let’s not overreact here.
OP states they have land and a number of horses.

So it’s very likely they know all about fencing and caring for animals.

I don't think I'm overreacting. The OP admitted that they don't know much about cattle. Its quite a stretch from patting an animal once in a while to keeping that animal for years on land with no current handling or overwintering facilities, no winter feed, no herd number, no knowledge of the veterinary care required etc.

Say my name · 09-10-2020 1:22pm

JeffKenna wrote: »

You're saying they're mentally disabled.

No they said they're like a mentally disabled horse.

keepalive213 · 09-10-2020 1:24pm

Say my name wrote: »

No they said they're like a mentally disabled horse.

I've heard it all now ðŸ˜‚

mickdw · 09-10-2020 1:25pm

You could keep the cow on your plot while still being in the current farmers herd.
She could then be tested, dosed etc along with his other animals if nearby or if you have a trailer to move her.
There are official ways of doing this in compliance with department of agriculture rules as far as i know.

_Brian · 09-10-2020 1:30pm

John Hutton wrote: »

How would you describe the character of cattle in contrast to horses? I'm not saying cattle are bad!

Cattle that get the same attention as horses or ponies receive have just as good character, exhibit the same range of interaction and ability to befriend humans.

Knocking something because you don’t understand it demonstrates limited capacity never mind dishing the animals 🙄

forgottenhills · 09-10-2020 1:31pm

mickdw wrote: »

You could keep the cow on your plot while still being in the current farmers herd.
She could then be tested, dosed etc along with his other animals if nearby or if you have a trailer to move her.
There are official ways of doing this in compliance with department of agriculture rules as far as i know.

Or the OP could just buy the animal and pay for its upkeep, leave it in the farmers herd where it will be happy and looked after and visit it now and again!

This could be a thing you know. Sponsor a cow/calf/weanling/bullock/heifer scheme. Vegans welcomed.

John Hutton · 09-10-2020 2:01pm

_Brian wrote: »

Cattle that get the same attention as horses or ponies receive have just as good character, exhibit the same range of interaction and ability to befriend humans.

Knocking something because you don’t understand it demonstrates limited capacity never mind dishing the animals 🙄

Maybe my language was harsher than I meant it, but you can hardly argue that cows are as intelligent as horses. It would be a supremely intelligent cow that would be as intelligent as a horse, particularly regarding commands, training etc., i.e. interaction.

This isn't me having a go at cows, the point I was making is to try and explain to the OP what cows are like in comparison to horses, which they are familiar with. In hindsight I should have just said less intelligent and left it at that.

SouthWesterly · 09-10-2020 2:07pm

Say my name wrote: »

It means giving birth to a young cow which is called a cowling.
Then it grows into a bullock and then finally at two years of age it becomes a cow.

Thought it was called a calf but then what would I know being a Dub with half a dozen bullocks in their back garden

_Brian · 09-10-2020 2:13pm

John Hutton wrote: »

Maybe my language was harsher than I meant it, but you can hardly argue that cows are as intelligent as horses. It would be a supremely intelligent cow that would be as intelligent as a horse, particularly regarding commands, training etc., i.e. interaction.

This isn't me having a go at cows, the point I was making is to try and explain to the OP what cows are like in comparison to horses, which they are familiar with. In hindsight I should have just said less intelligent and left it at that.

If your on Twitter I’d say look up @ladyhaywire to see cattle at their best. Commercial cattle that would make many horses seem dumb.

Animals also have genetic differences in their ability to be more domesticated, definitely not a representation of intelligence or otherwise.

lalababa · 09-10-2020 2:15pm

A bullock is a castrated male. A heifer is a maiden cow. If you have horses then keeping a (whatever it is??ðŸ™„) Is no bother.
If it's a heifer it might get a bit adventurous when on heat.
A bullock would be easier.
A cow would be alright too
begorra
And a freemartin would be woke

patsy_mccabe · 09-10-2020 2:45pm

lalababa wrote: »

........
And a freemartin would be woke

All Martins should be set free. 'Free the Martins' I say.

_Brian · 09-10-2020 3:12pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

All Martins should be set free. 'Free the Martins' I say.

That’s all good and fair.
But nobody wants one.

kerryjack · 09-10-2020 3:39pm

_Brian wrote: »

That’s all good and fair.
But nobody wants one.

I here bengie the gay bull is living it up in england so I might set up a charity to save the martin who wants to be the first to donate

Mules · 09-10-2020 4:37pm

mickdw wrote: »

You could keep the cow on your plot while still being in the current farmers herd.
She could then be tested, dosed etc along with his other animals if nearby or if you have a trailer to move her.
There are official ways of doing this in compliance with department of agriculture rules as far as i know.

That's an idea alright.

JeffKenna · 09-10-2020 4:40pm

John Hutton wrote: »

Maybe my language was harsher than I meant it, but you can hardly argue that cows are as intelligent as horses. It would be a supremely intelligent cow that would be as intelligent as a horse, particularly regarding commands, training etc., i.e. interaction.

This isn't me having a go at cows, the point I was making is to try and explain to the OP what cows are like in comparison to horses, which they are familiar with. In hindsight I should have just said less intelligent and left it at that.

I dunno, you seem to be defining intelligence as being trained. Just because a horse follows commands doesn't equate to intelligence.

I can think of loads of examples that show cows are intelligent. In the parlour cows tapping the meal bin with their head to get a few extra nuts, using their tongue to open gates and eating blackberries off the ditch. They do have thorns in their nose after but I guess they've weighed up the risk/reward on that one!

Mules · 09-10-2020 4:41pm

kerryjack wrote: »

I here bengie the gay bull is living it up in england so I might set up a charity to save the martin who wants to be the first to donate

I remember that story, it was very funny.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 09-10-2020 7:13pm

kerryjack wrote: »

I here bengie the gay bull is living it up in england so I might set up a charity to save the martin who wants to be the first to donate

More like Benji the gay bullock now.

The bull had to be castrated when he arrived at the sanctuary. Not because he’s gay, but because it’s just a policy to stop the surprise arrival of new baby bulls!

https://evoke.ie/2019/09/04/extra/benjy-the-gay-bull

John Hutton · 09-10-2020 7:15pm

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

More like Benji the gay bullock now.

https://evoke.ie/2019/09/04/extra/benjy-the-gay-bull

Hahaha that's hilarious

Gods Gift · 09-10-2020 7:20pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

A cow is for life, not just for Xmas.

They keep for ages in the freezer.

fkndsfs · 09-10-2020 7:21pm

Follow your heart...

K.G. · 09-10-2020 7:42pm

Why not.there are a few regulations and if your friends with another farmer you can get advice and what dose s you might.we have some right pets and have alot of fun and this year unfortunately we lost the biggest pet of them all but we had some great fun with her and it will be long time before shes forgotten(as luck would have it she had her first heifer this year after all bulls).in every bunch of heifers there is always 1 or 2 characters and son 2 is a sight for making pets of them

longgonesilver · 09-10-2020 8:20pm

forgottenhills wrote: »

Or the OP could just buy the animal and pay for its upkeep, leave it in the farmers herd where it will be happy and looked after and visit it now and again!

This could be a thing you know. Sponsor a cow/calf/weanling/bullock/heifer scheme. Vegans welcomed.

This is up a d running on a Kerry( where else ) sheep farm. They do sheep dog demonstrations for tourists on the ring of kerry.

You can adopt a sheep for only 50 euro a year.

https://www.kissanesheepfarm.com/adopt.html
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Mules · 09-10-2020 10:19pm

I found out she's a dairy cow so she'll avoid the abattoir for a good while yet

I'll have a think about it and see. Thanks for the advice everyone

SouthWesterly · 09-10-2020 11:31pm

longgonesilver wrote: »

This is up a d running on a Kerry( where else ) sheep farm. They do sheep dog demonstrations for tourists on the ring of kerry.

You can adopt a sheep for only 50 euro a year.

https://www.kissanesheepfarm.com/adopt.html
)

How does Joe tourist know its their sheep they meet?
How long does a sheep live for anyway? Can Joe tourist get his sheep wrapped to go?
I wonder could I put my kids up fro adoption. Bit smarter than sheep. Might have to consider adopting out parts as they're more expensive to keep than sheep.
Or maybe I could just borrow one of Buford sheep.

Sacrolyte · 10-10-2020 12:47am

Have u considered a goldfish.
Fierce intelligent

kerryjack · 10-10-2020 6:08am

longgonesilver wrote: »

This is up a d running on a Kerry( where else ) sheep farm. They do sheep dog demonstrations for tourists on the ring of kerry.

You can adopt a sheep for only 50 euro a year.

https://www.kissanesheepfarm.com/adopt.html
)

This don't sit right with me, like is it not scraping the arse of the barrel, kind of a charity like put the hat around looking for donations or is it good business, seen an opportunity a market abroad for people to adopt a sheep and get sent a cert and picture of sheep. Personally I don't like the idea, wouldn't have anything to do with it.

Pet cow? ?

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