Dairy Chitchat 3

mf240 · 30-06-2019 11:35pm

What's all this talk about splash plates. Are they being banned for derogation farms or everybody.

Water John · 30-06-2019 11:46pm

Going, full stop. This is part of the national agri effort to reduce emissions.

orm0nd · 01-07-2019 6:16am

whelan2 wrote: »

Where is the best value for milking gloves?

safetydirect.ie.

about 70euro for 1000 delivered

Gawddawggonnit · 01-07-2019 6:20am

Water John wrote: »

Going, full stop. This is part of the national agri effort to reduce emissions.

Gone, full stop. I’d to upgrade the tanker over a year ago, at my own expense...

Buford T. Justice XIX · 01-07-2019 8:06am

mf240 wrote: »

What's all this talk about splash plates. Are they being banned for derogation farms or everybody.

No splash plate after 15th June on derogation farms and will probably be banned altogether for those farms.

And derogation looking to apply for farms at 135kgs rather than 170kgs so more farms being brought into needing a derogation. That's 1.5 cows/ha so a fairly low stocking rate.

mf240 · 01-07-2019 9:01am

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Gone, full stop. I’d to upgrade the tanker over a year ago, at my own expense...

Sorry if I confused you, I'm talking about ireland.

Injuryprone · 01-07-2019 9:22am

Anyone else seeing a poor response to KAN+S? I've paddocks grazed over 3 weeks ago, fertilized with 25 units about 18 days ago and there's hardly a cover of 500 in between the dungpads and the grass is gone yellow looking. It's what I'd expect to see if I put out no fertilizer.
Luckily this ground isn't needed for grazing this time round as the first cut ground has taken its place in the rotation

mahoney_j · 01-07-2019 9:31am

Injuryprone wrote: »

Anyone else seeing a poor response to KAN+S? I've paddocks grazed over 3 weeks ago, fertilized with 25 units about 18 days ago and there's hardly a cover of 500 in between the dungpads and the grass is gone yellow looking. It's what I'd expect to see if I put out no fertilizer.
Luckily this ground isn't needed for grazing this time round as the first cut ground has taken its place in the rotation

All I’ve been spreading for last 2 months or so grass growing fine ,going with about 80 kg per he after cows .what are p k indexes and ph like

alps · 01-07-2019 9:57am

Injuryprone wrote: »

Anyone else seeing a poor response to KAN+S? I've paddocks grazed over 3 weeks ago, fertilized with 25 units about 18 days ago and there's hardly a cover of 500 in between the dungpads and the grass is gone yellow looking. It's what I'd expect to see if I put out no fertilizer.
Luckily this ground isn't needed for grazing this time round as the first cut ground has taken its place in the rotation

You're worrying me....just ordered it to cover our N requirements for the rest of the season...

And speculation that the protection used doesn't stay effective for longer than 3 months in the bag, so no good holding it over till Spring...

alps · 01-07-2019 9:58am

mahoney_j wrote: »

All I’ve been spreading for last 2 months or so grass growing fine ,going with about 80 kg per he after cows .what are p k indexes and ph like

What that in old money MJ?

Injuryprone · 01-07-2019 10:05am

alps wrote: »

And speculation that the protection used doesn't stay effective for longer than 3 months in the bag, so no good holding it over till Spring...

You could be onto something maybe. I bought this stuff in January, it was delivered in early February. Maybe it's last year's stock

I still have a few bags left, so if things get back to normal I intend to spread half paddocks with it and other half with S-CAN.

Injuryprone · 01-07-2019 10:06am

mahoney_j wrote: »

All I’ve been spreading for last 2 months or so grass growing fine ,going with about 80 kg per he after cows .what are p k indexes and ph like

Indexes and pH are fine, a bit high if anything as these paddocks are beside the yard

Buford T. Justice XIX · 01-07-2019 10:14am

alps wrote: »

What that in old money MJ?

Around 24 units of N/ac? 32kgs/ac of 38%N if I'm doing the sum right

Timmaay · 01-07-2019 10:56am

Pigtails getting very hard to push into the ground in some paddocks here. No major surprise given its the 1st of July I suppose, however bit of rain would be well welcome. I was in 2 mind about bothering to put any fert on the silage ground outblock for a 3rd cut (got loads of silage already l, but think I'll go with something to keep my options open incase I need to zero graze it or afew more leafy bales later on.

mahoney_j · 01-07-2019 11:02am

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Around 24 units of N/ac? 32kgs/ac of 38%N if I'm doing the sum right

Your maths correlate with mine !!!!!

mahoney_j · 01-07-2019 11:05am

Timmaay wrote: »

Pigtails getting very hard to push into the ground in some paddocks here. No major surprise given its the 1st of July I suppose, however bit of rain would be well welcome. I was in 2 mind about bothering to put any fert on the silage ground outblock for a 3rd cut (got loads of silage already l, but think I'll go with something to keep my options open incase I need to zero graze it or afew more leafy bales later on.

Lot topping /baleing of paddocks here up to Friday due to ideal growing conditions ,not much rain in order this week so nothing topped or baled,lovely bank grass ahead solids rising milk steady and 2.19kgms .

Mooooo · 01-07-2019 11:31am

Put out liquid fert at the wkend on silage ground 60 units so be interesting to see how that goes. Got slurry a week ago. Have 24 2.5 10 for grazing ground and can + s along with a small bit of urea in the yard. Mowed just shy of 10% of mp this morning, maybe should have done more. A few paddocks need tidying, pulled ration a bit in order for the cows to do a bit of work and hit the tank a fair wallop but going into paddocks previously baled so will hopefully recover

Panch18 · 01-07-2019 11:40am

Mooooo wrote: »

Put out liquid fert at the wkend on silage ground 60 units so be interesting to see how that goes. Got slurry a week ago. Have 24 2.5 10 for grazing ground and can + s along with a small bit of urea in the yard. Mowed just shy of 10% of mp this morning, maybe should have done more. A few paddocks need tidying, pulled ration a bit in order for the cows to do a bit of work and hit the tank a fair wallop but going into paddocks previously baled so will hopefully recover

How you spreading liquid fert Moo? Or should I say how are you handling it, making it up etc?

Thought it was only tillage fellas doing liquid and not even many of them doing it in ireland

Mooooo · 01-07-2019 11:46am

Panch18 wrote: »

How you spreading liquid fert Moo? Or should I say how are you handling it, making it up etc?

Thought it was only tillage fellas doing liquid and not even many of them doing it in ireland

Contractor sprayed it thru merchants, barretts in copeen

Buford T. Justice XIX · 01-07-2019 12:45pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Your maths correlate with mine !!!!!

Phew!

It's always dodgy doing maths on someone elses figures. I was looking at that for spreading here so guessed it was the 38% as well.

Panch18 · 01-07-2019 1:12pm

Mooooo wrote: »

Contractor sprayed it thru merchants, barretts in copeen

And do it find it better than granular? Does it get a better uptake in dry weather?

straight · 01-07-2019 1:58pm

mahoney_j wrote: »

Lot topping /baleing of paddocks here up to Friday due to ideal growing conditions ,not much rain in order this week so nothing topped or baled,lovely bank grass ahead solids rising milk steady and 2.19kgms .

How many kg nuts are you on for that? I cut mine back from 4 to 3 and it hit the tank a bit but recovering now again.

mahoney_j · 01-07-2019 2:21pm

straight wrote: »

How many kg nuts are you on for that? I cut mine back from 4 to 3 and it hit the tank a bit but recovering now again.

4.4 kg average range 2 to 8 kg

straight · 01-07-2019 3:09pm

I'm after getting invited to participate in the greenbreed program with icbf. Seems like it may be worthwhile. Any other thoughts out there?

alps · 01-07-2019 3:43pm

straight wrote: »

I'm after getting invited to participate in the greenbreed program with icbf. Seems like it may be worthwhile. Any other thoughts out there?

Never heard of it Straight...youll have to give us the low down?

Castlekeeper · 01-07-2019 3:46pm

I'm drying off a few cows last Thursday with recurring mastitis/SCC issues for culling, I'd them down to c. 10l on hay and dried them off and put them into a bare old field. One of them has a bag full of milk, should I milk her out or toughen and leave her?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 01-07-2019 4:13pm

Pressure on growth starting here now. This paddock grazed 2 days ago and shallower soil starting to show up now.

straight · 01-07-2019 4:18pm

alps wrote: »

Never heard of it Straight...youll have to give us the low down?

5 year project to achieve greater genetic gain in environmental and economic efficiency. Establish optimal breeding program to reduce the dairy sectors environmental footprint. Receive large discounted rates off genotyping, free tech weighing of all stock and free bcs scoring of cows.
Think I'll go for it once they don't interfere with my own breeding plans.

whelan2 · 01-07-2019 6:07pm

Castlekeeper wrote: »

I'm drying off a few cows last Thursday with recurring mastitis/SCC issues for culling, I'd them down to c. 10l on hay and dried them off and put them into a bare old field. One of them has a bag full of milk, should I milk her out or toughen and leave her?

I'd leave her be unless she's sick

GrasstoMilk · 01-07-2019 7:25pm

Castlekeeper wrote: »

I'm drying off a few cows last Thursday with recurring mastitis/SCC issues for culling, I'd them down to c. 10l on hay and dried them off and put them into a bare old field. One of them has a bag full of milk, should I milk her out or toughen and leave her?

Milk her out again. That's what I do if any cow has a big bag of milk after being dried off any way

Castlekeeper · 01-07-2019 8:23pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Pressure on growth starting here now. This paddock grazed 2 days ago and shallower soil starting to show up now.

That's quick after all the rain we've got and no serious heat. How much soil is there? Is it over gravel or rock and what kind?

Would leaving higher residuals be better if the land is that vulnerable?

Castlekeeper · 01-07-2019 8:25pm

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Milk her out again. That's what I do if any cow has a big bag of milk after being dried off any way

As the replies were 50/50 I'll milk out one side and leave the other. I'll present the initial findings at Moorepark on Wednesday. ...

Buford T. Justice XIX · 01-07-2019 8:31pm

Castlekeeper wrote: »

That's quick after all the rain we've got and no serious heat. How much soil is there? Is it over gravel or rock and what kind?

Would leaving higher residuals be better if the land is that vulnerable?

We haven't had much rain in the last 2 weeks but plenty of warmth.

It's over solid limestone, about an inch there in that rise and on the left as well. The rest of the field would be 4 to 6", able to be ploughed but you'd want to like picking stones:D

There's good warmth in the soil atm so the first few days will be OK but it'll stop dead in 2 or 3 days time without some rain. That paddock was baled in the second last rotation so it's very clean and even.

The Rabbi · 01-07-2019 8:38pm

straight wrote: »

5 year project to achieve greater genetic gain in environmental and economic efficiency. Establish optimal breeding program to reduce the dairy sectors environmental footprint. Receive large discounted rates off genotyping, free tech weighing of all stock and free bcs scoring of cows.
Think I'll go for it once they don't interfere with my own breeding plans.

I doubt that the free bcs scoring will interfere with you scoring.:D

K.G. · 02-07-2019 9:28am

Its that time of year again here when a mans mind turns to balls and cocks or put it another way ballcocks.i bought an xtraflo ballcock recently and seems to be working well.anyone else have experience with them

Gawddawggonnit · 02-07-2019 2:17pm

Spoke earlier today to an employee of a large Irish Coop.
He told me that many, many dairy farms are in debt (merchant credit) to the tune of €1k/cow, and that it’s no bother for the Coop at all. He mentioned that this years fert would be included in that.

I personally find it a bit incredible...

Could it be close to the truth?

straight · 02-07-2019 2:20pm

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Spoke earlier today to an employee of a large Irish Coop.
He told me that many, many dairy farms are in debt (merchant credit) to the tune of €1k/cow, and that it’s no bother for the Coop at all. He mentioned that this years fert would be included in that.

I personally find it a bit incredible...

Could it be close to the truth?

Ya that sounds about right. We're fecked.

visatorro · 02-07-2019 2:24pm

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Spoke earlier today to an employee of a large Irish Coop.
He told me that many, many dairy farms are in debt (merchant credit) to the tune of €1k/cow, and that it’s no bother for the Coop at all. He mentioned that this years fert would be included in that.

I personally find it a bit incredible...

Could it be close to the truth?

Not being smart but I find that very hard to believe. If it is then its huge for merchant debt. But if there isn't a heap of farms up for sale next year then they are getting away with it and everything will be fine!

Water John · 02-07-2019 2:25pm

40% of dairy farmers have no debt which gives the other 60% an average of about €200K debt, as far as I recall.
Mostly it's the smaller/medium guys have little debt so €1K/cow is about right. Not sure if that figure includes merchant credit.

whelan2 · 02-07-2019 2:26pm

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Spoke earlier today to an employee of a large Irish Coop.
He told me that many, many dairy farms are in debt (merchant credit) to the tune of €1k/cow, and that it’s no bother for the Coop at all. He mentioned that this years fert would be included in that.

I personally find it a bit incredible...

Could it be close to the truth?

Heard some banks are now looking for co-op trading statements when some farmers are applying for loans

straight · 02-07-2019 2:30pm

Water John wrote: »

40% of dairy farmers have no debt which gives the other 60% an average of about €200K debt, as far as I recall.
Mostly it's the smaller/medium guys have little debt so €1K/cow is about right. Not sure if that figure includes merchant credit.

Do them figures include personal debt such as mortgage, credit cards, etc?

Water John · 02-07-2019 2:34pm

Farming enterprise debt I think. The original effort was to spread the debt over all farmers to show how low it was, on average, saying it was only around €100K/dairy farm.

Mooooo · 02-07-2019 2:43pm

Water John wrote: »

Farming enterprise debt I think. The original effort was to spread the debt over all farmers to show how low it was, on average, saying it was only around €100K/dairy farm.

I originally took debt in that context to mean farm lending from banks as opposed to credit merchant , etc

Say my name · 02-07-2019 3:22pm

Water John wrote: »

40% of dairy farmers have no debt which gives the other 60% an average of about €200K debt, as far as I recall.
Mostly it's the smaller/medium guys have little debt so €1K/cow is about right. Not sure if that figure includes merchant credit.

There's a load in that post..

First and most importantly how do you know those facts and figures to be correct?
Teagasc profit monitor?
What percentage of dairy farmers hand in a profit monitor to teagasc?

Gawddawggonnit · 02-07-2019 3:34pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Heard some banks are now looking for co-op trading statements when some farmers are applying for loans

He’s an old friend of mine and wouldn’t be making it up. It’s the €1000/cow I find startling...but then again it’s probably a lot easier than going to the pillar banks.

Water John · 02-07-2019 3:35pm

Cannot remember the source, a couple of months back. I think it was a report done by one of the banks, but remember what was being stated clearly.
Again not sure but thought it incl merchant credit. Milk processors esp, have tightened that up a lot.
The other side is know of a hardware and farm supplier, who sold up to his local coop. His problem was he couldn't collect money outstanding. Sold business and debt.

Say my name · 02-07-2019 3:51pm

Water John wrote: »

Cannot remember the source, a couple of months back. I think it was a report done by one of the banks, but remember what was being stated clearly.
Again not sure but thought it incl merchant credit. Milk processors esp, have tightened that up a lot.
The other side is know of a hardware and farm supplier, who sold up to his local coop. His problem was he couldn't collect money outstanding. Sold business and debt.

Yea it's information collected by the National farm survey every year.
It's conducted by teagasc in this country and 1000 to 1200 farmers are selected at random.

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/dairy/dairy-debt-burden-hits-1-3bn-average-borrowings-total-118446-in-2018-38175906.html

https://www.teagasc.ie/rural-economy/rural-economy/national-farm-survey/

(I was getting worried there for a second and that big brother had a direct line to my bank accounts)..

Gawddawggonnit · 02-07-2019 4:08pm

A Danish sporting friend and his son were here last autumn. The son works as a farm manager on a 300 dairy herd and the debt is €20k/hd. He was saying that’s it’s nothing out of the ordinary in Denmark.

Mortelaro · 02-07-2019 4:14pm

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

He’s an old friend of mine and wouldn’t be making it up. It’s the €1000/cow I find startling...but then again it’s probably a lot easier than going to the pillar banks.

With the amount of stuff being bought to feed drought affected farms in the worst areas last year,it doesn't sound unusual
Cows had to be fed
Noone knew for how long
Drastic measures like selling up were never a plan
I know one guy who was spending €400 a day alone for three months on alf alfa bales along with other extra supplements
Not uncommon
That farm is still running
No idea what their CO OP bill looks like, but they'd have got 10 or 12k back in the trading scheme
A drop in the ocean

Timmaay · 02-07-2019 4:14pm

Say delete some of your pm's in you inbox!

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