Replay: All Ireland SFC Final Dublin v Kerry Saturday 14/09/2019 @ 6pm

Bonniedog · 16-09-2019 12:30am

He was definitely overcome by the occasion. after putting in one of his best shifts in the jersey.

Sound chap who wears his heart on his sleeve and takes no prisoners but ends at the whistle.

People forget too, and have some personal knowledge of this, that surviving a random attack that might very well have killed him, is not an easy thing to do. I have great admiration for the man.

Anyone mouthing off about him after the draw game was a just that, an irrelevant mouth.

Strumms · 16-09-2019 12:35am

He is again another absolute diamond guy. If you looked up the definition of ‘gentleman’ in the dictionary you wouldn’t be far surprised to see a pic of him next to it... delighted for his success.

JRant · 16-09-2019 7:14am

Bonniedog wrote: »

He was definitely overcome by the occasion. after putting in one of his best shifts in the jersey.

Sound chap who wears his heart on his sleeve and takes no prisoners but ends at the whistle.

People forget too, and have some personal knowledge of this, that surviving a random attack that might very well have killed him, is not an easy thing to do. I have great admiration for the man.

Anyone mouthing off about him after the draw game was a just that, an irrelevant mouth.

Well said Bonnie.

I'd imagine a lot of that emotion was shear relief. If we had lost the first game he may very well have blamed himself so getting a second chance at it and playing that well shows a serious amount of character.

beggars_bush · 16-09-2019 7:52am

How many steps taken for the goal? 10? 11?

ArielAtom · 16-09-2019 8:01am

beggars_bush wrote: »

How many steps taken for the goal? 10? 11?

It could have been 20, it doesn’t matter. The ref didn’t blow. End off.

elefant · 16-09-2019 8:26am

I thought that it was a really super match. A true exhibition of the full gamut of skills of the game: tackling, shooting, high fielding, tactical play.

NabyLadistheman · 16-09-2019 8:33am

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

This is class

https://twitter.com/FitnessCoachG/status/1173172967318196225?s=19

Deleted User wrote: »

By all accounts a nice guy. But just out of curiosity, how is he doing the handshake rounds so late and on his own?

corny wrote: »

He was a mess after the final whistle. Crying into Murchans shoulder like a little girl.:D

Seemed to be genuinely overawed by the achievement anyway. That or the criticism (some from Dublin supporters) might have got to him between games.

Hilarious stuff. There wasn't much class being showed when he had Geaney pinned to the ground in injury time with the game already won

Field east · 16-09-2019 8:38am

Bonniedog wrote: »

Dublin scored 1 - 17 from play. I won't embarrass you by stating where that stands statistically in the records for finals.

You ought to do some research.

Was this more to do with Kerry backs committing almost no fouls within striking distance of the Kerry goals. So the highlight should be the few fouls committed by Kerry rather than most of Dublin’s scores coming from play

Field east · 16-09-2019 8:55am

threeball wrote: »

A shot clock is not the answer. Kerry went deep and zonal yesterday and it served them badly. They should have went man for man. That would have forced Dublin into longer kickouts, it wouldn't allow them to play pass the parcel across the 45 and would have prevented the spare man overlap which was always there due to their defensive tactics.

If teams want to stop clock management from another team then they need to employ tactics that prevent it. Many teams are trying to be far too clever now and have ignored the benefits of a more traditional approach where it's merited.

I am not a ‘micro analyst’ of the big ball but I coulld not understand why Kerry never changed its strategy re the Dublin kick outs - which they won most and scored from a lot of them by holding onto the ball until within striking distance IN FRONT OF GOAL.
If Kerry man marked - especially for the Dublin kick outs there is a 50/50 chance that it would have got possession and the chances of scoring would have been higher. It forewent that option and handed Dublin unchallenged possession every time and also a chance for Dub player to look up and see what options are available ‘ re pass the parcel ‘ up to the D. I know that man marking would create more open space for Dublin to exploit if it won the ball. But if Kerry lost the ball on the dub kick out it could immediately change from the man to man marking to the defensive strategy it did employ - which, imo, was very sound , apart from that moment of madness re the Dublin goal.
Kerry’s response to the Dub kickout strategy was reminiscent of Kilkennys second half strategy in the senior hurling final

robbiezero · 16-09-2019 9:11am

Couldn't understand not contesting the kick-outs either. Granted they coughed up a few scores from the high press in the drawn game, but they did get a few scores themselves off it also and plenty possession. According to Sky, the Dubs got 7 points from their kick outs which is a huge portion of the 1-18.

Dublin are superb in possession of the ball and it is very difficult to get it back off them. It was no surprise that Kerry were out on their feet for the last 15 minutes with the effort they had to make to try and win back the ball.
The long ball game at the start gave Dublin 3 points also. Was a very strange tactic to employ. Even if Geaney had managed to win one of them, he would have been instantly surrounded by Dublin defenders.

Dyr · 16-09-2019 9:19am

Field east wrote: »

Was this more to do with Kerry backs committing almost no fouls within striking distance of the Kerry goals. So the highlight should be the few fouls committed by Kerry rather than most of Dublin’s scores coming from play

Had more to do with one Conor Lane refusing to blow for a single foul within kicking distance of the Kerry goals. There were fouls aplenty.

ThunbergsAreGo · 16-09-2019 9:20am

Field east wrote: »

Was this more to do with Kerry backs committing almost no fouls within striking distance of the Kerry goals. So the highlight should be the few fouls committed by Kerry rather than most of Dublin’s scores coming from play

Couldnt it be both?

threeball · 16-09-2019 9:22am

Field east wrote: »

I am not a ‘micro analyst’ of the big ball but I coulld not understand why Kerry never changed its strategy re the Dublin kick outs - which they won most and scored from a lot of them by holding onto the ball until within striking distance IN FRONT OF GOAL.
If Kerry man marked - especially for the Dublin kick outs there is a 50/50 chance that it would have got possession and the chances of scoring would have been higher. It forewent that option and handed Dublin unchallenged possession every time and also a chance for Dub player to look up and see what options are available ‘ re pass the parcel ‘ up to the D. I know that man marking would create more open space for Dublin to exploit if it won the ball. But if Kerry lost the ball on the dub kick out it could immediately change from the man to man marking to the defensive strategy it did employ - which, imo, was very sound , apart from that moment of madness re the Dublin goal.
Kerry’s response to the Dub kickout strategy was reminiscent of Kilkennys second half strategy in the senior hurling final

Unfortunately in this race to be the smartest tactical manager in the land they've thrown the baby out with the bathwater. 15 on 15 is very sound once you trust your team to do their job. If going man on man every kick pass must be perfect, every handpass will be underpressure, every runner should have a tracker. Instead we now have a soccer style where everyone abandons their duties to take up a defensive formation which going on recent scorelines for the last 10 championships is conceding more scores than ever. You now see teams regularly running up scores that were only ever seen in hurling.

Responsibility is gone out the window. If your man kicks seven points he no longer took you to the cleaners, the blamed is spread across the entire system that failed. Don't track a runner, I was watching this fella , he's someone else's problem.

We've ended up with collective responsibility and no accountability. Yes it works in soccer where scoring a goal is difficult at the best of times but in a free scoring game like football once a team gets the inevitable 3 or 4pts up you are screwed. If teams trust their players to do a job then a more traditional game has huge merits on both sides of the ball.

Snow Garden · 16-09-2019 9:32am

beggars_bush wrote: »

How many steps taken for the goal? 10? 11?

A ref will never count the steps where a player is being fouled.
It was a fabulous goal especially since it was straight from the throw in.

16-09-2019 10:08am

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Hilarious stuff. There wasn't much class being showed when he had Geaney pinned to the ground in injury time with the game already won

All the great teams across all sports are mean until the final whistle is blown. I'm OK with that, but it does cause me to role my eyes when teams like mayo get criticized for being mean, especially after being criticized for lacking tho killer edge to win previously.

Bonniedog · 16-09-2019 10:10am

Field east wrote: »

Was this more to do with Kerry backs committing almost no fouls within striking distance of the Kerry goals. So the highlight should be the few fouls committed by Kerry rather than most of Dublin’s scores coming from play

Kerry defence was generally disciplined but they rode their luck in the first half. They asked big questions of the Dublin attack, and did well the first day. Dublin responded well in the replay and 1 - 17 from play is unique.

Will be interesting to see how other teams try and take on Dublin and Kerry as the more overtly negative game plans have been totally discredited at top senior level, and even in the club game where teams like Corofin and Killarney Crokes play open attacking football.

Cork underage teams are similar and their seniors had a cut off both Dublin and Kerry, so they are possibly best placed to move up a gear. Being in Division three might postpone that for a year or two.

The_Kew_Tour · 16-09-2019 10:22am

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Hilarious stuff. There wasn't much class being showed when he had Geaney pinned to the ground in injury time with the game already won

Yawn

spurshero · 16-09-2019 11:19am

beggars_bush wrote: »

How many steps taken for the goal? 10? 11?

Colm o rourke said 12 . Just the 8 more then supposed to be taken.

The_Kew_Tour · 16-09-2019 11:34am

It's hard to do much with the ball when your shirt is being pulled for 20 metres

ArielAtom · 16-09-2019 11:53am

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Hilarious stuff. There wasn't much class being showed when he had Geaney pinned to the ground in injury time with the game already won

The same could be said of Clifford behaviour for the complete game punching, pinching and mouthing in Coopers face looking for a reaction, classless from him to be honest and Cooper did not react, class from him.

BonnieSituation · 16-09-2019 12:06pm

Field east wrote: »

Was this more to do with Kerry backs committing almost no fouls within striking distance of the Kerry goals. So the highlight should be the few fouls committed by Kerry rather than most of Dublin’s scores coming from play

So now an astounding ratio of "in-play:free-kicks" should be discounted because Kerry didn't foul us [sic] that much. Sweet mother of god.

Is there anything we do worthy of credit from ye shower?

robbiezero · 16-09-2019 12:13pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

It's hard to do much with the ball when your shirt is being pulled for 20 metres

It wasn't. Moran gave a brief tug but couldn't hold on. Should have been a free in to Dublin and the goal disallowed. Doubt it would have made much difference either way.
Then Con should have had a penalty so it kind of balanced out.

blanch152 · 16-09-2019 12:48pm

Still coming down after a fantastic Saturday evening.

Read through the thread, and there really are some blinkered bitter people out there. A couple of days before the final, we had one poster wondering what Kilkenny brought to the game - hope he was watching on Saturday. Some of the other stuff isn't worth responding to, but brings a smile to my face.

Lane reffed the game very strangely, letting an awful lot go, that tends to even things up because the team hanging on gets the breaks, and it kept Kerry in the game as a stonewall penalty and a couple of frees would have had Dublin out of sight before half-time. What goes around came around, after failing to blow for Moran's blatant tug on Murchan, he had to let the steps go, and Murchan scored a goal. It was a clever foul by Moran, pulling on Murchan's jersey just as he should have hopped the ball, which would usually have resulted in Murchan losing it. Ref didn't blow, as he didn't all day, and the rest is history.

One important thing missed by the officials was the targetting of McCaffrey from the outset. As soon as the ball moved out of the Dublin 45, he was either bodychecked or pulled back. Unfortunately for Kerry, this backfired, as by paying so much attention to Jack, they couldn't hold back the rest of the team.

I was disappointed by Kerry. The first day, they were brave and went full-court press on Dublin. I have always said that this is the only way you will beat Dublin, and they nearly did, despite conceding 1-2 from long kickouts. Dublin got 0-8 from their short kick-outs this time. Kerry effectively backed down in the replay, by conceding the kick-outs and I think that made the result inevitable. I was always relaxed in the game as a result.

The other noticeable thing on the kick-outs was that they consciously left Murchan and Byrne as the free men, not seeing them as dangerous as Cooper, Fitzsimons, McCarthy or McCaffrey and more likely to pass rather than drive forward. A mistake, as Byrne got a point, and Murchan didn't pass when through on goal. I can only think that the Kerry defenders were told to stick to their man and wait for the pass if Murchan goes on a run. Poor tactics with the subs as well. If you are going to bring on Tommy Walsh to play full-forward, hit the long ball to him. Keane got shown up a bit.

That being said, while Kerry made these mistakes, Dublin still had to beat them. Cluxton, Fitzsimons, Kilkenny, Mannion and O'Callaghan were outstanding. The three-minute spell to break down the Kerry massed defence ala Donegal must have broken the Kerry morale. No other team would have the composure, quality and excellence to maintain possession for that length of time. The ludicrous calls on this thread for a limit to possession are another silly idea that only helps massed defences. That massed defence from Kerry was another sign of them mentally conceding the front foot to Dublin.

There is an awful lot more to say about the final and this great Dublin team and will come back to it another time.

robbiezero · 16-09-2019 1:04pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Still coming down after a fantastic Saturday evening.

Read through the thread, and there really are some blinkered bitter people out there. A couple of days before the final, we had one poster wondering what Kilkenny brought to the game - hope he was watching on Saturday. Some of the other stuff isn't worth responding to, but brings a smile to my face.

Lane reffed the game very strangely, letting an awful lot go, that tends to even things up because the team hanging on gets the breaks, and it kept Kerry in the game as a stonewall penalty and a couple of frees would have had Dublin out of sight before half-time. What goes around came around, after failing to blow for Moran's blatant tug on Murchan, he had to let the steps go, and Murchan scored a goal. It was a clever foul by Moran, pulling on Murchan's jersey just as he should have hopped the ball, which would usually have resulted in Murchan losing it. Ref didn't blow, as he didn't all day, and the rest is history.

One important thing missed by the officials was the targetting of McCaffrey from the outset. As soon as the ball moved out of the Dublin 45, he was either bodychecked or pulled back. Unfortunately for Kerry, this backfired, as by paying so much attention to Jack, they couldn't hold back the rest of the team.

I was disappointed by Kerry. The first day, they were brave and went full-court press on Dublin. I have always said that this is the only way you will beat Dublin, and they nearly did, despite conceding 1-2 from long kickouts. Dublin got 0-8 from their short kick-outs this time. Kerry effectively backed down in the replay, by conceding the kick-outs and I think that made the result inevitable. I was always relaxed in the game as a result.

The other noticeable thing on the kick-outs was that they consciously left Murchan and Byrne as the free men, not seeing them as dangerous as Cooper, Fitzsimons, McCarthy or McCaffrey and more likely to pass rather than drive forward. A mistake, as Byrne got a point, and Murchan didn't pass when through on goal. I can only think that the Kerry defenders were told to stick to their man and wait for the pass if Murchan goes on a run. Poor tactics with the subs as well. If you are going to bring on Tommy Walsh to play full-forward, hit the long ball to him. Keane got shown up a bit.

That being said, while Kerry made these mistakes, Dublin still had to beat them. Cluxton, Fitzsimons, Kilkenny, Mannion and O'Callaghan were outstanding. The three-minute spell to break down the Kerry massed defence ala Donegal must have broken the Kerry morale. No other team would have the composure, quality and excellence to maintain possession for that length of time. The ludicrous calls on this thread for a limit to possession are another silly idea that only helps massed defences. That massed defence from Kerry was another sign of them mentally conceding the front foot to Dublin.

There is an awful lot more to say about the final and this great Dublin team and will come back to it another time.

He was playing advantage so didn't have to let the steps go, could and should have brought it back for the free-in.

FrancieBrady · 16-09-2019 1:05pm

ArielAtom wrote: »

The same could be said of Clifford behaviour for the complete game punching, pinching and mouthing in Coopers face looking for a reaction, classless from him to be honest and Cooper did not react, class from him.

In fairness, most counties he has played would see him as far from a 'gentleman' on the pitch as you could get.

If he can't win by fair means he will resort to unfair ones. Fact of life with Johnny I'm afraid.

blanch152 · 16-09-2019 1:09pm

robbiezero wrote: »

He was playing advantage so didn't have to let the steps go, could and should have brought it back for the free-in.

Except he wasn't playing advantage. Every time, he played advantage in the game, he clearly signalled it. On this occasion, there was no signal.

Lane's instinct is to let things go and keep the game flowing. Last Saturday, it prevented Kerry getting a drubbing in the first half, Murchan's steps were karma.

robbiezero · 16-09-2019 1:19pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Except he wasn't playing advantage. Every time, he played advantage in the game, he clearly signalled it. On this occasion, there was no signal.

Lane's instinct is to let things go and keep the game flowing. Last Saturday, it prevented Kerry getting a drubbing in the first half, Murchan's steps were karma.

https://twitter.com/sportsfile/status/1172935784267177984/photo/1

chief orman · 16-09-2019 1:25pm

ArielAtom wrote: »

The same could be said of Clifford behaviour for the complete game punching, pinching and mouthing in Coopers face looking for a reaction, classless from him to be honest and Cooper did not react, class from him.

Cooper & Class don't go in the same sentence.

BloodyBill · 16-09-2019 1:27pm

robbiezero wrote: »

He was playing advantage so didn't have to let the steps go, could and should have brought it back for the free-in.

No sport in the world allows a player committ a foul (over carrying ) because he himself is being fouled (Jersey tug) except the GAA. Its ridiculous at this stage.

seligehgit · 16-09-2019 1:28pm

robbiezero wrote: »

Couldn't understand not contesting the kick-outs either. Granted they coughed up a few scores from the high press in the drawn game, but they did get a few scores themselves off it also and plenty possession. According to Sky, the Dubs got 7 points from their kick outs which is a huge portion of the 1-18.

Dublin are superb in possession of the ball and it is very difficult to get it back off them. It was no surprise that Kerry were out on their feet for the last 15 minutes with the effort they had to make to try and win back the ball.
The long ball game at the start gave Dublin 3 points also. Was a very strange tactic to employ. Even if Geaney had managed to win one of them, he would have been instantly surrounded by Dublin defenders.

Indeed I found it perplexing that Kerry largely surrendered the short kickouts in the second half.I do understand their fears considering McCaffrey's goal in the first game but I thought Dublin had too many easy out balls in the second half.

The Kerry players did seem to be very fatigued in the latter part of the second half.They looked out on their feet??

The_Kew_Tour · 16-09-2019 1:30pm

robbiezero wrote: »

It wasn't. Moran gave a brief tug but couldn't hold on. Should have been a free in to Dublin and the goal disallowed. Doubt it would have made much difference either way.
Then Con should have had a penalty so it kind of balanced out.

Watching it babk he was been pulled for about 5 steps. See your point alright but still think its better to reward a foul by bit of brilliance

ArielAtom · 16-09-2019 1:33pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In fairness, most counties he has played would see him as far from a 'gentleman' on the pitch as you could get.

If he can't win by fair means he will resort to unfair ones. Fact of life with Johnny I'm afraid.

So Clifford gets a free pass on his behaviour. It can't be one rule for one and another for the rest.

FrancieBrady · 16-09-2019 1:36pm

ArielAtom wrote: »

So Clifford gets a free pass on his behaviour. It can't be one rule for one and another for the rest.

Did I say that?

Cooper deciding to go around shaking hands doesn't a gentleman make. His on field behaviour for quite a long time has not marked him out as a sporting player, far from it and most counties would have experienced his peculiar interpretation of 'gentlemanly' behaviour.

ArielAtom · 16-09-2019 1:42pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did I say that?

Cooper deciding to go around shaking hands doesn't a gentleman make. His on field behaviour for quite a long time has not marked him out as a sporting player, far from it and most counties would have experienced his peculiar interpretation of 'gentlemanly' behaviour.

Apologies, I'll re-phrase it. Do you condone Cliffords cynical behaviour? Yes, Johnny has earned his stripes, but on Saturday he was superb, not rising to the off the ball shyte he was targeted with. Maybe he has matured.

FrancieBrady · 16-09-2019 1:48pm

ArielAtom wrote: »

Apologies, I'll re-phrase it. Do you condone Cliffords cynical behaviour? Yes, Johnny has earned his stripes, but on Saturday he was superb, not rising to the off the ball shyte he was targeted with. Maybe he has matured.

You want me to judge the man on the basis of a one week turn around in his behaviour?

Sorry, I will have to see more to elevate him to 'gentleman' status.

ArielAtom · 16-09-2019 1:54pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You want me to judge the man on the basis of a one week turn around in his behaviour?

Sorry, I will have to see more to elevate him to 'gentleman' status.

Don't answer my question then.

FrancieBrady · 16-09-2019 1:58pm

ArielAtom wrote: »

Don't answer my question then.

The one you are asking to deflect from a point made about Cooper's reputation in general?

ArielAtom · 16-09-2019 2:00pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The one you are asking to deflect from a point made about Cooper's reputation in general?

I made a point about a players behaviour and asked you to answer a question, deflection is all on you shoulders here. By refusing to answer I feel you have given us your answer.

FrancieBrady · 16-09-2019 2:03pm

ArielAtom wrote: »

I made a point about a players behaviour and asked you to answer a question, deflection is all on you shoulders here. By refusing to answer I feel you have given us your answer.

Have you addressed Cooper's reputation in general? Nope, you haven't.

'Clifford was as bad' and 'He didn't resort to dirt this week' is the best we have gotten.

ArielAtom · 16-09-2019 2:13pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Have you addressed Cooper's reputation in general? Nope, you haven't.

'Clifford was as bad' and 'He didn't resort to dirt this week' is the best we have gotten.

No, I asked you a simple question, that you deflect to Coopers behaviour when I did'nt ask about his just more deflection from yourself. I've made my point. You refuse to answer. I think I'll leave you at it.

FrancieBrady · 16-09-2019 2:15pm

ArielAtom wrote: »

No, I asked you a simple question, that you deflect to Coopers behaviour when I did'nt ask about his just more deflection from yourself. I've made my point. You refuse to answer. I think I'll leave you at it.

You defended Cooper by pointing at somebody else. Text book deflection. 'Away up the yard' as they say around here.

Edgware · 16-09-2019 2:24pm

seligehgit wrote: »

Indeed I found it perplexing that Kerry largely surrendered the short kickouts in the second half.I do understand their fears considering McCaffrey's goal in the first game but I thought Dublin had too many easy out balls in the second half.

The Kerry players did seem to be very fatigued in the latter part of the second half.They looked out on their feet??

I thought that too. They are a very fit team physically but mental tiredness comes into play. Whatever plans they had in the dressingroom at half time, whatever optimism they had. coming out after half time disappeared with the Dublin goal. It was as if they suddenly realised that they were fated to be a bit part in the Drive for Five.
Dublin had been through this before and had the experience to know not to panic, slow it down and wait for the chances to come.

robbiezero · 16-09-2019 2:41pm

Edgware wrote: »

I thought that too. They are a very fit team physically but mental tiredness comes into play. Whatever plans they had in the dressingroom at half time, whatever optimism they had. coming out after half time disappeared with the Dublin goal. It was as if they suddenly realised that they were fated to be a bit part in the Drive for Five.
Dublin had been through this before and had the experience to know not to panic, slow it down and wait for the chances to come.

Ya, I think Dublin sapped the energy out of them, mentally and physically. They were chasing shadows for a lot of the second half largely due to the baffling decision to concede the kick outs.
In a way it was similar to the drawn game where mid-way through the second half the Dubs looked to be coasting, but then a fortuitous goal for Kerry gave them a massive lift for a ten minute spell and brought them back into the game (Spillanes goal was brilliant, but was the product of Dublin mistakes).
They had a chance of similar with O'Brien, but he really did very poorly for it, All he had to do was handpass over Coopers head for a very simple push to the net for Geaney.
That miss combined with some very poor wides as well as the excellent keeping of possession from the Dubs just sucked the life out of them.
I think there was another attacking gear in Dublin too had they needed it, if Kerry had managed to get that goal.

blanch152 · 16-09-2019 2:44pm

robbiezero wrote: »

https://twitter.com/sportsfile/status/1172935784267177984/photo/1

OK, I got that one wrong, still haven't watched it all back on TV, recollection is from the game. However, Murchan took advantage and scored the goal, so why should it be called back?

blanch152 · 16-09-2019 2:47pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In fairness, most counties he has played would see him as far from a 'gentleman' on the pitch as you could get.

If he can't win by fair means he will resort to unfair ones. Fact of life with Johnny I'm afraid.

Pretty unfair summation of Johnny Cooper.

He plays as close to the line as possible, see interview in the Irish Times for an indication of this mentality, but he is not thuggish in the way that many other defenders are.

robbiezero · 16-09-2019 2:49pm

blanch152 wrote: »

OK, I got that one wrong, still haven't watched it all back on TV, recollection is from the game. However, Murchan took advantage and scored the goal, so why should it be called back?

Because he took ~12 steps and fouled the ball.
I'm not familiar with the exact rules governing advantage but surely having advantage doesn't give you license to foul the ball?

yobr · 16-09-2019 2:56pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Pretty unfair summation of Johnny Cooper.

He plays as close to the line as possible, see interview in the Irish Times for an indication of this mentality, but he is not thuggish in the way that many other defenders are.

I suspect with 6 All Ireland medals at 29 years of age, Johnny won't be too bothered by certain aspects of the criticism about him.

Hammer Archer · 16-09-2019 3:02pm

blanch152 wrote: »

OK, I got that one wrong, still haven't watched it all back on TV, recollection is from the game. However, Murchan took advantage and scored the goal, so why should it be called back?

Advantage doesn't mean that you can commit a foul, technical or otherwise. If a player is fouled but can continue, the referee plays advantage. If, while that advantage is still being played, the player overcarries (or indeed commits any other foul), the referee should call the play back and award the free for the initial foul. Just like in rugby where a player can't simply chuck the ball forward because the referee is playing advantage.

FrancieBrady · 16-09-2019 3:03pm

blanch152 wrote: »

He plays as close to the line as possible,

Pretty lame euphemism for a player who is frequently just a dirty player tbh.

ArielAtom · 16-09-2019 3:04pm

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Advantage doesn't mean that you can commit a foul, technical or otherwise. If a player is fouled but can continue, the referee plays advantage. If, while that advantage is still being played, the player overcarries (or indeed commits any other foul), the referee should call the play back and award the free for the initial foul. Just like in rugby where a player can't simply chuck the ball forward because the referee is playing advantage.

Hammer, while you are technically correct it rarely is punished. Yes he overcarried, but if we analysed every carry by every player on Saturday it would probably be 50% of them.

Replay: All Ireland SFC Final Dublin v Kerry Saturday 14/09/2019 @ 6pm

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