Christmas FM to pull 'Baby it's Cold Outside'

facehugger99 · 03-12-2018 8:38am

Suckit wrote: »

Partially quoted from other thread

In the original movie, the roles are switched halfway through the song. So it's not a male asking a female to reconsider..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MFJ7ie_yGU

The image does seem slightly rapey.

WoollyRedHat · 03-12-2018 9:18am

It's not even that cold outside to be fair.. Something something Global warming.

Floppybits · 03-12-2018 9:21am

theguzman wrote: »

Next to get the chop is Fairy Tale of New York over the inclusion of the word "******". These type of people won't be happy until all Christians are executed I think.

If only we were that lucky not to have fairytale of new york inflicted on us every 15 minutes.

Outlaw Pete · 03-12-2018 9:50am

theguzman wrote: »

Next to get the chop is Fairy Tale of New York over the inclusion of the word "******".

Next on the list is Eartha Kitt, apparently, for portraying women as being materialistic and Mariah's in the their crosshairs too for having the cheek to want a man person.

I had actually thought this one was taking the piss, especially given her comments on I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus, but nope, bizarrely she's completely serious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpDnr2s9yxQ

WoollyRedHat · 03-12-2018 9:59am

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Next on the list is Eartha Kitt, apparently, for portraying women as being materialistic and Mariah's in the their crosshairs too for having the cheek to want a man person.

I had actually thought this one was taking the piss, especially given her comments on I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus, but nope, bizarrely she's completely serious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpDnr2s9yxQ

Surprise surprise the comments are disabled for her videos.. Can't take ridicule. These people scare me.

Captain Obvious · 03-12-2018 10:16am

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Next on the list is Eartha Kitt, apparently, for portraying women as being materialistic and Mariah's in the their crosshairs too for having the cheek to want a man person.

I had actually thought this one was taking the piss, especially given her comments on I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus, but nope, bizarrely she's completely serious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpDnr2s9yxQ

Of course she is. She is like the left version of Alex Jones. Made famous mainly by the threats of rape and murder made against her following her stupid game trope videos.

Cienciano · 03-12-2018 10:27am

touts wrote: »

Grandma got run over by a reindeer - Clear case of Elder abuse

I think this song should be banned. By all radio stations.

Captain Obvious · 03-12-2018 10:29am

I wonder when they will be editing the rapey scenes from the Bond movies. Has to be the next big outrage.

3DataModem · 03-12-2018 10:35am

greencap wrote: »

ok. actually a bit rapey. but only cause its a theatrical performance.

Really, nobody was following anything but the tune up until these loons started their shyte.

was anyone actually imagining these semi-rapey shenanigans?

that video is 10 times more graphic than anything i'd pictured when the song was in my head.

This movie is Neptune's Daughter, and the song is actually performed twice by two different couples with the words / roles reversed.

nullzero · 03-12-2018 10:35am

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I wonder when they will be editing the rapey scenes from the Bond movies. Has to be the next big outrage.

James Bond, the spy, who upon reflection engaged in what I now deem to have been unwanted sexual activity with me(my book will be in all major retailers before this storm in a teacup blows over).

Berserker · 03-12-2018 10:37am

theguzman wrote: »

Next to get the chop is Fairy Tale of New York over the inclusion of the word "******".

I can see this coming down the line and I'm surprised that it hasn't happened already. If you or I used that term in work today, we'd be in excrement up to our necks. I'd be delighted as I've grown to dislike the song over the last few years. "Do They Know It's Christmas" should be banned also. Something odd about drunk first world folk belting that out like it's a pop tune.

Plopsu · 03-12-2018 10:39am

"The Official thinking here is that we'll be open to playing an updated version of this song if someone was to modernise it to not be a male asking a female to reconsider and make it more relevant / easier to explain to kids who listen. Thats not Pro-Feminism in my opinion, but we've loads of other amazing songs we can play and its just not worth the hassle or our focus."

More mealy-mouthed, annoying and jumbled than the American station's reasons. Okay if a women does it, sexual harassment if a man does it.

whisky_galore · 03-12-2018 10:40am

Next: the Supreme Being aka God, criticized for non consentual behaviour in Galilee c. 0 AD.

nullzero · 03-12-2018 10:44am

whisky_galore wrote: »

Next: the Supreme Being aka God, criticized for non consentual behaviour in Galilee c. 0 AD.

He also forced Mary to have the baby, surely her choice should have been respected.

eviltimeban · 03-12-2018 11:07am

SingleMalt wrote: »

This is a song that should be embraced by feminists as it is not about a woman being 'manipulated' by a man but rather it is about a woman trying to break free of social convention. She wants to stay & have some fun but is afraid of being judged by family & society.

Exactly, and at that time the phrase "what's in this drink?" didn't refer to roofies or date rape, more like "this is stronger than I thought" / "I can't hold my drink".

I love Baby It's Cold Outside. I have the She & Him version on my Christmas playlist.

What I object to is the overplaying of the 70s / 80s Christmas songs - Shakin Stevens, Slade, Wizzard, Wham etc. Just sick of them. I know the popularity of Christmas songs peaked at that time, which is why there's so many of them, but there's been Christmas songs and albums since then - Smith & Burrows, for one. Why can't shops etc play those?

TCM · 03-12-2018 11:07am

P_1 wrote:

That horiffic Slade song would be nice.

P_1 wrote:

Actually for the sake of everyone who has had to work retail can we just ban the lot?

Don't know how somebody can stand at a counter and listen to dreadful xmas songs for over a month. Would drive me crazy.

eviltimeban · 03-12-2018 11:08am

TCM wrote: »

Don't know how somebody can stand at a counter and listen to dreadful xmas songs for over a month. Would drive me crazy.

I used to work in retail and the shop had one Christmas CD, which was played, on repeat, from 8am to 9.30pm every day, for a month before Christmas. I can still remember the tracklisting and I grew to hate every one of those songs. It took me years to get over it.

TCM · 03-12-2018 11:08am

theoneeyedman wrote:

Well.... she does call him a cheap lousy ******, clearly hate speech and should be banned as a result.

What a load of nonsense.

setanta1000 · 03-12-2018 11:08am

biko wrote: »

Snowflakes ruining everything

Except Christmas

vangoz · 03-12-2018 11:29am

Dr_serious2 wrote: »

Catholic Church did a lot of banning in its heyday. They also spent a lot of time telling people there was only one way to think on the issues of the day and that anyone who differed from it should be excluded from social discourse.

The 'tolerant' politically correct types can't see any similarities but they seem just the same to me.

Can you define what 'tolerant' politically correct type are exactly? And are you seriously comparing the what the Catholic church done to this non-issue?

TomSweeney · 03-12-2018 12:20pm

theguzman wrote: »

Next to get the chop is Fairy Tale of New York over the inclusion of the word "******". These type of people won't be happy until all Christians are executed I think.

Yep, and they are the same f*cking tools that will get a hard on over Islam.... ****ing mentally ill nutters

Anyway, what is it with the song ? why has it been axed ?

OK I looked it up, jesus h christ, what is wrong with people ?
I hope it gets to Christmas #1 now.

Cienciano · 03-12-2018 12:34pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Well fook them, I've just pulled Christmas FM from my car's presets.

You really showed them

Trigger Happy · 03-12-2018 12:35pm

Tempted to start inundating Christmas FM with request for some NWA seasonal ditties.

Zulu · 03-12-2018 1:00pm

Why don't we all commit to making a donation if the song is returned? We could raise a load of money for a good charity, and push back on the madness?

I'm committing over on the AMA thread. I'd encourage you all to follow suit.

RandomName2 · 03-12-2018 1:00pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

It's the cultural-Marxist-feminist axis again trying to ruin Christmas for the Broflakes.

You see kids, this is how to look edgy when complaining about .. people complaining about something. Just exaggerate the initial complaint as much as you can, and it will come across all ironic, like.

namloc1980 · 03-12-2018 1:02pm

RandomName2 wrote: »

You see kids, this is how to look edgy when complaining about .. people complaining about something. Just exaggerate the initial complaint as much as you can, and it will come across all ironic, like.

Cool.

Captain Obvious · 03-12-2018 1:12pm

Zulu wrote: »

Why don't we all commit to making a donation if the song is returned? We could raise a load of money for a good charity, and push back on the madness?

I'm committing over on the AMA thread. I'd encourage you all to follow suit.

Why? It's just a song. Is your Christmas ruined because it's not being played on Christmas FM this year?

03-12-2018 1:17pm

TCM wrote: »

Don't know how somebody can stand at a counter and listen to dreadful xmas songs for over a month. Would drive me crazy.

I do often wonder myself, it must get pretty horrendous pretty quickly.

However, just this morning I was in at a Centra deli. The counter was only opening and the staff were still setting out the salads and hot food. There was a cold, glum, waking atmosphere in the place as it was.

The first Monday of December, but it wasn't the Christmas tunes blaring, it was somehow...worse. I'm there waiting on my roll, and I notice that for some reason I feel my mood going downhill by the second. I come out of my daze to hone in on the music and actually listen to what's filling the room with sound, it's Harry Styles moaning 'Stop your crying it's a sign of the times' at unnecessary volume.

The 3 foreign lassies setting up to do trojan work at 7.20am, in their white coats and hair nets, staring down the barrel of the first day of the first week of a mental month...with that shíte hammering out. It was a real life experience which reminded me of Tommy Tiernan listening to Radiohead on the bus in Father Ted.

I'd take repetitive upbeat Christmas tunes while trying to adjust to a day's work than that depression fuel.

Zulu · 03-12-2018 1:27pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Why? It's just a song. Is your Christmas ruined because it's not being played on Christmas FM this year?

Ruined?!?

Hardly.

Why?

Because I like the song.
Because I think that it shouldn't be pulled.
Because I think the reason it's been pulled is pathetic.
Because I'm not afraid to put my money where my mouth is.
And because it's for a good charity.

Captain Obvious · 03-12-2018 1:33pm

Zulu wrote: »

Ruined?!?

Hardly.

Why?

Because I like the song.

Because I think that it shouldn't be pulled.

Because I think the reason it's been pulled is pathetic.

Because I'm not afraid to put my money where my mouth is.

And because it's for a good charity.

It just seems like such an inane cause to rally for.

Zulu · 03-12-2018 1:39pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

It just seems like such an inane cause to rally for.

But I like the song.

What's inane is suppressing the song. That's inane.

razorblunt · 03-12-2018 1:46pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

I used to work in retail and the shop had one Christmas CD, which was played, on repeat, from 8am to 9.30pm every day, for a month before Christmas. I can still remember the tracklisting and I grew to hate every one of those songs. It took me years to get over it.

Likewise, I worked retail all through school and Xmas. Towards the end I spent 4 years in one place, they had a 6CD changer but said they could only play those 6 cds. It took about 3 weeks before we convinced them to let us just change the order of the CDs or have a look for a shuffle button at least!

Suckit · 03-12-2018 2:04pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Next on the list is Eartha Kitt, apparently, for portraying women as being materialistic and Mariah's in the their crosshairs too for having the cheek to want a man person.

I had actually thought this one was taking the piss, especially given her comments on I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus, but nope, bizarrely she's completely serious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpDnr2s9yxQ

She just assumes Mariah Carey is singing about wanting a man.. How dare she.

And the irony of her calling something creepy..

Captain Obvious · 03-12-2018 2:28pm

Zulu wrote: »

But I like the song.

What's inane is suppressing the song. That's inane.

Suppressing it? A single seasonal station chose not to play it. This is like getting upset because the girl on the till in Tesco said "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas".

eviltimeban · 03-12-2018 2:30pm

razorblunt wrote: »

Likewise, I worked retail all through school and Xmas. Towards the end I spent 4 years in one place, they had a 6CD changer but said they could only play those 6 cds. It took about 3 weeks before we convinced them to let us just change the order of the CDs or have a look for a shuffle button at least!

6CDs? Luxury! This was one single CD. 12 - 14 songs. Over and over again.

PlaneSpeeking · 03-12-2018 2:34pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Suppressing it? A single seasonal station chose not to play it. This is like getting upset because the girl on the till in Tesco said "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas".

Not so.

If that happened it would likely be due to the company telling staff not to say Christmas.

They tried it in a mate's place a few years ago till the company owner came by and called the manager a "miserable ****" and said it was okay!

SeaFields · 03-12-2018 2:34pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

6CDs? Luxury! This was one single CD. 12 - 14 songs. Over and over again.

AHH likewise, one CD. And you could "hear" the next song before it actually started playing... such was the imprint on your brain.

PlaneSpeeking · 03-12-2018 2:35pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

6CDs? Luxury! This was one single CD. 12 - 14 songs. Over and over again.

One year we had a CD that had Gary Glitter's "Another Rock and Roll Christmas" on it.

The stampede to switch it over was almost funny!!!!!

Captain Obvious · 03-12-2018 2:55pm

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Not so.

If that happened it would likely be due to the company telling staff not to say Christmas.

They tried it in a mate's place a few years ago till the company owner came by and called the manager a "miserable ****" and said it was okay!

Management often tell employees what to wear and what to say. Why is this particular issue so triggering for people?

eviltimeban · 03-12-2018 2:55pm

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

One year we had a CD that had Gary Glitter's "Another Rock and Roll Christmas" on it.

The stampede to switch it over was almost funny!!!!!

Yep, that was on it. It started with Last Christmas. Can't remember exact order (it was 25 years ago) but included Slade, Band Aid, Wizzard, Shaky, Beach Boys, Nat King Cole, McCartney, Lennon, Elton John, Mud, Chris De Burgh, "Stop The Cavalry", and the last song was White Christmas. I think Mike Oldfield was on it but I can't be certain. Similar about Johnny Mathis.

I actually quite liked the Nat King Cole and Bing Crosby songs; they felt like a break from the rest. Often I would disappear into the back store room to give my brain a chance to recover.

This shop used to also have TV screens with cartoons on repeat - two cartoons, Jungle Book and Aladdin. I got to know the scripts for those off by heart as well.

Good times.

Cienciano · 03-12-2018 2:59pm

Zulu wrote: »

Why don't we all commit to making a donation if the song is returned? We could raise a load of money for a good charity, and push back on the madness?

I'm committing over on the AMA thread. I'd encourage you all to follow suit.

TBH, I'd pay them money to keep it off air. The "It's pc gone maaaaaad" lot and the slippery slope "what'll they ban next..." brigade are worse.

whisky_galore · 03-12-2018 3:03pm

vangoz wrote: »

Can you define what 'tolerant' politically correct type are exactly? And are you seriously comparing the what the Catholic church done to this non-issue?

Those ones preaching tolerance but in the same breath telling us what is and what isn't good for us. Overly PC twats and militant vegans I would place in this camp.

Keyzer · 03-12-2018 3:28pm

In fairness, if you read the lyrics, they do sound a bit Josef Fritzely...

Zulu · 03-12-2018 3:31pm

Cienciano wrote: »

TBH, I'd pay them money to keep it off air. The "It's pc gone maaaaaad" lot and the slippery slope "what'll they ban next..." brigade are worse.

So put-up or shut-up!

Counter my offer, donate to the charity!

Or are you just all talk?

PlaneSpeeking · 03-12-2018 3:34pm

Keyzer wrote: »

In fairness, if you read the lyrics, they do sound a bit Josef Fritzely...

Yeah, bit of flirtation, that's the same as locking up your daughter in a basement and raping her repeatedly.

eviltimeban · 03-12-2018 3:52pm

He clearly asks for consent in the first verse ("mind if I move in closer?").

Keyzer · 03-12-2018 3:55pm

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Yeah, bit of flirtation, that's the same as locking up your daughter in a basement and raping her repeatedly.

:P:P:P

ELM327 · 03-12-2018 3:56pm

Usual PC nonsense.
I wonder how much one would have to donate in order for them to overturn their decision.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 03-12-2018 4:18pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

The Pogues & Kirsty MacColl did a version of it for the BBC in the early '90s, where "cheap lousy faggot" was replaced with "you're cheap and you're haggard" (same as the iconic Ronan Keating version). I'm sure nobody would have an issue with that...

Reminds me of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QClC-W8Znto

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

I do, **** your censorship

If it was for Top of the Pops, I guess it was pre-watershed. The options were probably either bleeping out the word ‘fäggot’ or changing the lyrics. I'd prefer the former solution to the latter myself but oh well.

RabbleRouser2k · 03-12-2018 9:39pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Of course she is. She is like the left version of Alex Jones. Made famous mainly by the threats of rape and murder made against her following her stupid game trope videos.

Alleged rape and death threats-her and Zoe Quinn alleged they received those threats, but provided no evidence of such. I believe they were told off for wasting police time.

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Yeah, bit of flirtation, that's the same as locking up your daughter in a basement and raping her repeatedly.

The lyrics are from an a different ear-with different meaning. Just as in Grease when 'tell me more, tell me more, did she put up a fight' doesn't mean she was held down and sexually assaulted. It means these guys are braggarts who have barely even kissed a girl, never mind anything else.
The whole song is them lying and one upping each other in terms of trying to look like the 'big dude'.

If people ban Fairytale of New York, folks will go f***ing apespit. The 'scumbag, you maggot, you cheap lousy f****t' isn't directed at any sexuality, merely words you'd say at someone when angry-tbh, it's brutally honest as a song.
If folks try and cut that out, they're idiots. They're denying reality- far worse is said on the streets every day.

Christmas FM to pull 'Baby it's Cold Outside'

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