FAI were paid after Thierry Henry handball, says John Delaney

Roger_007 · 05-06-2015 11:36am

suicide_circus wrote: »

So john delany is on €410k per year yet dennis obrien pays for the coach?

Soooo.......how much is it to hire a bus?

Menas · 05-06-2015 11:39am

raymann wrote: »

people are forgetting what was really dodgy about those playoffs was the seeding being changed so that portugal and france did not play each other. that was done at the 11th hour under the shadiest possible circumstances.

that and the handball made irelands case for a replay, and was something that fifa was desperate to not have bought up and analysed in court as it opens the door to fifa having specific goals and objectives for specific teams.

the 'fair play to him' brigade on here and elsewhere make me sick. this is mickey mouse backward stuff that i come to expect from people in powerful places in this country. oh year and just to put everything in context delaney is on €410k a year. more than his spanish and italian counterparts combined.

It does seem rich that Delaney is on about the need to reform FIFA when he ignored most of the findings of The Genesis Report and the need to reform within the FAI.

And dont worry, some of us will never forget that slight of hand about the seeding.

raymann · 05-06-2015 11:50am

Menas wrote: »

It does seem rich that Delaney is on about the need to reform FIFA when he ignored most of the findings of The Genesis Report and the need to reform within the FAI.

And dont worry, some of us will never forget that slight of hand about the seeding.

the fact is that all of this stuff is more sophisticated that people just trousering money, which seems to be the black and white kind of action that people on here are looking for.

delaney, the worlds highest paid football administrator, choose to take the cash rather than rock the boat. how is that acceptable from someone in his position? he should be looking at jail.

Dan_Solo · 05-06-2015 11:54am

Calvin and Hobbes wrote: »

JoWhen people look at lads like Jack Warner and laugh at how they can still be supported in their own countries, remember we have John Delaney. He is just as ludicrous.

Best point ever about Delaney. For all the "how can they vote for that crook Blatter" we keep hearing, remember all those allegedly sound lads across the FAI are keeping this looney crook in a job.

anncoates · 05-06-2015 11:54am

Should be easy enough to clear up I would have thought.

It should be included in the accounts for that year and if it was used to reduce the debts around Landsdowne Road, it should surely show up there, not being an inconsequential sum.

Shouldn't it.

Dan_Solo · 05-06-2015 11:55am

suicide_circus wrote: »

So john delany is on €410k per year yet dennis obrien pays for the coach?

By which you mean "we pay for the coach".

Roger_007 · 05-06-2015 11:57am

anncoates wrote: »

Should be easy enough to clear up I would have thought.

It should be included in the accounts for that year and if it was used to reduce the debts around Landsdowne Road, it should surely show up there, not being an inconsequential sum.

Shouldn't it.

If it doesn't appear in the accounts, then there are many more questions to answer.:eek:

Dan_Solo · 05-06-2015 11:58am

Roger_007 wrote: »

The whole debacle of the Henry handball is one of the most embarrassing episodes ever for this country. The antics of Delaney made me ashamed to be Irish. It is now made even worse by the fact that FAI were 'paid off' by FIFA to keep them from whinging.
There was never any possibility of a court case. If that were the case, every other match would end up in court over some referring decision.
Delaney is a national embarrassment, and a vastly overpaid one at that.

But the conclusion then is that there was some other stuff FIFA well very keen to keep out of court. The handball itself was likely only the PR end of the FAI's begging bowl for a payoff.

raymann · 05-06-2015 12:07pm

anncoates wrote: »

Should be easy enough to clear up I would have thought.

It should be included in the accounts for that year and if it was used to reduce the debts around Landsdowne Road, it should surely show up there, not being an inconsequential sum.

Shouldn't it.

thats the wrong think to focus on. even hes not stupid enough to try and steal the money. the issue here is at a key moment he had the ability to put fifa on the spot about the way certain teams are favoured over others, in this case the country he works for.

instead he choose to take the money and not rock the boat. this is the worlds highest paid football administrator, hes already robbing everyone blind.

Warper · 05-06-2015 12:12pm

This only came about after the whole corruption/whistle blower thing. Delaney is afraid that the FAI might be implicated in any admissions. Why was this not disclosed when it happened and why is there no specific mention of it in the financial statements when it happened.

There is no specific record of where the money went. This is as corrupt of any FIFA scandal, you can be sure that some of the money found its way into some deep pockets. Delaney has to go because of this along with the others who obviously benefitted from this.

Menas · 05-06-2015 12:13pm

Roger_007 wrote: »

If it doesn't appear in the accounts, then there are many more questions to answer.:eek:

It could only be hidden by someone who is a skilled accountant...perhaps someone who was Financial controller of the FAI at some stage.
Oh wait.....

Dan_Solo · 05-06-2015 12:16pm

Warper wrote: »

Delaney has to go because of this along with the others who obviously benefitted from this.

But like all the politicians etc who "have to go" they will just wander off without a care in the world.
He should go to jail and have his a huge fine. Won't happen.

foxtrot101 · 05-06-2015 1:14pm

To paraphrase the man himself...

Blatter Delaney has had a hell of a run at it. But surely he knows, in his private moments, he must know, that outside of the voting chambers, that the world, the football public, the players and supporters, want change.

Delaney really does have a stunning lack of self awareness.

whiskeyman · 05-06-2015 1:17pm

The ironing would be delicious is we managed to qualify for the Euros, but then get kicked out because of this €5m scandal...

suicide_circus · 05-06-2015 1:29pm

whiskeyman wrote: »

The ironing would be delicious is we managed to qualify for the Euros, but then get kicked out because of this €5m scandal...

Then delany will be forced to resign on an obscene pansion and massive golden handshake.

sbsquarepants · 05-06-2015 1:40pm

Roger_007 wrote: »

The whole debacle of the Henry handball is one of the most embarrassing episodes ever for this country. The antics of Delaney made me ashamed to be Irish. It is now made even worse by the fact that FAI were 'paid off' by FIFA to keep them from whinging.
There was never any possibility of a court case. If that were the case, every other match would end up in court over some referring decision.
Delaney is a national embarrassment, and a vastly overpaid one at that.

I'm confused here.
You say yourself Delaney didn't really have a leg to stand on - yet he somehow managed to wangle 5 million out of fifa. Where I come from that's called a fúcking good result.

osarusan · 05-06-2015 1:43pm

I actually think the FAI did fairly well out of it, but if there is any possibility of a controversy that means Delaney has to go, then I am outraged by it.

Roger_007 · 05-06-2015 1:47pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I'm confused here.
You say yourself Delaney didn't really have a leg to stand on - yet he somehow managed to wangle 5 million out of fifa. Where I come from that's called a fúcking good result.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. If he did get 5 million, there would be strings attached. This is what we need to know. Also, what happened to the money? Why does it not appear in the accounts?

diomed · 05-06-2015 2:35pm

Roger_007 wrote: »

Why does it not appear in the accounts?

It probably does .... in the Profit & Loss Account as a performance related bonus.

FalconGirl · 05-06-2015 4:21pm

Why would he announce this right now just as FIFA are under huge scrutiny. More to this than meets the eye I think.

Also John Delaney is very good friends with Denis O'Brien, another man who is under huge scrutiny over other issues at the moment hence J.D's platform in the independent where he has the platfrom to spout what he likes.

John Delaney could run Uefa :pac:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/exclusive-video-john-the-baptist-part-2-30565166.html

Dan_Solo · 05-06-2015 4:28pm

The 5m "loan" is about 0.1% believable. Until they said they wrote it off because Ireland didn't qualify. You'd want to be more moronic to believe somebody would put such a clause into a loan than to actually give out the loan in the first place.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 05-06-2015 4:37pm

osarusan wrote: »

I actually think the FAI did fairly well out of it, but if there is any possibility of a controversy that means Delaney has to go, then I am outraged by it.

I think it's time for a change regardless, the role really should be for a fixed term like 5 years. Delaney has been head of the organisation since 2004.

Aidric · 05-06-2015 4:57pm

Roger_007 wrote: »

There is no such thing as a free lunch. If he did get 5 million, there would be strings attached. This is what we need to know. Also, what happened to the money? Why does it not appear in the accounts?

It is in the accounts I'm sure but it seems to have been buried in turnover as opposed to being declared as an exceptional item.

VinLieger · 07-06-2015 12:45am

This sh1t was reported on a year ago but just everyone continue with their faux outrage

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/world-cup-fifa-bought-irish-silence-5m-pay-080222869--sow.html

Dan_Solo · 07-06-2015 5:08pm

VinLieger wrote: »

This sh1t was reported on a year ago but just everyone continue with their faux outrage

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/world-cup-fifa-bought-irish-silence-5m-pay-080222869--sow.html

So nobody can possibly be actually outraged?
Did the FAI admit to the payment when it was reported? Nope. So this is news.

VinLieger · 07-06-2015 5:15pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

So nobody can possibly be actually outraged?
Did the FAI admit to the payment when it was reported? Nope. So this is news.

Why was nobody outraged when it was originally revealed nearly a year ago? Why was there not the same public outcry then to find out if they did or not?

Anyway it doesnt matter, they are not accountable to anyone and they got a damn good deal as they had no legal leg to stand on no matter what delany will say. The only reason to be outraged is if it turns out the money was funneled into delany's and his cronies pockets but that has not been proven yet

Alibaba · 07-06-2015 5:22pm

What a pity there hasn't been a few more hand balls...

We could have paid off the National Debt ! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

foxtrot101 · 07-06-2015 8:58pm

VinLieger wrote: »

Why was nobody outraged when it was originally revealed nearly a year ago? Why was there not the same public outcry then to find out if they did or not?

The reason it was back in the news one year later is down to Delaney himself. He went on the Ray D'arcy Show last week and boasted about going into a meeting with Blatter, throwing a few expleptives around and walking out with 5 million. Hardly the wisest thing to bring up the same week the FBI is busting down FIFA's door.

The same Delaney who was preaching to the world about the need for transparency signed the confidentiality clause to keep that 5 million euro deal secret.

VinLieger · 07-06-2015 9:19pm

foxtrot101 wrote: »

The reason it was back in the news one year later is down to Delaney himself. He went on the Ray D'arcy Show last week and boasted about going into a meeting with Blatter, throwing a few expleptives around and walking out with 5 million. Hardly the wisest thing to bring up the same week the FBI is busting down FIFA's door.

The same Delaney who was preaching to the world about the need for transparency signed the confidentiality clause to keep that 5 million euro deal secret.

I know he went on the radio to do it but the fact is if any of the people complaining actually had an interest in any of this they would have known about the story a year ago instead behaving like the faux outrage bandwagoners they are jumping on board cus its the fashionable news story this week

What your saying is he should have turned down the 5 mil so he could tell everyone he was offered it but refused it cus he wanted to be transparent? The EXACT same people pissing and moaning about how it actually went down would be criticising him if he hadn't taken the 5 mil for that reason

phobia2011 · 08-06-2015 1:12pm

Personally can't understand the big issue, the money is accounted for, put towards our new national stadium.

The alternative is .......?

NachoBusiness · 08-06-2015 1:15pm

..Integrity.

VinLieger · 08-06-2015 1:32pm

NachoBusiness wrote: »

..Integrity.

Is overrated, also it doesn't cover the funding hole the FAI were experiencing with the Aviva at that time thanks to the recession

The Dark Side · 08-06-2015 1:37pm

It's most amusing watching the various commentators and media outlets attempting to whip themselves into a froth of indignation over this matter.

Nobody has quite managed to vocalise any sound arguments about what we're supposed to be outraged by exactly.

The fact that this story is a year old tells you all you need to know about it's importance, only reason it's being re-hashed is because of our tabloid media culture and the recent FIFA arrests on an unrelated matter.

osarusan · 08-06-2015 1:38pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I think it's time for a change regardless, the role really should be for a fixed term like 5 years. Delaney has been head of the organisation since 2004.

Sure. I want Delaney out for other reasons which I think are more serious and compelling than this.

But he wasn't ousted after those things, so if it takes some criticism over rebel songs or issues over payments+integrity to get him out, I am all for that.

lukesmom · 08-06-2015 3:43pm

He's great at his job nobody can deny that no matter how much you dislike john Delaney.

foggy_lad · 08-06-2015 3:45pm

phobia2011 wrote: »

Personally can't understand the big issue, the money is accounted for, put towards our new national stadium.

The alternative is .......?

It went into the Bertie bowl?

osarusan · 08-06-2015 3:47pm

lukesmom wrote: »

He's great at his job

He absolutely isn't.

Menas · 08-06-2015 3:47pm

lukesmom wrote: »

He's great at his job nobody can deny that no matter how much you dislike john Delaney.

Great by what measure?
The domestic league is dying a death. Teams have to pay for their own medals for our cup competitions.
Youth football is held together in spite of the FAI by the good work of unpaid volunteers. The main development opportunity is to hope that an English team signs our stars.
Most home international games are not sold out despite tickets been 30% cheaper than in 2007.
And yet Delaney is paid more than the chiefs of the Italian and Spanish FAs...combined.

Drumpot · 08-06-2015 3:57pm

The Dark Side wrote: »

It's most amusing watching the various commentators and media outlets attempting to whip themselves into a froth of indignation over this matter.

Nobody has quite managed to vocalise any sound arguments about what we're supposed to be outraged by exactly.

The fact that this story is a year old tells you all you need to know about it's importance, only reason it's being re-hashed is because of our tabloid media culture and the recent FIFA arrests on an unrelated matter.

Guilty by association seems to be the main motivation on this one.

Delaney got €5mil for nothing. That's it . . People can waffle about whether or not it should of been paid, but that's for FIFA to clarify, not the FAI. Why shouldn't the FAI take the money? What, because part of the deal is that they cant disclose the deal? Who cares if the funds are appropriated to the association?

And you are correct, people have gotten themselves all Joe Duffied up with rage, they actually don't know why they are so upset. Its not a crime to be a hypocrite. In fact, its one of the most common traits of EVERYBODY - self righteous indignation.

darkpagandeath · 08-06-2015 4:00pm

Drumpot wrote: »

Guilty by association seems to be the main motivation on this one.

Delaney got €5mil for nothing. That's it . . People can waffle about whether or not it should of been paid, but that's for FIFA to clarify, not the FAI. Why shouldn't the FAI take the money? What, because part of the deal is that they cant disclose the deal? Who cares if the funds are appropriated to the association?

And you are correct, people have gotten themselves all Joe Duffied up with rage, they actually don't know why they are so upset. Its not a crime to be a hypocrite. In fact, its one of the most common traits of EVERYBODY - self righteous indignation.

I thought the money was to not take legal proceedings ?

VinLieger · 08-06-2015 4:02pm

Menas wrote: »

Great by what measure?
The domestic league is dying a death. Teams have to pay for their own medals for our cup competitions.
Youth football is held together in spite of the FAI by the good work of unpaid volunteers. The main development opportunity is to hope that an English team signs our stars.
Most home international games are not sold out despite tickets been 30% cheaper than in 2007.
And yet Delaney is paid more than the chiefs of the Italian and Spanish FAs...combined.

Exactly, he by no metric is good at his job, hes just good at holding onto his position.

There's a great article about the FAI's bizarre mismanaging of the LOI here
http://www.the42.ie/john-o-sullivan-2091548-May2015/

Drumpot · 08-06-2015 4:05pm

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I thought the money was to not take legal proceedings ?

The money was to do nothing and say nothing . . . . The FAI were paid to do literally nothing ..

FAI were paid after Thierry Henry handball, says John Delaney

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