Zappi charge points

Stealthirl · 01-02-2019 2:39am

Could it have been frozen in place ?

Nedved85 · 01-02-2019 12:45pm

Zappi (Gen 1) - with a Type 2 connector ordered. Going to buy a Type 2 to Type 1 adapter.

Should hopefully have it installed by this time next week

Mickeroo · 01-02-2019 12:46pm

Nedved85 wrote: »

Zappi (Gen 1) - with a Type 2 connector ordered. Going to buy a Type 2 to Type 1 adapter.

Should hopefully have it installed by this time next week

Where did you order from if you don't mind me asking?

Nedved85 · 01-02-2019 12:50pm

Mickeroo wrote: »

Where did you order from if you don't mind me asking?

Getting the charger and harvi from thevecompany.com (Sister company of electricautos.ie) ==> http://theevcompany.com/product/zappi-charging-station-type-2-plug/

Sourcing the adapter as we speak - eBay most likely.

calnand · 08-02-2019 5:48pm

Does anyone find the so called ip44 rated caps are useless, ours is just accumulating water inside of it.

Cilar · 09-02-2019 2:15am

calnand wrote: »

Does anyone find the so called ip44 rated caps are useless, ours is just accumulating water inside of it.

Same

iniall · 10-02-2019 1:15pm

calnand wrote: »

Does anyone find the so called ip44 rated caps are useless, ours is just accumulating water inside of it.

Yep same here.

randombar · 10-02-2019 2:45pm

Hi guys, installed today. Any suggestions for settings?

From the manual I think eco plus plus set green to 100%

Then set boost timer for night saver?

Using it with the harvi.

unkel · 10-02-2019 4:04pm

Yes I think so. Eco plus sends all excess electricity to the car. Don't forget to plug in your car during the day

The only issue I can think of with the Zappi is that most EVs won't take less than 6A (1.4kW), so if your excess is say 1.3kW, it will go straight back to the grid and it will not charge the car at all.

Nice day for solar anyway. According to Accuweather the real feel temp is about -5C in Lucan at the moment, yet I've already generated 10kWh today (3.8kwp system)

I think a Zappi is next on my list too in the next few months...

Nedved85 · 10-02-2019 4:30pm

Pretty sweet, 10kwh is my daily house usage. Very good going for early February!

unkel · 10-02-2019 4:47pm

Yes, the average Irish household uses 3.5MWh per year (so just under 10kWh per day)

My 3.8kwp system produces more electricity than the average Irish household uses. That sentence is giving me a warm green feeling

A lot of hot water from the solar thermal today too...

randombar · 10-02-2019 6:40pm

unkel wrote: »

Yes I think so. Eco plus sends all excess electricity to the car. Don't forget to plug in your car during the day

The only issue I can think of with the Zappi is that most EVs won't take less than 6A (1.4kW), so if your excess is say 1.3kW, it will go straight back to the grid and it will not charge the car at all.

Nice day for solar anyway. According to Accuweather the real feel temp is about -5C in Lucan at the moment, yet I've already generated 10kWh today (3.8kwp system)

I think a Zappi is next on my list too in the next few months...

8.2 kWh myself from 3.3kw system.

The min excess of 1.4kw is annoying already, Eddi is next on the list.

Will need to have a think about the charging schedule too. Might leave off charging on a friday night and saturday night with the car plugged in Saturday and Sunday.

denismc · 10-02-2019 7:34pm

unkel wrote: »

Yes I think so. Eco plus sends all excess electricity to the car. Don't forget to plug in your car during the day

The only issue I can think of with the Zappi is that most EVs won't take less than 6A (1.4kW), so if your excess is say 1.3kW, it will go straight back to the grid and it will not charge the car at all.

Nice day for solar anyway. According to Accuweather the real feel temp is about -5C in Lucan at the moment, yet I've already generated 10kWh today (3.8kwp system)

I think a Zappi is next on my list too in the next few months...

The Eco setting will feed 1.4kw to the car and any shortfall is drawn from the grid so if you are producing 1.3 kW from PV you can still use it to charge the car, that's if you don't mind making up the shortfall from the grid.

randombar · 10-02-2019 8:13pm

denismc wrote: »

The Eco setting will feed 1.4kw to the car and any shortfall is drawn from the grid so if you are producing 1.3 kW from PV you can still use it to charge the car, that's if you don't mind making up the shortfall from the grid.

Ya I want to use excess and nightsaver rather than daytime rate.

denismc · 10-02-2019 8:58pm

GaryCocs wrote: »

Ya I want to use excess and nightsaver rather than daytime rate.

If more than 60% of your charge comes from PV then its still cheaper than night rate.

unkel · 10-02-2019 9:42pm

Thanks denismc, that is good to know. I guess there is no setting you can program that you want at least a certain power from the solar? I.e. you wouldn't want to charge the car in the dark (zero PV) at 1.4kW from the grid at the high day rate of electricity.

unkel · 10-02-2019 10:04pm

Trying to make a business case for myself to buy one. Need an untethered one (as I need to use a 15m length cable) and the new untethered model out this month is GBP695 (€795), which is frankly mad money for one. I can get my neighbour sparks to install it and I could sell my 7.2kW ABL unit for maybe €250, so still a net cost to me of €545

To break even, I would need to feed the car with almost 7000 kWh at a value of 8c (nightrate)/kWh with solar PV that I would lose to the grid for nothing otherwise. That's nearly 50k km driven. If I could exclusively charge the car with my own solar PV, it would take me 3 years to break even. Realistically more like 3 times that time, so getting closer to 10 years payback

Unless of course I would dramatically increase my solar PV. Not impossible.

spakman · 10-02-2019 10:32pm

unkel wrote: »

Trying to make a business case for myself to buy one. Need an untethered one (as I need to use a 15m length cable) and the new untethered model out this month is GBP695 (€795), which is frankly mad money for one. I can get my neighbour sparks to install it and I could sell my 7.2kW ABL unit for maybe €250, so still a net cost to me of €545

To break even, I would need to feed the car with almost 7000 kWh at a value of 8c (nightrate)/kWh with solar PV that I would lose to the grid for nothing otherwise. That's nearly 50k km driven. If I could exclusively charge the car with my own solar PV, it would take me 3 years to break even. Realistically more like 3 times that time, so getting closer to 10 years payback

Unless of course I would dramatically increase my solar PV. Not impossible.

Look at it practically. if you can afford it and it makes life easier, do it. Not everthing in life has to make sense on a spreadsheet.

unkel · 10-02-2019 10:41pm

I know what you're saying, but I have a perfectly fine charger, replacing it with a Zappi wouldn't make my life any easier. It wouldn't be better for the environment either. So it would have to make financial sense to do it. Not 100% so, as I see it as a toy too for playing with, which is worth something to me, but it would mostly have to make sense too.

denismc · 10-02-2019 10:56pm

unkel wrote: »

Thanks denismc, that is good to know. I guess there is no setting you can program that you want at least a certain power from the solar? I.e. you wouldn't want to charge the car in the dark (zero PV) at 1.4kW from the grid at the high day rate of electricity.

There is an eco+ mode where you can set the percentage of power coming from the panels vs the grid, so you can set it so 80% of you power comes from PV and the rest from the grid.
And the price increase for the new units is a lot for what seems to be a cosmetic change.

When I ordered my unit l got it with an 8m tethered cable so if you contact Myenergi they may still have some of the older units and they maybe able to put 15m cable on it.

unkel · 10-02-2019 11:36pm

I just sent them an email. Will update here with any reply I get.

Are there any other smart chargers out there that can work with a solar PV system?

stimpson · 10-02-2019 11:49pm

The manual is up here lads. Can be handy trying to figure out exactly how it works in different configurations

https://myenergi.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/zappi-manual-v1.2.pdf

unkel · 11-02-2019 2:27pm

Got reply from Myenergi, basically they can not do the current model Zappi with a different length tethered cable other than 5m or 8m. The new Zappi (untethered) will ship from sometime next month and you can pre-order it.

At GBP695 (EUR795) it is too rich for me. I'll leave it.

Gumbo · 11-02-2019 2:48pm

unkel wrote: »

Got reply from Myenergi, basically they can not do the current model Zappi with a different length tethered cable other than 5m or 8m. The new Zappi (untethered) will ship from sometime next month and you can pre-order it.

At GBP695 (EUR795) it is too rich for me. I'll leave it.

€795 outlay.
Ill get the 600 grant once I get back into an EV.

running cost 195

Get the Zappi fitted.
Maybe have to pay my mate a night out fee, lets say 100 for sign off.
running cost 295

then sell my immaculate condition ABL unit
maybe 200 ish?

total outlay €95 ish.....

worth considering now

unkel · 11-02-2019 2:51pm

You can still get the old model. Your total outlay would be zero for that

Anyone know is there any difference at all technically between old and new model?

randombar · 11-02-2019 2:59pm

Page 29 of manual:

zappi has an input which can be used to sense the availability of economy tariff electricity, this can be used to automatically
boost the charge when in ECO or ECO+ charging modes.
The eSENSE input is electrically isolated and effectively draws no current so the cable size is not important. An AC voltage
between 100V and 260V across the L and N terminals of the eSENSE input cause the economy tariff symbol to be shown
on the main screen. The eSENSE Earth terminal is not required to be connected.
See eSense Input on page 19 for details of how to configure the eSENSE input.

Does this work in Ireland? How can they detect you're on nightsaver by the current coming in? Sounds strange.

Nedved85 · 11-02-2019 3:09pm

unkel wrote: »

You can still get the old model. Your total outlay would be zero for that

Anyone know is there any difference at all technically between old and new model?

Not sure. They didn't make it very clear in their promo video for the new one either.

Part of me thinks they made the gen 2 to up the price.

I just went with a gen 1 in the end. Nice bit cheaper and it seems to do the same thing.

Mickeroo · 11-02-2019 3:09pm

unkel wrote: »

Got reply from Myenergi, basically they can not do the current model Zappi with a different length tethered cable other than 5m or 8m. The new Zappi (untethered) will ship from sometime next month and you can pre-order it.

At GBP695 (EUR795) it is too rich for me. I'll leave it.

I'm guessing this is a stupid question as you'd probably just do it if it was possible/not extremely dangerous but can you not plug a type 2 to type 2 cable into the end of the tethered cable to extend it?

Gumbo · 11-02-2019 3:35pm

unkel wrote: »

You can still get the old model. Your total outlay would be zero for that

Anyone know is there any difference at all technically between old and new model?

I assume an issue will be if I ever changed again to an EV with a different type connector? (Gen 1 Zappi being tethered)
For example, if I had this unit with my Leaf, is the same connector used on the i3?

Type 2 - Type 2.

Nedved85 · 11-02-2019 3:37pm

I bought a Type 2 Gen 1 Zappi with a Type 2 to Type 1 adapter for about €140 delivered. yet to test it out but will let ye know when I do

randombar · 11-02-2019 7:14pm

GaryCocs wrote: »

Page 29 of manual:

Does this work in Ireland? How can they detect you're on nightsaver by the current coming in? Sounds strange.

So support were back:

This will work anywhere that has two separate meters. One for normal daytime useage and one for the cheaper tariff. It requires a wired connection from the cheaper tariff meter to the zappi and then whenever that meter goes live (say between midnight and 7am) there will be a voltage across the esense terminals so zappi knows it can charge.

Most properties now have one dual tariff meter so it's usually easier just to set the boost timer in zappi to correspond with those times which reaches the same result.

Anyone know about event log details, what they mean?

00:00 Evse ready
00:00 Charging
04:10 Evse ready
04:11 Pilot pb !
04:11 Evse ready
04:12 Evse ready
07:00 Evse ready
07:44 Stand-by

Silent Running · 11-02-2019 7:17pm

unkel wrote: »

Got reply from Myenergi, basically they can not do the current model Zappi with a different length tethered cable other than 5m or 8m. The new Zappi (untethered) will ship from sometime next month and you can pre-order it.

At GBP695 (EUR795) it is too rich for me. I'll leave it.

Get your DIY on.

https://www.ioniqforum.com/forum/234-hyundai-ioniq-electric-ev/32480-home-made-zappi-trickle-charger.html

unkel · 11-02-2019 10:39pm

Very cool solution and very cheap too

Bit messy though having to use the granny cable and putting out the light sensor every time you want to charge. I'd be happier with a hands-off fully automatic procedure.

Maybe we should setup a dedicated thread for ways to charge your EV with PV anyway? I believe you can do it with a Garo charger too and even with the Open EVSE project?

Stealthirl · 12-02-2019 3:38am

Nedved85 wrote: »

I bought a Type 2 Gen 1 Zappi with a Type 2 to Type 1 adapter for about €140 delivered. yet to test it out but will let ye know when I do

Thats what i did,no issues

randombar · 12-02-2019 10:34pm

Need to extend the CT clamp wiring from PV output using cat 6. Do I just join the wires with the usual wire joiner or what's the story?

stimpson · 12-02-2019 10:45pm

GaryCocs wrote: »

Need to extend the CT clamp wiring from PV output using cat 6. Do I just join the wires with the usual wire joiner or what's the story?

If it was me I’d solder it with a linesman splice, then use heat shrink wrap, but TBH it’s overkill. If they are not going to be put under any mechanics stress or exposed to moisture then you’re probably ok to twist them together and wrap in insulating tape.

MM3 · 13-02-2019 6:37pm

Hi Folks

What do you think is a reasonable charge to install the zappi? I’ve a fairly standard semi with fuse box in hall backing on to gable wall with meter, so probably the most straightforward install going. I’ve got two quotes so far , 380 and 450 plus VAT - seems excessive to me. BTW I’m in Dublin

unkel · 13-02-2019 9:52pm

Crazy. It's the same work as installing an outside socket. Cable, ducting, RCBO and materials would be well under €100 and it would take someone who does them regularly 1-1.5 hours

Have you no friendly electrician in the family / friends / neighbours?

daheff · 13-02-2019 9:54pm

MM3 wrote: »

Hi Folks

What do you think is a reasonable charge to install the zappi? I’ve a fairly standard semi with fuse box in hall backing on to gable wall with meter, so probably the most straightforward install going. I’ve got two quotes so far , 380 and 450 plus VAT - seems excessive to me. BTW I’m in Dublin

I’m in a similar position, and I’m getting same(if not worse) quotes

I guess there is a cost for testing & certifying afterwards too.

denismc · 14-02-2019 12:41am

I have posted it here previously and on the electrical forum, but there seems to be a shortage of electricians in Ireland at the moment, I contacted 14 and only managed to get a single quote!:eek:
There seems to be a bit of a mini-building boom going on at the moment and I guess this is where all the electricians are at, I guess all the little jobs aren't worth their while right now.
I ended up getting Nigel Daly in the end after a load of faffing about.

cgc5483 · 14-02-2019 10:25am

daheff wrote: »

I’m in a similar position, and I’m getting same(if not worse) quotes

I guess there is a cost for testing & certifying afterwards too.

I was looking recently and cheapest quote I got for install only was 315 (incl VAT). I ended up going for a supply/install for €950. Very happy with it and would recommend. Send me a pm if you want the details.

unkel · 14-02-2019 10:30am

For a Zappi?

cgc5483 · 14-02-2019 11:37am

unkel wrote: »

For a Zappi?

Not sure who that was directed at but in my case was a Zappi.

unkel · 14-02-2019 12:18pm

EUR950 incl VAT is probably one of the better quotes I have seen for a Zappi. Less the EUR600 subsidy too, so only net EUR350 cost to you

dhaumi · 15-02-2019 7:44pm

I contacted a few electricians. It is clear that they are busy with jobs and this one is not an attractive one to them. I managed to get 2 quotes and ended up paying 400€ incl VAT to install the Zappi and Harvi. This includes the trunking inside and outside the house and labor which I believe took roughly 4 hours. I live in Cork.

SteM · 20-02-2019 8:08pm

We got our zappi installed at the end of January. I was looking at the charging log for February today and it's reading 12289.15kWh

We wouldn't do high mileage.

Does that reading sound right?

Silent Running · 20-02-2019 8:14pm

SteM wrote: »

We got our zappi installed at the end of January. I was looking at the charging log for February today and it's reading 12289.15kWh

We wouldn't do high mileage.

Does that reading sound right?

That looks a bit odd. It shows no power taken from the grid. It's possible that the grid sensor is is incorrectly wired. Also the number of days is wayyyyy off.

SteM · 20-02-2019 8:15pm

Silent Running wrote: »

That looks a bit odd. It shows no power taken from the grid. It's possible that the grid sensor is is incorrectly wired.

It must be because we only pull from the grid. No solar panels yet.

Silent Running · 20-02-2019 8:16pm

SteM wrote: »

It must be because we only pull from the grid. No solar panels yet.

But the charger is saying that nothing came from the grid. Something is bass ackward.

SteM · 20-02-2019 8:23pm

Even the amount 12289.15kWh seems very high for less than a month. As you say, the amount of days is way off too.

Zappi charge points

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