* Motors chat - round 12 *

22-06-2019 8:56pm

CIP4 wrote: »

Started car shopping hard to take some of the trade in offers though I thought I was being realistic in what my own car was worth but can’t even get close to that figure. It’s not even the money it’s more the principle of the fact they are completely low balling ....

Trading in against what sort of stuff?

CIP4 · 22-06-2019 9:29pm

Augeo wrote: »

Trading in against what sort of stuff?

Stuff with 300bhp is the main criteria :pac: turning 25 soon so have decided if I am changing the car I am properly changing it for something a little bit mad I wouldn’t normally pick. I have even ruled out the Golf GTI PP 245bhp as I think it might be too tame.

wotzgoingon · 22-06-2019 10:32pm

CIP4 wrote: »

Stuff with 300bhp is the main criteria :pac: turning 25 soon so have decided if I am changing the car I am properly changing it for something a little bit mad I wouldn’t normally pick. I have even ruled out the Golf GTI PP 245bhp as I think it might be too tame.

I wish I could afford something like that. Anyone ever try to price insurance on a S2K for the laugh. Chill looking for 2k, madness.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 22-06-2019 10:38pm

Sorry to take over CIP here, which I think is mad dealers are being bastards about trade in value

But I'm about to pay for a flight to go see the last Volvo I linked

Is that mileage too suspect that I shouldn't or will I take a gamble on the car ?

CIP4 · 22-06-2019 10:44pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Sorry to take over CIP here, which I think is mad dealers are being bastards about trade in value

But I'm about to pay for a flight to go see the last Volvo I linked

Is that mileage too suspect that I shouldn't or will I take a gamble on the car ?

Could you get them to send you on a scan of the service history before traveling or is there any other cars around that area you could line up to view that would reduce the risk of you coming home empty handed.

That cars looks straight enough but you can only tell so much from photos.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 22-06-2019 10:45pm

CIP4 wrote: »

Could you get them to send you on a scan of the service history before traveling or is there any other cars around that area you could line up to view that would reduce the risk of you coming home empty handed.

That cars looks straight enough but you can only tell so much from photos.

Bit late at the moment for that because I really only have tomorrow to do this.

It looks straight and the garage seems to have good reviews on autotrader from people !

Sitting here with itchy fingers looking at an Aer lingus flight in the morning !

James Bond Junior · 22-06-2019 10:49pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Bit late at the moment for that because I really only have tomorrow to do this.

It looks straight and the garage seems to have good reviews on autotrader from people !

Sitting here with itchy fingers looking at an Aer lingus flight in the morning !

MOT history shows tyres cracking as an issue which would suggest it has sat up for extended periods of time hence the low mileage. Could be worth a punt alright.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 22-06-2019 10:52pm

James Bond Junior wrote: »

MOT history shows tyres cracking as an issue which would suggest it has sat up for extended periods of time hence the low mileage. Could be worth a punt alright.

Well that's that so

Booking flight......

James Bond Junior · 22-06-2019 10:53pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Well that's that so

Booking flight......

I guess you'll want your VIDA DICE back so!

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 22-06-2019 10:56pm

James Bond Junior wrote: »

I guess you'll want your VIDA DICE back so!

Ooh, I think I might !

50 quid is it ? Ha

James Bond Junior · 22-06-2019 10:57pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Ooh, I think I might !

50 quid is it ? Ha

If you say so!

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 22-06-2019 10:57pm

James Bond Junior wrote: »

If you say so!

I'm a nice guy like that ðŸ˜‚

22-06-2019 11:11pm

CIP4 wrote: »

..... I have even ruled out the Golf GTI PP 245bhp as I think it might be too tame.

Indeed, fast but as you say tame.
I'd a gti at a nav indicated 140mph several times a couple of weekends ago... You'd not be getting much kicks from one after a while. And they're just a golf too of course.
I'd be a very very average pilot.... Even to me it was fun but not anyway mad.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 22-06-2019 11:18pm

Augeo wrote: »

Indeed, fast but as you say tame.
I'd a gti at a nav indicated 140mph several times a couple of weekends ago... You'd not be getting much kicks from one after a while. And they're just a golf too of course.
I'd be a very very average pilot.... Even to me it was fun but not anyway mad.

I think it's great to have that sort of power in a car, but in this country it's just too risky to put the boot down,

I'm not even in my 30's and I've already gone past the speed side of it and am going for comfort.

But don't get me wrong, CIP4 is right to enjoy while they can !

I just can't believe main dealers are being such thriving hooers about it. I know a guy that traded in a 151 car recently, small petrol and only got 3K for it.

CIP4 · 22-06-2019 11:24pm

Augeo wrote: »

Indeed, fast but as you say tame.
I'd a gti at a nav indicated 140mph several times a couple of weekends ago... You'd not be getting much kicks from one after a while. And they're just a golf too of course.
I'd be a very very average pilot.... Even to me it was fun but not anyway mad.

Going between the Leon Cupra, S3, Golf R so to be fair are all normal hatches but at the same time when you floor them you get stuck to the seat and get the ‘wow’ feeling a Golf GTI just isn’t going to quite give you. That level is kind of as far as I am willing to push it as they are still somewhat practical and reliable everyday cars. So kind of a mad car to be me but probably not to many others.

22-06-2019 11:47pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

I think it's great to have that sort of power in a car, but in this country it's just too risky to put the boot down,

I'm not even in my 30's and I've already gone past the speed side of it and am going for comfort.

...

Yeah....i was in Germany

22-06-2019 11:48pm

CIP4 wrote: »

Going between the Leon Cupra, S3, Golf R so to be fair are all normal hatches but at the same time when you floor them you get stuck to the seat and get the ‘wow’ feeling a Golf GTI just isn’t going to quite give you. That level is kind of as far as I am willing to push it as they are still somewhat practical and reliable everyday cars. So kind of a mad car to be me but probably not to many others.

would you not go m3 or 335i even?

Noccy_Mondy · 23-06-2019 10:39am

CIP4 wrote: »

Started car shopping hard to take some of the trade in offers though I thought I was being realistic in what my own car was worth but can’t even get close to that figure. It’s not even the money it’s more the principle of the fact they are completely low balling and would probably take it in give it a wash and throw it on the forecourt with 5k added onto the price.

Plus a lot of dealers seem to have this that’s the price take it or leave it attitude which I haven’t experienced before really.

Sure it's only worth scrap value

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 23-06-2019 12:46pm

Quick one lads, engine temp sitting around

95-98c on the obd reader

Fans do come on and turn off closer to lower temp

Coolant not bubbling

Any thoughts ?

wotzgoingon · 23-06-2019 1:01pm

What's the problem?

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 23-06-2019 1:02pm

wotzgoingon wrote: »

What's the problem?

Would that be considered an issue for head gasket or is that fine ?

wotzgoingon · 23-06-2019 1:09pm

That's normal. Cars run a optimal temperature controlled by thermostat.

https://www.google.ie/search?source=hp&ei=G2oPXdElsenGA4vJisgE&q=cars+temperature+range&oq=cars+temperature+range&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0i22i30l10.5272.24973..25335...3.0..0.157.2354.23j2......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..35i39j0i131j0j0i22i10i30.DCt7tabEbdg

carsfan2 · 23-06-2019 1:24pm

CIP4 wrote: »

Started car shopping hard to take some of the trade in offers though I thought I was being realistic in what my own car was worth but can’t even get close to that figure. It’s not even the money it’s more the principle of the fact they are completely low balling and would probably take it in give it a wash and throw it on the forecourt with 5k added onto the price.

Plus a lot of dealers seem to have this that’s the price take it or leave it attitude which I haven’t experienced before really.

Give us an idea of what you think your car is worth and what you’re being offered against what cars.
As I said previously what dealers actually offer you is generally what it’s worth not the figure you have in your head. It’s painful process though.

Sexual Chocolate · 23-06-2019 2:41pm

Anyone know what type of gearbox is the Fluence auto ?

GustavoFring · 23-06-2019 2:47pm

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

Anyone know what type of gearbox is the Fluence auto ?

Dual clutch on the diesels at least I think. Isn't that bad to drive for what it is tbh.

punisher5112 · 23-06-2019 3:30pm

Mégane and fluence are actually a nice drive and comfortable....

Bit small for me but eating up the miles....

Had a tip yesterday where bumper, wing, full light smashed and tyre.....

This is now any car I've had longer then a month I've been in a crash apart from all the pick ups I had and 4x4 bar one....

Ugh more time taken to get it sorted.

Use to only keep a car a few weeks at most...

_Kaiser_ · 23-06-2019 3:34pm

Passed 375,000km last night on the drive home

Fantastic machine!

Leonard Hofstadter · 23-06-2019 6:10pm

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Would that be considered an issue for head gasket or is that fine ?

What car and engine have you got?

It's probably perfectly normal, many modern engines run hotter to try and improve fuel efficiency.

Map controlled thermostats are not new technology, my car is 16 years old and runs anywhere between 82 and 98 degrees depending on how it's driven (it will run cooler when the engine is under higher load so that more power can be extracted from the engine, it will run as high as 98 degrees under very gentle engine loads to improve fuel consumption since the power isn't needed, most of the time the coolant is in the low to mid 90s). Some BMW petrol engines are set to run as high as 109 degrees under light engine load.

CIP4 · 23-06-2019 9:54pm

Noccy_Mondy wrote: »

Sure it's only worth scrap value

carsfan2 wrote: »

Give us an idea of what you think your car is worth and what you’re being offered against what cars.
As I said previously what dealers actually offer you is generally what it’s worth not the figure you have in your head. It’s painful process though.

So basically being offered about 20k for it on a trade in the lower end of what I would been happy to take for it is about 23k. To be fair I know just looking at that and not what kind of value the car your buying is, is a bit of an over simplification.

To be fair there is one dealer that has a car I am interested in that said they would ring around to see what’s the best they can do. I think what makes it difficult is the fact I still actually like the A4 and it’s a perfect car in great condition with no issues but equally I am in my 20s and now is the time to buy something a little crazy.

If I can’t get anymore than 20k for my own car I will keep it till the end of the year and then go searching again at least it will feel like I have gotten more value out of it by then.

olestoepoke · 23-06-2019 10:01pm

Hi guys , the wife is thinking of buying a Renault captur low miles 2016. Are they a good motor? reliable.I know nothing about cars but do remember Renault having a bad name when I was a kid. Thanks in advance

punisher5112 · 23-06-2019 10:04pm

olestoepoke wrote: »

Hi guys , the wife is thinking of buying a Renault captur low miles 2016. Are they a good motor? reliable.I know nothing about cars but do remember Renault having a bad name when I was a kid. Thanks in advance

Yes quite a good car these days, bit on small side just higher so looks bigger....

I never thought I would say Renault are good but they are quite reliable and are a comfortable place to be....

crasy dash · 23-06-2019 10:19pm

olestoepoke wrote: »

Hi guys , the wife is thinking of buying a Renault captur low miles 2016. Are they a good motor? reliable.I know nothing about cars but do remember Renault having a bad name when I was a kid. Thanks in advance

That day is gone Renault have really improved with regards reliability.
Parents have had 3 since 2014 and do about 25k km each year and they always start stop and go.
Engine isn't a rocket by any means but very economical.

Think they are based on the Clio so not huge, nice room in front and fit 2 in the rear only thing I notice is the road noise when you get up to 100 .

Take a look and test drive and just do the basics regarding service history etc and you should be grand.

bazz26 · 23-06-2019 10:26pm

The Renault Captur shares a lot with the Nissan Juke, thankfully not it's looks.

bazz26 · 23-06-2019 10:35pm

Warm and muggy weather due this week. Wait for the glut of threads/posts now from people with broken air con because they only switch it on in warm or muggy weather.

carsfan2 · 23-06-2019 10:36pm

CIP4 wrote: »

So basically being offered about 20k for it on a trade in the lower end of what I would been happy to take for it is about 23k. To be fair I know just looking at that and not what kind of value the car your buying is, is a bit of an over simplification.

To be fair there is one dealer that has a car I am interested in that said they would ring around to see what’s the best they can do. I think what makes it difficult is the fact I still actually like the A4 and it’s a perfect car in great condition with no issues but equally I am in my 20s and now is the time to buy something a little crazy.

If I can’t get anymore than 20k for my own car I will keep it till the end of the year and then go searching again at least it will feel like I have gotten more value out of it by then.

My thoughts would be that you should first make up your mind as to what model of car you want and then seek the best deal for that car.
Don’t go for something because you get a grand or two more for your own. In the grand scheme of things it won’t make a difference. If you settle for a car because you’re getting a great deal in it, chances are you will not be one hundred percent happy and will only be back looking to change it in a very short time and lose more money on it.

Focus on deciding what car you really want to buy. Then talk numbers.

Murt102 · 24-06-2019 8:40pm

In my 5 years of driving, this is my first ever time bringing a car for NCT.. Never had a car long enough to bring it for test

Next available date is in a months time so I have time to get bits done to the car. Two things with it though;
1 - passenger side window doesn’t go down and
2 - back wiper doesn’t work (never has in my ownership (audi a3 hatchback))

Would the car fail on either of the two? Any VW or Audi hatchbacks I’ve owned from 2004-2009 the back wiper never worked and when i did get them fixed, they broke again within a few weeks.

job seeker · 24-06-2019 8:44pm

Murt102 wrote: »

In my 5 years of driving, this is my first ever time bringing a car for NCT.. Never had a car long enough to bring it for test

Next available date is in a months time so I have time to get bits done to the car. Two things with it though;
1 - passenger side window doesn’t go down and
2 - back wiper doesn’t work (never has in my ownership (audi a3 hatchback))

Would the car fail on either of the two? Any VW or Audi hatchbacks I’ve owned from 2004-2009 the back wiper never worked and when i did get them fixed, they broke again within a few weeks.

1 - Yes, it's a fail. However, it's a visual, so you call in when it's fixed. no need to pay 28 euro for retest.

Tester will issue disk when he/she see's that it's fixed!

2 - No, rear wiper doesn't matter

Murt102 · 24-06-2019 8:51pm

job seeker wrote: »

1 - Yes, it's a fail. However, it's a visual, so you call in when it's fixed. no need to pay 28 euro for retest.

Tester will issue disk when he/she see's that it's fixed!

2 - No, rear wiper doesn't matter

Cheers! I want to get the passenger window fixed anyways so i’ll get it done over the next couple of weeks.

dkd21 · 24-06-2019 8:58pm

Passenger window does not need to open for the test , only the drivers window ...

Rear wiper is not tested .

Tazzimus · 24-06-2019 9:15pm

dkd21 wrote: »

Passenger window does not need to open for the test , only the drivers window ...

Rear wiper is not tested .

Correct, passenger window not working is fine.

CIP4 · 24-06-2019 10:11pm

Made an offer on a car today at a dealer. About 3k less than they wanted so not sure how they will take it. Don't want to give too much away unless sort out a deal on it. All I will say is its fairly quick and would be great fun to own. Rang the insurance company just to see and the premium rise wasn't too bad considering it would have a high enough loading Id imagine I must be getting old.

Toyotafanboi · 24-06-2019 10:13pm

Give us a hint. A continent and the driven wheels and let us guess it out!

punisher5112 · 24-06-2019 10:19pm

Murt102 wrote: »

In my 5 years of driving, this is my first ever time bringing a car for NCT.. Never had a car long enough to bring it for test

Next available date is in a months time so I have time to get bits done to the car. Two things with it though;
1 - passenger side window doesn’t go down and
2 - back wiper doesn’t work (never has in my ownership (audi a3 hatchback))

Would the car fail on either of the two? Any VW or Audi hatchbacks I’ve owned from 2004-2009 the back wiper never worked and when i did get them fixed, they broke again within a few weeks.

Won't fail on either.... Rear wiper isn't needed....

Driver window is important one.

CIP4 · 24-06-2019 10:24pm

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Give us a hint. A continent and the driven wheels and let us guess it out!

300bhp (ps if you want to be technical about it) you should be able to guess it from there or at least have it fairly narrowed down.

bazz26 · 24-06-2019 10:26pm

Golf R or Leon Cupra.

Sexual Chocolate · 24-06-2019 10:29pm

Golf R or S3

Best of luck with whatever happens.

tcawley29 · 24-06-2019 10:42pm

Gonna say s3

24-06-2019 11:25pm

2 litre turbo VAG?

job seeker · 25-06-2019 1:00am

dkd21 wrote: »

Passenger window does not need to open for the test , only the drivers window ...

Rear wiper is not tested .

Tazzimus wrote: »

Correct, passenger window not working is fine.

I stand corrected!

Interesting, though as I’ve seen both front windows being put down during ever test on my old car.. 99 Yaris!

rafter21 · 25-06-2019 1:25am

Hi guys, currently looking at two Audi A5's. They're both identical spec. Black edition etc. Both almost the same price too.

One is 14 reg with 66k miles
The other is 15 reg with 84k miles

If you had to buy one, which would you go for? The lower miles or the newer reg?

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