BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

sharper · 25-07-2018 10:48am

Stephen15 wrote: »

I don't understand the obsession with every area including estates having to have a direct bus service to the city centre when most elderly people don't even go into town but rather they make local trips to shop etc.

Aside from all the issues around frequency etc it all leads to the current problem where if you want to get from anywhere to anywhere else you have to go through the city centre first.

Bray Head · 25-07-2018 10:50am

sharper wrote: »

The LUAS is run by Transdev and they're paid by the NTA to run it. If nobody steps onto a LUAS for the next year Transdev's revenue will be entirely unaffected. The same is true for go ahead and the orbital routes.

This is well known.

My point is that it would make it much easier for the NTA to parcel up certain routes for tender. The routes will be much more obviously profit- or loss-making compared to now.

devnull · 25-07-2018 10:54am

Bray Head wrote: »

This is well known.

My point is that it would make it much easier for the NTA to parcel up certain routes for tender. The routes will be much more obviously profit- or loss-making compared to now.

Not really, because if the operator doesn't see the ticket revenue, how many passengers they take or how profitable the service is doesn't effect the operator since they're just paying to run the bus a set distance a set time of day.

This puts revenue risk with the NTA, but it also means that if a route is profitable, it can then be re-invested in public transport services to drive continued improvement.

_Kaiser_ · 25-07-2018 11:05am

Podge_irl wrote: »

Similar was said about the proposed Metrolink route.

Some people have an utterly bizarre notion of what a public consultation is for.

Ah yes, the Metrolink that if I recall right proposes to dig up half of the Green line LUAS as well to replace it? One of the few pieces of infrastructure that actually works? (until the cross city nonsense anyway which of course required a lot of digging and money too)

We just love pissing away money in this country.

I'll say it again.. the opinions of views of posters here as enthusiasts will not match the average user whose main concern (justifiably so) is going to be "how is this going to impact on my existing services?" If the answer is arguably "worse!" then it won't matter a jot about the "bigger picture". Local TD's will push for changes that will water down the whole thing.

We don't do long term planning in this country... see my first point above.

sharper · 25-07-2018 11:08am

Bray Head wrote: »

My point is that it would make it much easier for the NTA to parcel up certain routes for tender. The routes will be much more obviously profit- or loss-making compared to now.

The person operating the checkout at Tesco doesn't care at all which items have the best margin. They're paid to operate the checkout.

The spectre of profitable parts of public transport being packaged and sold off has been raised many times but that's simply not possible under the current way of doing things.

Podge_irl · 25-07-2018 11:24am

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Ah yes, the Metrolink that if I recall right proposes to dig up half of the Green line LUAS as well to replace it? One of the few pieces of infrastructure that actually works? (until the cross city nonsense anyway which of course required a lot of digging and money too)

We just love pissing away money in this country.

I'll say it again.. the opinions of views of posters here as enthusiasts will not match the average user whose main concern (justifiably so) is going to be "how is this going to impact on my existing services?" If the answer is arguably "worse!" then it won't matter a jot about the "bigger picture". Local TD's will push for changes that will water down the whole thing.

We don't do long term planning in this country... see my first point above.

Bizarre rant that doesn't have anything to do with my point.

You are suggesting that they should not have published the route or plan until they had sorted out all the problems with it. But that is the entire point of the public consultation - to allow the public point out issues that the planners either overlooked or dismissed and potentially have some reworking done.

sharper · 25-07-2018 11:28am

Podge_irl wrote: »

You are suggesting that they should not have published the route or plan until they had sorted out all the problems with it. But that is the entire point of the public consultation - to allow the public point out issues that the planners either overlooked or dismissed and potentially have some reworking done.

Also apparently we can't start building a metro in the 2020s because it wasn't factored into the plan from the 1990s to build the green line of the LUAS.

_Kaiser_ · 25-07-2018 11:30am

Podge_irl wrote: »

Bizarre rant that doesn't have anything to do with my point.

You are suggesting that they should not have published the route or plan until they had sorted out all the problems with it. But that is the entire point of the public consultation - to allow the public point out issues that the planners either overlooked or dismissed and potentially have some reworking done.

The NTA brought in someone to design a integrated single plan for Dublin - grand. But it fails to take into account the significant local lobbying and self-interest that has dominated the discussions since.

If you start pulling at bits of it to accommodate locals then you're watering down the overall effectiveness each time. Do so enough and the whole thing becomes pointless and will make things worse than they were when you started!

Podge_irl · 25-07-2018 11:44am

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The NTA brought in someone to design a integrated single plan for Dublin - grand. But it fails to take into account the significant local lobbying and self-interest that has dominated the discussions since.

If you start pulling at bits of it to accommodate locals then you're watering down the overall effectiveness each time. Do so enough and the whole thing becomes pointless and will make things worse than they were when you started!

An no doubt if they railroaded the plan through as is you would be super on board?

A public consultation is necessary for such a project as no expert or small group is going to be able to cover all the bases. Some tweaking of the plan is inevitable and not an issue if the core concept is not diluted. There is absolutely no sign so far that they are going to alter it simply to accommodate locals but if sensible changes are suggested I am sure they will be looked at. An element of adjustment was no doubt expected.

Peregrine · 25-07-2018 11:50am

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Ah yes, the Metrolink that if I recall right proposes to dig up half of the Green line LUAS as well to replace it? One of the few pieces of infrastructure that actually works? (until the cross city nonsense anyway which of course required a lot of digging and money too)

We just love pissing away money in this country.

I'll say it again.. the opinions of views of posters here as enthusiasts will not match the average user whose main concern (justifiably so) is going to be "how is this going to impact on my existing services?" If the answer is arguably "worse!" then it won't matter a jot about the "bigger picture". Local TD's will push for changes that will water down the whole thing.

We don't do long term planning in this country... see my first point above.

You recall incorrectly. And so much of the rest of your post is invalid.

Go read the plan.

devnull · 25-07-2018 12:04pm

Knowing someone who went to some of these community meetings about BusConnects that have been talked about, today I asked them as to what happened at these meetings and what information was given or handed out.

There was no information distributed about the plans as advertised on BusConnects.ie, instead people were reading from briefs and bulletins that were circulated by the NBRU which was presented as facts and there appeared to be handouts from the NBRU like attached.

I think that the NTA need to start holding their own roadshows very soon because there seems to be a lot of fear being whipped up with scaremongering with community groups taking what the likes of the NBRU are saying at face value, without being presented with the actual plans from the NTA and Jarrett Walker.

john boye · 25-07-2018 12:14pm

devnull wrote: »

Knowing someone who went to some of these community meetings about BusConnects that have been talked about, today I asked them as to what happened at these meetings and what information was given or handed out.

There was no information distributed about the plans as advertised on BusConnects.ie, instead people were reading from briefs and bulletins that were circulated by the NBRU which was presented as facts and there appeared to be handouts from the NBRU like attached.

I think that the NTA need to start holding their own roadshows very soon because there seems to be a lot of fear being whipped up with scaremongering with community groups taking what the likes of the NBRU are saying at face value, without being presented with the actual plans from the NTA and Jarrett Walker.

"Areas of Crumlin left with no direct access to Glasnevin Cemetery". Good grief.

Qrt · 25-07-2018 12:30pm

john boye wrote: »

"Areas of Crumlin left with no direct access to Glasnevin Cemetery". Good grief.

I can't view the attachment but that pretty much sums up everything that's wrong with the current system.

devnull · 25-07-2018 12:34pm

Qrt wrote: »

I can't view the attachment but that pretty much sums up everything that's wrong with the current system.

Sorry - I just got hold of the full NBRU handout rather than a few pages so I've replaced the original attachment with a new one which is more comprehensive.

howiya · 25-07-2018 12:36pm

devnull wrote: »

Knowing someone who went to some of these community meetings about BusConnects that have been talked about, today I asked them as to what happened at these meetings and what information was given or handed out.

There was no information distributed about the plans as advertised on BusConnects.ie, instead people were reading from briefs and bulletins that were circulated by the NBRU which was presented as facts and there appeared to be handouts from the NBRU like attached.

I think that the NTA need to start holding their own roadshows very soon because there seems to be a lot of fear being whipped up with scaremongering with community groups taking what the likes of the NBRU are saying at face value, without being presented with the actual plans from the NTA and Jarrett Walker.

These are already planned. Additional dates and areas to follow.

https://www.busconnects.ie/media/1266/confirmed-information-session-locations-august-2018.pdf

LeinsterDub · 25-07-2018 12:36pm

Qrt wrote: »

I can't view the attachment but that pretty much sums up everything that's wrong with the current system.

I think the NBRU have confused themselves with the Irish Taxi Drivers Federation

Pelvis · 25-07-2018 12:43pm

KD345 wrote: »

I also don’t think traveling from Firhouse to Tallaght to go to the city centre is an attractive option for many.

Sure we all know Firhouse is in Tallaght.

*ducks for cover*

howiya · 25-07-2018 12:48pm

devnull wrote: »

Sorry - I just got hold of the full NBRU handout rather than a few pages so I've replaced the original attachment with a new one which is more comprehensive.

Just looked at their comments on the route I mostly use (14). They're portraying it as if they are taking the bus out of Beaumont completely by referencing the A3 as the replacement instead of the A1.

devnull · 25-07-2018 12:54pm

It's also notable that they make no reference to frequency whatsoever in those leaflets of any of the new routes.

blah · 25-07-2018 12:58pm

devnull wrote: »

It's also notable that they make no reference to frequency whatsoever in those leaflets of any of the new routes.

But at then end of the day they are just rabble rousing to get more money, right? They don’t care if it makes the overall service better or worse?

Qrt · 25-07-2018 1:07pm

howiya wrote: »

Just looked at their comments on the route I mostly use (14). They're portraying it as if they are taking the bus out of Beaumont completely by referencing the A3 as the replacement instead of the A1.

I only read half of it but the information just sounds wrong. They say the D2 will go through druncondra yet the published map says otherwise.

CatInABox · 25-07-2018 1:26pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Ah yes, the Metrolink that if I recall right proposes to dig up half of the Green line LUAS as well to replace it? One of the few pieces of infrastructure that actually works? (until the cross city nonsense anyway which of course required a lot of digging and money too)

It works for now, but the Green Line is projected to be beyond capacity after 2020, with all the easy upgrades done already. Regardless of BusConnects, the Green Line will need an upgrade to Metro standard, sooner rather than later.

howiya · 25-07-2018 1:54pm

devnull wrote: »

It's also notable that they make no reference to frequency whatsoever in those leaflets of any of the new routes.

Well in the case of the 14 there isn't a remarkable jump in frequency. I've a 15 minute frequency now. It'll be 10-15 under the new plan.

cgcsb · 25-07-2018 1:55pm

Goldengirl wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

bus connects will improve the lot of the old and disabled with more destinations served, better frequency and more comfortable bus stops.

cgcsb · 25-07-2018 2:00pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

If they can't walk out of their estate where are they going on the bus that they'll be able to do anything on the other end?

If they require literal point-to-point transport than public transport isn't for them.

The existing PT network, as with any PT network in the world, is not point to point for almost any of the users, it works because of walking and cycling to final destinations. If people cannot walk any distance at all, as a previous poster suggested, or use a wheelchair for any distance at all, then I'm afraid no bus plan will satisfy you. what such users need is a taxi or more likely an ambulance.

cgcsb · 25-07-2018 2:02pm

Bray Head wrote: »

People want to keep the network structured around bus users with limited mobility and lots of time.

These people may be better served by a dial-a-bus service. I think there is a case for these even in urban areas.

Most Dublin Bus users are mobile and want to get where they are going asap. Bus Connects seems to be - finally - prioritising the needs of the many, not the few.

Posters here want a redesign to accommodate the 0.001% of potential users, lord knows they cant actually use the bus now, who are comatose.

I think it's a thinly veiled attack on public transport in general by private car idealogues, the type of people who through the disabled and elderly under the bus the minute a new bus lane or pedestrian area is announced.

devnull · 25-07-2018 2:03pm

howiya wrote: »

Well in the case of the 14 there isn't a remarkable jump in frequency. I've a 15 minute frequency now. It'll be 10-15 under the new plan.

Sure, but the way some people carry on in reaction to the proposals is like having a direct service a handful times of day is more important than having a hugely more frequent local service that connects to a high frequency service to the city for example.

I'd rather be able to make a journey a large number of times a day by taking two buses than have a small number of direct services a day and nothing else outside of these.

cgcsb · 25-07-2018 2:06pm

Bray Head wrote: »

This is probably behind a lot of the objection to Bus Connects so far.

Aside from DB staff and PBPAAA mouthpieces, who actually wants DB to be allowed operate every route unchallenged for ever?

devnull · 25-07-2018 2:08pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Aside from DB staff and PBPAAA mouthpieces, who actually wants DB to be allowed operate every route unchallenged for ever?

Personally the service, ease of use of said service and customer experience is much more important to me than the ideology as I believe a public transport service should be run for the benefit of the public, first and foremost.

cgcsb · 25-07-2018 2:09pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Ah yes, the Metrolink that if I recall right proposes to dig up half of the Green line LUAS as well to replace it?

Nope

MJohnston · 25-07-2018 2:12pm

howiya wrote: »

Well in the case of the 14 there isn't a remarkable jump in frequency. I've a 15 minute frequency now. It'll be 10-15 under the new plan.

As someone living on the north extension of the Green Line, don't rule out the difference between 10 and 15 minute frequencies. It seems minor, but in practice it's far less frustrating with 10 minute frequencies.

cgcsb · 25-07-2018 2:13pm

devnull wrote: »

Personally the service, ease of use of said service and customer experience is much more important to me than the ideology as I believe a public transport service should be run for the benefit of the public, first and foremost.

Indeed and if the NTA contracts that out to Dublin Bus 100% of the time or opens the contract for that competition up, which do you think would serve the public better. At present many public services (I'm looking at IÉ) are run for the good of the staff and their unions as opposed to the public.

Qrt · 25-07-2018 2:18pm

MJohnston wrote: »

As someone living on the north extension of the Green Line, don't rule out the difference between 10 and 15 minute frequencies. It seems minor, but in practice it's far less frustrating with 10 minute frequencies.

Will they be increasing broombridge services anytime soon? I always thought the wait time was a bit ridiculous

KD345 · 25-07-2018 2:21pm

howiya wrote: »

Well in the case of the 14 there isn't a remarkable jump in frequency. I've a 15 minute frequency now. It'll be 10-15 under the new plan.

On the south side it’s the opposite. The 14 is being reduced in frequency from every 15/20 mins daytime to every 30. Another example of a decrease in frequency and capacity.

Stephen15 · 25-07-2018 2:25pm

KD345 wrote: »

On the south side it’s the opposite. The 14 is being reduced in frequency from every 15/20 mins daytime to every 30. Another example of a decrease in frequency and capacity.

The A spine will probably take many off the 14

howiya · 25-07-2018 2:27pm

MJohnston wrote: »

As someone living on the north extension of the Green Line, don't rule out the difference between 10 and 15 minute frequencies. It seems minor, but in practice it's far less frustrating with 10 minute frequencies.

Well it is a minor improvement in that the 10 minute frequency only operates two hours of the day. 12 minutes three other hours of the day and 15 the rest of day.

I take your point though. The other week I just missed the 15:15 and neither the 15:30 or 15:45 operated. The 16:00 was late. At least at a 12 minute frequency I might have been on a bus before 16:00

r93kaey5p2izun · 25-07-2018 2:34pm

Some of the comments here about mobility are quite strange to the point of ridiculousness. I have made no comments here about loss of services from estates or increased walking distances, and I'm not in favour of causing massive inconvenience to the majority of commuters for the sake of those with mobility issues, just to be clear. But the comments here from those attacking those making these arguments honestly read like something written by a facetious teenager.

I work full time and rely 100% on the bus. Unfortunately I cannot walk more than 3 minutes at a slow pace, which doesn't get me very far. I still manage to do my job, shop, and go out for the day all on public transport. It's simply nonsense to imply that those who will be unable to walk 500m to a bus stop are some sort of shut ins who need a taxi or ambulance, as some of the frankly outlandish hyperbolic crap posted here suggests. I understand the need to redesign the bus service and prioritise the needs of the majority and I won't be lobbying for maintaining door to door local routes at the expense of an overall improvements. But it doesn't mean the childish rubbish posted here is acceptable or valid. It just shows how ignorant so many can be - whether it's true ignorance or just deliberately dismissive keyboard warriors isn't clear.

r93kaey5p2izun · 25-07-2018 2:37pm

MJohnston wrote: »

As someone living on the north extension of the Green Line, don't rule out the difference between 10 and 15 minute frequencies. It seems minor, but in practice it's far less frustrating with 10 minute frequencies.

You were quick enough to dismiss a change from every 30 minutes to every 40 minutes as fairly minor yourself!

MJohnston · 25-07-2018 2:42pm

Anaya Angry Meatloaf wrote: »

Some of the comments here about mobility are quite strange to the point of ridiculousness. I have made no comments here about loss of services from estates or increased walking distances, and I'm not in favour of causing massive inconvenience to the majority of commuters for the sake of those with mobility issues, just to be clear. But the comments here from those attacking those making these arguments honestly read like something written by a facetious teenager.

I work full time and rely 100% on the bus. Unfortunately I cannot walk more than 3 minutes at a slow pace, which doesn't get me very far. I still manage to do my job, shop, and go out for the day all on public transport. It's simply nonsense to imply that those who will be unable to walk 500m to a bus stop are some sort of shut ins who need a taxi or ambulance, as some of the frankly outlandish hyperbolic crap posted here suggests. I understand the need to redesign the bus service and prioritise the needs of the majority and I won't be lobbying for maintaining door to door local routes at the expense of an overall improvements. But it doesn't mean the childish rubbish posted here is acceptable or valid. It just shows how ignorant so many can be - whether it's true ignorance or just deliberately dismissive keyboard warriors isn't clear.

I agree - it's perfectly easy to make the argument that ultra-local services should not be maintained without resorting to arguing about the abilities of any particular group of people.

MJohnston · 25-07-2018 2:44pm

Anaya Angry Meatloaf wrote: »

You were quick enough to dismiss a change from every 30 minutes to every 40 minutes as fairly minor yourself!

I think context matters - a difference of 10 minutes from 30 to 40 at off-peak weekend hours is less impactful than a difference of 5 minutes from 15 to 10 at peak weekday hours, imo anyway.

KD345 · 25-07-2018 2:50pm

Stephen15 wrote: »

The A spine will probably take many off the 14

The A spine is quite a walk for passengers on Barton Road, Churchtown and Breamor Road. Their frequency is being reduced. The new 14 route should be at least matching the existing frequency.

LeinsterDub · 25-07-2018 2:53pm

Anaya Angry Meatloaf wrote: »

Some of the comments here about mobility are quite strange to the point of ridiculousness. I have made no comments here about loss of services from estates or increased walking distances, and I'm not in favour of causing massive inconvenience to the majority of commuters for the sake of those with mobility issues, just to be clear. But the comments here from those attacking those making these arguments honestly read like something written by a facetious teenager.

I work full time and rely 100% on the bus. Unfortunately I cannot walk more than 3 minutes at a slow pace, which doesn't get me very far. I still manage to do my job, shop, and go out for the day all on public transport. It's simply nonsense to imply that those who will be unable to walk 500m to a bus stop are some sort of shut ins who need a taxi or ambulance, as some of the frankly outlandish hyperbolic crap posted here suggests. I understand the need to redesign the bus service and prioritise the needs of the majority and I won't be lobbying for maintaining door to door local routes at the expense of an overall improvements. But it doesn't mean the childish rubbish posted here is acceptable or valid. It just shows how ignorant so many can be - whether it's true ignorance or just deliberately dismissive keyboard warriors isn't clear.

It seems to be the ones arguing for the ultra local service are the ones implying those who "at those who will be unable to walk 500m to a bus stop are some sort of shut ins who need a taxi or ambulance".

The majority of those who want a border service have in fact pointed to the fact the majority of people with and without mobility issues can reach a bus stop within a reasonable distance and have also asked for a dial-a-bus service to be considered for those who simply can't reach the bus stop.

MJohnston · 25-07-2018 2:59pm

KD345 wrote: »

On the south side it’s the opposite. The 14 is being reduced in frequency from every 15/20 mins daytime to every 30. Another example of a decrease in frequency and capacity.

It's actually only a reduction from 20/25 to 30. Of course, this argument only works without context.

With context, a whole lot of people in the area served by the 14 will also have very nearby access to the A3 and the A4 into the city (at a 10/15 minute frequency or 6/7.5 frequency where the A3/4 overlap); as well as the S6/7 orbital (10/15 minute frequency) that connects with both the A and E spinal routes (with both having a 5 minute or better frequency) and the high frequency Green Line Luas.

howiya · 25-07-2018 3:00pm

KD345 wrote: »

On the south side it’s the opposite. The 14 is being reduced in frequency from every 15/20 mins daytime to every 30. Another example of a decrease in frequency and capacity.

Wasn't aware of that but I only go as far south as the IFSC.

r93kaey5p2izun · 25-07-2018 3:01pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

It seems to be the ones arguing for the ultra local service are the ones implying those who "at those who will be unable to walk 500m to a bus stop are some sort of shut ins who need a taxi or ambulance".

The majority of those who want a border service have in fact pointed to the fact the majority of people with and without mobility issues can reach a bus stop within a reasonable distance and have also asked for a dial-a-bus service to be considered for those who simply can't reach the bus stop.

I disagree and don't think it reads like that at all. There are in fact LOTS of us who cannot walk 500m to a bus stop - it is going to be an issue. It's not as unusual or such a minority as suggested by many here. And my point is that despite this we actually do manage to go places and do things, whereas the crap posted here suggests anyone who can't walk 500m must he unable to do anything at the other end of the journey anyway. That's simply nonsense.

Peregrine · 25-07-2018 3:08pm

howiya wrote: »

Well in the case of the 14 there isn't a remarkable jump in frequency. I've a 15 minute frequency now. It'll be 10-15 under the new plan.

My quickest route into the city centre went from every 10 minutes all day to every 15 minutes a couple of years ago. It was a significant change it reliability and usability. I wouldn't be so quick to rule out the difference even a 5 minute improvement in frequency could make.

Podge_irl · 25-07-2018 3:08pm

Anaya Angry Meatloaf wrote: »

I disagree and don't think it reads like that at all. There are in fact LOTS of us who cannot walk 500m to a bus stop - it is going to be an issue. It's not as unusual or such a minority as sugested by many here. And my point is that despite this we actually do manage to go places and do things, whereas the crap posted here suggests anyone who can't walk 500m must he unable to do anything at the other end of the journey anyway. That's simply nonsense.

I am perfectly willing to bet that the proportion of people who can't walk 2-300m to a bus stop, but who are currently within that distance of a bus stop whose route takes them to within 2-300m of everywhere they need to go and who will now be unable to take public transport is, in fact, spectacularly tiny. I am also fully aware that they will be discommoded by this plan and that is unfortunate. Hopefully other systems can be put in place for them.

As it is today the vast majority of estates don't have buses running through them. The few that do are an anomaly that should not exist.

r93kaey5p2izun · 25-07-2018 3:15pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

I am perfectly willing to bet that the proportion of people who can't walk 2-300m to a bus stop, but who are currently within that distance of a bus stop whose route takes them to within 2-300m of everywhere they need to go and who will now be unable to take public transport is, in fact, spectacularly tiny. I am also fully aware that they will be discommoded by this plan and that is unfortunate. Hopefully other systems can be put in place for them.

As it is today the vast majority of estates don't have buses running through them. The few that do are an anomaly that should not exist.

I think you would lose your bet as such people have often planned their life around being in very close proximity to transport.

And as I made clear I am not arguing in favour of keeping every little local route at the expense of overall improvement. But I will highlight that the notion of those who can only walk very short distances are unable to take part in most everyday life activities is fantasy land level nonsense that points to a complete lack of knowledge or awareness of mobility issues.

ITV2 · 25-07-2018 4:11pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

I am perfectly willing to bet that the proportion of people who can't walk 2-300m to a bus stop, but who are currently within that distance of a bus stop whose route takes them to within 2-300m of everywhere they need to go and who will now be unable to take public transport is, in fact, spectacularly tiny. I am also fully aware that they will be discommoded by this plan and that is unfortunate. Hopefully other systems can be put in place for them.

As it is today the vast majority of estates don't have buses running through them. The few that do are an anomaly that should not exist.

Like the situation in Larkhill estate with the 44.

LeinsterDub · 25-07-2018 4:28pm

Anaya Angry Meatloaf wrote: »

I disagree and don't think it reads like that at all. There are in fact LOTS of us who cannot walk 500m to a bus stop - it is going to be an issue. It's not as unusual or such a minority as suggested by many here. And my point is that despite this we actually do manage to go places and do things, whereas the crap posted here suggests anyone who can't walk 500m must he unable to do anything at the other end of the journey anyway. That's simply nonsense.

They didn't suggest that . What was said and it's a fair point is if they can't walk 500 meters to the bus stop what are they doing when they reach OCS for example? There isn't much that's less than 500m from the top of OCS . The bottom of Henry St is 600m , OCS at parnell to OCS at Henry st is 300 m. If this is the case perhaps a dial-a-bus option would be more appropriate

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