The Oldskool Appreciation Party - O.A.P's thread

es-cee · 04-11-2011 11:38pm

es-cee wrote: »

but then on the other hand, how do ya think i got into it? i was nowhere near old enough to know about rave let alone listen to it, but older cousins of mine used to make weekly trips to the uk, and bring back amazing tape packs. it just depends on who ya knew back then ace, and obviously the peeps you knew were alot more close minded in fairness. i still play mixes at house parties to this day, to peeps that have never even heard it before and they love it!

just to add to this, everyone loves the prodigy, and thats breakbeat hardcore so whats the dif in the likes of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKJsl_tKb0

makes no sense.

theoldalfer · 04-11-2011 11:43pm

Is mise le key wrote: »

Hmmm, i was never in it 1990-1992 but, seeing as how peoples perceptions of any given venue that was open for a long period is typically that they prefffered it when they first started going to it i would say yopur mate is talking from his perspective, and that perspective is 100%, to him.

I started going the Olympic in 1992, by the time it was closing it had had a totally new influx of people & change in music, it didnt quite seem as good, even though we had moved on top the asylum mind you, than when we first started going.

Also, the Ormond went from a fairly underground venue to fairly mainstream, certainly wasnt as good near the last 6 months of its life as it was around 1994/1995 but to the people who had juust discovered it in 1996 onwards it was irrelevant what my persepctive of it was in 1995, to them it was fúcking top notch.

Its a matter of perspective but people who see a transistion of a venue, as opposed to those who frequent it near its end, will always feel it lost its appeal over time.

EDIT: Apart from the ASYLUM that is.:D

with you on this key 100%

es-cee · 04-11-2011 11:46pm

and these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rShOzMN3G-w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0Bz_WThGHs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDlcsjM57vM

i have to laugh my fúckin ass off when people try tell me they hate hardcore, but yet when i ask them do they like like the prodigy's first album, they say yeah thats deadly!

only reason its "deadly" is coz its mainstream PMSL!

limitations there again

EarlERizer · 04-11-2011 11:50pm

es-cee wrote: »

i'd say ya are in the minority then with uk tunage tbh, nearly every hardcore tune back then had a scratch sample of some sort in it (and you call yourself a hardcore raver, '92 ? ) as for the MC, he is shíte, but then again, so are most. if it weren't for the dub reggae crowd, MC's wouldn't exist, so fúckin shame on that lot! i like hearing a dj mix it up, i like hearing, and really appreciate trick mixing as well as scratching. the thing i absolutely hate above all else, is a dj throwing so many effects over a mix, that ya can't tell where one tune starts, and another ends. nowadays with some, no all dj's, its mega build ups & drops, nothing else, and its really fúcked it up for me i must say, do not enjoy it what so ever! one thing i will give hype tho, he uses his own skills, no stupid amount of effects to get his set across, its his own two hands and nothing else. i really can't get over dj's throwing copious amounts of 'reverb' over a tune that has too much in it to begin with, its totally ridiculous imo, and just don't like it!

Careful Sean, your starting to sound like me lol ....an aul git!!

........

Now, as I've said (and said before) I love hardcore,ragga,jungle, dnb .....it would be my prefered music thread hands down! for me first discovered via the CB radio sations bitd in my mates room (real oldskool - CB and big fook off aerial hanging out the window) .... anyways, yeah heard loads of scratch samples in the tunes but they were intermitting samples not prolonged "check me out" wicka wicka wicka wicka wickas by the DJ.

I'm not saying "I dont like the sound of scratching" or "scratching ounds shyte" , just that I can live without it in a DJ's set! Different strokes for different folk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Back then, for me anyway, scratching was for hip hop and thats where I prefered to hear it.

........ and the only thing I call meself is "an old fart" :P

theoldalfer · 04-11-2011 11:56pm

SteoL wrote: »

True! When I heard the last night of the Ormonde mix that's floating about my first thoughts were they're not the Ormonde sounds that I remember. All the others (UFO, Sides, Grouchos) I went to only occasionally - once a month or so. The Ormonde I went weekly, or twice weekly for a couple of years. Ended up getting barred but soon after my mates who went in said it had gone to hell with Hard House and/or commercial rubbish.

I stoped going to the ormonde when club fm took over, only went back twice when they where there, TDV and tall paul and the last night. I remember being a bit pissed off with that night as well. half the DJ's that where down to play didn't (MW, Thyme) and the one's that did i didn't like:mad: still don't. and used to hate people thinking the tapes of that night was what the ormonde sounded like:mad:. ah sure...........

es-cee · 05-11-2011 12:01am

EarlERizer wrote: »

Careful Sean, your starting to sound like me lol ....an aul git!! ........

Now, as I've said (and said before) I love hardcore,ragga,jungle, dnb .....it would be my prefered music thread hands down! for me first discovered via the CB radio sations bitd in my mates room (real oldskool - CB and big fook off aerial hanging out the window) .... anyways, yeah heard loads of scratch samples in the tunes but they were intermitting samples not prolonged "check me out" wicka wicka wicka wicka wickas by the DJ.

I'm not saying "I dont like the sound of scratching" or "scratching ounds shyte" , just that I can live without it in a DJ's set! Different strokes for different folk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Back then, for me anyway, scratching was for hip hop and thats where I prefered to hear it.

........ and the only thing I call meself is "an old fart" :P

jaysus i hope not

anyway, yeah i get where your comin from man, and thats fine, every1 to their own and all that. but there are loadsa peeps like myself who love it, and not all hip hop djs stick strickly to hip hop to scratch over either, check the man like qbert scratchin over ed rush & optical - pacman here, kicks in at 6.50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUR8-8G8BJ4

theoldalfer · 05-11-2011 12:03am

SteoL wrote: »

Same here re Sides. Can't really remember exact year I first went but it was either 93 or 94. I do remember Warren being on that night and instantly he became my favourite DJ back then.

I started heading there in 94, I never knew what DJ used to be on, didn't even know gravity and sides where the same place the first couple of times i went:D. oh to be young, dumb and full of you know yourself:pac:.

EarlERizer · 05-11-2011 12:09am

es-cee wrote: »

just to add to this, everyone loves the prodigy, and thats breakbeat hardcore so whats the dif in the likes of this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKJsl_tKb0

makes no sense.

With ya 101% there Sean , everybody had "The Experience" back in 92 and they all loved it, ah the prodigy where the new UB40 ffs, once Charly hit TOTP that was it everybody was a prodigy fan!

One of the first proper hardcore/jungle mixes I had on tape was actually Randall/Gachet/Mickey Finn/Kenny Ken @ AWOL in London 92 it was a 4 tape set (ever remember them big book like cassette cases ala 'NOW') that me mate bought me when he was over there with his da.....fookin played it to death along with Carl Cox @ Eclipse, and the recorded (badly) stuff we got off the cb radio stations .......... anyway..... couldn't get any of the others to give it a fair ear no matter how much I tried to convince them it was just like 'The experience' .....i used to use this as an example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM_tK0oLM_4

to try get them to listen to the AWOL tapes ........ah well that was then,they probably all hang around YT now listenning to the stuff

...and if not, they should be :cool:

.........and they should all remember it too ....well the ones that worked with me n my m8 on the night shift .....coz it was the tape that was playing the night we all got sacked ............for having a rave instead of working

......in fairness the work was already done....it was a long shift .....one thing led to another.......before we knew it the place was full of heads from our estate ......I'll stop there before I encriminate meself further!

Scubadevils · 05-11-2011 12:24am

Brand new but oldskool :pac: ... some nice remixes of Altern 8 ->

Mark Archer (Altern 8) - Frequency (Killa Productions '91 Revival Remix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRbwAIQXcI0

Mark Archer (Altern 8) - Frequency (AGT Rave Cru Remix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y701LfCZVbg

francois · 05-11-2011 12:36am

theoldalfer wrote: »

I stoped going to the ormonde when club fm took over,

Club FM poisoned everything, it was all money to fat Pat, **** lowest denominator trance and hard house
loads of night with false advertising, putting DJ's like myself and Warren on the bill without telling us

Scubadevils · 05-11-2011 12:38am

francois wrote: »

Club FM poisoned everything, it was all money to fat Pat, **** lowest denominator trance and hard house

Indeed, I remember going into the Temple of Sound one night when they had taken over, I couldn't believe my eyes and ears.

francois · 05-11-2011 12:46am

At least I have the satisfaction of knowing that when definitive history of dublin clubbing is written, club fm won't even appear as a footnote

Scubadevils · 05-11-2011 12:50am

francois wrote: »

At least I have the satisfaction of knowing that when definitive history of dublin clubbing is written, club fm won't even appear as a footnote

Proper order, so when do you plan to start writing it? :pac:

francois · 05-11-2011 12:53am

Scubadevils wrote: »

Proper order, so when do you plan to start writing it? :pac:

my memory fails me, that's my penace for raving

Scubadevils · 05-11-2011 12:58am

francois wrote: »

my memory fails me, that's my penace for raving

Ha true, probably why we haven't seen that definitive guide as yet for the Dublin scene!

3 of my favourites from 808 State:

808 State - Techno Bell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc7woB10Xn0

808 State - Nephatiti

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDLcCr_yB8Y

808 State - Flow Coma

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49P4GUA4AIY

Scubadevils · 05-11-2011 1:03am

I always fcking loved the relentless kick drum in this, it was like its on a mission the whole way through - basic but pounding. I know this has been posted many-a-time but not yet in this thread... :pac:

Technohead - The Passion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEsz835stPU

groggs · 05-11-2011 1:11am

Scubadevils wrote: »

I always fcking loved the relentless kick drum in this, it was like its on a mission the whole way through - basic but pounding. I know this has been posted many-a-time but not yet in this thread... :pac:

Technohead - The Passion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEsz835stPU

this is a proper f***in anthem without standin out too much

u move, then stop start, then move and stop start...a proper kicker and will never grow old

es-cee · 05-11-2011 1:43am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMdLVviEgW0

es-cee · 05-11-2011 1:45am

DJ Ratfink........ OH YEAH!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UUJ46rg4KY

es-cee · 05-11-2011 1:56am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkmqyItSXU4

es-cee · 05-11-2011 1:59am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxOVULje5fc

es-cee · 05-11-2011 2:00am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBIZT-dkyYc

es-cee · 05-11-2011 2:01am

love this track!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6HT02zqdC0

es-cee · 05-11-2011 2:02am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewWUPqFANaQ

es-cee · 05-11-2011 2:05am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9mTJKgQMyU

es-cee · 05-11-2011 2:13am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKIMQZM5JT0

es-cee · 05-11-2011 4:32am

just noticed there, that the "greatest book ever written" is no longer a sticky, and will ultimately fade into recent history. let me be the 1st to wish it well on its journey into the unknown, and say fair well little friend, we will miss you

:D:D

SteoL · 05-11-2011 10:50am

BaZmO* wrote: »

Never heard that Banana Sausage track before.....or more like, I'm sure I did hear it before but can't remember it! Great use of Energy Flash as a sample.

Just did a discogs on the Wishdokta there as I've a few tunes of his, didn't realise that it's actually Grant Nelson. Now there's one for ya!

Yeah class track alright, loved it back then.

Never heard this one, pretty class also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKNO24avdk8

Another cool one on Kickin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbLZJHrkUZ8

Finally, this track has great memories for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYWra4QXcrw

SteoL · 05-11-2011 10:51am

es-cee wrote: »

just noticed there, that the "greatest book ever written" is no longer a sticky, and will ultimately fade into recent history. let me be the 1st to wish it well on its journey into the unknown, and say fair well little friend, we will miss you :D:D

Wonder why that is.......

SteoL · 05-11-2011 10:55am

Absolutely love both these tracks by Acen. Love the piano at 03.00 on Part 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej-feuuQfrM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnJrUH30eIw

And the B side to "NRG - He Never Lost His Hardcore"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7qTMBzNuIQ

Probably my personal favourite Altern 8 track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76LiGko6JJo

aceberg · 05-11-2011 11:15am

es-cee wrote: »

just to add to this, everyone loves the prodigy, and thats breakbeat hardcore so whats the dif in the likes of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKJsl_tKb0

makes no sense.

Yeah good point Sean.Proably because the Prodigy were a world wide phenomenon and every where you turned the Prodigy were being banged out.But overall looking back on it i don't think there was alot of exposure to that style of music.But i also think imo people could only really tolerate it in small doses.So the Prodigy was as far as it went with alot of people.You could ask yourself also if they liked the Prodigy so much would that not interest them enough to want to explore that style of music a bit more.Maybe they did and as i've said they could only tolerate a very small % of it.Who knows.

Also maybe thats why your cousins went abroad.They probably could'nt get enough exposure to that style of music over here so knowing it was big accross the water they travelled.:D

Personally i can't see how they would'nt like a track like the track above that you posted.There's so much ****ing energy in that track it just makes ya wanna get up a run amok.I feel like i want to get up and dance now...lol.

Scubadevils · 05-11-2011 11:19am

SteoL wrote: »

Wonder why that is.......

I unstuck a few threads last night, probably a bit soon though for the Asylum thread - I'd had a few drinks and in my late night wisdom thought most would have seen that it was closed etc, forgetting that people may want to dip back into it now and again! Anyway, that was a bit of a...

stomprockin · 05-11-2011 1:56pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw1RpacyHV8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JjvnqTPIYw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0nJQdN0-rQ

stomprockin · 05-11-2011 2:04pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oj0Wo7zbtM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkx5VyEzAEc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbd70HLpi90

stomprockin · 05-11-2011 2:07pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE5qe-jnQRU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAP43A-emaQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzElK_nPbRw

stomprockin · 05-11-2011 2:09pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jReELdm6NaQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnfgPtRqPkI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lYYe8_WGJA

stomprockin · 05-11-2011 2:13pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzYbVLdYLQ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rvxomWppr0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tsRU-Dqr28

stomprockin · 05-11-2011 2:17pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ug4ofesEVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEVaPr1g0Ag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5156DzJ_6I

stomprockin · 05-11-2011 2:24pm

Only coming around from last Sunday, geting to old for this lark :pac:

Not sure if i'll make the chrismas one? even though the prices will be affordable- i think? last weekend was a wake up call, he is pricing himself out of the game altogether. anyway.. we will see what happens.

Last tune :pac: one that was posted many times on the last thread .
A Classic that i never get tired of..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNhnwET-ByE

es-cee · 05-11-2011 4:20pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp4mEG3PMWQ

es-cee · 05-11-2011 4:44pm

aceberg wrote: »

Yeah good point Sean.Proably because the Prodigy were a world wide phenomenon and every where you turned the Prodigy were being banged out.But overall looking back on it i don't think there was alot of exposure to that style of music.But i also think imo people could only really tolerate it in small doses.So the Prodigy was as far as it went with alot of people.You could ask yourself also if they liked the Prodigy so much would that not interest them enough to want to explore that style of music a bit more.Maybe they did and as i've said they could only tolerate a very small % of it.Who knows.

Also maybe thats why your cousins went abroad.They probably could'nt get enough exposure to that style of music over here so knowing it was big accross the water they travelled.:D

Personally i can't see how they would'nt like a track like the track above that you posted.There's so much ****ing energy in that track it just makes ya wanna get up a run amok.I feel like i want to get up and dance now...lol.

i'm with ya there ace, but what you've just said there about not enough exposure, kinda goes along with my point about limitations in musical styles, which was my 1st statement and the original post that sparked this little debate.

reason the prodigy were so popular over here. is because they were and still are mainstream, like most of the "rave" that was played here, was mostly mainstream. prodigy, altern8 etc were breakbeat hardcore mainstream crossover, in essence it was commercially acceptable hardcore, like what happened to trance in the mid 90's. it became commercial, and sounds nothin like it did when it was originally produced, which is why its still huge here.

defo woulda been back and forward from the uk, had i been old enough bitd for the open air raves they put on, dreamscape, fantazia, even the acid house sunrise party's in the late 80's. think we missed out compared to what went on over there, which (in my opinion) is why they're still light years ahead of us musically to this day.

SteoL · 05-11-2011 5:27pm

Here's a few favs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FYjA12xOr0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F6-wkTiN-A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KUG8LGkvpE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybm8s0DFeB0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF_I0sxTUbU

SteoL · 05-11-2011 5:35pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNPEUkLX9Pk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSfQzRAK-oA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKgLcHQi-78

SteoL · 05-11-2011 5:49pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhfd4k63igw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vwQXRH4ysQ

SteoL · 05-11-2011 6:00pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c83nq5lIYos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdqoRyKwo18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exYhmO6D4fU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyEuxmYWkd8

es-cee · 05-11-2011 6:10pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJsMFeu6L-Y

es-cee · 05-11-2011 6:48pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX0ZaFqWe28

es-cee · 05-11-2011 6:52pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiJHIhZRGkc

SteoL · 05-11-2011 8:27pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lG92C8xhyU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHl90kWtNk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyvGSLj0roo

aceberg · 05-11-2011 8:27pm

ok Sean this ones mainly for u.And anybody else who cares to lend a hand.:D

This track has been on my mind now for a while but i don't have any samples and did'nt really have any good way to explain it.But now is the time to give it a go.As i'd love to hear the track again,see if it is actually as good as i thought it was when i had the vinyl all those years ago.

Ok checkout the track below @ 2:36.The track i'm after starts off similar enough to that.But somewhere along the line a vocal kicks in.Very high pitched vocal can''t remember if it's male or female just singing ohohohohohohohohohoh leading up to a piano break which pretty much plays tru the rest of the track.

Well i leave it with ya....:D:confused:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCZ_32-MLRc

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