BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

loyatemu · 06-11-2019 3:38pm

Anaya Angry Meatloaf wrote: »

Is that now stated somewhere definitively? The new Chapter 7 document states it is a "key assumption" that the 90 min fare will apply across all modes inc commuter rail, but the area leaflets state it will apply bus, Luas and DART with no reference to commuter rail. And following publication of the first plan, I had confirmation from BusConnects on twitter that it didn't include commuter rail, and from Dan Constantino who said it wasn't included but should be.

the existing Leap 90 fare covers the short hop zone. Irish Rail make no distinction between Dart and Commuter in the fares - they're based on the stations you use. With Maynooth, Balbriggan and Hazelhatch lines all due to be upgraded to Dart it would be odd not to include them from the start.

Qrt · 10-11-2019 10:52pm

Is the initial implementation date late 2020 or early 2021? I assume they’ll go with implementing the new orbitals at first? Then again, you never know...

sharper · 10-11-2019 11:06pm

Qrt wrote: »

Is the initial implementation date late 2020 or early 2021? I assume they’ll go with implementing the new orbitals at first? Then again, you never know...

Implementation is due to begin in phases in 2021 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dublin-s-bus-network-redesign-to-be-carried-out-over-phased-basis-1.3930058

Qrt · 10-11-2019 11:52pm

sharper wrote: »

Implementation is due to begin in phases in 2021 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dublin-s-bus-network-redesign-to-be-carried-out-over-phased-basis-1.3930058

Christ, implementing some of the routes are nothing more than someone getting the finger out, like my beloved W4. It’s actually insane.

tom1ie · 11-11-2019 11:15am

Sorry if this was covered before but what is the breakdown of the bus connects costs? How much of the 2bn is going towards the road and cycle lanes in particular?
I know the overall 2bn project includes new busses, integrated ticketing, network redesign, but how much goes towards the extra tarmac?
Thanks.

tom1ie · 12-11-2019 6:05pm

So this morning I’m stuck in a traffic que on killininny road in Tallaght for at least 15 mins.
Apparently it’s like this every morning.
I noticed a bus behind me (can’t remember the route number but it’s not dB)
And a bus about ten cars up from also stuck in traffic.
I also noticed a bus coming towards me which was stuck in traffic just as bad.
All three busses were packed.
This route will become part of the s8 orbital route.
That road all the way up to the m50 junction at firhouse, has a wide grass verge which could be converted to an incredibly efficient qbc, as there’s not too many left turns cutting across it.
As far as I know bus connects has no plans to build a bus lane here which is absolutely criminal in my opinion.
It would make the bus a much easier sell, and would make interconnection with other radial routes so much more efficient.
Bus connects not adding a bus lane hear is shocking. (Unless I’m wrong and I can’t see that upgrade)

Qrt · 12-11-2019 8:43pm

tom1ie wrote: »

So this morning I’m stuck in a traffic que on killininny road in Tallaght for at least 15 mins.
Apparently it’s like this every morning.
I noticed a bus behind me (can’t remember the route number but it’s not dB)
And a bus about ten cars up from also stuck in traffic.
I also noticed a bus coming towards me which was stuck in traffic just as bad.
All three busses were packed.
This route will become part of the s8 orbital route.
That road all the way up to the m50 junction at firhouse, has a wide grass verge which could be converted to an incredibly efficient qbc, as there’s not too many left turns cutting across it.
As far as I know bus connects has no plans to build a bus lane here which is absolutely criminal in my opinion.
It would make the bus a much easier sell, and would make interconnection with other radial routes so much more efficient.
Bus connects not adding a bus lane hear is shocking. (Unless I’m wrong and I can’t see that upgrade)

Fairly sure the “green route” is due to be a BusConnects CRC as part of the orbital routes...ie in 2030

tom1ie · 12-11-2019 8:47pm

Qrt wrote: »

Fairly sure the “green route” is due to be a BusConnects CRC as part of the orbital routes...ie in 2030

Thanks for that. What do you mean by CRC? I though it was only the radial routes getting infrastructure upgrades, or am I mistaken?
2030? Jaysus! A decade before a very important orbital route is upgraded to separate qbc? That's so unambitious.
Also will that be upgrade work starting in 2030 or will it be wheels on tarmac in 2030?
Thanks.

cgcsb · 13-11-2019 2:17pm

Well spend about 8bn on more roads between now and then which is the funny part

JPup · 13-11-2019 4:08pm

tom1ie wrote: »

So this morning I’m stuck in a traffic que on killininny road in Tallaght for at least 15 mins.
Apparently it’s like this every morning.
I noticed a bus behind me (can’t remember the route number but it’s not dB)
And a bus about ten cars up from also stuck in traffic.
I also noticed a bus coming towards me which was stuck in traffic just as bad.
All three busses were packed.
This route will become part of the s8 orbital route.
That road all the way up to the m50 junction at firhouse, has a wide grass verge which could be converted to an incredibly efficient qbc, as there’s not too many left turns cutting across it.
As far as I know bus connects has no plans to build a bus lane here which is absolutely criminal in my opinion.
It would make the bus a much easier sell, and would make interconnection with other radial routes so much more efficient.
Bus connects not adding a bus lane hear is shocking. (Unless I’m wrong and I can’t see that upgrade)

Not trying to be smart but have you emailed that to Bus Connects? It's a good suggestion. The second consultation period is now open and that's exactly the sort of feedback they are looking for.

They are hosting public consultation events in Tallaght on the 20th and 21st of this month too if you'd prefer to speak to a representative in person.

cgcsb · 13-11-2019 10:03pm

The NTA are, bizarrely, not considering orbital routes as part of the core bus corridor project. I assume because of budget as most of the transport budget, yet again, is going into building new roads.

Last Stop · 13-11-2019 11:07pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Well spend about 8bn on more roads between now and then which is the funny part

Don’t exactly see the funny part of this? Even if we did spend 8bn on roads, how many of them would be in Dublin or even the GDA?

Last Stop · 13-11-2019 11:07pm

JPup wrote: »

Not trying to be smart but have you emailed that to Bus Connects? It's a good suggestion. The second consultation period is now open and that's exactly the sort of feedback they are looking for.

They are hosting public consultation events in Tallaght on the 20th and 21st of this month too if you'd prefer to speak to a representative in person.

The current consultation is on the network redesign not the infrastructure

AlekSmart · 14-11-2019 7:27am

cgcsb wrote: »

The NTA are, bizarrely, not considering orbital routes as part of the core bus corridor project. I assume because of budget as most of the transport budget, yet again, is going into building new roads.

One of the most obvious signs that the NTA's Busconnects plan is not exactly following the Jarrett Walker original, is the nature of how the Authority view it.

Walker was quite clear that c.10% of his plan was up for modification,and how it had to be viewed as a Big-Bang rather than a drip-feed type of restructuring.

All I am now seeing is a very typical "Irish Solution to an Irish Problem" which will eventually result in the original problem remaining unaddressed,along with a raft of new problems nobody envisaged occuring.....It's how we do things

Last Stop · 14-11-2019 8:30am

cgcsb wrote: »

The NTA are, bizarrely, not considering orbital routes as part of the core bus corridor project. I assume because of budget as most of the transport budget, yet again, is going into building new roads.

Can you please stop blaming building new roads for the NTAs unwillingness to invest meaningfully in PT in Dublin. These 2 completely separate issues.
Even if we stopped building roads in the morning, Dublin would not gain more money as there is other PT projects in Cork, Galway, limerick etc.
There is life outside the pale!! Dublin is due to receive 7bn investment of the next 10 years between Metro, DART and Busconnect. Pro rata that would suggest there is 21bn for the rest of the country and that simply isn’t the case. Whether you like it or not, Dublin is getting more than it’s fair share of investment

MJohnston · 14-11-2019 9:00am

Oh great, the money would go towards public transport in other cities? Let’s do *that* then, because that sounds like an excellent outcome compared to “more roads”.

Last Stop · 14-11-2019 9:08am

MJohnston wrote: »

Oh great, the money would go towards public transport in other cities? Let’s do *that* then, because that sounds like an excellent outcome compared to “more roads”.

Thought you weren’t engaging with me?

I’d be more than happy to invest in PT in other cities but that does not solve the “issue” of investment in Dublin or the obvious issues around the country with freight which is 99% road based and will be for some time

marno21 · 14-11-2019 9:11am

Dublin is getting an investment of €3bn in MetroLink, €2bn in BusConnects, and €2bn in DART Expansion. Plus money on the N3, N4, N7 and N11 widening schemes. And lots more smaller projects I won't even list

Cork is getting €200m for "BusConnects" and so is Galway, neither of which have had remotely formal plans published to date. Cork has had a draft transport strategy published with obscene timelines, and no formal funding announcements to date.

There is a lot of money being spent on roads, the bulk of which is maintenance. Money for maintenance of bus corridors and the Irish Rail network is not included in the above Dublin totals.

Some new roads are being built, which is about ****ing time because buses and freight are just as important to get around the country as anything else.

MJohnston · 14-11-2019 9:36am

marno21 wrote: »

Dublin is getting an investment of €3bn in MetroLink, €2bn in BusConnects, and €2bn in DART Expansion. Plus money on the N3, N4, N7 and N11 widening schemes. And lots more smaller projects I won't even list

Cork is getting €200m for "BusConnects" and so is Galway, neither of which have had remotely formal plans published to date. Cork has had a draft transport strategy published with obscene timelines, and no formal funding announcements to date.

There is a lot of money being spent on roads, the bulk of which is maintenance. Money for maintenance of bus corridors and the Irish Rail network is not included in the above Dublin totals.

Some new roads are being built, which is about ****ing time because buses and freight are just as important to get around the country as anything else.

Widening schemes are decidedly not important though, they’re inadequate solutions to a traffic problem that can only be resolved with transport investment.

thomasj · 14-11-2019 10:55am

Bus cancelled this morning so had a 20 minute wait and a smaller GT bus shows up. Bus packed with 15-20 standing , 2 buggies and people standing right up to the front door.

Ironically the plans for my area is for a (smaller bus obviously presuming they rid of VTs ) running every 15 minutes, so this mornings show was a taster of what's to come.

cgcsb · 14-11-2019 11:00am

Last Stop wrote: »

Can you please stop blaming building new roads for the NTAs unwillingness to invest meaningfully in PT in Dublin. These 2 completely separate issues.
Even if we stopped building roads in the morning, Dublin would not gain more money as there is other PT projects in Cork, Galway, limerick etc.
There is life outside the pale!! Dublin is due to receive 7bn investment of the next 10 years between Metro, DART and Busconnect. Pro rata that would suggest there is 21bn for the rest of the country and that simply isn’t the case. Whether you like it or not, Dublin is getting more than it’s fair share of investment

What Are you blithering on about? If money was spent on pt outside of Dublin that would also be a positive outcome but no the majority is on new roads, mostly in rural areas and around cork city to promote more sprawl

cgcsb · 14-11-2019 11:03am

marno21 wrote: »

Dublin is getting an investment of €3bn in MetroLink, €2bn in BusConnects, and €2bn in DART Expansion. Plus money on the N3, N4, N7 and N11 widening schemes. And lots more smaller projects I won't even list

Cork is getting €200m for "BusConnects" and so is Galway, neither of which have had remotely formal plans published to date. Cork has had a draft transport strategy published with obscene timelines, and no formal funding announcements to date.

There is a lot of money being spent on roads, the bulk of which is maintenance. Money for maintenance of bus corridors and the Irish Rail network is not included in the above Dublin totals.

Some new roads are being built, which is about ****ing time because buses and freight are just as important to get around the country as anything else.

Widening roads to attract more cars solves nothing as has been demonstrated around the world. The money should be redirected to PT, as for road maintenance, fair enough. As for the pt schemes mention. If one of them is actually completed or even in construction that'd be a valid point. Most of these projects have been 'in planning' for the guts of 40 years.

Macy0161 · 14-11-2019 11:11am

cgcsb wrote: »

Widening roads to attract more cars solves nothing as has been demonstrated around the world. The money should be redirected to PT, as for road maintenance, fair enough. As for the pt schemes mention. If one of them is actually completed or even in construction that'd be a valid point. Most of these projects have been 'in planning' for the guts of 40 years.

There does seem to be some movement towards PT/ Bus lanes in the M/N11 upgrade project documents, and some of the politicians comment. Cycling as a solution still chronically over looked (in general, and this project).

tom1ie · 14-11-2019 11:35am

Is there anyway the green route can be upgraded to remove the grass verge and build a bus lane in either direction outside of the scope of bus connects?
As in the council do it as a separate project?
The reason I say this is I personally think bc is a dead and will take decades to come to some sort of realization.

Seth Brundle · 14-11-2019 11:38am

Macy0161 wrote: »

There does seem to be some movement towards PT/ Bus lanes in the M/N11 upgrade project documents, and some of the politicians comment. Cycling as a solution still chronically over looked (in general, and this project).

There is grudging movement towards PT. The main media organisations are against BusConnects. The politicians are against BusConnects because they would like to have a bus stop outside everybody's house.
The PT system is being led by populist agendas, with limited funding and not by what is best for the free movement of commuters in and around our cities.
As for cycling - don't make me laugh. Completely substandard facilities meaning that cyclists are forced to compete with vehicles for space on the road.
We will spend a lot of money on PT improvement over the coming years and yet very little will change IMO simply because we don't really want it to.

AlekSmart · 14-11-2019 7:06pm

thomasj wrote: »

Bus cancelled this morning so had a 20 minute wait and a smaller GT bus shows up. Bus packed with 15-20 standing , 2 buggies and people standing right up to the front door.

Ironically the plans for my area is for a (smaller bus obviously presuming they rid of VTs ) running every 15 minutes, so this mornings show was a taster of what's to come.

Currently the NTA is very much taken by Fully Electric vehicles,to the detriment of alternatives which are already available and far more reasonable than the Full EV vehicles which come with many compromises.

https://cbwmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/enviro400xlb-8-600x400.jpg

donvito99 · 14-11-2019 8:27pm

itchywhole wrote: »

the NTA are clueless, the public are starting to see this and in the year ahead it will become even more obvious

How and how? What has/is the NTA done/doing to warrant them being clueless?

tom1ie · 14-11-2019 8:38pm

donvito99 wrote: »

How and how? What has/is the NTA done/doing to warrant them being clueless?

The public perception is they are taking a hell of a long time to do very little. No planning permission submitted for BC or metro link......never ending public consultation, allowing politicians change viable plans (original bus connects reorg plan), little to no positive pr. Electrification of commuter services taking ages, deciding there's no need for a metro in SW Dublin even though it has chronic PT times, the worst in the state, that's just off the top of my head.

donvito99 · 14-11-2019 9:23pm

tom1ie wrote: »

The public perception is they are taking a hell of a long time to do very little. No planning permission submitted for BC or metro link......never ending public consultation, allowing politicians change viable plans (original bus connects reorg plan), little to no positive pr. Electrification of commuter services taking ages, deciding there's no need for a metro in SW Dublin even though it has chronic PT times, the worst in the state, that's just off the top of my head.

On the other hand, since the NTA has come into existence, they have advanced MetroLink to drills in the ground and brought about the actual Bus Connect proposal.

As for no need for a Metro in South Dublin, that's because they have not been asked by a Government to do so and no investigation has ever been made into the voracity of such a route. That route has only really existed in the minds of those who are hell bent on prevent Bus Connects in that area.

Politicians are perfectly entitled to change plan. To say that the NTA should not listen to the public or politicians and just plow at their own discretion suggest that you really know very little about what the NTA, what its purpose is and what it is allowed to do.

thomasj · 14-11-2019 9:47pm

AlekSmart wrote:

Currently the NTA is very much taken by Fully Electric vehicles,to the detriment of alternatives which are already available and far more reasonable than the Full EV vehicles which come with many compromises.

The answer to these problems were the BRT plans, plenty of capacity and room for multiple buggy's and wheelchairs. We going further and further backwards.

Spanish Eyes · 14-11-2019 10:01pm

The long time frame for this is putting people off.

I do realise that there are many issues to be ironed out re bus lanes/cyclists and so on, but it could be introduced on a phased basis on the so called "good" bus lanes that currently exist.

I am not impressed with the timeline at all. Phase it in, see how it will work and then let people see how it might work for them.

The timeline for this is worse than Luas or Underground. Honestly.

Surely it can be phased in and make a difference without delay to some routes as a start. If people see how good that is, they may be less impatient, or maybe they will be more impatient.

I am not impressed with the timeline here at all. Sorry.

tom1ie · 15-11-2019 3:36pm

donvito99 wrote: »

On the other hand, since the NTA has come into existence, they have advanced MetroLink to drills in the ground and brought about the actual Bus Connect proposal.

As for no need for a Metro in South Dublin, that's because they have not been asked by a Government to do so and no investigation has ever been made into the voracity of such a route. That route has only really existed in the minds of those who are hell bent on prevent Bus Connects in that area.

Politicians are perfectly entitled to change plan. To say that the NTA should not listen to the public or politicians and just plow at their own discretion suggest that you really know very little about what the NTA, what its purpose is and what it is allowed to do.

Ah finally someone who can enlighten me as to what the nta’s purpose is. Go ahead and let me know, as I thought the nta were here to sort out the country’s traffic problems and develop a fully functioning and coherent public transport system.

MJohnston · 15-11-2019 3:39pm

tom1ie wrote: »

The public perception is they are taking a hell of a long time to do very little.

I'd argue that it's very generous to assume the public has any perception of the NTA, or public transport in general.

tom1ie · 15-11-2019 3:44pm

MJohnston wrote: »

I'd argue that it's very generous to assume the public has any perception of the NTA, or public transport in general.

Actually your probably right, and whose fault is that? I’d blame the nta and their lack of public profile and lack of progress in solving the commuter chaos we have.

I mean, if you think about this, they are trying to solve a massive problem by trying to get bc off the ground, whereas if they concentrated on solving specific pinch points first, for example the building of bus lanes on kilinniny road which is only a 2km stretch.
If this project was rolled out with big “provided by the nta” road signs, that would get huge public positivity behind them, instead of the shambles we have now.

sharper · 15-11-2019 3:53pm

tom1ie wrote: »

Actually your probably right, and whose fault is that? I’d blame the nta and their lack of public profile and lack of progress in solving the commuter chaos we have.

I wouldn't stand behind every decision made by the NTA but a lot of time what their plans are just fine but get messed around at the political level, either national or city council. See Luas Cross City for example where DCC declined to implement the proper traffic management measures.

BusConnects is the same. The initial plan is not perfect but it's being torn apart at the political level. This is where a good minister for transport would be out fighting the political battles but is instead acting as if he's unaware the NTA has anything to do with him.

MJohnston · 15-11-2019 4:07pm

tom1ie wrote: »

Actually your probably right, and whose fault is that? I’d blame the nta and their lack of public profile and lack of progress in solving the commuter chaos we have.

I mean, if you think about this, they are trying to solve a massive problem by trying to get bc off the ground, whereas if they concentrated on solving specific pinch points first, for example the building of bus lanes on kilinniny road which is only a 2km stretch.
If this project was rolled out with big “provided by the nta” road signs, that would get huge public positivity behind them, instead of the shambles we have now.

I pretty much disagree that the NTA are responsible for lack of progress. That's at the feet of various governments, who have nothing in mind other than electability concerns.

And the brand of the NTA does not matter to the public. It only matters that the public don't raise issues of public transport to their councillors or TDs. Instead the most vocal contingents are The AA or the Dublin car park owner's association.

Fine Gael, in particular (though FF are just as bad when in power), have little interest in objective, technocratic modes of governance. They are capitalistic populists. In other words - they are unwilling to give the country what it actually needs, they are only willing to give the country what they think it wants.

The NTA can only operate at the mercy of the government of the time.

MJohnston · 15-11-2019 4:16pm

And yes, having a Minister for Transport like Shane Ross, who very clearly could not give a single solitary **** about anything to do with transport, is a real problem for the NTA. They need someone to be a political defender for them, to fight their corner. Shane Ross, meanwhile, is more likely to throw them under the bus (pun not intended) for his own glory (as he did repeatedly with Stepaside bus routes under BusConnects)

donvito99 · 16-11-2019 12:50am

tom1ie wrote: »

Ah finally someone who can enlighten me as to what the nta’s purpose is. Go ahead and let me know, as I thought the nta were here to sort out the country’s traffic problems and develop a fully functioning and coherent public transport system.

That's exactly what they're doing. But you complained that it was somehow the NTAs fault that funding has not been released to actually start on the projects they have adopted/created, and that it is somehow bad that the NTA should actually involve the public - i.e. th end user - in developing their plans.

Consider yourself enlightened

tom1ie · 16-11-2019 3:19pm

donvito99 wrote: »

That's exactly what they're doing. But you complained that it was somehow the NTAs fault that funding has not been released to actually start on the projects they have adopted/created, and that it is somehow bad that the NTA should actually involve the public - i.e. th end user - in developing their plans.

Consider yourself enlightened

Sure buddy great story. :rolleyes:

I never mentioned funding once.
I said the public perception was, the length of time it takes for the nta to deliver projects is ludicrous.

But hey don’t let those facts get in the way.
Just for the record, I do think it’s crazy we are giving so much input to the public for this project. Jarrett walker was hired to come up with a plan.
Him and his team are the experts.
Not Johnny and Ann who think they know better than anyone else and whose only motive is to make sure they can drive and park their car wherever they want.
Please read peoples posts more carefully in future.
Consider yourself corrected.

donvito99 · 16-11-2019 4:27pm

Let's go through some of your genius critiques again

tom1ie wrote: »

No planning permission submitted for BC or metro link......

Shure why should massive, billion quid infrastructure projects take a little while to prepare to submit to various local and national planning organisations (Metro is a railway order and not planning by the way). Why not just submit it now, be rejected, and delay these projects. That'd definitely speed things up alright.

never ending public consultation, allowing politicians change viable plans (original bus connects reorg plan)

That was always the plan and it is the only way this project - ultimately funded by politicians - was ever going to proceed.

little to no positive pr.

Their copious advertising online covering BusConnects, Metro and Dart expansion would beg to differ.

Electrification of commuter services taking ages,

Shure you'd lash it up wouldn't you and we'd have Darts to everywhere in no time... Government has only recently instructed (by saying it would fund) to proceed with Maynooth as a priority, likely having been advised that this was easier and more sensible to implement in priority to the Northern Line by the NTA.

deciding there's no need for a metro in SW Dublin even though it has chronic PT times, the worst in the state

This is just hilarious. Do you actually have an idea of the scope of what the NTA is charged with doing/what it can actually do? Do you really think they can go off and develop their own pet projects, independent of Government, and just crack on and break ground?

that's just off the top of my head.

Jaysis I would never have guessed...

tom1ie wrote: »

Sure buddy great story. :rolleyes:

I said the public perception was, the length of time it takes for the nta to deliver projects is ludicrous.

So the public are angry that the NTA haven't been quicker in delivering projects despite being hamstrung by the fact that they cannot proceed any quicker than the the politicians, the planners and the law allows?

In fact, it's public perception and the public's local councillors that are responsible and will be responsible for future delays in these projects.

But hey let's just blame the NTA...

Just for the record, I do think it’s crazy we are giving so much input to the public for this project. Jarrett walker was hired to come up with a plan.
Him and his team are the experts.
Not Johnny and Ann who think they know better than anyone else and whose only motive is to make sure they can drive and park their car wherever they want.
Please read peoples posts more carefully in future.
Consider yourself corrected.

:pac::pac:

So if you were in charge of the NTA, you'd just;

1. Ignore statutory remit of the NTA
2. Ignore public
3. Complete all projects without proper planning and without any funding

Yeah that'll go down well.

It's reading posts like these that makes me think that we're not far away from some sort of Brexit like insanity in this country.

tom1ie · 16-11-2019 10:46pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Let's go through some of your genius critiques again

Shure why should massive, billion quid infrastructure projects take a little while to prepare to submit to various local and national planning organisations (Metro is a railway order and not planning by the way). Why not just submit it now, be rejected, and delay these projects. That'd definitely speed things up alright.

That was always the plan and it is the only way this project - ultimately funded by politicians - was ever going to proceed.

Their copious advertising online covering BusConnects, Metro and Dart expansion would beg to differ.

Shure you'd lash it up wouldn't you and we'd have Darts to everywhere in no time... Government has only recently instructed (by saying it would fund) to proceed with Maynooth as a priority, likely having been advised that this was easier and more sensible to implement in priority to the Northern Line by the NTA.

This is just hilarious. Do you actually have an idea of the scope of what the NTA is charged with doing/what it can actually do? Do you really think they can go off and develop their own pet projects, independent of Government, and just crack on and break ground?

Jaysis I would never have guessed...

So the public are angry that the NTA haven't been quicker in delivering projects despite being hamstrung by the fact that they cannot proceed any quicker than the the politicians, the planners and the law allows?

In fact, it's public perception and the public's local councillors that are responsible and will be responsible for future delays in these projects.

But hey let's just blame the NTA...

:pac::pac:

So if you were in charge of the NTA, you'd just;

1. Ignore statutory remit of the NTA
2. Ignore public
3. Complete all projects without proper planning and without any funding

Yeah that'll go down well.

It's reading posts like these that makes me think that we're not far away from some sort of Brexit like insanity in this country.

Yeah your dead right buddy. I can see this discussion only going one way so I will say enjoy your opinion. Best of luck.

thomasj · 19-11-2019 12:13am

Standing on the quays since 10.30pm waiting on a 39a, as of 11.10pm still waiting and in that time a 37, 39 and 39A have passed full.

I really hope busconnects have something magical up their sleeve because if they done it's completely pointless for nights like this.

Edit:Just got on one now at 11.20pm, a 50 minute wait tonight.

edit:And whatever's going on this week the 11.30 39/a departures from ongar only left just before midnight tonight

salmocab · 19-11-2019 8:31am

thomasj wrote: »

Standing on the quays since 10.30pm waiting on a 39a, as of 11.10pm still waiting and in that time a 37, 39 and 39A have passed full.

I really hope busconnects have something magical up their sleeve because if they done it's completely pointless for nights like this.

Edit:Just got on one now at 11.20pm, a 50 minute wait tonight.

edit:And whatever's going on this week the 11.30 39/a departures from ongar only left just before midnight tonight

To be fair there was a match on in the Aviva so there would have been abnormal levels of people around.

machaseh · 19-11-2019 9:37am

thomasj wrote: »

Standing on the quays since 10.30pm waiting on a 39a, as of 11.10pm still waiting and in that time a 37, 39 and 39A have passed full.

I really hope busconnects have something magical up their sleeve because if they done it's completely pointless for nights like this.

Edit:Just got on one now at 11.20pm, a 50 minute wait tonight.

edit:And whatever's going on this week the 11.30 39/a departures from ongar only left just before midnight tonight

That's abysmal. They should have built the LUAS all the way to blanch town centre from the start.

cherryghost · 19-11-2019 10:27am

thomasj wrote: »

Standing on the quays since 10.30pm waiting on a 39a, as of 11.10pm still waiting and in that time a 37, 39 and 39A have passed full.

I really hope busconnects have something magical up their sleeve because if they done it's completely pointless for nights like this.

Edit:Just got on one now at 11.20pm, a 50 minute wait tonight.

edit:And whatever's going on this week the 11.30 39/a departures from ongar only left just before midnight tonight

'Waiting for the 39A'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTVjnBo96Ug

BonnieSituation · 19-11-2019 3:05pm

machaseh wrote: »

That's abysmal. They should have built the LUAS all the way to blanch town centre from the start.

Imagine how interminable that journey would be. Nope.

Qrt · 19-11-2019 8:52pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Imagine how interminable that journey would be. Nope.

The DART should help a fair bit once it gets out that way. Couple that with the planned circulator bus routes.

fly_agaric · 19-11-2019 11:03pm

thomasj wrote: »

Standing on the quays since 10.30pm waiting on a 39a, as of 11.10pm still waiting and in that time a 37, 39 and 39A have passed full.

I really hope busconnects have something magical up their sleeve because if they done it's completely pointless for nights like this.

Edit:Just got on one now at 11.20pm, a 50 minute wait tonight.

edit:And whatever's going on this week the 11.30 39/a departures from ongar only left just before midnight tonight

That's bad. Had noticed these routes seem to be pretty much at breaking point now during rush hours esp. on a wet day or the likes. The frequencies are quite high (higher than what seems to be in Busconnects plan for the "spine" if I read it right?). The busses are often packed full leaving the city centre in evening + Blanch in morning and can't pick up any more people en route.

They could always put some racks on the sides of the busses for people to hang on ala India or Pakistan to deal with the next 5-10 years of growth with no new transport infrastructure:pac:. Traffic will be so seized up and chaotic anyway it will likely be safe enough.
Of course the annual pass for huffing your fellow commuter's armpit on the sweatbox each morning (...seats, you should be so lucky!) is going up by the standard few % next year...

I'm not a bitter little "bus wanker", no siree!

machaseh · 25-11-2019 10:50am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Imagine how interminable that journey would be. Nope.

Uhm what are you on about buddy?

From town to Brides Glen is about 17 km by luas and takes about 1 hour. Blanch to town is only about 11 kms so it would take much less time.

BonnieSituation · 25-11-2019 11:09am

machaseh wrote: »

Uhm what are you on about buddy?

From town to Brides Glen is about 17 km by luas and takes about 1 hour. Blanch to town is only about 11 kms so it would take much less time.

Two things, buddy, you're under some impression that that 11km will be done in its most direct fashion. It won't, it'll go around the houses.

Secondly, pal, just because we have tram lines of a length that we do doesn't mean we need to keep building more or extending what we have.

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