Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

Idbatterim · 06-11-2019 1:27pm

Is this being proposed as a cheaper measure or what ?

LXFlyer · 06-11-2019 1:39pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Is this being proposed as a cheaper measure or what ?

As a suggestion, why not read the documents?

The DAA submission to CAR explains the plans in copious detail

https://www.dublinairport.com/docs/default-source/cip-2020/submission-to-regulator.pdf?sfvrsn=845c46bd_2

Locker10a · 06-11-2019 1:50pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Is this being proposed as a cheaper measure or what ?

I don’t think anything to the scale will be built and operational in the next 10 years, unfortunately

Kev11491 · 07-11-2019 9:49am

41 is going 24/7 from the 1st of December, hopefully that will help ease the amount of people waiting for taxis.

Every 30 mins apparently

IE 222 · 07-11-2019 12:55pm

Captain_Crash wrote: »

It adds some more gates and space by clearing away the cargo building which is there currently. So more space and more gates, never a bad thing at an airport.

I believe it also means there will be no bottleneck and 2 A330's can pass each other which is not currently possible.

Yeah it's always a good thing of course but I don't think it's going to reduce the demand on the south gates as some are hoping it will.

Can the fuel tanks not be removed to allow for further expansion. I always felt these tanks were very exposed to the public and a very easy target for someone with bad intentions.

Blut2 · 07-11-2019 1:20pm

Kev11491 wrote: »

41 is going 24/7 from the 1st of December, hopefully that will help ease the amount of people waiting for taxis.

Every 30 mins apparently

https://www.98fm.com/news/24-hour-bus-service-dublin-begin-next-month-922365

Dublin's first 24 hour bus service will start running on December 1st.

Earlier this year the National Transport Authority confirmed the number 41, that runs between Swords and the city centre, would be the first route to be trialed. The service also stops at Dublin Airport. The number 15, between Clongriffen and Knocklyon, will also become 24/7 under the plans.

Services will run every half an hour through the night on both routes.

Thats a smart route to go 24/7 on, I'd imagine a lot of airport staff will use it.

Hopefully it does make even a small dent in the taxi queues at least too.

Kev11491 · 07-11-2019 3:02pm

Blut2 wrote: »

https://www.98fm.com/news/24-hour-bus-service-dublin-begin-next-month-922365

Thats a smart route to go 24/7 on, I'd imagine a lot of airport staff will use it.

Hopefully it does make even a small dent in the taxi queues at least too.

I'm hoping the fares stay the same also, it'll be a great alternative for people in the CC and north city

Ben D Bus · 07-11-2019 8:06pm

Kev11491 wrote: »

I'm hoping the fares stay the same also, it'll be a great alternative for people in the CC and north city

Fares will be as normal day services. This is a regular service, not Nitelink.

EI321 · 08-11-2019 1:06am

While we are on the subject of airport bus services, does anyone think the actual bus stop area itself is extremely confusing in its layout. I'm talking specifically in terms of the fact that many of the people using it have just arrived from another country and have never been on Dublin Bus before. Dublin bus' tactic of having a ticket desk right outside terminal 2 suggesting that the 747 route is the only bus to the city is unfair considering they are charging twice the price for almost the same service. Of the 5/6 times that I have got a 16 or 41 into town from the airport, I have been asked by confused looking tourists each time how to use it or where does this bus go, etc.

LXFlyer · 08-11-2019 5:07am

EI321 wrote: »

While we are on the subject of airport bus services, does anyone think the actual bus stop area itself is extremely confusing in its layout. I'm talking specifically in terms of the fact that many of the people using it have just arrived from another country and have never been on Dublin Bus before. Dublin bus' tactic of having a ticket desk right outside terminal 2 suggesting that the 747 route is the only bus to the city is unfair considering they are charging twice the price for almost the same service. Of the 5/6 times that I have got a 16 or 41 into town from the airport, I have been asked by confused looking tourists each time how to use it or where does this bus go, etc.

Sadly the DAA sees the provision of bus stop space as a commodity with which to make money rather than viewing it as a service. The bus stop locations are subject to competitive tender. Both Dublin Bus and Aircoach pay significant sums of money to use the kerbside areas for their commercial services.

They need to make their money back somehow.

Hotblack Desiato · 08-11-2019 2:13pm

Isn't that something the regulator should be taking action on in the consumer interest, instead of fecking around with already low landing charges?

Irish Steve · 08-11-2019 2:43pm

The provision (or more correctly the lack of provision) for buses, especially the BE services, has been a source of much irritation to me for quite some time, in that there is no guidance about the stand or the time of the next service anywhere other than on the stands, so for infirm or elderly passengers, having to sit (or stand, depending on the number waiting) at the stand for prolonged periods of time is a less than exquisite form of torture, in that there is no way to be sure what time the bus will actually arrive, and personal experience of the 109A, the Kells Airport service, is that it is completely unreliable time wise, a supposedly hourly service is often up to 50 minutes late, or completely missing, and the on line mapping system that should show where the buses are doesn't work because BE won't sort out the Google licensing issues, so there's no map to display the buses on for smartphone users.

The totally insufficient and inadequate provision of any sort of facility and the absence of accurate information for passengers in a warm and dry location is a travesty, and due to the unreliability of the services, and the lack of accurate information, it's not safe to stay in the area under the multi storey car park (which is marginally warmer and drier) as it is altogether possible for a bus to arrive at a stand and be gone before you get to the stand from the under cover area.

It's a part of the total lack of joined up thinking in relation to the transport needs of the airport and surrounding areas, which is way beyond the remit of this thread, DAA and government have a lot to answer for in their lack of a competent and coherent strategy for the needs of both staff and travelling public, I've been watching this for over 30 years, and despair at the inability of the relevant bodies to make sensible and informed decisions. Worse, I don't see it changing any time soon, the inability to come up with a sensible Metro strategy, and linked bus and coach services is a major aspect on the appalling traffic congestion that all too often makes getting to and from the airport a lot less pleasant that it could be.

EI321 · 16-12-2019 12:41am

McEvaddy proposal for Terminal 3:

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/mcevaddy-group-offers-to-pay-for-50m-airport-link-38785549.html

Beechwoodspark · 16-12-2019 10:00am

EI321 wrote: »

McEvaddy proposal for Terminal 3:

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/mcevaddy-group-offers-to-pay-for-50m-airport-link-38785549.html

No need for another terminal

L1011 · 16-12-2019 10:03am

Never going to happen

Beechwoodspark · 16-12-2019 10:04am

L1011 wrote: »

Never going to happen

Especially not with mcevaddy leading the project.

prunudo · 16-12-2019 11:04am

Surely if a 3rd terminal is ever built it needs to be connected into the existing terminals and infrastructure. No point having tourists arriving at the wrong place and being able to transit easily. Id say Daa would put up a fight to allow a third party access its area's. Sounds like he is piggy backing off a 3rd terminal idea with the real intention being to open up access to m2 to build offices and commercial buildings.

Kermit.de.frog · 16-12-2019 11:46am

The airport needs a new terminal and to develop the western part of the campus.

Get it done I say.

@ L1011 you have the most attrocious attitude to infrastructure in Ireland.

All your arguments are why things can't be done as opposed to why they can be.

Everything is "too big", "not needed", "impossible" in a "we are only Irish" sort of way.

Very depressing attitude.

Larbre34 · 16-12-2019 12:41pm

McEvaddy will never be let develop a private terminal within the confines of the runways, its not in the DAAs interest and that makes it not in the Govts interest. TII won't entertain a motorway link to the M2 because the cost benefit doesn't stack up, its just a roundabout way of dumping more traffic on the M50, because the M2 northbound is not a demand route for Airport traffic.

DAA will feck about accommodating the additional pax from the 2nd runway in T1 and 2 and when it suits them they'll CPO the McEvaddy lands and hope the brothers are gone from old age by then. Their investors will take the premium and walk, open and shut case.

LXFlyer · 16-12-2019 12:41pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The airport needs a new terminal and to develop the western part of the campus.

Get it done I say.

@ L1011 you have the most attrocious attitude to infrastructure in Ireland.

All your arguments are why things can't be done as opposed to why they can be.

Everything is "too big", "not needed", "impossible" in a "we are only Irish" sort of way.

Very depressing attitude.

L1011 isn’t saying what you think they are saying.

There is already a DAA masterplan for development of the airport with satellite terminals to the west.

That is the only show in town.

Kermit.de.frog · 16-12-2019 12:46pm

A motorway link to the M2 is inevitable one way or another as the only natural development progression of the airport is to the west.

Does not matter if it's the DAA that eventually builds it or not.

The main priority must also be to connect the present campus with the new western campus via underground transportation. This will enable the existing public transport set up to also be utilised in addition to the new transport provision for a new terminal.

The DAA are going to make a dogs dinner of the existing terminals for almost €2bn. It's crazy money for what they are going to get.

Larbre34 · 16-12-2019 12:46pm

LXFlyer wrote: »

L1011 isn’t saying what you think they are saying.

There is already a DAA masterplan for development of the airport with satellite terminals to the west.

That is the only show in town.

Quite right.

McEvaddy has nothing but a ransom strip. He can either take what he's offered for it eventually or leave it marooned until he's long gone.

Kermit.de.frog · 16-12-2019 12:48pm

LXFlyer wrote: »

L1011 isn’t saying what you think they are saying.

There is already a DAA masterplan for development of the airport with satellite terminals to the west.

That is the only show in town.

The DAA are crippled by debt and are going to throw another 2 billion on top of that just to get the airport to 40 million passengers.

Every reason to believe they won't have the financial capacity to do any of their long term plan for 55 million passengers.

And we have a regulator making the situation worse!

Larbre34 · 16-12-2019 1:06pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The DAA are crippled by debt and are going to throw another 2 billion on top of that just to get the airport to 40 million passengers.

Every reason to believe they won't have the financial capacity to do any of their long term plan for 55 million passengers.

And we have a regulator making the situation worse!

DAA are on a A- corporate rating with positive outlook, they can refinance at preferential rates till the cows come home.

Speaking of cows, thats all that'll be out there while McEvaddy controls the land.

L1011 · 16-12-2019 1:09pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The airport needs a new terminal and to develop the western part of the campus.

Get it done I say.

@ L1011 you have the most attrocious attitude to infrastructure in Ireland.

All your arguments are why things can't be done as opposed to why they can be.

Everything is "too big", "not needed", "impossible" in a "we are only Irish" sort of way.

Very depressing attitude.

You are banned from Infrastructure for a reason. Do you want that to happen here?

Also, as pointed out you've jumped to a wrong conclusion here

Kermit.de.frog · 16-12-2019 1:13pm

L1011 wrote: »

You are banned from Infrastructure for a reason. Do you want that to happen here?

Also, as pointed out you've jumped to a wrong conclusion here

I will consider reporting this post.

Thank you.

Larbre34 · 16-12-2019 1:14pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I will consider reporting this post.

Thank you.

You're some piece. Same in every forum. Report away.

Kermit.de.frog · 16-12-2019 1:20pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

You're some piece. Same in every forum. Report away.

I put forward my arguments - always well articulated and respectful - not my problem if some don't like it.

I am banned from infrastructure because of my opinions simple as that and I resent a moderator bringing that up like that as some sort of lightning rod for passive bullying of me to occur by others like yourself.

I think that is awful.

If you disagree then disagree but you should avoid making personal attacks.

awec · 16-12-2019 1:23pm

I don't have an indo account so can't read the full article. What are those other buildings in the main image in the article (the ones in the foreground)? Offices?

Is there really a demand for office space in such a location?

Kermit.de.frog · 16-12-2019 1:27pm

It looks like a very crude impression and not an actual plan.

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