THE MELBOURNE CUP

amadain · 30-10-2019 8:59am

Mellor wrote: »

Nah mate. It's on every year and has been for a while

Meanwhile, good on ya Joseph

Slattsy · 30-10-2019 10:02am

I've never liked Australians. And their beer is ****e. But Vienna is lovely to be fair and well worth a visit.

basillarkin · 30-10-2019 1:39pm

I am superman runs in rosehill on Saturday anybody here having any more info bar the racing post?

tryfix · 30-10-2019 4:47pm

Itsabrack wrote: »

Looks like Ryan Moore is the man for the big occasion on any horse, any race, any course and any bloody country! I don't think any Australian jockey could have done any better on the last 2 big winners he has rode down there. Fair deuce to him, we are priveliged to be seeing one of the greatest jockeys ever at the top of his game.

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Great ride by Moore. That's why he's the best jockey in the world.

"Things you don't hear people saying anymore"

basillarkin · 02-11-2019 6:34am

Glen Boss big race jock wins the golden eagle. No joy from i am superman and ó Briens runner.

amadain · 02-11-2019 9:52am

Mellor wrote: »

Nah mate. It's on every year and has been for a while

When’s it on again mate

longshotvalue · 04-11-2019 9:31am

‪#MelbourneCup ‬

‪Going for 3 here .‬

‪Latrobe (possible best horse in race , readied for this )‬

‪1 pt win 25 betfair‬

‪Southern France sure to be involved ‬

‪1 or win 25 Betfair ‬

‪Rostropovich silly price big run coming‬

‪1 point win 130‬

‪2 points place 5 places 15‬

Mellor · 04-11-2019 12:09pm

amadain wrote: »

When’s it on again mate

It’s on twice in the next 12 months

The Tetrarch · 04-11-2019 3:13pm

14 of the 24 runners were foaled in GB or IRE.
A small bet on Rostropovich at 120s just to have an interest.

Francie Barrett · 04-11-2019 4:56pm

Constantinople ahould have won the Caulfield Cup a few weeks back, but found trouble in-running. The small shift in the weights and the softer going should see it overturn Mer De Glace. The problem is 3 year olds don't have a good record in this race, so I am inclined to skip it, as much as I like the jockey, pedigree and form.

IAMAMORON · 04-11-2019 5:59pm

Master of Reality at 16's paying 6 places works for me. Placed in the gold cup and has run some nice races all season. The race is a bigger pin job than most sprint handicaps, what I am saying here is that you need a lot of luck to win it.

Given that Latrobe has won an Irish Derby he has to have a chance at around 14/1. The only group 1 winner in the race by the looks of things.

BoroMan32 · 04-11-2019 6:16pm

There's a lot to like about Latrobe stepping up in trip, another feather in the JOB cap hopefully.

Backed him e/w.

brickster69 · 04-11-2019 6:29pm

Francie Barrett wrote: »

. The problem is 3 year olds don't have a good record in this race,

Think you must mean another race. The last two winners were 3YO's. Before that very few had even attempted to run as 3 Yo's.

The Tetrarch · 04-11-2019 6:33pm

Fecks sake. It is on the telly. I might stay up and watch it.

BumperD · 04-11-2019 6:34pm

brickster69 wrote: »

Think you must mean another race. The last two winners were 3YO's. Before that very few had even attempted to run as 3 Yo's.

It may well be difference in birthday dates between northern and Southern Hemisphere that is proving the confusion. They are listed as 4yr olds on some sites but were actually 3yr olds in our hemisphere

Nevin Parsnipp · 04-11-2019 6:42pm

Stuck a few bob on Latrobe ...class should tell ...if gets the trip .

IAMAMORON · 04-11-2019 7:00pm

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Fecks sake. It is on the telly. I might stay up and watch it.

I wouldn't bother, it starts at 4 am and lasts just over 2 minutes, madness if you have school in the morning. The hours between 1 and 4 in the morning can be very long, especially if your not up to much. It is a Monday night remember.

Andrew00 · 04-11-2019 7:05pm

Latrobe for me as well

Francie Barrett · 04-11-2019 7:38pm

BumperD wrote: »

It may well be difference in birthday dates between northern and Southern Hemisphere that is proving the confusion. They are listed as 4yr olds on some sites but were actually 3yr olds in our hemisphere

You are correct. I have no excuse now not to get on.

04-11-2019 8:10pm

Ive a few bob on Raymond Tusk @ 20-1 ew

He was an unlucky 4th in the Ebor after a luckless run (carried 60.5kg....runs off 54kg in Cup) and a decent Ascot 2nd to dee Ex Bee (giving 5lb) a few runs back.

HarshOstrich · 04-11-2019 8:41pm

Constantinople
Prince of arran
Downdraft
These are my 3 small e/w bets in the race.

gazza1 · 04-11-2019 11:03pm

2 ew bets for me

Latrobe 14/1 6 places
Surprise Baby 16/1 6 places.

Looks like the going will be good to soft which isn't always good for low draw numbers.
Last year was gd/sft and the first 4 home all had a double digit draw.

Good luck

Mellor · 04-11-2019 11:22pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Given that Latrobe has won an Irish Derby he has to have a chance at around 14/1. The only group 1 winner in the race by the looks of things.

You must be looking at the wrong race.

brickster69 wrote: »

Think you must mean another race. The last two winners were 3YO's. Before that very few had even attempted to run as 3 Yo's.

Officially, 23 Three Year olds have won. And 45 four year olds.

BumperD wrote: »

It may well be difference in birthday dates between northern and Southern Hemisphere that is proving the confusion. They are listed as 4yr olds on some sites but were actually 3yr olds in our hemisphere

It's a sourthern hemisphere race, so southern hemisphere stats are typically recorded. For arguments sake, call them 3.5 year olds. If you were to move them into a lower bracket, then you'd have to move any overseas 3 years old into a 2 year old bracket (which doesn't exist)

IAMAMORON · 05-11-2019 12:26am

Mellor wrote: »

You must be looking at the wrong race.

How do you mean ?

4068ac1elhodqr · 05-11-2019 1:22am

Price boosts for win only:
Southern France @ 26.00, RTusk@23, Latrobe@26 (subject to price/offer change)
Otherwise (7pl) e/w for Prince of Arran on the week's mixed acca.

G'Day.

lemush · 05-11-2019 1:40am

IAMAMORON wrote: »

How do you mean ?

He's including G1 handicaps I'd imagine.

tryfix · 05-11-2019 3:11am

It's a game of Darts with both Joseph and Aidan running 4 and 3 each plus a load of their ex horses running in it as well. I think Southern France could run a big race, his Irish Leger form puts him ahead of plenty of the field. I'm quite worried about this being his first start for his new trainer, so a place is probably as good as he'll do. The Japanese horse and Cross Counter are the class acts in the field. I would love to see Magic Wand win but can't see her lasting home. That's the top 4 finishers for ye ( not

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Mellor · 05-11-2019 7:01am

IAMAMORON wrote: »

How do you mean ?

lemush wrote: »

He's including G1 handicaps I'd imagine.

I don't feel like taking apart the whole field post race. But as a start,
But I'll just point out that the Melbourne Cup itself is a group 1 race, and put it bed at no.1

basillarkin · 05-11-2019 8:21am

Feel sick after that. Was on track. Thought I had it in the bad. Had a nice wedge on Frankie and Joseph's horse.

lemush · 05-11-2019 10:20am

Mellor wrote: »

I don't feel like taking apart the whole field post race. But as a start,
But I'll just point out that the Melbourne Cup itself is a group 1 race, and put it bed at no.1

So you were including group 1 handicaps. Simple.

The Tetrarch · 05-11-2019 11:18am

I got the treble up.
Backed last in the English Oaks, last in the English Derby, and last in the Melbourne Cup.

IAMAMORON · 05-11-2019 11:53am

Mellor wrote: »

I don't feel like taking apart the whole field post race. But as a start,
But I'll just point out that the Melbourne Cup itself is a group 1 race, and put it bed at no.1

So is the Ryanair Steeplechase, but its' not really though is it?

For future reference and to save yourself the hassle, the only places in the world where the real Group 1's happen are in Ireland, the UK and France. I will give a minor dispensation for Meydan's last carnival day, but that is about it. An honourable mention to the Preis Von Whateveritsnameis in Germany.

The only other grade/group 1's are on the Dirt tracks in the states, it is a different style of racing so as such warrants its' own type of respect. The Breeders Cup is probably worth trying to win, but a lot of brilliant horses have never bothered. If you can name me the last decent winner of a turf race in Canada without googling it I will post you a selection box with a congratulations note.

I think the Asian anticlockwise stuff does not really count if I am honest. I have seen several Curragh handicappers who have won a maiden get sold over there for 2 million and subjected to some of the most drastic drug treatments any animal should be, all to allow the locals get stuck into them 364 days a year, they are called group 1's but I am not so sure, maybe the Japan Cup , at a stretch.

The Melbourne Cup is a handicap, if it was a group 1 they would all run off the same weight with a fillies and mares allowance. There might be scope to give an allowance to Australian bred 3 year olds, that is all.

If you need my advice on anything else in the future please feel free to ask.

tryfix · 05-11-2019 12:54pm

It's a strange kind of racing where the first 8 finishers in a mega money 2 mile G1 finish within 1 1/2 lengths of each other, with the top 20 finishers all finishing within 7 1/4 lengths of each other.

Guess the handicapper can be proud of themselves. The ex P Prendergast 4yo winner Vow and Declare was getting 7lbs off the Joseph O'Brien 4yo. It's a farce to be calling these handicaps Grade 1 races.

Magic Wand in 10th finished well from way back, it was a strange tactic to be holding up such a classy front runner. I can see the logic re getting the trip, but could have seen her finishing closer if raced near the pace.

lemush · 05-11-2019 1:11pm

Drawn 24 probably the reason she couldn't get prominent.

Mellor · 05-11-2019 2:12pm

lemush wrote: »

So you were including group 1 handicaps. Simple.

I didn’t say your assumption was incorrect.

IAMAMORON wrote: »

So is the Ryanair Steeplechase, but its' not really though is it?

For future reference and to save yourself the hassle, the only places in the world where the real Group 1's happen are in Ireland, the UK and France. I will give a minor dispensation for Meydan's last carnival day, but that is about it. An honourable mention to the Preis Von Whateveritsnameis in Germany.

The only other grade/group 1's are on the Dirt tracks in the states, it is a different style of racing so as such warrants its' own type of respect. The Breeders Cup is probably worth trying to win, but a lot of brilliant horses have never bothered. If you can name me the last decent winner of a turf race in Canada without googling it I will post you a selection box with a congratulations note.

I think the Asian anticlockwise stuff does not really count if I am honest. I have seen several Curragh handicappers who have won a maiden get sold over there for 2 million and subjected to some of the most drastic drug treatments any animal should be, all to allow the locals get stuck into them 364 days a year, they are called group 1's but I am not so sure, maybe the Japan Cup , at a stretch.

The Melbourne Cup is a handicap, if it was a group 1 they would all run off the same weight with a fillies and mares allowance. There might be scope to give an allowance to Australian bred 3 year olds, that is all.

If you need my advice on anything else in the future please feel free to ask.

It’s officially a group 1 handicap.
You can argue all you want about how it shouldn’t be called that, or how it’s not a real group 1.
But nonetheless, it’s a group 1 race. That’s a fact, not an opinion.

Obviously few Australian horses run in Ireland, the UK and France G1s. I don’t think that was as big an insight as you thought in your head.

BumperD · 05-11-2019 2:30pm

It’s a good handicap in fairness . I’d put it on or near on par with the Ebor handicap.

One thing they have right down there is prize money. We have a bit of catching up to do. Surprised no one mentioned the winning trainers cobalt case. Hopefully the horse wasn’t juiced to the eyeballs but I guess we will not hear.

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