UK licence after Brexit

R.O.R · 01-03-2019 5:46pm

So I'll lose D1 & D1E, but looks like I should keep C1, BE & C1E?

Vologda69 · 01-03-2019 5:48pm

Vologda69 wrote: »

See above

You are entitled to F (tractor), P (moped), B, BE, C1, C1E. Rest are restricted national categories.

Vologda69 · 01-03-2019 5:48pm

R.O.R wrote: »

So I'll lose D1 & D1E, but looks like I should keep C1, BE & C1E?

Correct

Vologda69 · 01-03-2019 5:50pm

GM228 wrote: »

No it's not, p is a UK national category with different licencing criteria to the EU AM

RSA grants it. Simple as.

I attach RSA own issuing gudelines. The only time codes 1 and 7 are used in on UK paper licences. And as the attached show, they are not exchangeable. You are welcome

GM228 · 01-03-2019 6:16pm

Vologda69 wrote: »

Codes 1 and 7 (as they appear on older paper licences) next to C and D categories are the same as 101 and 107 on later ones. They are not transferable under any circumstances as they are recognised only in the UK.

They are know as "restriction 1" etc on the old paper licence, not code 1, indeed they are not transferable. But you said code 1 on any UK licence and didn't distinguish to the paper restriction 1, codes 1 to 40 on any EU licence are exchangeable.

Vologda69 · 01-03-2019 6:24pm

GM228 wrote: »

They are know as "restriction 1" etc on the old paper licence, not code 1, indeed they are not transferable. But you said code 1 on any UK licence and didn't distinguish to the paper restriction 1, codes 1 to 40 on any EU licence are exchangeable.

And again the word 'restriction' is not always printed on the licence. The codes however are never granted regardless of when the paper licence was issued. This thread is about UK licences not EU licences in general.

GM228 · 01-03-2019 6:28pm

Vologda69 wrote: »

Ive issued enough in my time. RSA grants it. Simple as.

I attach RSA own issuing gudelines. The only time codes 1 and 7 are used in on UK paper licences. And as the attached show, they are not exchangeable. You are welcome

Thanks for that, that's interesting and is not something supported by legislation!

Vologda69 · 01-03-2019 6:30pm

GM228 wrote: »

Thanks for that, that's interesting and is not something supported by legislation!

No problem. RSA isnt always consistent. But it may be useful for people exchanging.

sunnysoutheast · 01-03-2019 7:46pm

Exchanging mine on Tuesday.

Don't particularly want to but can't take the chance.

tanko · 01-03-2019 9:19pm

Does a ROI resident wirh a NI/UK licence have penalty points applied to their licence in the same way as if they had a ROI licence?

sunnysoutheast · 01-03-2019 9:23pm

tanko wrote: »

Does a ROI resident wirh a NI/UK licence have penalty points applied to their licence in the same way as if they had a ROI licence?

Essentially yes, the points are applied to an Irish "driving record" based on the details of the licence presented.

It's all explained online.

tanko · 01-03-2019 9:31pm

So, there's no truth to the suggestion that ROI residents with NI/UK licences are a lot ess likely to get penalty points?

SCOOP 64 · 01-03-2019 9:48pm

Dont think ill panick to change my one yet,will wait and see what happens.

sunnysoutheast · 01-03-2019 10:04pm

tanko wrote: »

So, there's no truth to the suggestion that ROI residents with NI/UK licences are a lot ess likely to get penalty points?

As I understand it the penalty point system was always applicable to all licences. In practice, however, it doesn't seem to have been applied effectively until a few years ago. There was often posts on here about "ghost licences" where points would never expire and only be applied only when/if the holder exchanged for an Irish licence. I was certainly under that impression originally but I never saw any official documentation.

I can, however, confirm that, at least since 2015, the "driving record" is in operation. I got three points which expired last year.

Another complication is regarding addresses. All communication is to the address on the licence. I can imagine that would cause issues if the holder has no way to receive mail sent to that address. In the case of GB it's now a specific offence to have an out of date address.

01-03-2019 10:14pm

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

Exchanging mine on Tuesday.

Don't particularly want to but can't take the chance.

Same here, I wanted to wait until over 60 (to only have one renewal before 70), but having to do so now to avoid the possibility of insurance companies refusing to accept a UK licence at the next renewal.

sunnysoutheast · 01-03-2019 10:19pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Same here, I wanted to wait until over 60 (to only have one renewal before 70), but having to do so now to avoid the possibility of insurance companies refusing to accept a UK licence at the next renewal.

That's not the main issue, if there's a no deal brexit on the 29th. - in four weeks - it won't be valid if you're resident!

Admittedly it's unlikely to happen but I certainly don't fancy taking my test again.

Marcusm · 01-03-2019 10:22pm

tanko wrote: »

So, there's no truth to the suggestion that ROI residents with NI/UK licences are a lot ess likely to get penalty points?

O it’s true because they are better drivers.

01-03-2019 10:25pm

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

That's not the main issue, if there's a no deal brexit on the 29th. - in four weeks - it won't be valid if you're resident!

Admittedly it's unlikely to happen but I certainly don't fancy taking my test again.

True, but you wouldn't be able to renew the insurance either.
Even if being caught driving on a licence that has been cancelled due to a political situation that we have no control over, I expect drivers would be given a similar warning that the fisherman in Dundalk received today and ordered to get it transferred.

As it is, insurance companies already load the premium for UK licences so we had to change them eventually anyway.

sunnysoutheast · 01-03-2019 10:29pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

True, but you wouldn't be able to renew the insurance either.
Even if being caught driving on a licence that has been cancelled due to a political situation that we have no control over, I expect drivers would be given a similar warning that the fisherman in Dundalk received today and ordered to get it transferred.

As it is, insurance companies already load the premium for UK licences so we had to change them eventually anyway.

In the case of a no-deal Brexit I don't believe the current licence exchange process would be available. That's the point.

Vologda69 · 01-03-2019 10:29pm

tanko wrote: »

So, there's no truth to the suggestion that ROI residents with NI/UK licences are a lot ess likely to get penalty points?

Any points are applied to a temporary RSA driver file. If the driver exchanges their licence, these points are then applied to the new Irish licence.

SCOOP 64 · 01-03-2019 10:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

True, but you wouldn't be able to renew the insurance either.
Even if being caught driving on a licence that has been cancelled due to a political situation that we have no control over, I expect drivers would be given a similar warning that the fisherman in Dundalk received today and ordered to get it transferred.

As it is, insurance companies already load the premium for UK licences so we had to change them eventually anyway.

Always found my insurance quotes no dearer then my wifes with a Irish licence.

sunnysoutheast · 01-03-2019 10:32pm

Vologda69 wrote: »

Any points are applied to a temporary RSA driver file. If the driver exchanges their licence, these points are then applied to the new Irish licence.

That is only if they haven't expired though, right?

Vologda69 · 01-03-2019 10:33pm

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

That is only if they haven't expired though, right?

Exactly, usually held for three years max.

Credit Checker Moose · 01-03-2019 10:34pm

They don't always transfer over. I know several who had at best spotty driving records receive completely clean licences on exchange.

Scaltan · 02-03-2019 10:17am

There is a straightforward solution and one that will be put in place anyhow. At the minute Ireland exchange licences with quite a few States including South Korea??. The basis for these arrangements is that licensing systems are broadly similar. Ireland and U.K. licensing systems are almost identical so Brexit deal or no- deal we will have a licensing arrangement with the UK that is certain. Therefore if I were a UK Licence holder I don't believe there is a need to panic about exchanging before 29 March. The Government should now say it intends following this path so as to stop unnecessary anxiety about this.

Squidgy Black · 02-03-2019 10:52am

Scaltan wrote: »

There is a straightforward solution and one that will be put in place anyhow. At the minute Ireland exchange licences with quite a few States including South Korea??. The basis for these arrangements is that licensing systems are broadly similar. Ireland and U.K. licensing systems are almost identical so Brexit deal or no- deal we will have a licensing arrangement with the UK that is certain. Therefore if I were a UK Licence holder I don't believe there is a need to panic about exchanging before 29 March. The Government should now say it intends following this path so as to stop unnecessary anxiety about this.

The whole point is it's not certain. Nothing is. There's no agreement in place ahead of March 29th to provide UK licence holders with a way to exchange their licence once the UK leaves the EU.

MascotDec85 · 02-03-2019 11:12am

Scaltan wrote: »

There is a straightforward solution and one that will be put in place anyhow. At the minute Ireland exchange licences with quite a few States including South Korea??. The basis for these arrangements is that licensing systems are broadly similar. Ireland and U.K. licensing systems are almost identical so Brexit deal or no- deal we will have a licensing arrangement with the UK that is certain. Therefore if I were a UK Licence holder I don't believe there is a need to panic about exchanging before 29 March. The Government should now say it intends following this path so as to stop unnecessary anxiety about this.

I am UK licence holder. I am also an ADI in RoI. I would immediately find myself out of work in the event of a No Deal. They are saying the licence won’t be valid. There is absolutely no way I can risk this happening. There will be others like me.

02-03-2019 11:37am

Scaltan wrote: »

There is a straightforward solution and one that will be put in place anyhow. At the minute Ireland exchange licences with quite a few States including South Korea??. The basis for these arrangements is that licensing systems are broadly similar. Ireland and U.K. licensing systems are almost identical so Brexit deal or no- deal we will have a licensing arrangement with the UK that is certain. Therefore if I were a UK Licence holder I don't believe there is a need to panic about exchanging before 29 March. The Government should now say it intends following this path so as to stop unnecessary anxiety about this.

It's a political problem that requires a political solution, in the meantime we can't take any chances, or we could be left high and dry!

GM228 · 02-03-2019 12:25pm

Scaltan wrote: »

There is a straightforward solution and one that will be put in place anyhow. At the minute Ireland exchange licences with quite a few States including South Korea??. The basis for these arrangements is that licensing systems are broadly similar. Ireland and U.K. licensing systems are almost identical so Brexit deal or no- deal we will have a licensing arrangement with the UK that is certain. Therefore if I were a UK Licence holder I don't believe there is a need to panic about exchanging before 29 March. The Government should now say it intends following this path so as to stop unnecessary anxiety about this.

The basis for such agreements is via bi-lateral agreements and despite having similar or even identical procedures such agreements don't come overnight, they require discussion, negotiation and legal agreement and due to involving community licences also require rubber stamping from the European Commission. Whilst I can't see any issues in relation to the above it simply won't happen overnight.

All previous such agreements have taken 12+ months to be negotiated and implemented.

Recognition (for residents) is what needs to be sorted ASAP, exchange agreements can be sorted later.

Scaltan · 02-03-2019 8:43pm

In my understanding what happens is that the delay in putting the arrangements in place happens because of the time needed to look at the licensing systems in the other country. This is not an issue here as both Irish and UK Systems follow EU standard. With the political will it can happen very quickly.

BTW Recognition for residents with UK licence holders is via the mechanism I'm speaking about. That's why it can and should happen quickly.

MascotDec85 · 02-03-2019 8:46pm

Scaltan wrote: »

In my understanding what happens is that the delay in putting the arrangements in place happens because of the time needed to look at the licensing systems in the other country. This is not an issue here as both Irish and UK Systems follow EU standard. With the political will it can happen very quickly.

BTW Recognition for residents with UK licence holders is via the mechanism I'm speaking about. That's why it can and should happen quickly.

That’s all well and good but would you risk your livelihood in the hope that Theresa May gets her act together? If the stories told me the sky was blue I’d go outside and check for myself.

Dont be at yourself · 02-03-2019 8:50pm

Called into Santry this afternoon and the queue was out the door. Earliest I can book an appointment online was 20th March, so I'll try again during the week.

Don't buy into the "they'll have to sort a deal" mentality -- that seems to be the UK's entire Brexit negotiating strategy, but the EU and Ireland aren't going to magic last-minute arrangements out of thin air.

GM228 · 02-03-2019 8:51pm

Scaltan wrote: »

In my understanding what happens is that the delay in putting the arrangements in place happens because of the time needed to look at the licensing systems in the other country. This is not an issue here as both Irish and UK Systems follow EU standard. With the political will it can happen very quickly.

BTW Recognition for residents with UK licence holders is via the mechanism I'm speaking about. That's why it can and should happen quickly.

The delay is far more complicated than looking at the others systems, bi-lateral agreements are actually quite complicated legal agreements even for what appears to be simple matters.

"Recognition for residents" is not via the mechanism you are speaking of.

Recognition for residents is currently via EU laws for member state licemces, in case of a hard Brexit the mechanisms used for non EU exchange do not afford a recognition for residents and never have. They are exchange mechanisms not recognition mechanisms.

03-03-2019 11:58am

Surely it is up to the Irish government what sort of licenses are acceptable on our roads?

Again, compare with the advice from the UK Government which is that EU licenses will continue to be valid both for residents and visitors after any form of Brexit.

Is the Government saying it doesn't have the power to accept UK licenses as valid on Irish roads, and if so on what basis does it not have that power? I find it very hard to believe that the EU has anything to do with a domestic matter like that.

Why can the UK reassure Irish citizens living in the UK and we can't reassure Irish citizens living here who happen to have the 'wrong' license?

It's pathetic and appears to be some stupid game of "look at the consequences of a hard brexit!" with Irish taxpayers and citizens as the victims.

Scaltan · 03-03-2019 2:38pm

GM228 wrote: »

The basis for such agreements is via bi-lateral agreements and despite having similar or even identical procedures such agreements don't come overnight, they require discussion, negotiation and legal agreement and due to involving community licences also require rubber stamping from the European Commission. Whilst I can't see any issues in relation to the above it simply won't happen overnight.

All previous such agreements have taken 12+ months to be negotiated and implemented.

Recognition (for residents) is what needs to be sorted ASAP, exchange agreements can be sorted later.

My posts are by way of suggesting solutions which in the final analysis will let those with a UK licence and who are resident here drive here without having to take further tests.
I see two possibilities one is designating UK as an Exchange Country for licences- UK licence holders living here will swap their licence for an Irish one.
Another is to pass a law here saying we will continue to recognise U.K. licences just as UK has said it will continue to recognise all EU licences- If we do this there would be no need to exchange the licence for a resident here until it expires.

The holdup in the past with granting exchange status has been because of a need to analyse the licensing system in the other country plus they being satisfied with the Irish one. These are not issues with UK. Yes it's a political issue but if will is there either solution above can be implemented quickly.

wonski · 04-03-2019 7:06pm

https://www.123.ie/Brexit-Information

Just noticed 123 sent me an email. Green cards will be issued free of charge.

Isambard · 04-03-2019 7:09pm

wonski wrote: »

https://www.123.ie/Brexit-Information

Just noticed 123 sent me an email. Green cards will be issued free of charge.

Axa issuing automatically

https://www.axa.ie/other/green-card/

sunnysoutheast · 05-03-2019 8:07pm

Exchanged mine today in Waterford.

Will lose a couple of UK only categories for trailers plus I'm now limited to 3.5t without submitting a medical cert. You have to sign a document acknowledging that these will be removed.

Very helpful chap in the office. Definitely book a slot online though, 1-1.5hr waiting times when I went.

SCOOP 64 · 05-03-2019 8:15pm

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

Exchanged mine today in Waterford.

Will lose a couple of UK only categories for trailers plus I'm now limited to 3.5t without submitting a medical cert. You have to sign a document acknowledging that these will be removed.

Very helpful chap in the office. Definitely book a slot online though, 1-1.5hr waiting times when I went.

If you done the medical would you have kept the 7.5 tonne licence?

sunnysoutheast · 05-03-2019 8:17pm

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

If you done the medical would you have kept the 7.5 tonne licence?

Probably wouldn't bother tbh, I've never used it in over 30 years!

Bit disappointed I never got to use my minibus towing a trailer either!

monkeynuz · 05-03-2019 8:18pm

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

If you done the medical would you have kept the 7.5 tonne licence?

I can’t keep c1/e and d1/e (I think) without taking a test as I had them automatically added to my licence on passing my test over twenty years ago.

mfceiling · 05-03-2019 8:20pm

Silly question alert...

I've a northern licence which now looks like it will be defunct as I live in Dublin.

How do I change to an ROI licence? Is there a form to fill in to an office to visit to surrender it?

Thanks.

sunnysoutheast · 05-03-2019 8:32pm

mfceiling wrote: »

Silly question alert...

I've a northern licence which now looks like it will be defunct as I live in Dublin.

How do I change to an ROI licence? Is there a form to fill in to an office to visit to surrender it?

Thanks.

It's all explained on the NDLS website, it's the application for a driving licence form. You'll need to visit one of their offices. You'll need proof of PPSN and address, plus Photo ID.

mfceiling · 05-03-2019 8:33pm

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

It's all explained on the NDLS website, it's the application for a driving licence form. You'll need to visit one of their offices. You'll need proof of PPSN and address, plus Photo ID.

Cheers!!

SCOOP 64 · 05-03-2019 8:33pm

monkeynuz wrote: »

I can’t keep c1/e and d1/e (I think) without taking a test as I had them automatically added to my licence on passing my test over twenty years ago.

Dont think you need to re test to keep the C1 just medical report,
my wife changed hers some years back she had C1, asked if she wanted to keep it she would need medical report, she said she dont need it.
I would if i changed my licence as part of my job.

monkeynuz · 05-03-2019 8:48pm

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Dont think you need to re test to keep the C1 just medical report,
my wife changed hers some years back she had C1, asked if she wanted to keep it she would need medical report, she said she dont need it.
I would if i changed my licence as part of my job.

Check by phoning them, I phone and was told to keep those entitlements I would need a driving test and a medical, I think the historical transferring was stopped a few years ago.

SCOOP 64 · 05-03-2019 10:47pm

monkeynuz wrote: »

Check by phoning them, I phone and was told to keep those entitlements I would need a driving test and a medical, I think the historical transferring was stopped a few years ago.

Well if that's the case and i lose my C1 i will be signing on the next day,
its a 7.5 tonne i drive for a living.

Credit Checker Moose · 05-03-2019 11:01pm

No driving test needed to transfer C or C1.

SCOOP 64 · 05-03-2019 11:08pm

Credit Checker Moose wrote: »

No driving test needed to transfer C or C1.

Seems to be some confusion to the facts?

Squidgy Black · 05-03-2019 11:10pm

mfceiling wrote: »

Silly question alert...

I've a northern licence which now looks like it will be defunct as I live in Dublin.

How do I change to an ROI licence? Is there a form to fill in to an office to visit to surrender it?

Thanks.

Follow the steps on the NDLS website, they've made it fairly easy and straight forward. Make sure to book an appointment though, wait times are supposed to be an hour minimum at the moment for walk-ins.

UK licence after Brexit

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