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22,698 people recovered in Ireland so far. But how many of them are 100% ok after?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    I don't know about "likely"; it seems that only a minority of Covid sufferers experience signficant long-term symptoms.

    But being "supremely fit" is neither here nor there. There's no reason to thing that supreme fitness insulates you against the possiblity of long-term consequences, any more than it protects you from the short-term consequences of the infection. It's perfectly possible to be very fit, and also become very ill.

    I think this is a case in point ...

    A fitness "influencer" who thought COVID-19 did not exist has died from the virus at the age of 33.

    https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,709 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Being fit may improve your prospects of not suffering long-term consequences, since fitness is generally associated with a healthy immune system, and a healthy immune system means you are generally better at resisting/overcoming infection.

    But I stress "may". At the moment it's reasonable to hope that a fitter person is less likely to suffer long-term consequences of Covid infection, but SFAIK there isn't enough epidemiological information yet to know whether this hope is well-founded.

    And, even if it is, it's just a matter of odds. At best, fitness is going to be associated with a lower risk of long term consequences, not a zero risk. You could be very fit, and still draw the short straw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,916 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    But being "supremely fit" is neither here nor there. There's no reason to thing that supreme fitness insulates you against the possiblity of long-term consequences, any more than it protects you from the short-term consequences of the infection. It's perfectly possible to be very fit, and also become very ill.

    I'm not a world class athlete and I'm early 40s but I am exceptionally fit with genuinely excellent endurance. I was fitter in early March. I put my "long Covid" mostly down to me being an idiot about that. I was sick for nearly 3 weeks, with breathing difficulties from the most basic activities, meaning I mostly stayed in bed. By the time I recovered I was itching to get back to normal even though I strongly suspected I shouldn't. I was sensible for a couple of days, then I went totally back to normal on day 4 and my 'long Covid,' actually a range of post-viral inflammatory conditions, started that night. I think if I'd been less fit and not anxious to rebuild my stamina I'd have avoided months of problems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,916 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    gozunda wrote: »
    I think this is a case in point ...

    A fitness "influencer" who thought COVID-19 did not exist has died from the virus at the age of 33.

    https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174

    I think Nick Cordero would be a similar case. As a Broadway dancer he would have been athletically fit. And that poor man had an awful last few months.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    a friends father seems to be effected with long covid..

    he was pretty bad in March/April and did 3 or 4 weeks in ICU, was on a ventilator for almost 2 weeks...

    he was saying some days he's fine, then others, he has flashbacks from the hospital, being intubated etc... can feel very lethargic, but the weirdest one was, he said some days he has had to refer to a type of inception reference (you know the spindal that Di Caprio has in the film),because he could be sitting in a room with everyone, but he can't tell if it's a dream or reality, so he has to go and check his reference for him to figure out...

    a relation was also effected in Wales, worked in the NHS as a nurse and also spent a few weeks in ICU.... they haven't returned to work yet after almost 5 months being released from hospital..

    demographic was, male, mid 60's with heart stenth fitted..... other was female mid 50's no previous health conditions


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    gozunda wrote: »
    I think this is a case in point ...

    A fitness "influencer" who thought COVID-19 did not exist has died from the virus at the age of 33.

    https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174
    Sad case at such a young age and leaving three children behind. Though call me uncharitable, but his physique doesn't look within an asses roar of naturally attained and that could be the underlying condition going on. Steroid use has shown negative effects in the cardiovascular system.
    arccosh wrote: »
    a friends father seems to be effected with long covid..

    he was pretty bad in March/April and did 3 or 4 weeks in ICU, was on a ventilator for almost 2 weeks...

    he was saying some days he's fine, then others, he has flashbacks from the hospital, being intubated etc... can feel very lethargic, but the weirdest one was, he said some days he has had to refer to a type of inception reference (you know the spindal that Di Caprio has in the film),because he could be sitting in a room with everyone, but he can't tell if it's a dream or reality, so he has to go and check his reference for him to figure out...

    a relation was also effected in Wales, worked in the NHS as a nurse and also spent a few weeks in ICU.... they haven't returned to work yet after almost 5 months being released from hospital..

    demographic was, male, mid 60's with heart stenth fitted..... other was female mid 50's no previous health conditions
    Has anybody looked at the records for people who been intubated and on a ventilator for a week or more pre covid? I'd suspect at least some of this long covid syndrome might actually be post ventilation syndrome. A lad I know is a doctor in the US and months ago we were chatting over the phone and his angle was that if you were to take a perfectly healthy 25 year old athlete with no illness and anaesthetise and intubate and ventilate(and all the other stuff required) them for two weeks they'd be rightly buggered afterwards and for a good while after too.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Was a suspected case back in March/April.

    Had sore throat for day or two, then a cough, then breathing difficulties/tight chest. Whatever it was has left me with asthma. Severe breathlessness took six weeks to go away. Still have bouts of when asthma is bad and then ok for a few weeks.

    Test was cancelled at time as I didn't have a temperature.
    Was tempted to shell out for antibody test but was broke after being out of work for 6 weeks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Sad case at such a young age and leaving three children behind. Though call me uncharitable, but his physique doesn't look within an asses roar of naturally attained and that could be the underlying condition going on. Steroid use has shown negative effects in the cardiovascular system.

    Has anybody looked at the records for people who been intubated and on a ventilator for a week or more pre covid? I'd suspect at least some of this long covid syndrome might actually be post ventilation syndrome. A lad I know is a doctor in the US and months ago we were chatting over the phone and his angle was that if you were to take a perfectly healthy 25 year old athlete with no illness and anaesthetise and intubate and ventilate(and all the other stuff required) them for two weeks they'd be rightly buggered afterwards and for a good while after too.


    good point about post ventilation syndrome....


    similar to your first point, there was a bodybuilder in the UK who has been advocating mask wearing after he got struck down with it. early 40's, no previous medical conditions. He was saying he was saying the effect being anesthetised has huge effect on your body, he went in very fit and came out a few weeks later after losing considerable muscle mass... I know the steroid brigade will jump on this, but being put under and not using your body makes it waste away fairly fast.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    Another thing about being fit, a lot of previously young and fit long covid sufferers are suffering various forms of inflammation, which can be caused by the individuals own immune system overreacting to self tissue, and this is where the damage is done. This can happen to anyone.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    The last few posts have filled me with anxiety I must say and i wonder how many of them go back to March/April when the hodpitals knew so little about this



    "Recovered" is definitely not recovered



    But we need better data then a Twitter randomer on national radio saying "between 10 and 30% are still fcuked with this after 3 months of getting it"


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    This is extremely sad. The narrative about it being only dangerous for old or vulnerable people needs to change.

    https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    This is extremely sad. The narrative about it being only dangerous for old or vulnerable people needs to change.

    https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174


    It's been looked into by others on here on a different thread and they've said, based on his pics, he was a heavy steroid user

    That can't be verified yet I don't think. But if he was a big steroid user then his heart was fcuked even without Covid


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Some good news.

    Some Signs of Recovery From Severe Covid Lung Damage
    In two early studies, researchers said some patients showed signs of healing just weeks after leaving the hospital.



    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/health/Covid-lung-damage-recovery.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,034 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    This is extremely sad. The narrative about it being only dangerous for old or vulnerable people needs to change.

    https://news.sky.com/story/influencer-dmitriy-stuzhuk-dies-from-covid-19-after-denying-its-existence-12107174

    The vast vast majority of younger folk recover fine from it.

    One example of a young lad dying from it doesn't make it suddenly become dangerous for everyone.

    The stats prove you wrong.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    NIMAN wrote: »
    The vast vast majority of younger folk recover fine from it.

    One example of a young lad dying from it doesn't make it suddenly become dangerous for everyone.

    The stats prove you wrong.

    Exactly, even if he doesn't have a health condition it doesn't make it any less rare for people his age to die of covid. Young people aren't invincible, some young people die everyday from diseases they are unlikely to die from or are not the demographic usually affected by the disease, chance, bad luck , genetics. It doesn't mean the at risk of demographic has changed however

    28 deaths in Singapore out of 50k cases because all their cases were young migrant workers. Remember that stat not a cherry picked sky news story

    And in an Irish context what was it 5 healthcare workers died out of 8000 cases. Again showing how unlethal it is in the working age able bodied cohort


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    And in an Irish context what was it 5 healthcare workers died out of 8000 cases. Again showing how unlethal it is in the working age able bodied cohort

    And how many Irish healthcare workers are still in bits months after getting it and are still unable to return to work?

    You best believe it's more than 5 people of 8,000 (IFR - 0.6%)


  • Registered Users Posts: 734 ✭✭✭longgonesilver


    I think it is 8 healthcare workers dead now.

    Fifty nurses a week getting sick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    The king of analyzing Covid data here with a video on Long Covid

    I'm listening to it here and so far he says:

    1 in 50 people have Long Covid (definition: Covid symptoms for 3 months or more)


    At 2% that's a damn sight lower than the "between 10 and 30%" said by that gobshíte Anthony Staines a few weeks back on Today FM


    I'm just 5 mins into this so far, but I think John will clear up some of the hysteria about it lately




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,106 ✭✭✭katiek102010


    I have a persistent cough. I have had antibody test.
    My friend has reduced lung capicity.

    When will we get better who knows


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    I have a persistent cough. I have had antibody test.
    My friend has reduced lung capicity.

    When will we get better who knows


    Sorry to hear Katie

    Are you both under 50 with no underlying symptoms? Chances are very good you'll return to 100% eventually if so


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Stats here that wildly go against John Campbell's analysis of the stats
    An Infectious Diseases Consultant at St Vincent's Hospital has warned that about half of the patients who attended his outpatient clinic this morning are coming in with symptoms of post Covid-19 or long Covid-19.

    Speaking on RTÉ's Today With Claire Byrne, Professor Paddy Mallon said the vast majority of these people were never hospitalised with their initial infection, but have never fully recovered.

    He said these are people in their early 20s to early 50s who "are productive, usually working full time, many of them are very fit and very active".

    Prof Mallon added: "A lot of them are really struggling to fully recover and to return to baseline activities and their baseline work and that is a real concern from the point of view of how we live with this virus".


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    read some mention of genetics here... some research out there saying potentially a linkage with chromosome 3 types and severe covid. Think it was Twiv tv on the tube possibly the neandarthal episode. Incase anyone interested.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,823 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Stats here that wildly go against John Campbell's analysis of the stats

    I think here we can point out how weak the media has been on probing the health experts.Young people are warned of the danger of Long Covid but NPHET continues to advocate that schools remain open.

    So I find it odd that no journalist poses this question:

    Is Long Covid a serious threat for young healthy people and, if so, which of the following statements is true?: (1) you are keeping schools open because you don’t care if children are exposed to this supposedly serious threat to their long term health; (2) you are just saying that to scare young people into compliance

    Unfortunately, I have yet to see any journalist challenge the warnings on Long Covid with this level of robustness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,709 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Stats here that wildly go against John Campbell's analysis of the stats
    That doesn't go "wildly against Campbell's analysis".

    What he says is that about half of the people attending his infectious diseases clinic are presenting with post-Covid/long Covid symptoms. Since we don't know how many people attend his clinic, or what the ratio between the number of people at his clinic and the number of people infected with Covid-19 is, we can't say whether this aligns with or contradicts Campbell's analysis.

    All this tells us is that [at least some] people with long Covid symptoms seek treatment, which is what you would expect. People who've had Covid but don't have long Covid symptoms don't turn up in this guy's clinic, so he doesn't see them or count them. What can we infer about the relative numbers in the two groups? Nothing at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    More stats on this

    I'll take John Campbell's analysis over Sky News though

    Coronavirus: Seven in 10 hospital patients suffer from long COVID for weeks after discharge


    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-seven-in-10-hospital-patients-suffer-from-long-covid-for-weeks-after-discharge-12129645


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    ShineOn7 wrote: »


    this virus in ireland and Uk is only 8 months old, you have no idea if those after effects are long term yet

    Also if you are sick in a bad way from any illness it can take months to feel right.
    That article refers to hospitalised cases - a small minority of positives who were worse affected and it's fair to say probably have other conditions hence the reason they are in hospital with covid.

    this isn't anything unusual or unexpected.


    and as per your link
    It said that not all participants were willing to take part in the review or attend for investigations which potentially introduced selection bias.
    it's a not accurate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Thats me


    paw patrol wrote: »
    That article refers to hospitalised cases - a small minority of positives

    The "small minority" is currently = 7.21%. As for me it not too small.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    New update from John Campbell



    He still has it at 5% of all cases





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John




  • Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Exactly, even if he doesn't have a health condition it doesn't make it any less rare for people his age to die of covid. Young people aren't invincible, some young people die everyday from diseases they are unlikely to die from or are not the demographic usually affected by the disease, chance, bad luck , genetics. It doesn't mean the at risk of demographic has changed however

    I know a previously perfectly healthy 10 year old boy who died of rare complications of a streptococcal infection. Doesn't mean every kid is at risk from dying from it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭seefin


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    New update from John Campbell



    He still has it at 5% of all cases




    1 in 20 chance of long covid? Had become more relaxed about getting it as reckoned odds of dying were miniscule. That video scares the bejaysus outta me, definitely don't want now


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    seefin wrote: »
    1 in 20 chance of long covid? Had become more relaxed about getting it as reckoned odds of dying were miniscule. That video scares the bejaysus outta me, definitely don't want now


    This is what people aren't understanding enough about it. The IFR is very, very low, but the odds of getting Long Covid are around 10 times higher (0.5% versus 5%)

    On the upside (I suppose) around 20% of all who get it are asymptomatic

    What a very, very strange and fecked up virus


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    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    This is what people aren't understanding enough about it. The IFR is very, very low, but the odds of getting Long Covid are around 10 times higher (0.5% versus 5%)

    On the upside (I suppose) around 20% of all who get it are asymptomatic

    What a very, very strange and fecked up virus

    Nothing to do with the virus, which just blindly seeks to enter cells and replicate. The varied effects are down to the immune response


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,408 ✭✭✭plodder


    Small Number of Covid Patients Develop Severe Psychotic Symptoms
    Physically, most of these patients didn’t get very sick from Covid-19, reports indicate. The patients that Dr. Goueli treated experienced no respiratory problems, but they did have subtle neurological symptoms like hand tingling, vertigo, headaches or diminished smell. Then, two weeks to several months later, he said, they “develop this profound psychosis, which is really dangerous and scary to all of the people around them.”

    Also striking is that most patients have been in their 30s, 40s and 50s. “It’s very rare for you to develop this type of psychosis in this age range,”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,279 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    seefin wrote: »
    1 in 20 chance of long covid? Had become more relaxed about getting it as reckoned odds of dying were miniscule. That video scares the bejaysus outta me, definitely don't want now

    You should never really be "ok" with contracting a new virus that still isn't fully understood.


  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Friend of a friend had it, went to hospital. He's about 35-ish. He reckons it was like the flu, but twice as bad, with breathing difficulties thrown in (unsure if he ended up being ventilated or not, but i don't think so, as it was never specifically mentioned) for about a week. He reckons he lost his sense of taste from it, and still hasn't gotten it back (i think he was in hospital about 10 weeks before telling me his experience, roughly speaking).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭seefin


    MadYaker wrote: »
    You should never really be "ok" with contracting a new virus that still isn't fully understood.

    When say now relaxed, I meant mentally. Apart from walking and food shopping my partner and i have literally done no socialising indoors or had any close contact that wasn't strictly essential since last March. We're both slightly higher risk category . I was aware of long covid but not aware of the scale of it. There should be alot more publicity about these stark figures rather than just focus on mortality


  • Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭morebabies


    The more I've heard about this the more it sounds like a ticking time bomb. At the moment governments are trying to navigate their health systems under pressure with emergency cases but this condition with all its unknowns sounds frightening. Also emphasises the need to move away from the idea of it as primarily a respiratory virus and more a dangerous infectious disease.


    https://news.sky.com/story/the-ongoing-battle-of-long-covid-what-its-like-living-with-debilitating-after-effects-for-nearly-a-year-12214233


    "Surveys of people with long COVID suggested it was more common in women than men and affected younger people more, according to Dr Maxwell.

    Long COVID also appeared to be unrelated to how seriously ill patients were when they first contracted the virus, she said.

    "You're not necessarily going to have long COVID if you were ventilated than if you were on the ward," Dr Maxwell said."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,594 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




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