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Registration of classic vehicles after Brexit

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    #182
    Isambard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Isambard


    newmember? wrote: »
    Nah...I'd imagine you're paying VAT+Duty on the value of the car not the price you paid for it. Surely someone on here has done it yet?

    VAT, like on any commodity , is normally based on the invoice value. I don't think they'd take kindly to someone falsifying an invoice to avoid paying all the tax due.


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    #183
    newmember2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,594 ✭✭✭newmember2


    Isambard wrote: »
    VAT, like on any commodity , is normally based on the invoice value. I don't think they'd take kindly to someone falsifying an invoice to avoid paying all the tax due.

    Indeed...but it's Value Added Tax not price paid added tax.


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    #184
    Isambard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Isambard


    Tell Revenue, that's how it works.


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    #185
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Car99 wrote: »
    I wondered about this.

    Hypothetically If you get a really good deal on something say winning an Ebay UK auction at a ridiculously low price because the item was listed in the wrong section with the wrong spelling by an uniformed seller say a 1986 528i was listed in model cars and listed simply as Old car and you paid £500 for it even though it has an easily achievable value of £5000.
    In this case you can show Revenue all documents relating to the auction with a reasonable explanation .

    Are revenue LIKELY to say similar goods are valued at 5k you owe us €900 in VAT+duty (which they can choose to do) or would they say you verified you paid €500 so you owe us €90 ?

    Revenue can read fora too, you know. And eBay. And probably have he odd lad in there who knows a piston from a pissybed, so I'd say you're unlikely to succeed with the latter...............

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #186
    68deville
    Registered Users Posts: 494 ✭✭68deville


    The revenue have came across every trick in the book, the brothers ex boss had a daughter living in UK for some years and he bought a new 911 and she registered it in her name and used it sparingly for a year or so and then moved home and change of residency hoping to avail of no vrt, but revenue were able to tell her that on her salary in UK not possible so pony up vrt or take back


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    #187
    reubenreuben
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    68deville wrote: »
    The revenue have came across every trick in the book, the brothers ex boss had a daughter living in UK for some years and he bought a new 911 and she registered it in her name and used it sparingly for a year or so and then moved home and change of residency hoping to avail of no vrt, but revenue were able to tell her that on her salary in UK not possible so pony up vrt or take back

    How did they know her UK salary ? And could she not have got the money from other sources such as family etc


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    #188
    kadman
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    reubenreuben wrote: »
    How did they know her UK salary ? And could she not have got the money from other sources such as family etc

    Revenue have powers that only other departments could dream about.
    And the fact that we all have birth certs, Insurance numbers and PPS numbers, means that we can hide fek all from them, yet we are still racing towards a cash free society...willingly.:)


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    #189
    reubenreuben
    Registered Users Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭reubenreuben


    kadman wrote: »
    Revenue have powers that only other departments could dream about.
    And the fact that we all have birth certs, Insurance numbers and PPS numbers, means that we can hide fek all from them, yet we are still racing towards a cash free society...willingly.:)

    Recently east Germany springs to mind.


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    #190
    PaddyFagan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭PaddyFagan


    reubenreuben wrote: »
    How did they know her UK salary ? And could she not have got the money from other sources such as family etc
    Given the relatively strict money laundering laws.... I suspect they simply asked... and without a clear source for the money herself, revenue formed the opinion that the vehicle wasn't 'her personal property' and so didn't meet the rules for the VRT exemption.

    Paddy


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    #191
    Isambard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Isambard


    kadman wrote: »
    Revenue have powers that only other departments could dream about.
    And the fact that we all have birth certs, Insurance numbers and PPS numbers, means that we can hide fek all from them, yet we are still racing towards a cash free society...willingly.:)

    i doubt they can access UK salary details.


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    #192
    kadman
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    Isambard wrote: »
    i doubt they can access UK salary details.

    O yes they can:D


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    #193
    Car99
    Registered Users Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭Car99


    kadman wrote: »
    O yes they can:D

    Can they , how do they request that information from HMRC when not part of a criminal investigation? Especially now post brexit.


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    #194
    kadman
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Car99 wrote: »
    Can they , how do they request that information from HMRC when not part of a criminal investigation? Especially now post brexit.

    If Ireland has tax treaties with more than 70 countries. These Double Taxation Agreements ensure that income that has been taxed in one country is not taxed again in another country.

    If these treaties are in existence, I would think its fairly safe to say that some reciprocity exists between them


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    #195
    Isambard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Isambard


    not convinced


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    #196
    kadman
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Isambard wrote: »
    not convinced

    Maybe some version of Dun and Bradstreet for individuals at their disposal;)


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    #197
    Car99
    Registered Users Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭Car99


    kadman wrote: »
    If Ireland has tax treaties with more than 70 countries. These Double Taxation Agreements ensure that income that has been taxed in one country is not taxed again in another country.

    If these treaties are in existence, I would think its fairly safe to say that some reciprocity exists between them

    They can only tax what you declare unless they decide to audit you then you have to prove xyz to them. They dont care if they inadvertently double tax you .


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    #198
    turbocab
    Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭turbocab


    well looking at this thread since January,there doesnt seem to be any classics imported.Revenue can have all the charges they like,but ill bet they will make far less this year and into the future with there charges ,own goal springs to mind


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    #199
    Isambard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Isambard


    turbocab wrote: »
    well looking at this thread since January,there doesnt seem to be any classics imported.Revenue can have all the charges they like,but ill bet they will make far less this year and into the future with there charges ,own goal springs to mind

    it's Brexit you should blame, not Revenue,


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    #200
    turbocab
    Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭turbocab


    Isambard wrote: »
    it's Brexit you should blame, not Revenue,

    Both actually


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    #201
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,945 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    turbocab wrote: »


    Both actually

    Nope. Ireland is part of the EU and as such not free to start to make up their own rules about charging VAT or not when importing cars from outside the EU.

    The blame is entirely with the British voters who have voted for Brexit, and as such voted for a recession, like turkeys voting for Christmas. Unfortunately Ireland will suffer too.


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    #202
    turbocab
    Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭turbocab


    unkel wrote: »
    Nope. Ireland is part of the EU and as such not free to start to make up their own rules about charging VAT or not when importing cars from outside the EU.

    The blame is entirely with the British voters who have voted for Brexit, and as such voted for a recession, like turkeys voting for Christmas. Unfortunately Ireland will suffer too.

    You fail to remember the reason people went to buy classics in the uk, is because very few of these cars were sold new in eire was because of excessive taxes put on them here , take a look at the 1986 car show on rte its on here somewhwere .they give the irish price of new cars and the northern ireland price, it would make your eyes water,We have been robbed here for decades when it comes to car prices


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    #203
    reubenreuben
    Registered Users Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭reubenreuben


    unkel wrote: »
    Nope. Ireland is part of the EU and as such not free to start to make up their own rules about charging VAT or not when importing cars from outside the EU.

    The blame is entirely with the British voters who have voted for Brexit, and as such voted for a recession, like turkeys voting for Christmas. Unfortunately Ireland will suffer too.

    Ireland knew what was coming, they were part of the EU talks. They bent over backwards, pushovers . As this is about cars, we will be left with the dregs


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    #204
    w124man
    Registered Users Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭w124man


    unkel wrote: »
    Nope. Ireland is part of the EU and as such not free to start to make up their own rules about charging VAT or not when importing cars from outside the EU.

    The blame is entirely with the British voters who have voted for Brexit, and as such voted for a recession, like turkeys voting for Christmas. Unfortunately Ireland will suffer too.

    This is it in a nutshell. End of.

    Why we bought classics in the UK or the price of eggs has SFA to do with the situation we are in now. None of this is of our making and blaming Revenue or the Government is plain dumb


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    #205
    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    turbocab wrote: »
    You fail to remember the reason people went to buy classics in the uk, is because very few of these cars were sold new in eire was because of excessive taxes put on them here , take a look at the 1986 car show on rte its on here somewhwere .they give the irish price of new cars and the northern ireland price, it would make your eyes water,We have been robbed here for decades when it comes to car prices

    Fwiw, in support of your comment, the rate of VAT here in 1984 was......an eye-watering 35%.... its a miracle anybody bought anything tbh.. ..

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #206
    Car99
    Registered Users Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭Car99


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Fwiw, in support of your comment, the rate of VAT here in 1984 was......an eye-watering 35%.... its a miracle anybody bought anything tbh.. ..

    35% wow and what were interest rates like? In the teens?


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    #207
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,945 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Car99 wrote: »
    35% wow and what were interest rates like? In the teens?

    Yup and income tax up to 80%

    Not all gloom and doom though. A large 4 bed semi-detached house in a half decent Dublin suburb was under £10k and two people had only one paying job between them. Far simpler, easier and less stressful life.


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    #208
    kadman
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    The pain of Brexit on vehicles and all other things in the UK and Ireland will neither be borne by
    UK government or Irish government, it will be paid for by us, the consumer and no one else.
    As things always have been .

    Its an ideal situation for both governments to lay more burden on us, then blame each other government
    for the new charges wherever they fall.


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    #209
    Isambard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Isambard


    kadman wrote: »
    The pain of Brexit on vehicles and all other things in the UK and Ireland will neither be borne by
    UK government or Irish government, it will be paid for by us, the consumer and no one else.
    As things always have been .

    Its an ideal situation for both governments to lay more burden on us, then blame each other government
    for the new charges wherever they fall.

    I thought someone explained that the Government here can do nothing about it. They are merely following EU regulations following Brexit. It's the UK voters to blame for this and their devious Government.


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    #210
    kadman
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    Isambard wrote: »
    I thought someone explained that the Government here can do nothing about it. They are merely following EU regulations following Brexit. It's the UK voters to blame for this and their devious Government.


    It doesn't matter whos to blame. Irish coffers get filled, UK coffers get filled....

    By us, the consumer, here and in UK now


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    #211
    Isambard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Isambard


    kadman wrote: »
    It doesn't matter whos to blame. Irish coffers get filled, UK coffers get filled....

    By us, the consumer, here and in UK now

    well with the bill for COVID yet to be presented, I'd suggest we are going to need all that tax revenue and much more . Tax doesn't just run down the drain, it's spent on , ultimately, us.


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