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2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

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    #1322
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,189 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    Waffle waffle waffle versus words that are ment to come from leaders in times of crisis.

    Can you speak English please?


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    #1323
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Trump keeps ramping up the crazy. He'll erode his base by killing them all, either through Covid#19 'liberating' or injections of disinfectant. The Army should really step in until he's been evaluated.


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    #1324
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,189 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Bowie wrote: »
    Trump keeps ramping up the crazy. He'll erode his base by killing them all, either through Covid#19 'liberating' or injections of disinfectant. The Army should really step in until he's been evaluated.

    The US army or the Russian army?


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    #1325
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,193 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Are you that afraid of an alternate opinion?

    I have no idea what was going through the mans head, no more than you do....

    very little by the sounds of it. certainly nothing in the way of a coherent thought.


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    #1326
    randomname2005
    Registered Users Posts: 1,932 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    For what it is worth...I have no time for his personality, he strikes me as a crass reality tv star...and the fact that he is a reality tv star, I'd imagine he is no where near as successful as he likes to present....remember our own TV Dragons, most of them didn't have a pot to piss in...

    But...he managed to get elected first time out to the highest position on the world...now, maybe, just maybe, he is not as thick as he seems....

    And maybe, just maybe, the fact that he followed a number of completely ineffectual presidents allows him make changes that have a very real impact in the lives of ordinary Americans....and maybe, those ordinary Americans are willing to vote for him again...

    Maybe, just maybe, you are suffering from Trump derangement syndrome...if the only reason you can think of to reason why a reality tv star like Trump got elected is to assume that 60 million Americans are thick then you need must think that Irish people including you are the stupidest people on this plant based on who we elect.

    No, not all of the people who voted for Trump are thick, stupid, insert other words. Out of the 63.something million who voted for him, a percentage of them were always going to vote Republican, be they CEOs who love the tax breaks the/their companies get or people who would never vote democrat, there is that constant base. Same for FF/FG/SF here.

    A percentage voted for him because he promised change. He appealed to people who felt that politicians did not connect with them. He promised to drain the political swamp of corruption and hire the best people to bring the country back to greatness (whatever that means), to get rid of the debt, to give tax cuts to the ordinary person. A percentage believed that he would bring manufacturing jobs back to the US, to the rust belt and wanted to give him a chance.

    As it stands he has failed to fulfill most (all?) of his pre-election promises such as locking Hillary up, building the wall, removing the deficit (actually increasing it massively pre COVID), draining the swamp, bringing back manufacturing, getting the best health care act, and really doing very little (to the outside world at least) to improve the lives of the average American.

    If the people who gave him a chance last time, and despite not doing much that he said he would, give him another chance expecting him to be different this time, then they would be insane (repeating the same experiment and expecting a different result).


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    #1327
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    1. Please quote me on that.

    2. You are the one saying Trumps science advisors agreed with him about injecting bleach into people. Are you trying to claim that this is actually a good solution since they agreed with it, or are you trying to claim that it is them (and to Trump) who are to blame for him saying this yesterday? If you don't think injecting bleach into people is a good idea, then you are calling them incompetent. And in that case, what haokened to Trump surrounding himself with only 'the best people'?

    Here is your quote on it: Trump, many times, kept asking the science team if he was right in what he was saying on a number of things. If he was speaking incorrectly on a subject you think the team would tell him when he asked, and not have to correct it later.

    So which is it?
    I said 'your side.' Please keep up.

    Please quote me where I said Trump's advisors agreed with him. See, I can play those games, too. I think what I said was something like if his science advisors disagreed with what he was saying why not say so when he asked them in the conference if what he was saying was correct... not wait until later to clarify things.

    I think your comprehension level of what I post is severely in need of some adjustments.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1328
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,193 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Too bad you don’t know as much as you claim to know. So you think it was Trump's fault that those casinos went bankrupt? Perhaps do some homework. At the time Trump invested in casinos in Atlantic City they were the only full gambling casino entities east of the Mississippi. Sure there were a couple of Native American casinos here and there but they were limited in the types of gambling they were allowed to provide. Suddenly state after state started allowing casinos to operate and it caused the Atlantic City economy to go down the toilet. And part of the bankruptcy laws causes vendors and contractors from not being paid. But I’m sure you’ll simply just ignore all this and keep up you disingenuous claims that Trump bankrupted them.

    trump stiffed contractors as a matter of course. he didnt need the excuse of another bankruptcy to do so. and he was losing money in atlantic city long before the rest of atlantic city went to the wall.


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    #1329
    randomname2005
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    I said 'your side.' Please keep up.

    Please quote me where I said Trump's advisors agreed with him. See, I can play those games, too. I think what I said was something like if his science advisors disagreed with what he was saying why not say so when he asked them in the conference if what he was saying was correct... not wait until later to clarify things.

    I think your comprehension level of what I post is severely in need of some adjustments.

    Maybe they know they would be fired on the spot. He has history, e.g. firing people for fulfilling a legal requirement to appear at his impeachment.


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    #1330
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    randomname2005 wrote: »
    No, not all of the people who voted for Trump are thick, stupid, insert other words. Out of the 63.something million who voted for him, a percentage of them were always going to vote Republican, be they CEOs who love the tax breaks the/their companies get or people who would never vote democrat, there is that constant base. Same for FF/FG/SF here.

    A percentage voted for him because he promised change. He appealed to people who felt that politicians did not connect with them. He promised to drain the political swamp of corruption and hire the best people to bring the country back to greatness (whatever that means), to get rid of the debt, to give tax cuts to the ordinary person. A percentage believed that he would bring manufacturing jobs back to the US, to the rust belt and wanted to give him a chance.

    As it stands he has failed to fulfill most (all?) of his pre-election promises such as locking Hillary up, building the wall, removing the deficit (actually increasing it massively pre COVID), draining the swamp, bringing back manufacturing, getting the best health care act, and really doing very little (to the outside world at least) to improve the lives of the average American.

    If the people who gave him a chance last time, and despite not doing much that he said he would, give him another chance expecting him to be different this time, then they would be insane (repeating the same experiment and expecting a different result).
    I think if you bother to look Trump has either kept his campaign promises or fought tooth and nail to fulfill them.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1331
    blackbox
    Registered Users Posts: 4,155 ✭✭✭blackbox


    How come we are hearing so little from the opposition.

    Are they afraid of seeming equally idiotic?


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    #1332
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,189 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    very little by the sounds of it. certainly nothing in the way of a coherent thought.

    He is in his seventies, a political novice, dealing with a once in a century pandemic....where his every move is scrutinized to within an inch of its life...he is unscripted and unpolished, he is no genius....

    He is a disaster for this country so I'm not mad about the affect his administration will have on Ireland....

    But I am sick to death of the hysteria surrounding everything he says....it's unhealthy to be so obsessed about a leader of a different country.

    This culture of hysteria is touching way more people than it should...life goes on you know!!!


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    #1333
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,193 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I said 'your side.' Please keep up.

    Please quote me where I said Trump's advisors agreed with him. See, I can play those games, too. I think what I said was something like if his science advisors disagreed with what he was saying why not say so when he asked them in the conference if what he was saying was correct... not wait until later to clarify things.

    I think your comprehension level of what I post is severely in need of some adjustments.

    yes because trump always reacts well to people telling him he is wrong to his face and in no way reacts childishly and enacts revenge


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    #1334
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,189 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    blackbox wrote: »
    How come we are hearing so little from the opposition.

    Are they afraid of seeming equally idiotic?

    I saw Pelosi on the TV last week...she has some selection of ice cream fair play to her....


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    #1335
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    randomname2005 wrote: »
    Maybe they know they would be fired on the spot. He has history, e.g. firing people for fulfilling a legal requirement to appear at his impeachment.
    So? They took a Hippocratic Oath, didn't they? And just about everyone eventually has gotten fired by Trump. You don't think they know that coming in?

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1336
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Can you speak English please?

    I can, it seems a few here and across the pond fail at the English language.

    What words would you like to listen from the person in charge in a time of crisis? Leo's or Trump's?

    One is saying it's on all of us to pull together by staying apart to combat this crisis while the other is suggesting to the intelligence science guy that he looks into seeing if injecting disinfectant would be a good way to go to clean out the lungs because it does such a great and fantastic, perfect job when it's used to clean surfaces..


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    #1337
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,193 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    He is in his seventies, a political novice, dealing with a once in a century pandemic....where his every move is scrutinized to within an inch of its life...he is unscripted and unpolished, he is no genius....

    He is a disaster for this country so I'm not mad about the affect his administration will have on Ireland....

    But I am sick to death of the hysteria surrounding everything he says....it's unhealthy to be so obsessed about a leader of a different country.

    This culture of hysteria is touching way more people than it should...life goes on you know!!!

    you are complaining that we are talking about trump in a thread exactly for that purpose. if discussion on trump is not your thing perhaps you may be better off reading a different thread.


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    #1338
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    yes because trump always reacts well to people telling him he is wrong to his face and in no way reacts childishly and enacts revenge
    Moving the goalposts, as usual, I see.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1339
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,189 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    randomname2005 wrote: »
    No, not all of the people who voted for Trump are thick, stupid, insert other words. Out of the 63.something million who voted for him, a percentage of them were always going to vote Republican, be they CEOs who love the tax breaks the/their companies get or people who would never vote democrat, there is that constant base. Same for FF/FG/SF here.

    A percentage voted for him because he promised change. He appealed to people who felt that politicians did not connect with them. He promised to drain the political swamp of corruption and hire the best people to bring the country back to greatness (whatever that means), to get rid of the debt, to give tax cuts to the ordinary person. A percentage believed that he would bring manufacturing jobs back to the US, to the rust belt and wanted to give him a chance.

    As it stands he has failed to fulfill most (all?) of his pre-election promises such as locking Hillary up, building the wall, removing the deficit (actually increasing it massively pre COVID), draining the swamp, bringing back manufacturing, getting the best health care act, and really doing very little (to the outside world at least) to improve the lives of the average American.

    If the people who gave him a chance last time, and despite not doing much that he said he would, give him another chance expecting him to be different this time, then they would be insane (repeating the same experiment and expecting a different result).

    And if you are right about all that then he hasn't a chance of getting reelected...

    If he does get reelected maybe it is because Americans who actually have a vote don't agree with you...are 63 million people insane or are you misinformed....I know what my money would be on in that senario?

    Remember, they told us he would never get elected int he first place....


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    #1340
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,193 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Moving the goalposts, as usual, I see.

    you asked why his scientific advisors behaved the way they did. i explaned it to you though you already knew the answer.


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    #1341
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,189 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    I can, it seems a few here and across the pond fail at the English language.

    What words would you like to listen from the person in charge in a time of crisis? Leo's or Trump's?

    One is saying it's on all of us to pull together by staying apart to combat this crisis while the other is suggesting to the intelligence science guy that he looks into seeing if injecting disinfectant would be a good way to go to clean out the lungs because it does such a great and fantastic, perfect job when it's used to clean surfaces..

    Words are meaningless....

    I'd prefer if Varadkar took action, he could have culled (or put on part time) a heap of HSE Admin staff that we all know is over bloated and redirected revenue but he chose to borrow more money....but he came on the telly and gave a good speech ....


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    #1342
    notobtuse
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    you asked why his scientific advisors behaved the way they did. i explaned it to you though you already knew the answer.
    So you think them correcting things 5 minutes later makes all the difference in the world? To me that would be greater reason to be fired than answering the question when asked.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1343
    randomname2005
    Registered Users Posts: 1,932 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    notobtuse wrote: »
    I think if you bother to look Trump has either kept his campaign promises or fought tooth and nail to fulfill them.

    Granted, he kept some and fought for some and I will admit that I didn't keep a log of all of them, mostly his most vocal. Among his most vocal were to lock up Hillary, build the wall and drain the swamp.

    Has he locked up Hillary?

    Did he build the wall, which was pretty much a national emergency, and could have requested any amount of money he wanted in the first 2 years when the Republicans had control of all three sections of the government to build this but did nothing for 2 years?

    Did he reduce corruption, or increase it, having his family members all over the administration?

    Yes, he did pull the US out of the Paris accord, he did reduce the corporation tax but by less than the amount he said. He made temporary tax reductions for the average American.

    Did he fight tooth and nail to get rid of the deficit?
    Did he completely repeal Obamacare?


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    #1344
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Words are meaningless....

    I'd prefer if Varadkar took action, he could have culled (or put on part time) a heap of HSE Admin staff that we all know is over bloated and redirected revenue but he chose to borrow more money....but he came on the telly and gave a good speech ....

    What is the point of you typing them words? Just completely wasting your time?

    Again a load of waffle about Leo, versus zero nada nothing about a man suggesting a science guy wastes time with looking into injecting disinfectant into things to see if cleans out the lungs infected with Covid19..

    Got ya!!


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    #1345
    MeMen2_MoRi_
    Registered Users Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭MeMen2_MoRi_


    notobtuse wrote: »
    So you think them correcting things 5 minutes later makes all the difference in the world? To me that would be greater reason to be fired than answering the question when asked.

    What should happen to a smart guy suggesting disinfectant be injected as a way to kill/cure Covid19?


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    #1346
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Trump is some absolute clown. I pity any fool that stands by his idiocy at this point. Absolutely bluffed his way through life right up until today.


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    #1347
    notobtuse
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    “Mark my words, I think he is gonna try to kick back the election somehow, come up with some rationale why it can’t be held” “the only way he thinks he can possibly win.” Biden’s delusions apparently getting worse. I guess he hasn’t heard, or has forgotten already, but it’s Trump who is fighting to get the economy moving again and the country back to normal.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1348
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users Posts: 6,189 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »
    What is the point of you typing them words? Just completely wasting your time?

    Again a load of waffle about Leo, versus zero nada nothing about a man suggesting a science guy wastes time with looking into injecting disinfectant into things to see if cleans out the lungs infected with Covid19..

    Got ya!!

    Because I'm not the leader of this country....so...I have the time to be spending arguing with people on the internet....

    You have...you have outsmarted me....I'll buy your disinfectant ...


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    #1349
    randomname2005
    Registered Users Posts: 1,932 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    And if you are right about all that then he hasn't a chance of getting reelected...

    If he does get reelected maybe it is because Americans who actually have a vote don't agree with you...are 63 million people insane or are you misinformed....I know what my money would be on in that senario?

    Remember, they told us he would never get elected int he first place....

    Not what I said. I never came close to saying that 63 million people were insane.

    I said some people would always vote republican based on beliefs, having always voted that way, etc.

    I said others voted to give him a chance. I said they would be insane to vote for him again and expect something different. If they are happy with what he has done, the increase in deficit, the increase in corruption, the decrease in democracy then voting for him and expect the same would not be insane. It would only be insane if they expected it to be different.


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    #1350
    notobtuse
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    randomname2005 wrote: »
    Granted, he kept some and fought for some and I will admit that I didn't keep a log of all of them, mostly his most vocal. Among his most vocal were to lock up Hillary, build the wall and drain the swamp.

    Has he locked up Hillary?

    Did he build the wall, which was pretty much a national emergency, and could have requested any amount of money he wanted in the first 2 years when the Republicans had control of all three sections of the government to build this but did nothing for 2 years?

    Did he reduce corruption, or increase it, having his family members all over the administration?

    Yes, he did pull the US out of the Paris accord, he did reduce the corporation tax but by less than the amount he said. He made temporary tax reductions for the average American.

    Did he fight tooth and nail to get rid of the deficit?
    Did he completely repeal Obamacare?
    Was locking Hillary up a campaign promise or a campaign slogan? He's building the wall and fighting hard to get more built. He reduced some corruption, and has and is taking measures to remove waste in government which will get rid of more, but fact remains the Deep State continues to be entrenched and powerful. Hopefully Barr and Durham's indictments will help to cull even more of them and scare the ones who remain into the realization that it's not them who run the country.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #1351
    Carfacemandog
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    notobtuse wrote: »
    I said 'your side.' Please keep up.

    Please quote me where I said Trump's advisors agreed with him. See, I can play those games, too. I think what I said was something like if his science advisors disagreed with what he was saying why not say so when he asked them in the conference if what he was saying was correct... not wait until later to clarify things.

    I think your comprehension level of what I post is severely in need of some adjustments.
    So do you think his science advisors agrees or disagreed with him?

    If you feel they agreed with him, do you also think injecting bleach is a good idea?

    If you think they disagreed with him, do you think he or they are correct here, e.g. do you think injecting bleach would be a good or bad idea?

    If you think they only decided to disagree with him after the fact, why is he surrounding himself with these types of people when he was supposed to get 'only the best people'.


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