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2020 US Presidential Election (aka: The Trump Coronation)

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    #662
    dark crystal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Cody montana wrote: »
    I follow Tammy on Twitter for the laughs.
    Not from California, lives there, but is forever complaining about it.

    They should all be sued.

    They are:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8187883/Fox-News-sued-willfully-maliciously-deceiving-public-dangers-coronavirus.html


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    #663
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


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    #664
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Boggles wrote: »
    They are so utterly shameless they will just deny they said it, just like the large Orange man.

    It's scary the mass level of stupidity that laps that stuff up over there.

    And the liberals? What of them? They all took the coronavirus as seriously as it should have been?


    Jan 29th: The Trump Administration set up the Coronavirus Taskforce to monitor and contain the spread of the virus. The next day CNN's focus was on how it was too white:


    https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1222964716320018436

    Jan 31st: The Trump Administration declared the coronavirus a public health emergency and announced travel restrictions to and from China and the response was accusations of racism & hysterical fear mongering, of course:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtFNuI2kT_E

    https://twitter.com/speakerpelosi/status/1223414098614018057?lang=en

    And a few articles from the same time period similarly suggesting that racism was the real motivating factor behind the travel restrictions (despite, as we now know, it being Dr. Fauci that requested that the be put in place):
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    Then, just as you had with many on the right, there was similarly many on the left who suggesting that the situation wasn't as bad as some were saying and that in particular social distancing was not needed at all, and in fact openly encouraged it:

    https://twitter.com/foramerica/status/1245527322301796353
    https://twitter.com/billdeblasio/status/1234648718714036229
    https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/status/1226566648729133056
    rossie1977 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1246146713523453957

    And I guess here's the liberal version:

    https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1245385767729463297

    The sanctimony coming from the left over the last while is incredulous. They, as ever, are attempting to rewrite history and suggest that they took the threat of coronavirus serious from the get-go while their counterparts did not, and that's about as gross a misrepresentation of what has gone on as you're likely to see. The truth is that there were many on BOTH sides of the political divide who made stupid remarks and who now have egg on their face. This should be something which people should be above using to as a tool to try and gain political advantage but alas evidently it is clearly not.


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    #665
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    And the liberals? What of them? They all took the coronavirus as seriously as it should have been?


    Jan 29th: The Trump Administration set up the Coronavirus Taskforce to monitor and contain the spread of the virus. The next day CNN's focus was on how it was too white:


    https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1222964716320018436

    Jan 31st: The Trump Administration declared the coronavirus a public health emergency and announced travel restrictions to and from China and the response was accusations of racism & hysterical fear mongering, of course:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtFNuI2kT_E

    https://twitter.com/speakerpelosi/status/1223414098614018057?lang=en

    And a few articles from the same time period similarly suggesting that racism was the real motivating factor behind the travel restrictions (despite, as we now know, it being Dr. Fauci that requested that the be put in place):




    Then, just as you had with many on the right, there was similarly many on the left who suggesting that the situation wasn't as bad as some were saying and that in particular social distancing was not needed at all, and in fact openly encouraged it:

    https://twitter.com/foramerica/status/1245527322301796353
    https://twitter.com/billdeblasio/status/1234648718714036229
    https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/status/1226566648729133056



    And I guess here's the liberal version:

    https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1245385767729463297

    The sanctimony coming from the left over the last while is incredulous. They, as ever, are attempting to rewrite history and suggest that they took the threat of coronavirus serious from the get-go while their counterparts did not, and that's about as gross a misrepresentation of what has gone on as you're likely to see. The truth is that there were many on BOTH sides of the political divide who made stupid remarks and who now have egg on their face. This should be something which people should be above using to as a tool to try and gain political advantage but alas evidently it is clearly not.

    But its not their hand at the tiller, it's not their fault lives are being lost by ineptitude and indecision. You say they founded a 'task force' on the 29th of January, seems a bit silly to do that when Trump said it would dissappear 'like a miracle', but then again they're informed a whole month before about the possible pandemic yet they ignored the warnings.

    But you're right, the people who don't make the decisions are the ones to blame


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    #666
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    weisses wrote: »
    Maybe you and your loved ones should listen more carefully to Trump and take his advice regarding hydroxychloroquin "What do you have to lose? Take it. I really think they should take it ... try it, if you'd like."

    Let me know how you get on
    That’s a rather ignoramus things to say. He means take it if you test positive for COVID-19 and other treatments aren’t working. What do you have to lose? Why would people take it who don’t have COVID-19? If I do contract it I sure as hell will ask my doctor to try it as I’m in the high-risk category. Hmmm... option 1 = probable death, option 2 = some testing indicates recoveries. I'll take option 2, thank you very much.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #667
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    And the liberals? What of them? They all took the coronavirus as seriously as it should have been?


    Jan 29th: The Trump Administration set up the Coronavirus Taskforce to monitor and contain the spread of the virus. The next day CNN's focus was on how it was too white:


    https://twitter.com/cnnpolitics/status/1222964716320018436

    Jan 31st: The Trump Administration declared the coronavirus a public health emergency and announced travel restrictions to and from China and the response was accusations of racism & hysterical fear mongering, of course:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtFNuI2kT_E

    https://twitter.com/speakerpelosi/status/1223414098614018057?lang=en

    And a few articles from the same time period similarly suggesting that racism was the real motivating factor behind the travel restrictions (despite, as we now know, it being Dr. Fauci that requested that the be put in place):




    Then, just as you had with many on the right, there was similarly many on the left who suggesting that the situation wasn't as bad as some were saying and that in particular social distancing was not needed at all, and in fact openly encouraged it:

    https://twitter.com/foramerica/status/1245527322301796353
    https://twitter.com/billdeblasio/status/1234648718714036229
    https://twitter.com/MarkLevineNYC/status/1226566648729133056



    And I guess here's the liberal version:

    https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1245385767729463297

    The sanctimony coming from the left over the last while is incredulous. They, as ever, are attempting to rewrite history and suggest that they took the threat of coronavirus serious from the get-go while their counterparts did not, and that's about as gross a misrepresentation of what has gone on as you're likely to see. The truth is that there were many on BOTH sides of the political divide who made stupid remarks and who now have egg on their face. This should be something which people should be above using to as a tool to try and gain political advantage but alas evidently it is clearly not.
    Didn't you know democrats believe history starts today... but only their own, that is.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #668
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    duploelabs wrote: »
    But its not their hand at the tiller, it's not their fault lives are being lost by ineptitude and indecision.

    You seem to be pulling a bait and switch here. Just because their hand was not at the tiller does not mean they were not inept and indecisive.

    The dems in New York not only were not taking it seriously, but were scare-mongering people into attending the Chinese New Year by saying they were racist if they didn't. This level of ineptitude deserves to be jailed.

    They all got it wrong.


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    #669
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Well, here’s a big shocker... In the run-up to the election Democrats are preparing to blame Trump for what COVID-19 has done to the economy. But democrats won’t hold China accountable for any of its actions, nor that China has wrecked the world... It’s all Trump’s fault, ya know. They also believe Americans will come to embrace Big Brother Government in wake of the pandemic. They’re hoping American won’t remember all the self-serving non-coronavirus related pork nonsense the Democrats tried to get into the stimulus packages. They’ll fault Trump for mostly following the advice of his top scientists as new information and data comes about... They’d fault him if he didn’t.

    What we won’t see is what the Democrats would have done differently, except for those things which they could only have come up in hindsight.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #670
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    The sanctimony coming from the left over the last while is incredulous. They, as ever, are attempting to rewrite history and suggest that they took the threat of coronavirus serious from the get-go while their counterparts did not, and that's about as gross a misrepresentation of what has gone on as you're likely to see. The truth is that there were many on BOTH sides of the political divide who made stupid remarks and who now have egg on their face. This should be something which people should be above using to as a tool to try and gain political advantage but alas evidently it is clearly not.

    You spent all that time writing a big long post to counter a point that nobody had made. I haven't seen one person here say that. And then in the last sentence you go on to say that people shouldn't do exactly what you've just done.

    How do you think coronavirus is likely to affect the 2020 election?


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    #671
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    2u2me wrote: »
    You seem to be pulling a bait and switch here. Just because their hand was not at the tiller does not mean they were not inept and indecisive.

    The dems in New York not only were not taking it seriously, but were scare-mongering people into attending the Chinese New Year by saying they were racist if they didn't. This level of ineptitude deserves to be jailed.

    They all got it wrong.

    Maybe if their president hadn't told them it would "just dissapear" they might have taken it seriously. Trump downplayed this until the bodies started piling up and many GOP governers are refusing to lock down their states.

    To be honest, the entire country has been asleep so throwing blame around probably isn't useful.


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    #672
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Maybe if their president hadn't told them it would "just dissapear" they might have taken it seriously. Trump downplayed this until the bodies started piling up and many GOP governers are refusing to lock down their states.

    To be honest, the entire country has been asleep so throwing blame around probably isn't useful.

    I have no doubt Trump has blood on his hands for this too, telling people the numbers were going down.

    You admit it is the governor who locks down the state, this could have been done anytime after Jan 20th. Cuomo in New York could have acted a lot sooner.

    Also its pretty funny how the narrative evolves into it's China's fault to deflect blame away from American politicians. Just look at how Taiwan handled the situation everything the US easily could have done.


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    #673
    kilns
    Registered Users Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Well, here’s a big shocker... In the run-up to the election Democrats are preparing to blame Trump for what COVID-19 has done to the economy. But democrats won’t hold China accountable for any of its actions, nor that China has wrecked the world... It’s all Trump’s fault, ya know. They also believe Americans will come to embrace Big Brother Government in wake of the pandemic. They’re hoping American won’t remember all the self-serving non-coronavirus related pork nonsense the Democrats tried to get into the stimulus packages. They’ll fault Trump for mostly following the advice of his top scientists as new information and data comes about... They’d fault him if he didn’t.

    What we won’t see is what the Democrats would have done differently, except for those things which they could only have come up in hindsight.

    I log in each day for a bit of comic relief during this whole period and notobtuse never fails in saying such stupid things it brings a smile to the face


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    #674
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    kilns wrote: »
    I log in each day for a bit of comic relief during this whole period and notobtuse never fails in saying such stupid things it brings a smile to the face
    One again, oh exalted one, please indicate to us all where anything I noted in my comment is incorrect.

    As usual, I expect only crickets.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #675
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Like I said... Democrats only have solutions and recommendation to COVID-19 in hindsight. Joe Biden now says the China travel ban imposed by Trump at the end of January, that Biden opposed, should have happened sooner. You can't make this stuff up.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #676
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Kayleigh "We will not see diseases like the coronavirus come here" McEnaney in as new press secretary

    Clowncar in Chief replaces bullsh!tter with bullsh!tter icon14.png


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    #677
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    notobtuse wrote: »
    Like I said... Democrats only have solutions and recommendation to COVID-19 in hindsight. Joe Biden now says the China travel ban imposed by Trump at the end of January, that Biden opposed, should have happened sooner. You can't make this stuff up.

    It's not their inaction that costs lives


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    #678
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1247543595051241473


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    #679
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    https://mobile.twitter.com/funder/status/1247644121709363201

    Dementia:(


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    #680
    nigeldaniel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    I am afraid I am losing all hope for America. Not sure even the Dems can do much to put things right now. The level of worship from Fox'it'ers on Trump is as such that if he does not get the second run they will go on a turbocharged craze. Its a sad case indeed.

    Dan.



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    #681
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,300 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Cody montana wrote: »
    I follow Tammy on Twitter for the laughs.
    Not from California, lives there, but is forever complaining about it.

    They should all be sued.

    In fairness California has become some ****hole.

    Was there last summer, 20 year gap.

    San Francisco is filthy now, horrendous, was a fantastic spot.


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    #682
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    nigeldaniel wrote: »
    I am afraid I am losing all hope for America. Not sure even the Dems can do much to put things right now. The level of worship from Fox'it'ers on Trump is as such that if he does not get the second run they will go on a turbocharged craze. Its a sad case indeed.
    Oh, we’ll be quite okay. Thanks for your concern, though.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #683
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,179 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    i haven't looked at this thread in a while but has there been any discussion on trumps mental and physical state. this video of him at a press conference is worrying. https://twitter.com/TomJChicago/status/1247125591431798785


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    #684
    [Deleted User]
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    Bernie has suspended his campaign. A doddery old fool stands between Trump and re-election.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/bernie-sanders-ends-presidential-campaign-5070208-Apr2020/


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    #685
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Bernie has suspended his campaign. A doddery old fool stands between Trump and re-election.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/bernie-sanders-ends-presidential-campaign-5070208-Apr2020/

    Is Trump running against himself?


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    #686
    notobtuse
    Registered Users Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭notobtuse


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Bernie has suspended his campaign. A doddery old fool stands between Trump and re-election.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/bernie-sanders-ends-presidential-campaign-5070208-Apr2020/
    Finally. I guess he held out for a bigger fourth home from the DNC.

    You can ignorantly accuse me of "whataboutism," but what it really is involves identifying similar scenarios in order to see if it holds up when the shoe is on the other foot!



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    #687
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Bernie has suspended his campaign. A doddery old fool stands between Trump and re-election.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/bernie-sanders-ends-presidential-campaign-5070208-Apr2020/

    it certainly took the double magnum vintage brut champagne socialist a while to realise he had to leave. Those feeling the bern will stay home and its the long expected double term for trump.


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    #688
    KiKi III
    Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    it certainly took the double magnum vintage brut champagne socialist a while to realise he had to leave. Those feeling the bern will stay home and its the long expected double term for trump.

    A month ago I would have agreed with you.

    Pretty sure the Trump Administration's response to coronavirus will push some moderates and some diehard Bernie supporters towards Biden. The black and latin communities will rally around him. A good VP choice could make all the difference.


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    #689
    [Deleted User]
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    it certainly took the double magnum vintage brut champagne socialist a while to realise he had to leave. Those feeling the bern will stay home and its the long expected double term for trump.

    The US economy is fecked, the US haven't hit their actually peak in terms of their outbreak. Any actual quarantining and isolation are entirely down to individual states. The reality is horrifying, he's gotten a load of people killed because he can't cope with a crisis.


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    #690
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    I think a "we will over come this" war recovery rhetoric could do a hell of a lot more in saving trump than you think. when this starts subsiding the inevitable QE plan and bringing home manufacturing jobs from 'evil china' would keep him ahead of Biden.

    We have to remember that Trump has diehard fans, Biden is just 'less bad than trump' to most democrats.


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    #691
    KiKi III
    Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    I think a "we will over come this" war recovery rhetoric could do a hell of a lot more in saving trump than you think. when this starts subsiding the inevitable QE plan and bringing home manufacturing jobs from 'evil china' would keep him ahead of Biden.

    We have to remember that Trump has diehard fans, Biden is just 'less bad than trump' to most democrats.

    I don't know. The best case scenario according to Trump is 100,000 deaths. If each of those people has 100 people they interact with regularly (extended family, friends, colleagues, local community) that's TEN MILLION people (correct me if my maths is wrong?) who will directly know someone who died as a result of a crisis Trump managed poorly.

    If it ends up being 200,000 that's 20 million.

    For most people, that will hit home more than any political message from any side.


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