Putting your pronoun on Linkedin

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 17-11-2019 10:13am

brevity wrote: »

http://pronoun.is/all-pronouns

Handy guide for those that are curious

I think I'll go with vi/vim. Screw Emacs.

Wibbs · 17-11-2019 10:14am

He/She/Fuck off. Sorted.

is_that_so · 17-11-2019 10:20am

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

I did some interesting research on this the other day. It’s an absolute nightmare in other euro languages but there are still movements to change.

It's the bodies who control language rules who decide and they don't move fast. The Germans took 20 years to agree to change the double "s" and adding "new" pronouns is a whole lot more complicated. A lot of languages already have Tu v Vous distinction anyway.

Paddy Cow · 17-11-2019 10:35am

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

https://youtu.be/bX9FgvXZXZ8

I thought the second guy was taking the p!ss about the gendered language. I really hope that's the case.

JohnnyFlash · 17-11-2019 10:38am

Just insist cūnt is a valid pronoun.

Cūnt went to the park.

I went with cūnt.

Cūnt brought cūnt’s frisbee.

At least I think it was cūnt’s.

If anyone from Talent Development, Human Capital Management, or the People Resource Centre start giving you grief then accuse them of some sort of ism or phobia. Should be good for a promotion as well to be honest.

brevity · 17-11-2019 10:57am

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Nope, no. not happening. One of them is simply 'e'. That's a letter, not a pronoun! Another is 'zme'... Whatdeactualfuk?

Don't care what someone wants to call themselves, as long as I'm not forced to put something on my work documents. Work is no place for this craic.

I’m all for transgender rights (I’m not even sure the pronoun thing is a transgender thing) etc but I have some questions but I was to ask those questions I am immediately asterisked as someone who could be “problematic”.

If this is happening in a work environment and I get a pronoun wrong does that mean I’m up in front or HR?

I dunno anymore man...

antodeco · 17-11-2019 11:02am

antodeco (has willy).

Sorted.

Paddy Cow · 17-11-2019 11:02am

brevity wrote: »

I’m all for transgender rights (I’m not even sure the pronoun thing is a transgender thing) etc but I have some questions but I was to ask those questions I am immediately asterisked as someone who could be “problematic”.

If this is happening in a work environment and I get a pronoun wrong does that mean I’m up in front or HR?

I dunno anymore man...

The pronoun thing is more for people who identify as non-binary, which is nothing more than an attention grab. They're not trans or gay but want to identify as LGBT and this way is perfect. Their pronouns can also change on a daily basis, depending on whether they feel male, female or neither on the day :rolleyes:

17-11-2019 11:06am

Paddy Cow wrote: »

The pronoun thing is more for people who identify as non-binary, which is nothing more than an attention grab. They're not trans or gay but want to identify as LGBT and this way is perfect. Their pronouns can also change on a daily basis, depending on whether they feel male, female or neither on the day :rolleyes:

i was reading an interview with your wan from Billions where she's referred to as they all the time, and she's 'they' irl as well.
said that growing up the guys got better roles and more interesting lives so she decided to opt out of being female, basically.
didn't decide to examine the gender roles in women or anything, no, we should stick with gender roles and i'm not one of them.
we don't all like pink and sparkles and barbie. it doesn't make you not female

soups05 · 17-11-2019 11:25am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Just insist cūnt is a valid pronoun.

Cūnt went to the park.

I went with cūnt.

Cūnt brought cūnt’s frisbee.

At least I think it was cūnt’s.

I'm fairly sure it IS a pronoun in Australia.

Ficheall · 17-11-2019 11:26am

More helpful would be which title they needed to be addressed by. The "Dear Miss" etc used to be a pain, but now I just address everyone with "Dear Dr" (in academia, so it doesn't make me seem too ignorant).

Sonics2k · 17-11-2019 11:37am

It never ceases to amaze me just how worked up people get about this.

Why do people care?

mvl · 17-11-2019 11:41am

Wibbs wrote: »

He/She/Fuck off. Sorted.

Have the same feeling about ppl using cis as prefix - you refer to me as cis-woman on forums, you'll get an eff off from me. --> actually, I am waiting for boards to come up with an avatar for this, so that I don't have to say it every time.
On the serious side, if anyone hears about a new coined title for ppl who're against ageism at work (ageism as promoted by companies like google - you're 40 you can't get a job) - give us a shout.

Gynoid · 17-11-2019 11:42am

Sonics2k wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me just how worked up people get about this.

Why do people care?

Compulsion, m'dear. Compulsion.

the action or state of forcing or being forced to do something; constraint.

Rologyro · 17-11-2019 11:43am

How about “vag owner” or “dick owner” as pronouns?

“What did the vag owner say then?”

is_that_so · 17-11-2019 11:43am

Sonics2k wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me just how worked up people get about this.

Why do people care?

Indeed were it not for those who seem to want to use them they would be ignored.

17-11-2019 11:50am

GalwayGrrrrrl wrote: »

It’s not just happening on linked in. Twitter has a lot of professional groups on it and I’ve seen it multiple times on there. I don’t see the harm in it tbh. GalwayGrrrrrl she/her

Pics or GTFO

Gynoid · 17-11-2019 11:50am

Rologyro wrote: »

How about “vag owner” or “dick owner” as pronouns?

“What did the vag owner say then?”

Cancer Research UK is way ahead of you. They refer to women as ''anyone who has a cervix''. The British Medical Association officially advises the use of Pregnant People instead of pregnant women. The Guardian refered to women as menstruators. I have yet to notice men being called scrotum havers or penis people but I await at leisure.

brevity · 17-11-2019 11:52am

Sonics2k wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me just how worked up people get about this.

Why do people care?

I don’t care really, call yourself what ever you want. I’m not that precious about language.I remember der/die/das in German!

The problem is that I could lose my job and have my reputation damaged because I innocently said the wrong pronoun.

Huntergonzo · 17-11-2019 11:57am

No harm in people putting their personal pronouns up on Linkedin, be very handy if you're running a business and looking to hire. Be best to avoid anybody who feels the need to share their personal pronouns with the world.

Imagine the toxic atmosphere in a workplace where you had to walk on eggshells all day for fear of 'offending' someone.

Regards

Huntergonzo (carrott, banana, buttplug)

mvl · 17-11-2019 12:05pm

Have seen a discussion recently about the challenges moderators have today in Stack Overflow when handling gender neutral and more recently preferred pronouns (updates to the Code of Conduct)

Info at:

https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2019/10/05/stack-overflow-fiasco-timeline.html?fbclid=IwAR20Y3W8eC5WA3uPG5f0R1Dtiz33rIlhMaLETe6_Jn9iyQZbF-UJXScRwVA
Think I am allowed to copy a paragraph - "Same day: An employee with a "director" title posted and pinned a message saying the company is changing the CoC to require use of preferred pronouns and avoiding them is forbidden."

The level of censorship is madness.

Gynoid · 17-11-2019 12:10pm

mvl wrote: »

Have seen a discussion recently about the challenges moderators have today in Stack Overflow when handling gender neutral and more recently preferred pronouns (updates to the Code of Conduct)

Info at:

https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2019/10/05/stack-overflow-fiasco-timeline.html?fbclid=IwAR20Y3W8eC5WA3uPG5f0R1Dtiz33rIlhMaLETe6_Jn9iyQZbF-UJXScRwVA
Think I am allowed to copy a paragraph - "Same day: An employee with a "director" title posted and pinned a message saying the company is changing the CoC to require use of preferred pronouns and avoiding them is forbidden."

The level of censorship is madness.

Yeah, people still think its a bit of a laugh here, and will die off. But my good friend in America tells me that at almost every meeting, workshop, civic gathering, etc people are asked to go round the circle and give their names and pronouns. She says her name, and I refuse. Like the solid gold lady she is.

bunderoon · 17-11-2019 12:29pm

Paddy Cow wrote: »

The pronoun thing is more for people who identify as non-binary, which is nothing more than an attention grab. They're not trans or gay but want to identify as LGBT and this way is perfect. Their pronouns can also change on a daily basis, depending on whether they feel male, female or neither on the day :rolleyes:

Could this be where the 'They' & 'Them' comes from? That a person can mentally switch depending on their mood.
Before 2014, there were many more health professionals than there are now, who wouldn't hesitate to call this by its clinical name.

cj maxx · 17-11-2019 12:32pm

Rologyro wrote: »

I saw this for the first time today on an Irish LinkedIn profile. Their name was down as “Jane Bloggs (she, her)”. This just annoyed me, I think it’s a way for people to feel sanctimonious about how “woke” they are.

Do you think this is going to actually catch on?

I don't understand the question?

17-11-2019 12:59pm

Speaking of genders and official forms, the only official form I have come across which has options of Female / Make / Other is the immigration firm/visa application upon entry into Nepal of all countries. Very woke there!

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 17-11-2019 1:03pm

I would definitely appreciate potential hires informing me on LinkedIn how woke they are. Bullets dodged.

17-11-2019 1:05pm

antix80 wrote: »

Antix80. He /him/his

There are only 2 genders.

Trans men are not biological men.

Trans women are not biological women.

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness.

Mental illness should not be treated with surgery.

All of these things are true.

There has never been a more correct post here.

faceman · 17-11-2019 3:18pm

antix80 wrote: »

Antix80. He /him/his

There are only 2 genders.

Trans men are not biological men.

Trans women are not biological women.

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness.

Mental illness should not be treated with surgery.

All of these things are true.

You’re confusing gender with sex. Sex is biological and gender is a mix of personal identification and social role. We are born with sex, and we learn gender

Gynoid · 17-11-2019 3:30pm

faceman wrote: »

You’re confusing gender with sex. Sex is biological and gender is a mix of personal identification and social role. We are born with sex, and we learn gender

No. Apparently we give children chemicals that shrivel up their uteruses, vaginas and penises, leach density from their bones, retard the development of their frontal lobes, drop their IQ by many points and chop off their breasts and penises when they are still in their teens in order to "do" the gender thing. It is very physical in its present manifestation, not at all a learned or internal thing, gender is now absolutely conflated with biological sex on the physical plane in an utter retardation of human reason and compassion.

ODB, far as I am concerned you can talk about cancer all the time, your mentioning it is one of the most sobering manifestations of sanity on this site. For example I have to go for an uncomfortable procedure soon and I am fwcken squirming non stop at the thoughts of it, but your posts like that are the appropriate kick in the hole for me to stop my grizzling. I wish you all the luck and love in the world.

Raconteuse · 17-11-2019 3:30pm

antix80 wrote: »

Antix80. He /him/his

There are only 2 genders.

Trans men are not biological men.

Trans women are not biological women.

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness.

Mental illness should not be treated with surgery.

All of these things are true.

I agree mostly but not the end - what surgery treats mental illness?

And to be fair, when people identify as the other gender, it is treated as a mental illness initially - to rule that out. Hormonal treatment and gender reassignment are way down the line, and the last resort. They are established medical practices following much research, to be fair. Invasive surgery is never taken lightly.

Augme · 17-11-2019 3:35pm

Vicxas wrote: »

My company is one of those "woke" ones, and all the LGBT people put "schlee/schlim" or whatever they put in their email sigs and wear badges.

It makes me sick to my stomach that this is what the world is.

Why don't you quit?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 17-11-2019 3:53pm

Raconteuse wrote: »

I agree mostly but not the end - what surgery treats mental illness?

And to be fair, when people identify as the other gender, it is treated as a mental illness initially - to rule that out. Hormonal treatment and gender reassignment are way down the line, and the last resort. They are established medical practices following much research, to be fair. Invasive surgery is never taken lightly.

I wouldn’t be so sure. In the UK, there have been cases of minors being prescribed life-changing medication after only a handful of consultations. I read an interview with a former employee of the Tavistock Centre where she said that.

I don’t think any minor should be given either. The surgery is irreversible. And there isn’t enough data on the effects of the hormonal treatment (and not really any ethical way to figure that out). The human brain isn’t done developing until the early-mid 20s.

Paddy Cow · 17-11-2019 4:02pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I wouldn’t be so sure. In the UK, there have been cases of minors being prescribed life-changing medication after only a handful of consultations. I read an interview with a former employee of the Tavistock Centre where she said that.

I don’t think any minor should be given either. The surgery is irreversible. And there isn’t enough data on the effects of the hormonal treatment (and not really any ethical way to figure that out). The human brain isn’t done developing until the early-mid 20s.

It will be interesting to see how the woke handle the backlash that will come 10 to 15 years down the line, when people realise they didn't need the surgery and start questioning why there wasn't stricter controls.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 17-11-2019 4:07pm

Paddy Cow wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how the woke handle the backlash that will come 10 to 15 years down the line, when people realise they didn't need the surgery and start questioning why there wasn't stricter controls.

There are already people speaking out about this. Lawd help them.

cj maxx · 17-11-2019 4:13pm

First off, I'm hardly the smartest person and don't understand things like 'woke' but what is this thread about ???

high_king · 17-11-2019 4:18pm

Augme wrote: »

Why don't you quit?

Why should he ?

Potential-Monke · 17-11-2019 4:18pm

cjmc wrote: »

First off, I'm hardly the smartest person and don't understand things like 'woke' but what is this thread about ???

Apparently LinkedIn is still in use (possibly more popular than I think, I dunno, never really used it) and people are now putting their preferred pronoun on there so people can correctly label call them by their preferred pronoun.

Alf Veedersane · 17-11-2019 4:19pm

Rologyro wrote: »

I saw this for the first time today on an Irish LinkedIn profile. Their name was down as “Jane Bloggs (she, her)”. This just annoyed me, I think it’s a way for people to feel sanctimonious about how “woke” they are.

She, her

Paddy Cow · 17-11-2019 4:20pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

There are already people speaking out about this. Lawd help them.

It's dangerous to speak out or question the status quo. People are labelled transphobic, get fired and face abuse on social media. It's crazy.

Gynoid · 17-11-2019 4:24pm

Paddy Cow wrote: »

It's dangerous to speak out or question the status quo. People are labelled transphobic, get fired and face abuse on social media. It's crazy.

Maya Forstater, for example, who is presently legally defending the right to publicly state that human beings cannot literally change sex - https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/nov/15/researcher-defends-tweets-on-trans-rights-at-employment-tribunal

is_that_so · 17-11-2019 4:24pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Apparently LinkedIn is still in use (possibly more popular than I think, I dunno, never really used it) and people are now putting their preferred pronoun on there so people can correctly label call them by their preferred pronoun.

LinkedIn is actually very good, that is the networking, marketing and job opportunities it has. If none of those float your boat then it's not the platform for you.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 17-11-2019 4:25pm

I’m loathe to share this because people here seem to have a dim view of reddit. But I read a fantastic thread on it yesterday. It was by somebody who was at a work meeting in a very liberal American city. The leader told everyone to introduce themselves and their pronouns. The OP didn’t want to do the pronoun thing and was fretting about how to convey that without jeopardising her career. But in the end, she didn’t have to make the decision. Some dude ahead of her didn’t say anything about pronouns in his spiel. He was a senior employee and wasn’t pulled up on it so she thought little of it. But then everyone else after that made no mention of preferred pronouns either. Hurrah!

I suppose one could question the veracity of the story but it sparked an interesting discussion.

cj maxx · 17-11-2019 4:26pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Apparently LinkedIn is still in use (possibly more popular than I think, I dunno, never really used it) and people are now putting their preferred pronoun on there so people can correctly label call them by their preferred pronoun.

I'm still no wiser . Never used linked in

MrCostington · 17-11-2019 4:28pm

Don't think this guy has been mentioned yet?

There was a more relevant interview that I can't find, but while searching I saw something about YT censoring him..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44pERGAaKHw

Potential-Monke · 17-11-2019 4:31pm

cjmc wrote: »

I'm still no wiser . Never used linked in

I shall refer to is_that_so's post above then!

is_that_so wrote: »

LinkedIn is actually very good, that is the networking, marketing and job opportunities it has..

It's basically like Facebook for your career, but it's supposed to be only for your career, ie: previous jobs, completed courses, references, etc.

skallywag · 17-11-2019 4:47pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

It's basically like Facebook for your career, but it's supposed to be only for your career, ie: previous jobs, completed courses, references, etc.

It is best used as a snapshot of your current and past work experience and educational background. Nothing else. It does certainly get misused though.

Some folk use it like other social media and engage in public chat, which is completely wrong in my book, and does not tend to show one in a good light to a potential employer. Having a profile picture looking like you are ready to head out on the town is another cringe worthy common misuse.

Potential-Monke · 17-11-2019 4:50pm

skallywag wrote: »

Having a profile picture looking like you are ready to head out on the town is another cringe worthy common misuse.

I have one, but I think I set it up and never went back to it. That was over 13 years ago though... My profile picture is, if you know the game Fallout, me posing like one of the perk-boys in my own perk-boy t-shirt. Friend of mine made us look the same height... Think I should update now that I'm back in the private domain!

Your Face · 17-11-2019 4:53pm

(Big bollocks)

MrCostington · 17-11-2019 4:56pm

I deal with this girl in the UK for work and she appeared on my linkedin. Her pic was her wrapped around her fella, he looked like a right scanger (sp?) with his fringe gelled down in that striped fashion, and wearing a gold chain and a tracksuit. Very professional like.

17-11-2019 4:58pm

Paddy Cow wrote: »

It will be interesting to see how the woke handle the backlash that will come 10 to 15 years down the line, when people realise they didn't need the surgery and start questioning why there wasn't stricter controls.

Plenty happening already. People saying they caught up in the online trans community, were coached on what to say, obsessed over it all the time. Then a few years later they woke up and realised they'd butchered themselves, the promises that were made about how they'd feel didn't come true, and any mention of this is shut down by trans people who don't want to know. One person said they just clearly weren't well the whole time and someone should have stopped them. It's really heartbreaking.
I think there is a bit of a conflict as people who need lifelong medical treatment - which will need to be paid for - would be a bit of a cash cow for medical industry, plus they don't want to be called transphobic so they would just go along with it

The bigger backlash will be when children who were pushed into it end up adults and angry at it

Putting your pronoun on Linkedin

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