New social housing Johnstown court

cubatahavana · 25-09-2020 5:00pm

Supercell wrote: »

That's the situation we found ourselves, our area is nice and civilised and we have a garden and a safe environment for us and the kids here, but nearby in Ballybrack it's not great to be honest, I wouldn't like to live there, some of the council houses are very run down and the street outside is covered in litter and broken glass, depressing. You give people something for free, they don't put any value on it and as a result dont look after it.

We got double glazing in, fitted a gas combi boiler (awesome - instant hot water) and as a result we got rid of the immersion and put a shower in place of the hotpress where it lived in the bathroom. Wouldn't change it, new builds are great and all, but these days you just don't know who you are going to end up beside.

I understand. Having said that, I bought in a new development in 2008 and I couldn’t be happier with the neighbors that I got. Amazing people

Coybig_ · 25-09-2020 5:38pm

cubatahavana wrote: »

I understand. Having said that, I bought in a new development in 2008 and I couldn’t be happier with the neighbors that I got. Amazing people

Not really relevant because developers used to be able to offer properties in other developments in lieu of the part 5 requirement in any particular development. Or cash. They cannot do this anymore. 10 percent of all properties in a development with 10 or more houses must be given to a local authority. No cash substitute, no houses elsewhere.

Absolutely ridiculous really, that a house you could be paying 400k for, some people who might not have worked a day in their lives might be getting for free.

So owners of new builds in 2008 were still likely not living beside social housing tenants. Wouldnt in a million years buy in a new development now. A total p*sstake for the people actually forking out money for the properties, you'd want to be a bit of an idiot to be buying in a new build now.

breadmonster · 25-09-2020 5:51pm

KungPao wrote: »

The funny thing is if you do choose to buy in a settled area to avoid potential dodgy council tenants in new build estates, you’ll likely end up with a gas boiler (not heat pump), no solar panels, and lower insulation standards.

While the social tenants in the new builds will have all the bells and whistles.

Then you have to spend a fortune retrofitting your older safer bet property. And of course if someone on social welfare has an older house, they can apply for free upgrades.

Mad country all the same.

It sickening what the hell are people working for, trying to save for 20 years to build a deposit and then get out bought on houses given away for free.
May as well just go on the dole and join everyone else, less stress, healthier everything's free. starting to think only dumb people work in this country i'm just a slave if you earn less than 60k forget about it go on the scratch.

Gatling · 25-09-2020 6:01pm

breadmonster wrote: »

It sickening what the hell are people working for, trying to save for 20 years to build a deposit and then get out bought on houses given away for free.

You understand not everyone in social housing is lifelong unemployed ,

The majority work

billyhead · 25-09-2020 6:06pm

It's not only new builds. The council's are buying up private houses for sale and moving people on the local authority waiting list into them.

Coybig_ · 25-09-2020 6:07pm

Gatling wrote: »

You understand not everyone in social housing is lifelong unemployed ,

The majority work

You understand that to be eligible for social housing, you have to be under an income limit.

You understand that two people working minimum wage 40 hour jobs have you over the income limit in every single local authority in Ireland?

So tell me, how are the majority of these people working? Maybe they improve their circumstances once they get the property, but any couple moving into one of these houses is guaranteed to be on some form of welfare.

Coybig_ · 25-09-2020 6:11pm

billyhead wrote: »

It's not only new builds. The council's are buying up private houses for sale and moving people on the local authority waiting list into them.

True, but its a minority of local authorities who are definitely more aggressive than others in this regard.

Usually the agent or the owner of the property will contact the council to ask them to inspect with a view to bidding. Most local authority interest isnt coming out if thin air.

Typically the local authority is only interested where there wont be huge public interest, although there are outliers. Obviously a slap in the face to those who have to buy their own house with their own money, which they have likely worked hard and struggled for years to come up with.

Gatling · 25-09-2020 6:11pm

Coybig_ wrote: »

You understand that two people working minimum wage 40 hour jobs have you over the income limit in every single local authority in Ireland?

Do you happen to have the the limits for every single authority in Ireland at all ?

Coybig_ · 25-09-2020 6:17pm

Gatling wrote: »

Do you happen to have the the limits for every single authority in Ireland at all ?

http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/DevelopmentandHousing/Housing/FileDownLoad,29414,en.pdf

Gatling · 25-09-2020 6:20pm

Coybig_ wrote: »

http://www.environ.ie/en/Publications/DevelopmentandHousing/Housing/FileDownLoad,29414,en.pdf

In parts 42,000 enough for a mortgage , enough for a mortgage deposit no ,
Is it a lot when you have to pay for childcare , medical and educational needs of children absolutely not .
It there in private rentals half that income in going on rent

Coybig_ · 25-09-2020 6:24pm

Gatling wrote: »

In parts 42,000 enough for a mortgage , enough for a mortgage deposit no ,
Is it a lot when you have to pay for childcare , medical and educational needs of children absolutely not .
It there in private rentals half that income in going on rent

That 42,000 figure is specific to 3 adults and 4 children on one application. And only available in city locations.

42000 might be enough for a mortgage in some areas, you are correct, but those areas have an income limit of 26250 for 2 adults applying for social housing.

cubatahavana · 25-09-2020 7:04pm

So, if no one buys in a new development, we will all end up living in 100 years old properties soon enough.

Edgware · 25-09-2020 7:24pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Speak to Cluid and ask what their policy is regarding possible anti social behaviour, but that can happen in private residences too.

I think all residents for Cluid have to be vetted and are under rules and regs. But who knows?

All their tenants are vetted but then Sharon gets up the duff and then Jason or one of the other possible fathers moves in. Next is a line of pyjama wearing dollies walking up to Dunnes for their supplies of nappies and Doritos.

Coybig_ · 25-09-2020 7:27pm

cubatahavana wrote: »

So, if no one buys in a new development, we will all end up living in 100 years old properties soon enough.

Well people clearly are buying in new developments, I just dont think that they are very clever people in the slightest. I also dont think that the majority of the population is actually aware of the current Part V regs, and if they were , then maybe they wouldnt be so eager to purchase a new build. But that's just like, my opinion, man.

25-09-2020 7:32pm

Friend of mine bought a semi detached house in a new development around 06/07.
Attached to her are eastern europeans who have massive parties all weekend long.....
The other side, she had a lovely single woman, whose ex convict brother moved in with her a few years ago, all sorts of dodgy people coming & going all the time.
Smoke from joints coming into her house all the time from both sides, constant noise.

She is living in a nightmare. Private estate, all houses owner occupied.

Doesn't matter where you live, you cannot choose your neighbours.

Signore Fancy Pants · 25-09-2020 7:58pm

I live in the area, which is a mature and well established location. I chose it 10 years ago as it didnt seem to have much development potential...or not as much as other places I was also viewing at the time.

Then this parcel of land was bought, then the land opposite. Theres also a housing estate almost finished down the road too. Theres accomodation going anywhere they can squeeze it.

Im not overly enthused by hearing its a social development, im hoping my ignorance will be proved wrong.

TBH, it has been a nightmare listening to the construction so far, now the other site has kicked off. The added traffic from these two developments will also result in a clusterfcuk.

I should move :pac:

Jinglejangle69 · 25-09-2020 8:04pm

Gatling wrote: »

You understand not everyone in social housing is lifelong unemployed ,

The majority work

Actually this is incorrect.

In 2019, 54% of social housing tenants were unemployed and in receipt of social welfare.

jrosen · 25-09-2020 8:05pm

The part V in itself isn't new. But what I believe is new is that none of the part V homes are ever bought by the people living in them. Years ago when the developer would allocate properties to the local authority they were for affordable housing and shared ownership. Which meant someone got to buy it, (albeit discounted) that someone didnt have to be anyone on the housing list. It could have simply been someone who was a lower earner who in normal circumstances would never have gotten mortgage approval.

I actually agree with the part V in theory I just wish it went to someone who had to be financially invested. Someone who had to buy it.
There is no social housing in our development. The builder made a sweet little deal with the local authority. However the same builder has bought another site and built houses on it and has now let every single house go to a housing agency and the entire development will be social housing. Not one single property will be bought or ever could be bought.

Edgware · 26-09-2020 10:01am

jrosen wrote: »

The part V in itself isn't new. But what I believe is new is that none of the part V homes are ever bought by the people living in them. Years ago when the developer would allocate properties to the local authority they were for affordable housing and shared ownership. Which meant someone got to buy it, (albeit discounted) that someone didnt have to be anyone on the housing list. It could have simply been someone who was a lower earner who in normal circumstances would never have gotten mortgage approval.

I actually agree with the part V in theory I just wish it went to someone who had to be financially invested. Someone who had to buy it.
There is no social housing in our development. The builder made a sweet little deal with the local authority. However the same builder has bought another site and built houses on it and has now let every single house go to a housing agency and the entire development will be social housing. Not one single property will be bought or ever could be bought.

I have been involved in estates where affordable housing has been provided. Never a problem. Decent people on average incomes were able to buy in, get a stake in their development and get on with life. They are restrictions on selling up within a certain time frame etc but that is not an issue as these people are not speculators flipping properties.
However I've seen estates where social housing is provided. Again the usual 90 % who want to do their bit, raise their kids etc and 10% wasters, supposedly vetted by the housing .agency. They have no idea of keeping aplaceclean, obeying estate rules etc and consistently whinging to the housing agency about the property

jrosen · 26-09-2020 11:03am

Edgware wrote: »

I have been involved in estates where affordable housing has been provided. Never a problem. Decent people on average incomes were able to buy in, get a stake in their development and get on with life. They are restrictions on selling up within a certain time frame etc but that is not an issue as these people are not speculators flipping properties.
However I've seen estates where social housing is provided. Again the usual 90 % who want to do their bit, raise their kids etc and 10% wasters, supposedly vetted by the housing .agency. They have no idea of keeping aplaceclean, obeying estate rules etc and consistently whinging to the housing agency about the property

I would share your view, never a problem.

DraftDodger · 26-09-2020 11:14am

We live in a small affordable/social area. 80% of residents are fine but there are unfortunately a few absolute scummer families who ruin the area. Kids/teens always up to no good and pointless approaching the parents as they are as bad. Couple of drug dealing houses also Gardai don't want to know despite being approached by residents.

You could get lucky and get nice neighbours as we have or you could be stuck beside Anto the life long scrounger with the 5 kids he's no interest in and 2 pit bulls.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 26-09-2020 11:18am

cubatahavana wrote: »

Hi, I have come across the report regarding social housing and it looks like there are 51 units allocated in Johnstown court, Cabinteely. Seems like a new block that is currently being built will go all for social. Managed by cluid homes
I am in the process of buying nearby and I’m quite worried about this. Does anyone know anything else?

https://rebuildingireland.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Construction-Status-Report-Q4-2019-1.pdf

Page 34 of the report

Have a read of some of the residents of Cluid

Here’s Mary Sullivan

https://www.cluid.ie/news-stories/marys-our-story/

jrosen · 26-09-2020 12:32pm

Jax Happy Uppermost wrote: »

Have a read of some of the residents of Cluid

Here’s Mary Sullivan

https://www.cluid.ie/news-stories/marys-our-story/

If I were part of Cluid, Mary Sullivans story is the exact one I would want people to be reading.

Id also know the stories id be keeping quiet.

Edgware · 26-09-2020 12:41pm

jrosen wrote: »

If I were part of Cluid, Mary Sullivans story is the exact one I would want people to be reading.

Id also know the stories id be keeping quiet.

Thats the problem. Mary and many like here are good tenants who have availed of social housing and contribute to society. Then we have Jason, Jacinta and co who will not follow the house rules regarding bicycles left in common areas, closing of fire doors, late night parties, lines of washing on balconies and a lot more serious stuff. The Housing Agency wont enforce the rules. And people wonder why hard working property owners buckled down with mortgages dont want those ***** around the place

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 26-09-2020 12:45pm

jrosen wrote: »

If I were part of Cluid, Mary Sullivans story is the exact one I would want people to be reading.

Id also know the stories id be keeping quiet.

Like John Doyle Olympians
https://www.cluid.ie/news-stories/john-doyles-our-story/

Or

Hao Anh Nguyen

https://www.cluid.ie/news-stories/world-refugee-day-2020-hao-anh-nguyen/

Or

Tony Sherlock
https://www.cluid.ie/news-stories/tommy-sherlocks-our-story/

People like the any of us.

billyhead · 26-09-2020 2:09pm

I have neighbours who are from African descent who got a social house in which the house was purchased up by the council for social housing and last week they purchased a brand new vehicle worth about 45,000. You couldn't make it up.

Samuel T. Cogley · 26-09-2020 2:12pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Actually this is incorrect.

In 2019, 54% of social housing tenants were unemployed and in receipt of social welfare.

Quite a few of that 54% still working though

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 26-09-2020 2:16pm

billyhead wrote: »

I have neighbours who are from African descent who got a social house in which the house was purchased up by the council for social housing and last week they purchased a brand new vehicle worth about 45,000. You couldn't make it up.

Hi Joan Burton how are you keeping?
People on welfare can have nice things.
They usually pay more for that pleasure depending on higher purchase schemes or high interest loans.

jrosen · 26-09-2020 2:39pm

Jax Happy Uppermost wrote: »

Like John Doyle Olympians
https://www.cluid.ie/news-stories/john-doyles-our-story/

Or

Hao Anh Nguyen

https://www.cluid.ie/news-stories/world-refugee-day-2020-hao-anh-nguyen/

Or

Tony Sherlock
https://www.cluid.ie/news-stories/tommy-sherlocks-our-story/

People like the any of us.

Thats great for tommy he got new windows and doors and a new heating system.

There are thousands of families across Ireland who could do with the same but wont get it.

So as I said they know the stories to pedal.

Edgware · 26-09-2020 2:40pm

billyhead wrote: »

I have neighbours who are from African descent who got a social house in which the house was purchased up by the council for social housing and last week they purchased a brand new vehicle worth about 45,000. You couldn't make it up.

If you are working, paying reasonable rent to the council, havent a mortgage of 1200 a month then it is easy to buy a new vehicle on a 4 year loan. Being of African descent has nothing to do with it.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 26-09-2020 2:41pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Quite a few of that 54% still working though

You are able to receive social welfare and work but don’t let me interrupt your usual diatribe.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/social_welfare_payments_and_work/

billyhead · 26-09-2020 3:18pm

Edgware wrote: »

If you are working, paying reasonable rent to the council, havent a mortgage of 1200 a month then it is easy to buy a new vehicle on a 4 year loan. Being of African descent has nothing to do with it.

I don't think they work unless there working remotely because the kids are brought to school and collected and the vehicle is parked up the rest of the day apart from shopping trips etc. Also isn't the whole point of getting a free council house that you are living on the margins.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 26-09-2020 3:31pm

I know some people here want those on welfare to look and live like they are out of a Dickens novel but it’s 2020 some parts of society have evolved.

We have multiple different local authority and social housing schemes with many different criteria and eligibility.

As you don’t seem to know much about the family, I understand it’s difficult curtain twitching, why don’t you ask them?

Maybe they have a council loan?

Step away from the curtain and have a read of the different schemes:
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/local_authority_and_social_housing/

jrosen · 26-09-2020 3:37pm

Jax Happy Uppermost wrote: »

I know some people here want those on welfare to look and live like they are out of a Dickens novel but it’s 2020 some parts of society have evolved.

We have multiple different local authority and social housing schemes with many different criteria and eligibility.

As you don’t seem to know much about the family, I understand it’s difficult curtain twitching, why don’t you ask them?

Maybe they have a council loan?

Step away from the curtain and have a read of the different schemes:
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/housing/local_authority_and_social_housing/

I think what most people want is for there to be some accountability from housing agencies for the tenants they place.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 26-09-2020 3:42pm

jrosen wrote: »

I think what most people want is for there to be some accountability from housing agencies for the tenants they place.

I want accountability for the neighbours beside me who like me bought their house but are a nightmare.

Some people are horrible, put on your big boy pants and sort it out yourself without looking for a scape goat.

jrosen · 26-09-2020 3:47pm

Jax Happy Uppermost wrote: »

I want accountability for the neighbours beside me who like me bought their house but are a nightmare.

Some people are horrible, put on your big boy pants and sort it out yourself without looking for a scape goat.

Who is looking for a scape goat?

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 26-09-2020 3:50pm

jrosen wrote: »

Who is looking for a scape goat?

You’re looking for accountability from the council.
Sort it out with the tenants.

jrosen · 26-09-2020 3:57pm

Jax Happy Uppermost wrote: »

You’re looking for accountability from the council.
Sort it out with the tenants.

If councils are going to house people along with housing agencies the very least they can do is have a clear and transparent process for complaints. Its not alot to ask.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 26-09-2020 4:53pm

jrosen wrote: »

If councils are going to house people along with housing agencies the very least they can do is have a clear and transparent process for complaints. Its not alot to ask.

It is a lot to ask.

Why should they be treated any different to anyone else?

Why should someone have it easier because they live beside council tenants?

I’m not a council tenant, my neighbours not, we have to resolve things without any help.

Living beside a council tenant is much easier than living beside someone who owns their home.

https://www.housing.gov.ie/housing/social-housing/local-authority-tenants-and-anti-social-behaviour

Edgware · 26-09-2020 5:48pm

billyhead wrote: »

I don't think they work unless there working remotely because the kids are brought to school and collected and the vehicle is parked up the rest of the day apart from shopping trips etc. Also isn't the whole point of getting a free council house that you are living on the margins.

Rent is paid in accordance with the income going in to the house. I accept fully that the Councils efforts in recouping millions of rent arrears is pathetic needless to say bound by some rule that you cant deduct it from welfare.
You dont have to be on the margins. People on low income will never be able to raise the necessary deposit or prove ability to repay a mortgage

dowhatyoulove · 26-09-2020 7:59pm

Coybig_ wrote: »

Well people clearly are buying in new developments, I just dont think that they are very clever people in the slightest. I also dont think that the majority of the population is actually aware of the current Part V regs, and if they were , then maybe they wouldnt be so eager to purchase a new build. But that's just like, my opinion, man.

I’ve bought in a new development this year and we were very aware of the part V conditions - not everyone wants to live in an old house - in our estate we could find the part v houses as they were on the planning permission.

And at the end of the day, our house is our home as it’ll be owned by us and we don’t have to worry about the council or a landlord while renting

cubatahavana · 26-09-2020 8:31pm

dowhatyoulove wrote: »

I’ve bought in a new development this year and we were very aware of the part V conditions - not everyone wants to live in an old house - in our estate we could find the part v houses as they were on the planning permission.

And at the end of the day, our house is our home as it’ll be owned by us and we don’t have to worry about the council or a landlord while renting

It depends as well on the size of the development. I’m not worried about the part v of my development at all, it’ll be just 4 one bed apartments

Madeoface · 30-09-2020 10:36am

I live in the area too. Mainly one beds as one poster said so I don't know where they'll keep the scramblers and pit bulls..

The whole block is social, so what will happen the other block then? Will DLRCoCo allow that to become a mini ghetto as very few people will shell out big money for a private apartment that sits across from 50 units of social housing. You'd hope Cluid run a tight ship.

There is another block of social housing (rented i think) up by the national school for the last 5 years which originally looked to be populated by young single mammies (sorry, one parent families) but I've noticed a lot of the dads are in there now too. To be fair it remains in good nick and appears to have no issues.

In contrast we have an absentee landlord opposite who has rented his place to the council for the last 10 years - nothing but trouble in it. Raids by the drugs squad, fights, junkies coming and going...young shams driving in and out of it in their BMW's at all hours; so you can get nonsense anywhere.

You'd hope the people are vetted properly but it only takes a couple of tenants to ruin it for the other people in genuine need. It would be ideal for pensioners though, with the shops and medical centre opposite....though come back in ten years and that could be a methodone clinic!

cubatahavana · 30-09-2020 11:29am

Madeoface wrote: »

I live in the area too. Mainly one beds as one poster said so I don't know where they'll keep the scramblers and pit bulls..

The whole block is social, so what will happen the other block then? Will DLRCoCo allow that to become a mini ghetto as very few people will shell out big money for a private apartment that sits across from 50 units of social housing. You'd hope Cluid run a tight ship.

There is another block of social housing (rented i think) up by the national school for the last 5 years which originally looked to be populated by young single mammies (sorry, one parent families) but I've noticed a lot of the dads are in there now too. To be fair it remains in good nick and appears to have no issues.

In contrast we have an absentee landlord opposite who has rented his place to the council for the last 10 years - nothing but trouble in it. Raids by the drugs squad, fights, junkies coming and going...young shams driving in and out of it in their BMW's at all hours; so you can get nonsense anywhere.

You'd hope the people are vetted properly but it only takes a couple of tenants to ruin it for the other people in genuine need. It would be ideal for pensioners though, with the shops and medical centre opposite....though come back in ten years and that could be a methodone clinic!

Block opposite is being developed by the same builder, so it may follow suit. Would this be allowed or would residents be consulted?

I’ve lived in an area for the last 10 years with a good bit of social housing in it, and it hasn’t been an issue, that’s why I’m not too concerned, but as you say, just one person can cause loads of problems. Of course this is correct as well in estates without social housing.

Madeoface · 30-09-2020 2:01pm

cubatahavana wrote: »

Block opposite is being developed by the same builder, so it may follow suit. Would this be allowed or would residents be consulted?
.

Who would be consulting them? The developer doesn't care who buys them and the charity is not concerned with the locals, their only function is to ensure they fulfil their mandate and keep their well paid jobbies. The left in the council think its great (they kept the ghost bus that is the 59 running despite it being empty about 90% of the time) and the others can't make a scene because of the homeless crisis....though 14% of the people on the list in DLRCOCO still refused housing as it wasn't large enough or wasn't where they wanted to be....

Unless the unfortunate people who back on to these two soon very ugly and large buildings lobby their councillors then it could very well be 100 units...

jrosen · 30-09-2020 3:30pm

Madeoface wrote: »

Who would be consulting them?

Unless the unfortunate people who back on to these two soon very ugly and large buildings lobby their councillors then it could very well be 100 units...

Unfortunately i dont think any amount of lobbying will make a difference. The council have told us their desire to house people trumps any concerns locals have and any opportunity they get to get people off their housing lists they will take. The % of social housing doesnt matter.

I recently saw on the local authority planning a developer finally have his application approved. Not because he remedied the issues that were objected too. But because he applied using the strategic housing plan and basically went around the LA. An Board Planala approved no questions asked basically. So all the locals who were concerned about traffic, children at play, safety, lack of amenities have been ignored.
We are retuning to times where the aim was build build build and worry about schools, traffic, access to GP"s later.

cubatahavana · 30-09-2020 3:58pm

I've been reading the latest newsletter from Cluid and it specifies that they received 54 complaints last year. Out of a total of nearly 7.5k houses/homes. That doesn't look too bad at all. I would be happy with those figures, as long as they are true

https://www.cluid.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/From-House-to-Home_Summer2020_web.pdf

cubatahavana · 15-03-2021 3:12pm

small update:

Apartent block is nearly finished and due to the magic Murphy's Law, I actually know one person that has been offered an apartment there. Looks like they are all garda vetted and checked for anti social behaviour. I ended up buying my house near. After all, housing is a necessity and I realized I am not too bothered about it

JimmyVik · 15-03-2021 4:04pm

I would run a mile. Speaking as someone who grew up in social housing.
99% of people will be great. Its the 1% or pr!cks that will destroy the development (and that 1% is always present in social housing).
And if their destruction is visible to potential buyers in future, you will lose money when you sell.

And that Garda vetting means nothing. I have a friend who moved in and a lovely couple moved in beside them with their two 12 and 13 year olds.
Roll on a few years and one of those kids is now one of the biggest dealers in the area. Has gangs of scumbags out in the front garden every day.
I would not like to be trying to sell a house within sight of that.

New social housing Johnstown court

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