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Berlin Q or Bust: Road to sub 2:45

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Virtual Dublin Marathon 2020: 2:56:51@4:12/km

    Preamble:
    Woke pretty early around 5am, 6am in old money, so got showered and watched a bit of TV and had my trusted pre marathon brekkie of porridge with some soda bread and sipped on a Powerade. It was new experience being at home on the morning of, and I found it hard to get in the necessary head space before I left the house. Drove down to the loop where I parked up and met my mate who was gonna do bike duties for the day. Wind was a little concerning, but it was what it was, tried not to let it distract me.

    Pace wise I knew it was gonna be a little uneven with the wind working for or against for most of the looo, not a lot of sections with cross winds. The tentative plan was to get the 20 miles with a little cushion as regards Sub 3, and then hope my lack of Long Runs would not catch up on me. Was gonna go by effort the whole way around and not get too hung up on any splits in particular.

    Loop was around 4.7k, so it worked out at just under 9 loops. I knew that another mate was going to run 15/16 miles with me if he could and his plan was to come down and join me from tge start of my 3rd loop.

    My usual disclaimer of apologising for km splits in a marathon report applies here too... ;)

    Km 1-5 (20:48)

    Started into the wind for the first 2 km or so and I probably should have eased back a bit here. The thoughts of doing that stretch 8 more times didn't exactly appeal. Mate on the bike was good company, we've trained and raced together for years so he knew what to say to me and when to say it! Coming back with the wind behind was nice, but as always, I never seemed to be gaining back what I put into the wind.

    Splits: 4:14, 4:09, 4:12, 4:06, 4:07

    Km 6-10 (20:46)

    Took an electrolyte drink on at 5k, and a gel at 5 Miles. Just trying to zone out here. Wasn't feeling amazing, legs felt a bit heavy, but I figured it would pass. It was early days and I was well rested during the week. Good few runners on the looo doing their own virtual races and got a load of shout outs which were appreciated.

    Splits: 4:10, 4:11, 4:08, 4:08, 4:09

    10k Split: 41:34

    Km 11-15 (21:07)

    Mate joined me just before 10k, and strangely it had an adverse affect on proceedings. I'd said to him I'd be running 6:45 pace, give or take, but he took it literally and was acting as a pacer, rather than the bit of company that I actually wanted (but of course I hadn't actually told him this beforehand). He was running about 3m in front of me and not helping. Message was relayed and he came back. Lace opened in this stretch as well which annoyed me and set me back a few seconds. Was starting to worry a small bit, but again, I knew it was hopefully a little bump in the road and I was gonna run through it. Took on a caffeine gel about 15k.

    Splits: 4:16, 4:13, 4:12, 4:13, 4:13

    Km 16-20 (20:56)

    Through 10 miles, my wife and kids had postioned themselves on the route to cheer me and this gave me a boost. Gel was kicking in and I was starting to feel some good vibes again. Within a couple of km, all was good again, and I'm feeling very good and positive about things. Had settled down now and had figured out effort levels both with and against the breeze.

    Splits: 4:14, 4:12, 4:09, 4:06, 4:15

    20k Split: 1:23:37

    Km 21-25 (20:57)

    Don't recall a massive amount from this stage except that I was feeling great. Through halfway in 1:28:12 which was fine. Decent bit of wiggle room in the bank already for if things got difficult later on. Mate who was running with me was struggling a hanging on a little bit, but he stayed around and was much appreciated. Legs feeling great and wasn't under any pressure here at all. Thoughts of winding things up came into the head, but it was still early days so I said I'd wait until 20 miles and reassess.

    Splits: 4:11, 4:07, 4:14, 4:11, 4:14

    Km 26-30 (20:48)

    Running mate dropped out about 28/29k and took a loop off so that he could rejoin me for the business end. Apart from my mate having to cycle back to car to pick up a bottle of Powerade, which resulted in me really hanging for a drink while made his way back, things were going very smoothly. My own Parents and my in laws were now at different points on the loop too so I was in good spirits as the pointy end approached.

    Splits: 4:12, 4:08, 4:06, 4:11, 4:11

    30k Split: 2:05:22

    Km 31-35 (21:17)

    Another clubmate who was part of the 035 master's team with me which won a leinster medal in DCM last year (his 2:27 and my 2:53 both scored on the day ;)) met us coming back into town and kindly hopped in and assumed pacing/vibesman duties. Quick chat about how I was feeling, target pace etc and off we went. Picked up my other mate for the final 5 miles and we were a merry little band. Was feeling the left calf and left hamstring a little now, but still chipper enough about holding on. About 35k I thought left calf was gone for. Mate on the bike squirted water on it without informing me beforehand and the scream I let out was quite unbecoming of me! Slowed a little, thought it was going to spasm... But it held up and the pain passed.

    Splits: 4:14, 4:09, 4:08, 4:16, 4:20

    Km 36-40 (21:17)

    Loop and a half left now, pace is fine but I ain't gonna push things. Lack of longer stuff is coming into play now and I want to finish the damn thing. I'm feeling ok. Granted I'm in the last couple of miles of a marathon but the pace is not too hot and I've a lot left in the tank. Just need the legs to play ball....which is why the second lace opening during km 39 is not appreciated! As I'm cursing the lace and weighing up the pros and cons of tieing it, my mate on the bike reminds me in fairly colourful terms that I fell last weekend with my laces tied so I'd better tie the f*#king things! Manage to do this without cramping up and on I go. Takes me a while to get going after the laces but once I get going again, the last couple of km are downwind and I know I'm going to finish out ok.

    Splits: 4:11, 4:11, 4:08, 4:20, 4:17

    Km 41-42.2 (4:19, 4:08, 4:05 for the bit.)

    Watch beeps at 41k and for the first time in the race I think about the actual finish time. 4:10 pace will dip me under 2:57 and I figure that I can allow that sort of pace without calf or hamstring going south. Bring it home and finish with the family waiting for me :)

    2:56:51 @4:12/km for the 26.2

    Delighted with that effort in slightly tricky conditions and in a surreal enough setting. The race plan went pretty much as hoped and I felt in great nick after I finished.

    Seriously good vibes for the rest of the weekend after this. The base of fitness which I hoped was there, was indeed there. Being able to rattle out an effort like this having not gone over 30k since August, in a TT and nowhere near race weight all bodes well for the future....but that's for another post. As Shotgun said, just gonna enjoy this one for what it was :) No matter how fast I may or may not complete the marathon in the future, a sub 3 is always something to savour. This was my 4th to date and I definitely never thought I'd get one in Newbridge!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    See TTs are guaranteed satisfaction :) Your loop sounded positively crowded J! :P
    Great to have company for the duration and support on the loops. I guess it felt amazing to arrange all that and execute on the day with regular shouts from those that matter most to you. Nicely executed sub3! I guess when you finally go sub3 its just not that scary anymore but its still very satisfying as its also never easy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    Quality stuff there J - can't say I'm surprised either.

    Interesting to see your lack of "long run" being a slight concern when in reality you've probably done plenty of longish steady efforts....not the usual marathon type efforts or distance of course but it just shows that we possibly overthink and maybe over rely on those 20(+) mile runs


    Well done, delighted to see you in this kind of shape


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Lambay island


    Nice running J. Sounds like a well executed plan bar the laces opening part :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Impressive run J. Sub 3 at relative ease tells you all you need to know about your progress.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Duanington wrote: »
    Quality stuff there J - can't say I'm surprised either.

    Interesting to see your lack of "long run" being a slight concern when in reality you've probably done plenty of longish steady efforts....not the usual marathon type efforts or distance of course but it just shows that we possibly overthink and maybe over rely on those 20(+) mile runs


    Well done, delighted to see you in this kind of shape

    Thanks DD. The Hanson plan did enter my thoughts as I was worrying about the lack of LRs. I've no doubt that it works for a lot of people, and may well work for me too...But if I was chasing a PB out there Sunday I think that the lack of 20 milers in the last couple of months would have found me wanting. But you're right, I did have a few steady (and beyond steady) 15 milers in there to keep in touch with the longer stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭Comic Book Guy


    Incredible run and time for a marathon basically done on a whim for a beanie hat!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    Very impressive run. I really hope you get to race a real marathon soon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Very impressive run! Well done :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Impressive run J. Sub 3 at relative ease tells you all you need to know about your progress.

    +1000 to this. Unreal improvement from a 36 minute Irish Runner 5 mile in 2016.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Thanks for all the kind words on here and on other places :) Diet was particularly scandalous this week, but i gave myself the week to pig out, and am gonna refocus now. Virtual marathon has given me a bit of impetus and also more confidence as regards what I could do in a race at the end of a proper training block.

    Almost laced up shoes on Monday, but that would have been a bit pretentious I reckon. Legs were good though so went for a couple of good walks with the pooch on Mon & Tue before returning on...

    Wed: 4 Miles Easy: 33:51 @5:15/km

    With eldest fella on his bike.

    Thu: 10k Easy: 49:04 @4:54/km

    Sat: 13.5k Easy: 1:04:45 @4:52/km

    Got caught in one of the worst rain showers I've ever seen! 2nd half was a miserable enough affair after the soaking. Listened to The Bloodied Field podcast with Michael Foley. Great listen, read the book a few years back and would highly recommend both.

    Sun: LR 20.4k Relaxed: 1:30:53 @4:27/km

    Felt like a longer steadier effort, didn't have a distance or pace in mind, but was happy with the end result. Nothing rearing it's head after last weekends exertions.

    Smidgen over 50k for the week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    Easy does it, J - a marathon is a marathon. Time trial or not


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Duanington wrote: »
    Easy does it, J - a marathon is a marathon. Time trial or not

    Thanks DD. I hear you... Nothing crazy planned this week (scratches 8x1 mile session from schedule)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Mon: 9k Recovery: 47:58 @5:19/km

    On the sodden plains. Weather grim enough but still enjoyable. Capped it at 9k as it was getting dark and cold and I wasn't really kitted out for either.

    Tue: 7 Miles Easy: 54:38 @4:51/km

    Easy after kids athletics.

    Wed: Session: 15.1k: 1:07:22 @4:27/km inc 6x3 mins Hard off 2 mins.

    Have decided to do a short 7 week block leading up to a 10k TT the week before Christmas. Will keep an eye on how I'm feeling over the next few weeks, and will back off if necessary, but at the moment I'm feeling pretty good :)

    Averaged about 3:21/km for the efforts, about 900m covered give or take in the 3 mins. Had been a while since I'd done anything quicker, but was happy with the session.

    Thu: 11.1k Easy: 56:07 @5:04/km

    Easy after work.

    Fri: Session: 15k: 1:02:54 @4:12/km inc 6x1 Mile @Threshold off 60 secs + 4x200/200m on/off.

    Took to the Lidl Loop for this one. Evening was nice and crisp and after a couple of km warm up got straight down to business. Target for mile reps was 5:54, and allowing for breeze, route and traffic, splits were fairly consistent and they felt like an appropriate effort for threshold pace (5:55, 5:50, 5:55, 5:50, 5:53, 5:51). 200's were nominally aimed at 38 secs but i just went hard at them, which resulted in splits of (38, 38, 37, 40)

    Sat: 9k Very Easy: 45:48 @5:05/km

    Shuffle around the bog listening to coverage of the election being called for Biden.

    Sun: Long Run: 15 Miles: 1:36:08 @3:59/km inc 2E/8MP/1Threshold/2MP/2E

    It was only when I was programming this into the watch that I thought to myself, 'Oh, this is, eh, a pretty decent workout!'.

    And it was! Left out a water and gel at about 10 miles of the route. Had to pit stop in my sister in laws just before the MP section...was caught badly short and was in complete desperation mode :o That taken care of, I worked my way into the marathon pace section (2:45 is the target next time off, so I'm working off that marathon pace. My last 'race', the 10 mile TT, would back up the idea that it's an appropriate MP, so I'm gonna work off those paces.). Working into the wind for a period, but felt really strong this morning, and as the run went on, i felt better and better. Splits ended up as; 8 Miles MP@3:51/km, 1 Mile Threshold @3:38/km, 2 Miles MP@3:51/km.

    VDCM has given me a great impetus. Diet has been pretty disciplined this week (apart from a couple of IPA this evening watching the Lilywhites :)) and am looking forward to working hard the next few weeks.

    60 Miles for the week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Mon: 8 Miles Recovery: 1:05:00 @5:03/km

    Usual Runner Beans shuffle.

    Tue: 10k Easy: 47:40 @4:46/km

    Tight enough for time due to a few things popping up on the home front. Which led to...

    Wed: Unscheduled Rest

    Thu: A few things at home making running a little tricky this week. Long Run on Sunday is off the cards, so my two sessions & Long Run workout had to be reshuffled, put into the mixer, and come out as one session + 1 LR session. Which led to...

    10+Miles: 1:07:12 @4:06/km inc 3x2 Miles @Threshold + 4x200m on/off.

    Lidl loop was wild tonight and the 2 mile sections were fairly all over the place as regards wind direction. I'll give the 2 Mile rep times with mile splits which paints the picture fairly well.

    11:43 (5:44,5:59)
    11:44 (5:52,5:52)
    12:02 (6:12,5:50) That 6:12 was hard earned too! Into the teeth of it with a couple of dicey patches of wet leaves left me with just too much to make up.

    The 200's were all in and around the 38-40 sec mark, although I need to plan things a bit better as some of them were on ropey enough footpaths.

    Happy with the effort levels here, especially in tricky enough conditions. Easy 10k later, and 15/16 Miles tomorrow with some 'stuff' thrown in :) I love some of these sessions when you're just focused on the current rep, and then at the end of the session you look at the overall distance and pace and think 'Jaysus...'. I mean, I split 1:23:07 for a HM during Sunday's LR which is a bit mad...Anyway,I'm rambling a bit now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Right - in the absence of many races recently - we need a report........

    But not just any report.............

    The report of a superhero!

    (Pre-amble/Amble/Post-amble to be included)

    Hit it J.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Fri: 10k Easy: 49:49 @4:59/km

    Easy saunter around the plains listening to Paul O'Connell on Potholes & Penguins pod. A great listen.

    Sat: LR 26.6k: 1:49:22 @4:07/km inc 2x5Mile@MP (31:32 & 31:18) off 1Mile easy.

    Hadn't planned a LR session this week, but as I alluded to in my previous update, I had to juggle things a bit and ended up with the above workout. Set off and had figured out a route that would take in Kildare Town and then back across to the Curragh and home.

    The wind was predominantly a cross wind and, until the last couple of MP miles, I never seemed to have it in my favour which got a bit annoying as a lot of the route was very exposed. First MP mile was uphill and tough going. Watch beeped at 6:28 and I'm thinking that it might be one of those days, but I settled in to things and the next 4 miles were back on plan (6:14, 6:16, 6:17, 6:16).

    The above 5MP miles did include a little interlude that involved me stopping some crime! As I was coming into Kildare town, a lady had passed me on a bike and said something along the lines of 'fair play' to me. Gave her the thumbs up and noticed the bike was very pink, basket on the front...'fair play yourself missus!' I thought, as it didn't look the easiest thing to cycle in a strong wind.

    About 500m up the road I could see her stopping and going into a local Centra that's on the outskirts of the town. Next thing I know, some little scrote emerges from somewhere and is in the process of hopping up on the bike and cycling away. 'OOOOOIIIII!' comes the shout from myself. 'Get the f*$k off the bike now!' followed. The scrote, about 13/14 I'd say, and full transparency here, didn't seem to have the engine of a teenage Slovenian Ski Jumper, starts to make his get away, but there's no chance he's going to outrun/cycle me (I've also some cheatboots on today), so I get to him, grab the handlebars, he falls/jumps off the bike and scarpers. Was gonna go after him, but I was more concerned with getting the ladies bike back to her. Wheeled it back to the shop and after a couple of minutes she came back out. Filled her in on my adventures and after refusing a monetary reward, headed back out for the last MP mile of the first set. No big deal :D

    Second 5 Miles proved a lot more straightforward and was moving well. However the wind had taken it's toll, and I was pretty happy to turn and finally get the benefit of a tailwind for the last couple of miles (6:17, 6:21, 6:22, 6:04, 6:14).

    Sun: 10k Recovery: 52:59 @5:18/km

    Listening to the Bloodied Field podcast. Excellent stuff. Had a few too many beers later on watching the latest Bloody Sunday for the Lilywhites in HQ :(

    86km for the week off 6 days running.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    ha ha ha ha - brilliant stuff here J, fair play to you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,502 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Not all heroes wear capes ;)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    healy1835 wrote: »

    The above 5MP miles did include a little interlude that involved me stopping some crime! As I was coming into Kildare town, a lady had passed me on a bike and said something along the lines of 'fair play' to me. Gave her the thumbs up and noticed the bike was very pink, basket on the front...'fair play yourself missus!' I thought, as it didn't look the easiest thing to cycle in a strong wind.

    About 500m up the road I could see her stopping and going into a local Centra that's on the outskirts of the town. Next thing I know, some little scrote emerges from somewhere and is in the process of hopping up on the bike and cycling away. 'OOOOOIIIII!' comes the shout from myself. 'Get the f*$k off the bike now!' followed. The scrote, about 13/14 I'd say, and full transparency here, didn't seem to have the engine of a teenage Slovenian Ski Jumper, starts to make his get away, but there's no chance he's going to outrun/cycle me (I've also some cheatboots on today), so I get to him, grab the handlebars, he falls/jumps off the bike and scarpers. Was gonna go after him, but I was more concerned with getting the ladies bike back to her. Wheeled it back to the shop and after a couple of minutes she came back out. Filled her in on my adventures and after refusing a monetary reward, headed back out for the last MP mile of the first set. No big deal :D

    Second 5 Miles proved a lot more straightforward and was moving well. However the wind had taken it's toll, and I was pretty happy to turn and finally get the benefit of a tailwind for the last couple of miles (6:17, 6:21, 6:22, 6:04, 6:14).

    Sun: 10k Recovery: 52:59 @5:18/km

    Listening to the Bloodied Field podcast. Excellent stuff. Had a few too many beers later on watching the latest Bloody Sunday for the Lilywhites in HQ :(

    86km for the week off 6 days running.

    Fair play J, lots of people would have just let him go!

    That's a brilliant podcast series, listening to the last one as I type.

    Sorry about the Lilies. You may or may not have attended a league match against the Dubs in Croker in 2013, bitter cold and a gale blowing straight down the pitch. A Kildare mate coined the term "Mothers Day Massacre" for that one :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    1x4M at MP, 1x 100m at VO2max, 1x 1M at MP, 1x5M at MP. Nice work J.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Fair play J, lots of people would have just let him go!

    That's a brilliant podcast series, listening to the last one as I type.

    Sorry about the Lilies. You may or may not have attended a league match against the Dubs in Croker in 2013, bitter cold and a gale blowing straight down the pitch. A Kildare mate coined the term "Mothers Day Massacre" for that one :D

    Oh I was there that day alright J. If memory serves, it was the day after my birthday, March 9th or so, and i had a few beers afterwards. Took until about pint number 4 to start to thaw out! Bloodied Field book is a great read also.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Mon: 7 Miles Easy: 56:31 @5:00/km

    Had an extremely rare day in work where I was a little tired and emotional after some Sunday GAA beers...by the time the evening knocked around a run was pretty low on my to-do list, but I got out the door and that would have to suffice.

    Tue: 13k Easy: 1:05:18 @5:01/km

    Easy trot with training partner who is on the comeback trail and trying to log consistent miles for the time being. Pace suited me perfectly. Threw in a few strides as well.

    Wed: Session: 7x3 mins Hard off 4 mins jog. Paces/km for 3 mins: 3:19, 3:20, 3:23, 3:22, 3:24, 3:22, 3:20: Total: 17.3k: 1:15:00 @4:20/km

    Again, out late enough on a wild evening. Took to the smaller Industrial park loop, 600ish meters, as I just couldn't be dealing with the Lidl loop and the inconsistent splits that the wind would bring. Was a bit on auto pilot and felt a little distant for the first couple of efforts, but was moving smoothly by the end. These 3 min hard intervals are all covering approx 900m right now.

    Thu: 12.2k: 1:01:30 @5:02/km

    See Tuesday. :)

    Friday: Session: 3Miles Threshold/4x200+200/3 Miles Threshold

    Took to the loop in the Camp after work for this one. Forgot headphones today which annoyed me from the off! Very rare that this would bother me, must be getting used to the tunes during workouts. Tight enough for time as traffic in Newbridge is a bit grim at the moment with various little road works grinding the town to a halt, which meant i had to be out of the Camp at 4 ish to get back and collect little people. Shortened warm up done, I eased my way into the threshold section, posting miles splits of 5:57, 5:55 & 5:52. Was working by the 3rd mile.

    Made a right mess of programming workout on the watch. Left nothing between 3 miles and 4x200, then managed to make the repeat 4 by 200m on, 20 secs off rather than 200m on, 200m off. Muddled my way through it, before discarding a jacket I'd on at the car and finding headphones in the process. Threw them on and had an almost identical 3 Mile effort of 5:57, 5:55, 5:53. Short c/d for a total of 13.7k: 54:10 @3:57/km. Although there are some missing recoveries in there, so in reality, a bit longer and slower.

    Building nicely.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Sat: 11.5k Very Easy: 59:23 @5:03/km

    Shuffle around the bog listening to final episode of The Bloodied Field. Powerful and emotional stuff. Watching events from HQ later on left me sort of happy that Kildare didn't get through to the final. I've sat through enough of those hidings to last me a lifetime at this stage.

    Sun: LR: 26k: 1:47:15 @4:07/km inc 10 Miles @MP in 62:27.

    Dropped a couple of bottles of water and a gel on the route beforehand. The glorious morning made me quite excited to get out and hit the road. Same route as last week, which, after being stopped and lightly interrogated by a Garda checkpoint on the edge of Newbridge (I lied, said I was doing loops of the Curragh :o), meant a tough first mile up the hill towards the race course grandstand (6:25). Settled down after that and, whilst I was glad the 10 miles were over, felt pretty strong.

    105k for the week. Tipping along nicely. Keeping the easy days easy and putting in the work on the others :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Mon: 8.6k: 43:00 @5:00/km

    Didn't get out of work til after 7pm. Was starving, but managed to nip onto the loop in the camp and do a few easy kms. Finished day off with a Burger King... 'twas one of those days.

    Tue: Lactate Threshold Test

    There was a chap in the DFTC that offered my training partner the chance to do this, and the offer was subsequently extended my direction. I've no real plans to train by HR at this moment in time, but I was curious about the data and what it suggested.

    Test consisted of 3min intervals on the treadmill, after which lactate was taken and recorded, in addition to HR reading, and then speed went up by 1 km/h. I'd never done anything other than easy or recovery stuff on the treadmill and my plodding, low gravity stride is definitley ill-suited to a workout like this :)

    It was a sub max test, so we got from 8kph to 19kph. I probably/possibly could have rattled off the 20, but he may have been peeling me off the floor mid interval either, so we left it at that, as he had enough data points by the time we hit 17kph.

    A few bits and bobs of note:

    *I'd the chest strap on and hooked up to his Garmin, which was strapped onto the treadmill. I also just had the HR showing on my watch out of interest. The inaccuracy of the optical HR was pretty huge. I'm tipping away at 119 for the first 3 mins and my watch is 150+. I've never paid too much attention to the HR results from the watch, and I definitley won't be now.

    *Was intrigued about the HR data, and the chap, who trains in Emmet Dunleavy's group, was seriously on the ball. Gave me a lot to think about, but I'll see what the man in charge says.

    *Results suggested that I have a lot more potential than I've shown over 5k/10k type stuff. He asked me if I was quick when I was younger, to which I had a good laugh at. But yeah, he reckoned I could do a good bit of damage to my current times... But I'd have to actually train for those distances, and well, you know where I am on that!

    *Data also matched up with where I think my fitness is at right now, so all in all, I was happy that I did it. Whether I do anything with the data is another question...

    Wed: AM: 8.5k: 44:04 @5:10/km
    PM: 10.5k: 51:21 @4:53/km

    Easy double.

    Thu: 9.3k: 52:06 @5:36/km

    Shuffle around the sodden plains with a mate I hadn't seen for a while.

    Thresholdy session this afternoon. Nothing major planned for LR this weekend.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Fri: Session: 4x1Mile Threshold off 60 secs/2 Miles Threshold/6 strides

    Friday afternoon sessions are sort of suiting me more the last couple of weeks, so I took to the loop in the Camp fairly lively after school. Session itself was fairly run of the mill. Paces were a tad quick, but effort felt spot on. I'd an easy enough week up to Friday, with the Lactate test replacing midweek session, so that maybe explains that to an extent. Splits were; 5:48,5:47,5:45,5:44 & 11:40. Tight for time so cool down was almost non-existent.

    14k: 55:56@4:00/km for the day.

    Sat: 12.4k: 59:10@4:46/km

    Easy and enjoyable jaunt around the town.

    Sun: LR: 26.3k: 2:00:01@ 4:34/km inc 6x1mile on/off @7:00/7:45

    As my training partner continues his return, I told him I'd do a long run with him if he agreed to put a few efforts in there for good measure. He'd done nothing in a LR for quite a while, so he was apprehensive enough about finishing the 6 efforts, but he dug in and the quicker stuff seemed to agree with him and he was delighted, if tired, by the end. Averaged 6:52/7:36 for the on/off. Was happy with how easy it all felt on my end...

    104km for the week.

    10k TT beginning to loom on the horizon. Not sure what sort of knick I'm in, but it's provided a bit of focus and training has gone very well the last four weeks. Will do a shorter TT this weekend, 5k or 4 Miles I think...might depend on if there's anyone around who'll go with me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Mon: 9 Miles Easy: 1:10:23@4:51/km

    Tue: 9 Miles Easy: 1:10:15@4:51/km

    Wed:
    AM: 9.1k: 45:08 @4:58/km
    PM: 11.4k: 48:29 @4:15/km inc 3x1 Mile Threshold

    Easy enough session with shorter TT coming up at the weekend. Efforts were off 2 mins. Had gotten a rare early one in before work, so wasn't under too much pressure to add on any big mileage around the session. Efforts were 5:50, 5:41, 5:49. Ended up sharing loop on second rep with a couple of guys were doing 2 mins on/off so I naturally quickened up in their slipstream which accounts for the quicker split

    Thu:
    11k Easy: 57:07@5:11/km

    Fri:
    7Miles Easy: 54:59@4:53/km

    Sat:
    10k Easy: 48:07@4:49/km

    All of the above were nice and easy. Feeling pretty good all week. Which led to...

    Sun: 5k TT: 16:51@3:22/km

    I'd planned on running something shorter than 10k two weeks out from the TT, but I wasn't overly bothered what distance. It was just a blow out that I was after. Was sort of decided on 4 Miles, but a clubmate who's gonna do the 10k with me, said he'd be up for a 5k TT this weekend so that decided matters.

    He'd ran a 16:44 a few weeks back and he's in 5k/10k type training so I said I'd try and apply some kind of elastic band tactics and not let him get too far down the road. I was thinking I might scrape under 17 mins if all went but wasn't overly concerned with the time as long as the effort was there.

    He had said that he was gonna go out at 5:20 for the first mile which didn't really appeal to me! However after the first mile I was pretty much on his heel. He'd a 5:21 and I think i went through about 5:22. I was pretty happy with how I was moving and how that pace felt. I was running in kms though and the first two kms came in at 3:21,3:21 and I'd hit the front. I decided that I was just gonna keep going hard and try and stay in front. If i blew up, I blew up. I didn't feel like that was gonna hapoen however.

    3rd k comes in a 3:25. I'd met a little bit of army traffic and had to slow down at one corner which cost me a couple of seconds. Tried to pick it up then and came back with a 3:23. Last km now and I knew that a 3:29 would get me under the the 17 mins, but I wasn't showing any signs of struggling. Holding this pace was a completely new experience for me and I was able to get a little annoyed at myself that I hadn't pushed harder in the 3rd and 4th kms......This thought however was quickly dispelled by my lace opening with about 900m to go. Conditions were slippy this morning and if there's one man that would bust himself over his own lace in a TT it's me! I let out a choice word or two, and eased into a couple of corners, but tried to keep it from my mind and finish the job.

    Clubmate, sensing blood in the water, caught me with about 50m to go and came home in 16:49. I came back with a 3:21 final km and saw 16:51 Fastest 5km come up on the watch :)

    Wasn't even sure I was doing a 5k until Wednesday, and I certainly didn't think I'd post a time like that. The manner of it was very encouraging; I wasn't wiped at the end and for the first time ever I actually felt like I enjoyed a 5k. It would certainly give me a bit of confidence over the distance going forward. Most importantly, it bodes well for the 10k in a couple of weeks. 10k cool down for 102k for the week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    healy1835 wrote: »
    Mon: 9 Miles Easy: 1:10:23@4:51/km

    Tue: 9 Miles Easy: 1:10:15@4:51/km

    Wed:
    AM: 9.1k: 45:08 @4:58/km
    PM: 11.4k: 48:29 @4:15/km inc 3x1 Mile Threshold

    Easy enough session with shorter TT coming up at the weekend. Efforts were off 2 mins. Had gotten a rare early one in before work, so wasn't under too much pressure to add on any big mileage around the session. Efforts were 5:50, 5:41, 5:49. Ended up sharing loop on second rep with a couple of guys were doing 2 mins on/off so I naturally quickened up in their slipstream which accounts for the quicker split

    Thu:
    11k Easy: 57:07@5:11/km

    Fri:
    7Miles Easy: 54:59@4:53/km

    Sat:
    10k Easy: 48:07@4:49/km

    All of the above were nice and easy. Feeling pretty good all week. Which led to...

    Sun: 5k TT: 16:51@3:22/km

    I'd planned on running something shorter than 10k two weeks out from the TT, but I wasn't overly bothered what distance. It was just a blow out that I was after. Was sort of decided on 4 Miles, but a clubmate who's gonna do the 10k with me, said he'd be up for a 5k TT this weekend so that decided matters.

    He'd ran a 16:44 a few weeks back and he's in 5k/10k type training so I said I'd try and apply some kind of elastic band tactics and not let him get too far down the road. I was thinking I might scrape under 17 mins if all went but wasn't overly concerned with the time as long as the effort was there.

    He had said that he was gonna go out at 5:20 for the first mile which didn't really appeal to me! However after the first mile I was pretty much on his heel. He'd a 5:21 and I think i went through about 5:22. I was pretty happy with how I was moving and how that pace felt. I was running in kms though and the first two kms came in at 3:21,3:21 and I'd hit the front. I decided that I was just gonna keep going hard and try and stay in front. If i blew up, I blew up. I didn't feel like that was gonna hapoen however.

    3rd k comes in a 3:25. I'd met a little bit of army traffic and had to slow down at one corner which cost me a couple of seconds. Tried to pick it up then and came back with a 3:23. Last km now and I knew that a 3:29 would get me under the the 17 mins, but I wasn't showing any signs of struggling. Holding this pace was a completely new experience for me and I was able to get a little annoyed at myself that I hadn't pushed harder in the 3rd and 4th kms......This thought however was quickly dispelled by my lace opening with about 900m to go. Conditions were slippy this morning and if there's one man that would bust himself over his own lace in a TT it's me! I let out a choice word or two, and eased into a couple of corners, but tried to keep it from my mind and finish the job.

    Clubmate, sensing blood in the water, caught me with about 50m to go and came home in 16:49. I came back with a 3:21 final km and saw 16:51 Fastest 5km come up on the watch :)

    Wasn't even sure I was doing a 5k until Wednesday, and I certainly didn't think I'd post a time like that. The manner of it was very encouraging; I wasn't wiped at the end and for the first time ever I actually felt like I enjoyed a 5k. It would certainly give me a bit of confidence over the distance going forward. Most importantly, it bodes well for the 10k in a couple of weeks. 10k cool down for 102k for the week.

    Two things:

    - Great Run

    - Learn to tie your fcukin laces...

    TbL


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Two things:

    - Great Run

    - Learn to tie your fcukin laces...

    TbL

    You'd think I'd have learned my lesson...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Mon: 13k Easy: 55:59@5:05/km

    Non descript jog around the Lidl loop listening to AMK bag some swag on the Runner Beans podcast :) for one glorious moment I thought they were about to ring him up...

    Tue: 11.5k Easy: 57:23@4:58/km

    Bog Loop.

    Wed: Session: 11Miles: 1:17:44 @4:23/km - 2E/3T/2E/2T/2E

    I think whatever run I was due to do would have been an effort. Testing day in work, weather was just grim, hadn't eaten enough and, well, wasn't really in the humour to do it! Took to the dark, misty and murky roads of the camp and set off. Wind never really seemed to be helping on the loop (I know this was probably more psychological than anything) and it took me a little while to get to the pitch of threshold effort. Efforts ended up being 17:51 & 11:55 for the two threshold parts which just about kept things in threshold pace range. Met a guy at the start of my warm down and ended up chatting for about ten minutes, which made the final 2 easy miles a real slog when I started back up again. Decent session though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    healy1835 wrote: »

    Wed: Session: 11Miles: 1:17:44 @4:23/km - 2E/3T/2E/2T/2E
    .

    You know for a session like this one. Would you just go from the 2 easy straight into the 3 tempo/thresy or would you do a warm up then drills etc then start the 2 easy?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    MY BAD wrote: »
    You know for a session like this one. Would you just go from the 2 easy straight into the 3 tempo/thresy or would you do a warm up then drills etc then start the 2 easy?

    Usually just straight into the 2 Easy Sean. I might throw in a few surges during the 2 easy depending on how awake I am after the first mile. But more often than not, get head straight during the easy stuff and then get after it. *disclaimer. This approach may or not be best practice :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    healy1835 wrote: »
    Usually just straight into the 2 Easy Sean. I might throw in a few surges during the 2 easy depending on how awake I am after the first mile. But more often than not, get head straight during the easy stuff and then get after it. *disclaimer. This approach may or not be best practice :D

    It’s not broken anyway, I would do the exact same doing a session.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    healy1835 wrote: »
    Usually just straight into the 2 Easy Sean. I might throw in a few surges during the 2 easy depending on how awake I am after the first mile. But more often than not, get head straight during the easy stuff and then get after it. *disclaimer. This approach may or not be best practice :D

    Thanks I was just interested in your approach. That's the way I ran my sessions 4 or 5 years ago when I was marathon and half training but the past few years I've been focusing on 10km max along with training with mainly track guys so it was always warm up, activations, drills, strides in that order before any session. I suppose its just a different way to do these things that I got in the habit of doing. I don't think either is best practice it probably depends on the session and what it's meant to achieve.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    MY BAD wrote: »
    Thanks I was just interested in your approach. That's the way I ran my sessions 4 or 5 years ago when I was marathon and half training but the past few years I've been focusing on 10km max along with training with mainly track guys so it was always warm up, activations, drills, strides in that order before any session. I suppose its just a different way to do these things that I got in the habit of doing. I don't think either is best practice it probably depends on the session and what it's meant to achieve.:)

    Where do you get the time?!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Thu: Pair of commutes: 15k all in all. No watch but pretty pedestrian.

    Fri: Session: 6x4mins hard off 3mins.

    Got out to the track in Newbridge for this and threw on the Streak 7's. Weather was pretty crap, but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as Wednesday. It's amazing how '6x4mins' doesn't look like a whole lot, but if you had 6 x 1.2k down on the plan then you'd pay a lot more attention to that!

    Tunes on, warm up completed, just got after things. Paces for the 6 efforts were fairly consistent, and I was running pretty damn 'hard' as instructed. (3:19, 3:17, 3:18, 3:17, 3:21, 3:18/km were the paces). Ended up with
    14km: 54:38 @3:54/km. Was fairly wiped afterwards.

    Sat: 10K Recovery: 51:39@5:08/km

    Sun: 26k LR: 2:00:10 @4:37/km

    Just like a couple of weeks ago, I went out with my buddy who's regaining his fitness/mojo. Session was the same on the exact same route; 6x1mile on/off @7:00/7:45. Similar enough splits to the previous LR but he was in far better fettle this time around. Mile on efforts were; 6:39 (I had to stop to get something out of my eye, and stopped watch, so I had to catch up to him), 7:00, 7:00, 6:54, 6:42, 6:41.

    I poured it on a little on the 5th mile as we had decided to pick it up for the sixth and last one ;)

    107k for the week. 10k TT on Saturday :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Mon: 'Rest'
    Erin Healy is now 3 years old and after an afternoon of partying, present building and all the usual birthday shenanigans, I found myself going to sleep at 7pm; the same time as my little lady. 11 hours later I came to....Feeling a bit sluggish today. Hope I'm not coming down with something. I'm usually primed for a dose towards the end of the first term :(

    As an aside, I was reminded during the weekend of a moment during DCM '19 which gave me a great laugh and also brought back just how 'In the zone' we get during a big race....I was coming through Milltown and the club had their little spot where they were cheering on everyone, and that day I would have been firmly in the middle of a big negative split 2nd half performance and also the 3rd man home from the club resulting in a team 35+ bronze medal. Anyway, I was reminded that when asked if I wanted water, the reply came back 'NO WATER!!' accompanied by a Ric Flair woooohhhhhh and a Shooter McGavin gun totin' celebration :) I have no recollection of this, but I'm assured it happened! That feeling, that late into a marathon, is what I'm chasing, what most of us are chasing I think. When you're into choppy waters at the back end of a race, but you know that you're having a good day and pulling out a big performance. 2021 hopefully...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    https://youtu.be/wsiX0-EC-ZE

    You’re the image of the Nature Boy in fairness!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Testing enough week ongoing at the moment. Shoehorned in a 6am session yesterday, won't get out today, would have to be wrapped up by 9am on Sat morning if I was doing my 10k TT...so I'm gonna take a rain check.

    Finally saw the light when my alarm went at 5am this morning, yes 5am as I had planned to get an easy run in, and I just thought what am I doing!? It's a 10k TT that I've arbitrarily picked the date for no real reason. I'll push it out until end of January and keep honest over the Christmas. Enjoying the 10k stuff the last few weeks so will keep going with that type of stuff. Might do a 5 Mile TT around Raheny time. We'll see. Anyway, happy now that I've pulled the plug.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Tue: 11.6k Easy: 55:19 @4:47/km

    Wed: Session 3 x 1 Mile Threshold. Did this at 6:30am which is a first for me and a session. The week was slowly getting away from me and I tried to shoehorn this one in on an absolutely wild morning down here. First Mile was 5:57 and watch died during the second. I possibly hit the threshold mark for the second and third but who knows! Probably ended up running about 11 miles all in all. Don't think early morning sessions are for me.

    Thu: As per the previous log entry, running wasn't an option. Canned the 10k TT. Felt better.

    Fri: 13.5k Easy: 1:03:35@4:42/km

    Sat: 10.6k Easy: 53:10 @5:00/km

    Sun: Pacing a HM: 1:27:54 @4:10/km

    Mate and another chap were doing a HM down in Monasterevin and my services were requested. I was only too happy to help them out and took off down there on a lovely morning for it. The chap who I didn't know was looking to break 90 mins for the first time but felt like he could go a bit lower. My mate, who is on the comeback trail, was happy enough to hang in for however long he could, getting a good workout in the process.

    Enjoyed the pacing I have to say. Stopped a couple of times to get gels and drinks for the two lads that they had stashed on the route and was happy with how easy I found it to get back up to them. Route was lumpy enough and not great for a TT, so fair play to the two lads for picking it.

    I told the chap that we'd get to 10 miles and see how he was fixed. My mate was gradually dropping out the back after 8 miles but put in a good shift and finished in 1:31ish I think. My pacee was moving well and as we came back into the town for the last 2 miles I asked him if he wanted to up it and he was happy enough to. Last 2 miles were 6:20 & 6:12, so he finished like a tank. Loads of good vibes afterwards and A good morning workout for yours truly. I remember breaking 90 mins in the Race Series HM back in the day and being in awe of the two lads pacing the 1:30 group, so it was nice to be able to be in that position myself now :)

    Just under 50 miles for the week inc 2 rest days. Brought up 5000km for the year too. Will tip away over the holidays and enjoy my running.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭MrMacPhisto


    healy1835 wrote: »
    Tue: 11.6k Easy: 55:19 @4:47/km

    Just under 50 miles for the week inc 2 rest days. Brought up 5000km for the year too. Will tip away over the holidays and enjoy my running.

    Well done. I have enjoyed reading the log throughout the year. Enjoy enjoying the joyful running over the festive period.

    Hopefully 2021 will provide an opportunity for ya to enjoy the fruits of your 2020 labour. Good luck :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    Looking forward to seeing what you can produce in 2021, J - enjoy the break


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭ReeReeG


    healy1835 wrote: »
    I remember breaking 90 mins in the Race Series HM back in the day and being in awe of the two lads pacing the 1:30 group, so it was nice to be able to be in that position myself now :)

    Amazin. What do you put this down to, consistency? The training laid out by your coach/friend? (not sure what you refer to him as!) Its unreal that you can hit 5000km in a year (including several tough workouts) with no S&C... are you human?!

    I love this log, thanks for sharing your training with us :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,490 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Nice pacing there, J, and good decision to can the TT, I think - nothing to gain from yet another TT!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Well done. I have enjoyed reading the log throughout the year. Enjoy enjoying the joyful running over the festive period.

    Hopefully 2021 will provide an opportunity for ya to enjoy the fruits of your 2020 labour. Good luck :)

    Thanks mate. Hopefully we'll get on to a start line together next year and I can attempt to cling on to your coat tails :)

    PS. Feel free to start (or resurrect?) a training log of your own. I'd be first in line to read it anway...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    ReeReeG wrote: »
    Amazin. What do you put this down to, consistency? The training laid out by your coach/friend? (not sure what you refer to him as!) Its unreal that you can hit 5000km in a year (including several tough workouts) with no S&C... are you human?!

    I love this log, thanks for sharing your training with us :)

    I certainly don't call him my coach...I've often referred to him as my 'mate who looks after my training', so I'll stick with that. I am very very lucky in fairness to have his knowledge and guidance. As regards staying away from injury without any s & c, there's nothing I can say that wouldn't put me in danger of jinxing myself so whatever is happening there, long may it continue!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭healy1835


    Mon: 11.7k Easy: 57:32@4:56/km
    Mooch around the Camp.

    Tue: 7 Miles Easy: 55:03@4:53/km
    Mooch around the town. Holidays had arrived :)

    Wed: 11.7k Easy: 59:41@5:05/km

    Thu: Session: 10 Miles MP: 1:01:53@3:51/km

    Various bits and bobs going on at home, but managed to get up to the loop in the Camp for a few MP miles. It just seemed like a good idea and the fact that I had my new Endorphin Speeds to try out made it an enjoyable afternoon.
    Was cruising for this one. Good humour. Tunes pumping. Shoes felt pretty amazing. Obviously the good feative vibes helped here, but I was in a really nice rhythm and they seemed to suit my stride. MP felt easy today.

    Fri: 7.4k: 35:56@4:53/km.
    Got out for a quick one whilst the turkey was in the oven. Apart from having to negotiate the depressing, rubbished filled main street, it was an enjoyable one.

    Sat: 14k Easy: 1:10:01 @5:00/km
    Got this one in before I really went to town on the sauce whilst watching the football all day. Enjoyed the beers, not so much the Sunday after....

    Sun: 'Rest'

    Have decided that this log has run it's course and will be continuing the journey in a shiny new log. New year, new log. Hopefully the next 5 years will be just as enjoyable as the first 5 :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    Can I just say, absolutely no need to close this log. TbL has over 5,000 and AMK over 3,500 on there original logs since joining the forum, only reason I closed my original log is because I threw this toys out of the pram, keep the log going J.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭shotgunmcos


    +1 to B. No need but I've had prob 6x logs since 2008 so I get it. New goals, new chapters. Change is change, but for a purpose hopefully? Dedicated 2:45 log?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    This is probably my favourite log. Its your choice to close it but its great to see your progress from where you started to where you are now. BTW that progression today was almost as beautiful as Murphs photo


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