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Advice for Carrauntoohil

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  • #52
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    FrostyJack wrote: »
    Presume you mean heritage sites as waterfalls and mountains aren't man made i.e. monuments.

    Some "heritage" sites require payment as they provide up keep, facilities like toilets and parking etc, so I imagine this requires some money. Though I suppose if the world owes everything, just walk in where ever you want.
    Stop being a pedant, you knew what I meant three posts ago, I even spelled it out again for you "any site of interest really..." Get it now?


  • #53
    FrostyJack
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    Thargor wrote: »
    Stop being a pedant, you knew what I meant three posts ago, I even spelled it out again for you "any site of interest really..." Get it now?

    I spelled out what you were saying if you read the post already. I see you ignored the rest of the post about facilities and up keep, doesn't fit your world view. I think I will go to the cinema on the way home and not pay in, sure they can call the cops if they want, I will bring my dog too, she is trained so it won't bother anyone.....*satire*

    http://www.wicklowmountainsnationalpark.ie/dogs.html

    http://wicklowuplandscouncil.blogspot.com/2012/12/walkers-asked-to-leave-their-dogs-at.html


  • #54
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Where did I mention not paying into the cinema? :confused:

    You think right of access to places like Carantouhill and Lough Tay can be confused with going to the cinema without paying? Do you actually think like that or are you just pretending to be thick for the sake of mindless arguing?


  • #55
    FrostyJack
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    Thargor wrote: »
    Where did I mention not paying into the cinema? :confused:

    You think right of access to places like Carantouhill and Lough Tay can be confused with going to the cinema without paying? Do you actually think like that or are you just pretending to be thick for the sake of mindless arguing?

    I never said you did. The cinema is a place of interest, someone owns/rents the land, someone has to supply the facilities etc therefore they have the right to charge admission and restrict people going in. If you can't see the parallels, I cannot help you, but I am sure everyone else can see. Rules are there for a reason, I don't fully support them, but I respect them as it is not my land or property. Some access is better than no access.


  • #56
    Pat Mustard
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    Mod:

    Okay, the fact of the matter is that Carrauntoohil is in private ownership, and whether people agree with it or not, private landowners are allowed to exclude people from their property and they can exclude dogs from their property too.

    This discussion has moved off topic now. Can we move back on topic now, please.


  • #57
    The Black Oil
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    Might be heading up around the 20th. Good to refresh some thoughts/advice from this thread.

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



  • #58
    Jovetic
    Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭Jovetic


    Might be going up this weekend. Have no climbing experience although Croagh Patrick was easy enough :cool:

    Might be worth investing in a compass, and learning how to use one. Anyone got a link to a map I can print off? I was hoping to follow the crowd up and down?


  • #59
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    Jovetic wrote: »
    Might be going up this weekend. Have no climbing experience although Croagh Patrick was easy enough :cool:

    Might be worth investing in a compass, and learning how to use one. Anyone got a link to a map I can print off? I was hoping to follow the crowd up and down?

    At this time of year, map and compass or GPS should be brought alright, and no point bringing them unless you can use them to some extent. Don't bank on following the crowd, if it's very misty out there you won't see them! Climbing experience not really necessary, many people only go up one mountain, and that is Carrauntoohil. But common sense is needed.


  • #60
    BarryD
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    Jovetic wrote: »
    Might be going up this weekend. Have no climbing experience although Croagh Patrick was easy enough :cool:

    Might be worth investing in a compass, and learning how to use one. Anyone got a link to a map I can print off? I was hoping to follow the crowd up and down?

    Sure here: http://www.homeatfirst.com/2007/CarrountoohilMap.gif

    But if you want a proper map, well go and buy a decent one and support the making of more maps :)


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  • #61
    Tiriel
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    Jovetic wrote: »
    Might be going up this weekend. Have no climbing experience although Croagh Patrick was easy enough :cool:

    Might be worth investing in a compass, and learning how to use one. Anyone got a link to a map I can print off? I was hoping to follow the crowd up and down?

    Use common sense. I had a guide thankfully who knew the area inside out but if I didn't, the fog/mist was so bad at the top I would have really struggled with finding the right path down.

    Read up on the routes and pick the one most suitable. Go equipped, with water/snacks and the right gear - it is cold at the top. If the weather is not clear and if you can't use a compass, don't risk it.


  • #62
    Charlie19
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    If going up during a weekend it tends to be very busy, most people generally head up via cronnans yard and take the most straight forward route that takes you up to the Devils ladder, when you reach the top of the ladder you then head up to the peak which is on your right.

    I agree with the other posts about visability, the cloud cover can become very thick very quickly and could become very dangerous on the descent.


  • #63
    Jovetic
    Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭Jovetic


    So if there's loads at the weekend going up, and the weather looks like it could be good like today, is there not safety in numbers finding our way back down :confused:

    cheers


  • #64
    BarryD
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    You'll just have to make a judgement call for yourself :) No point asking here whether you should go or not - hillwalking is an adventure sport at the end of the day and you have to take responsibility for yourself!

    If you do decide to go, get an early start as it's a good climb up and it's getting dark now at 7ish. Carry good warm and windproof clothes, hat and be prepared to turn back if in doubt.


  • #65
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    Jovetic wrote: »
    So if there's loads at the weekend going up, and the weather looks like it could be good like today, is there not safety in numbers finding our way back down :confused:

    cheers

    If the weather is good and the forecast is good, well then you might find it okay to head up and down and rely on sight to guide you. But following a group in mist can be risky, they might be heading off across Caher Ridge for example taking you well away from the routes down. After about 30 times on the summit I still have say it can be confusing coming off the summit in mist, the routes down the first hundred metres going to the Devils Ladder and on across to Caher look similar.

    Try this, much better at analysing the effect of height in weather patterns, don't rely on Met Eaireann's guide to whats happening 1,000 metres below you to tell you cold, rainfall etc. at the top of Carrauntoohil.

    http://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Carrauntoohil/forecasts/1038


  • #66
    pavb2
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    I was thinking of doing this week after next but after reading this thread might give it a miss.

    I've done Croagh Patrick a few times and you can't really get lost up and down but I'm Not really used to reading maps or using a compass so this might be a bit too much I would probably need to do it with a group.

    Anyhow I'll do some more research.


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  • #67
    Thargor
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    pavb2 wrote: »
    I was thinking of doing this week after next but after reading this thread might give it a miss.

    I've done Croagh Patrick a few times and you can't really get lost up and down but I'm Not really used to reading maps or using a compass so this might be a bit too much I would probably need to do it with a group.

    Anyhow I'll do some more research.
    Danger is always exaggerated in this forum, you'd swear there were dead bodies all over Lugnaquilla like on Everest the way people go on, just do it, its a great day out, the drive down there is as dangerous as the climb.


  • #68
    Losty Dublin
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    Thargor wrote: »
    Danger is always exaggerated in this forum, you'd swear there were dead bodies all over Lugnaquilla like on Everest the way people go on, just do it, its a great day out, the drive down there is as dangerous as the climb.

    Danger is not exaggerated on here, not in the least. Caution and care, well you can't have enough of that in the outdoors. We've all seen people do irresponsible things even on minor walks; some environs need a lot more care than others and the likes of Lug and the McGiddy's need rather a lot of care. Be thankful that there are a few experts here to share their knowledge.


  • #69
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    Thargor wrote: »
    Danger is always exaggerated in this forum, you'd swear there were dead bodies all over Lugnaquilla like on Everest the way people go on, just do it, its a great day out, the drive down there is as dangerous as the climb.

    From 10 months back...
    Thargor wrote: »
    Im dying to climb it again now, never did it in Winter...

    The emphasis is mine...

    Oh the confidence of inexperience! Climbing is like driving, the more you do it, the more careful you become while boy racers whizz around without a care. But have to concede I was like that too at the start. In my first 10 or so Carrauntoohil climbs I'd have gone without a map or a compass, the clothes would be inappropriate and so on. From now on is precisely the time you find out why one should be careful...


  • #70
    BarryD
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    Thargor wrote: »
    Danger is always exaggerated in this forum, you'd swear there were dead bodies all over Lugnaquilla like on Everest the way people go on, just do it, its a great day out, the drive down there is as dangerous as the climb.

    Like I say above, people have to make their own judgement calls and take responsibility for themselves. Hillwalking is not a very risky activity overall but you can get into tricky situations from time to time. And know how to get out of them.

    What gets up my goat are people who blithely take on walks or climbs beyond their experience, get into a spot of bother, pull out the mobile phone and have others to come and dig them out of the unnecessary situation they've put themselves in. Not that people shouldn't call mountain rescue in an emergency, but self reliance should always be the first instinct.


  • #71
    hmmm
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    Thargor wrote: »
    Danger is always exaggerated in this forum, you'd swear there were dead bodies all over Lugnaquilla like on Everest the way people go on, just do it, its a great day out, the drive down there is as dangerous as the climb.
    People who haven't a clue go up and down Lug and Carrauntoohil every week and have a great time. Is it sensible though? No. If they got into trouble would they be able to get out of it? Usually only by relying on others to help them. Most people on this forum will have had the experience of people coming up to them asking them whether we could lead them down off a mountain - if you are relying on the generosity of others to keep you safe you really shouldn't be there in the first place.

    Getting lost on a mountain isn't like getting lost on a nice canal walk or in the carpark of your local Tesco, you could in certain circumstances end up dead. If someone comes on this forum and asks whether they should climb a mountain which is slightly above their skill level, the answer will almost always be "you'll probably be fine, but I wouldn't advise it until you build up your skills, get a guide or go with a group that knows what they are doing".


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  • #72
    Alun
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    hmmm wrote: »
    Most people on this forum will have had the experience of people coming up to them asking them whether we could lead them down off a mountain - if you are relying on the generosity of others to keep you safe you really shouldn't be there in the first place.
    I've had this experience on Lug many times, and have also had people follow me off even if I'm heading off in a direction that 90+% of the people up there wouldn't normally be going and had to return to the summit with them and show them the correct way.

    I've seen a map the Glen of Imaal MRT have where all their call-outs are marked, and apart from a cluster around Glendalough, the majority of call-outs are on Lug, mostly people who've come off the wrong way and ended up in the firing range potentially amongst unexploded ordnance.


  • #73
    Thargor
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    From 10 months back...



    The emphasis is mine...

    Oh the confidence of inexperience! Climbing is like driving, the more you do it, the more careful you become while boy racers whizz around without a care. But have to concede I was like that too at the start. In my first 10 or so Carrauntoohil climbs I'd have gone without a map or a compass, the clothes would be inappropriate and so on. From now on is precisely the time you find out why one should be careful...
    Well done detective but what is the point in digging up that that post when its practically still summer weather out there and not even Winter for another few weeks? Dont worry about my abilities detective Ive done Mount Snowden in November among many others including all of Wicklow in the snow, Ive missed out on Carantouhill in winter due to lack of free time not terror at its mighty slopes :D

    The hand-wringing you get on this forum about hillwalking in Ireland is hilarious compared to when you actually get out there and meet pensioners and children walking their dogs at the "peaks" if anything in Ireland could even be called that, how many deaths a year do you get on Irish mountains? Zero?


  • #74
    BarryD
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    Thargor wrote: »
    .. how many deaths a year do you get on Irish mountains? Zero?

    Ah, you're skating on thin ice there Thargor :) People certainly do die on the Irish Hills - have you never seen the memorials? Heard the news? As to the exact numbers, I'm sure someone from the MR fraternity will fill in.

    Of course the ratio of deaths and mishaps is very low compared to the numbers who happily tramp the hills. But it does happen.


  • #75
    Alun
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    All you need to do is look at the call-out stats on websites or Facebook pages of some of the MRT's in Ireland to see that many "mishaps" do indeed occur, and if it weren't for the efforts of the many volunteers in these organizations, they very well could have resulted in deaths due to hypothermia or exposure. It might still be "summer" going by the calendar, but temperatures at or around zero aren't uncommon at night time at the moment even at modest elevations.

    See https://www.facebook.com/KerryMountainRescueTeam for example.


  • #76
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    Thargor wrote: »
    Well done detective but what is the point in digging up that that post when its practically still summer weather out there and not even Winter for another few weeks? Dont worry about my abilities detective Ive done Mount Snowden in November among many others including all of Wicklow in the snow, Ive missed out on Carantouhill in winter due to lack of free time not terror at its mighty slopes :D

    The hand-wringing you get on this forum about hillwalking in Ireland is hilarious compared to when you actually get out there and meet pensioners and children walking their dogs at the "peaks" if anything in Ireland could even be called that, how many deaths a year do you get on Irish mountains? Zero?

    Oh I'm not blaming you for your inexperience at all. And I'm glad you have done "Mount Snowden" (I'm assuming you are referring to Snowdon in Wales) in November. I myself have run it in shorts and a teeshirt so I fully agree that it's very straightforward alright.

    But you must know that the advice to be cautious is not simply to avoid death, it's to avoid dragging out the mountain rescue team to people with sprained ankles, broken bones, suffering from hypothermia, suffering from heart conditions, people who are lost and so on. With your experience I trust you know this but simply forgot when you were being smart about terror on the slopes strewn with dead bodies.

    Now you, who have never been in the Reeks in Winter (and are in no position whatsoever to give any advice about them), may be generous with the time that people give to mountain rescue, but those of us with experience greater than yours would still advise caution.

    PS - acc. to Jim Ryan, there are on average 2 deaths a year on the Reeks, up from an average of 1 every 2 years. There were call outs in September 2014 and April 2013 to fatalities, that does not include those who may get a heart attack or a head injury and die in hospital some time later afaik


  • #77
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    Thargor wrote: »
    Lol dont be so snippy and smug because you know Carantouhill, it must have taken you a whole day to acquire such ancient knowledge and skills. We should all chip in and buy you a Ryanair voucher so you can go see a country that actually has mountain climbing instead of the hillwalking we do in Ireland, it might open your eyes and put the terrors of the reeks in perspective.

    2 deaths a year isn't borne out by Google unless they're being covered up by Kerry tourism, got an actual source for that? Even if true that makes it about as dangerous as a day out at a popular beach, nearly the same amount of old grannies and young kids up on Carantouhill as on a beach in my experience aswell :D

    I gave you the source, Jim Ryan. It's in his guide to the Reeks. You want to argue the stats, get on to him. But we can agree that your contention that there are zero deaths is completely wrong anyway, can't we? Do you agree you were wrong now that you've Googled it?

    I am amused at the "snippy and smug" stuff from the poster who thought a reference to some mountain - the name of which he didn't really know - would impress!

    As pretty much every poster has told you since your contribution on the previous page (so even though you say "we", they may not be chipping in with your Ryanair fund suggestion!), it's not about your bravery laughing in the face of death, it's simply consideration for mountain rescue. And all the Lols in the world won't help a poster who has announced he's never even been up the Reeks in winter so can't really comment, but was up Mount Snowysomething once in the cold! Lol indeed!


  • #78
    Thargor
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    Well its zero for 2015, Supermacs and going to mass currently more dangerous! Im really sorry the android keyboard put Snowden instead of Snowdon in that post, it completely invalidates my point, stay away OP, think of the mountain rescue having to go out and errrr... do a mountain rescue! Stay away from large bodies of water aswell, I heard up to 2 people drowned last year, think of the lifeboat crews! Carantouhill is not for the likes of you, only elite climbers like Conor74 in his shorts and tshirt! (Ignore all those pensioners and children you see up there, thats just the oxygen deprivation causing hallucinations). 2 whole deaths a year (except this year and last year) at one of the main attractions in the country, when will the government outlaw this death peak? stay away from the Kerry roads leading to the death peak aswell, with 13 dead last year the drive down will be between 6 and 13 times as lethal.


  • #79
    Alun
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    Thargor wrote: »
    ... think of the mountain rescue having to go out and errrr... do a mountain rescue!
    That's a pretty insulting comment aimed at a dedicated group of people who give up much of their spare time, are constantly on call, all for no payment, and who, yes, actually often risk their own lives to rescue other fellow walkers and climbers.


  • #80
    fits
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    Thargor wrote: »
    Lol dont be so snippy and smug because you know Carantouhill, it must have taken you a whole day to acquire such ancient knowledge and skills.


    I think you need to go for a walk, or just put down the computer for a while.

    I know some people who would be experienced hikers who spent a night up on Carrauntoohil. Just got lost in the mist I think and then it got dark. They phoned mountain rescue and told them they were fine and would come down in the morning. They had the right gear to stay warm enough but I dont think it was a pleasant experience all the same and can happen really easily.


  • #81
    Thargor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Alun wrote: »
    That's a pretty insulting comment aimed at a dedicated group of people who give up much of their spare time, are constantly on call, all for no payment, and who, yes, actually often risk their own lives to rescue other fellow walkers and climbers.
    Exaggerating much? Do please point out the insult, by that logic nobody should go to the beach because the lifeboat crew might have to come out and as the statistics show, the beach is a far far more dangerous place than Irish mountains.


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  • #82
    Alun
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    Thargor wrote: »
    By that logic nobody should go to the beach because the lifeboat crew might have to come out...
    It's everyone's responsibility to prepare themselves as best they can when engaging in any outdoor activity to avoid having to call on such services by making sure they're properly equipped, properly trained and aware of the risks and of their own capabilities. That's just basic common sense.

    If you don't do this and deliberately ignore warning signs or otherwise act foolishly, causing the voluntary emergency services to be called out to rescue you, be it MRT, Lifeboats or whatever, then in my book you shoulder some of the responsibility should anything happen to them in the execution of their duties.

    Of course, genuine accidents also occur, but preparation is key, and I consider it my duty to minimize those risks as much as possible for their sakes as much as mine.


  • #83
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    Thargor wrote: »
    Well its zero for 2015, Supermacs and going to mass currently more dangerous! Im really sorry the android keyboard put Snowden instead of Snowdon in that post, it completely invalidates my point, stay away OP, think of the mountain rescue having to go out and errrr... do a mountain rescue! Stay away from large bodies of water aswell, I heard up to 2 people drowned last year, think of the lifeboat crews! Carantouhill is not for the likes of you, only elite climbers like Conor74 in his shorts and tshirt! (Ignore all those pensioners and children you see up there, thats just the oxygen deprivation causing hallucinations). 2 whole deaths a year (except this year and last year) at one of the main attractions in the country, when will the government outlaw this death peak? stay away from the Kerry roads leading to the death peak aswell, with 13 dead last year the drive down will be between 6 and 13 times as lethal.

    Someone seems to be rather very wound up. Is this you not getting "snippy"?

    As you might say yourself..."Lol"...

    Look, I'm a nice guy. If and when you get around to the Reeks in Winter, I'll let you know all about it and give you all the tips you need.


  • #84
    Thargor
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Someone seems to be rather very wound up. Is this you not getting "snippy"?

    As you might say yourself..."Lol"...

    Look, I'm a nice guy. If and when you get around to the Reeks in Winter, I'll let you know all about it and give you all the tips you need.
    Eh? Ah its the tried and trusted After Hours debating strategy when someone is laughing at you, just claim you've upset them and ignore the rest!

    Sorry if I bothered you by pointing out that there is sweet feck all mountain climbing in this country, just hillwalking, and extremely low risk hillwalking at that. I suppose when you're trying to cultivate a mountain man image by walking up Carantouhill 30 times then dissuading people on a bulletin board from doing the same you probably dont want to hear that.

    Do please let us hear your survival tips for Kerry in late Autumn compared to Spring and Summer for the OP though Mountain Man, wear a jacket in case it gets cold? Mobile phone, water and a snack? Wow you should put that in a book before more people die. Lol :D


  • #85
    CardinalJ
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    Thargor wrote: »
    just hillwalking, and extremely low risk hillwalking at that.

    Falling from 50m on Lug, Mwelrea, Carruntoohill, Brandon or where ever will kill you and wouldn't be difficult if you didn't know where you were going. I've been at the top of any of the higher 'peaks' in Ireland in clear weather maybe 15/20% of the times I've been up there.

    You're correct in what you're saying about there being more potentially dangerous (higher) mountains in the world, but if you look at recreational walks around most of europe they'll be more clearly marked than in Ireland, so safer. So you can be walking around at 3500m in Switzerland with stable weather and be safer than say Brandon/Mweelrea where the Atlantic changes weather changes every 5 minutes and some trails just aren't marked.

    This week has the first days of the autumn winter where the temp was below 0 at night so it's the time of the year where someone will leave work on a 14 degree Friday and decide to climb/walk/whatever up a mountain and end up at the top in 5 degrees in the cold and mist. I don't think it's unreasonable to warn them that this happens more than half the time you'll go up.


  • #86
    hmmm
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    He's only winding you up now ;)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88550886&postcount=4
    there was a good track to follow from a large group of people from the slope to the cairn.....it was a lot further from the trail than I remembered and we were really blind at that stage.


  • #87
    Jovetic
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    So yeah, anyways :rolleyes:

    Think I might give it a lash, weather looks good, will leave early. Up the Devils Ladder, maybe zig zag down (how will I know where the zig zag descent is when I get to the top?) Will it take me back to Cronins yard?

    Anyone got a decent map I could print off


  • #88
    CardinalJ
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    Just don't die for the love of god! I think some people have invested a significant amount of time that you will or won't! Paddy Power are taking bets!


  • #89
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    Thargor wrote: »
    Eh? Ah its the tried and trusted After Hours debating strategy when someone is laughing at you, just claim you've upset them and ignore the rest!

    Sorry if I bothered you by pointing out that there is sweet feck all mountain climbing in this country, just hillwalking, and extremely low risk hillwalking at that. I suppose when you're trying to cultivate a mountain man image by walking up Carantouhill 30 times then dissuading people on a bulletin board from doing the same you probably dont want to hear that.

    Do please let us hear your survival tips for Kerry in late Autumn compared to Spring and Summer for the OP though Mountain Man, wear a jacket in case it gets cold? Mobile phone, water and a snack? Wow you should put that in a book before more people die. Lol :D

    Snowdon, once, in November...good man...


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    hmmm wrote: »
    He's only winding you up now ;)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88550886&postcount=4

    Is that the same poster? About the dangers of Lug and his difficulties at the top while sneering about the Reeks and getting so very wound up?


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    Jovetic
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    What's the safest descent to get back to Cronin's yard?

    Thinking of going up Brother O'Shea's gully now.


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    Jovetic wrote: »
    What's the safest descent to get back to Cronin's yard?

    Thinking of going up Brother O'Shea's gully now.

    The safest ascent and descent is, by a mile, the Zig Zags. It's a long enough walk though, going both up and down that route might be a bit of a slog. Going up O'Sheas Gully is fine, it's certainly the easiest of the 3 gullies, but it's a more difficult descent. Incidentally, you asked how would you find the Zig Zags...you descend to the top of the Devil's Ladder and keep pressing on across Cnoc na Toinne, and keep an eye out for a cairn on the other side a few hundred metres from the summit.


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    Jovetic
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    Where are zig zags in relation to DL/BOSG?


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    Jovetic wrote: »
    Where are zig zags in relation to DL/BOSG?

    Edited my post above to answer one about Zig Zags. They are on the same side as the Devil's Ladder, so going up O'Sheas Gully would enable you see a much different side to the mountain...the approach is completely different albeit the start and end of all 3 routes is the Hag's Glen.


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    Jovetic
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    you descend to the top of the Devil's Ladder and keep pressing on across Cnoc na Toinne, and keep an eye out for a cairn on the other side a few hundred metres from the summit.

    A bit like Vienna, this means nothing to me :confused:

    So am i right in saying go through Hags Glen, straight on for DL or right to BOSG

    Then at the top try and find the zig zag descent? It will surely be busy on Sat so might ask someone at the top where the zig zag descent is. I don't really know where to go looking for it :confused:

    Appreciate the advice Conor


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    hmmm
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    Jovetic wrote: »
    Then at the top try and find the zig zag descent? It will surely be busy on Sat so might ask someone at the top where the zig zag descent is. I don't really know where to go looking for it :confused:
    When you leave the top, head back towards the Devils Ladder. Walk past the start of the Devil's Ladder descent, and after climbing for a bit the ridge curves around to the left. Stick to the left and you'll see the cairn indicating the start of the zigzags. If you find yourself going downhill after passing the start of the DL descent you've gone wrong.

    If the weather is bad or you've no-one to ask you're probably best off going back down the Devils Ladder to be honest.


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    Jovetic wrote: »
    A bit like Vienna, this means nothing to me :confused:

    So am i right in saying go through Hags Glen, straight on for DL or right to BOSG

    Then at the top try and find the zig zag descent? It will surely be busy on Sat so might ask someone at the top where the zig zag descent is. I don't really know where to go looking for it :confused:

    Appreciate the advice Conor

    Head up the Hags Glen. At the point where the river is forded (not the 2 previous bridges, this is a proper ford) head "right" and try to stick with the trail. It's faint at the start but becomes a bit clearer as it winds it's way up towards the hanging valleys - you ascend through 2 of them and come to Cummeenoughter, and at the back of that is the start of O'Sheas Gully. You will approach the summit itself from the North.

    Hmmm has the descent via the Zig Zags spot on. This is south of the summit. And you go past the top of the Devils Ladder. So you have ascended one side and descended the other, whereas using the Devils Ladder and Zig Zags ultimately means approaching and leaving from the same side. So up OSG and down ZZ has benefit of getting you around more of the mountain - useful for return trips.


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    Pat Mustard
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    Thargor wrote: »
    Eh? Ah its the tried and trusted After Hours debating strategy when someone is laughing at you, just claim you've upset them and ignore the rest!

    Sorry if I bothered you by pointing out that there is sweet feck all mountain climbing in this country, just hillwalking, and extremely low risk hillwalking at that. I suppose when you're trying to cultivate a mountain man image by walking up Carantouhill 30 times then dissuading people on a bulletin board from doing the same you probably dont want to hear that.

    Do please let us hear your survival tips for Kerry in late Autumn compared to Spring and Summer for the OP though Mountain Man, wear a jacket in case it gets cold? Mobile phone, water and a snack? Wow you should put that in a book before more people die. Lol :D

    Mod:

    No need for that and no need to personalise the discussion.

    Here is a link to the Kerry Mountain Rescue callouts during the last five years. Quite a few relate to Carrauntoohill. Fatalities aside, the risks are clear from that alone.

    I'd appreciate it if the discussion could remain civil from now on or this thread may have to be closed.


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    BarryD
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    Jovetic wrote: »
    A bit like Vienna, this means nothing to me :confused:

    So am i right in saying go through Hags Glen, straight on for DL or right to BOSG

    Then at the top try and find the zig zag descent? It will surely be busy on Sat so might ask someone at the top where the zig zag descent is. I don't really know where to go looking for it :confused:

    Appreciate the advice Conor

    Jovetic, I've just looked at the current Ordnance Survey Ireland 1:25,000 map of the Reeks - these routes you mention are clearly marked and labeled on it. The map will cost you about €12.50, hardly a fortune - go and buy it and learn how to navigate. If you can't figure out a map then my strong advice is that you go with someone who can and/or someone who knows these routes well. That's how we all learnt to get by in the first place. Have a good one :)


  • #100
    pavb2
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    What other walks are there in Killarney that might be less risky this time of year?


  • #101
    fits
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    pavb2 wrote: »
    What other walks are there in Killarney that might be less risky this time of year?

    Mangerton has a well marked path to the top I believe ( never done it). Old kenmare road is nice too.


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