Shelbourne Hotel remove historic statues due to association with slavery - *Read OP**

Edgware · 08-08-2020 4:50pm

Is she Saoirse McHugh or some other tree hugger in disguise?

Rodney Bathgate · 08-08-2020 4:59pm

Edgware wrote: »

Is she Saoirse McHugh or some other tree hugger in disguise?

At least Saoirse McHugh put her self forward for election.

No doubt this lady would blame racism if she didn’t get elected.

ShamNNspace · 08-08-2020 5:07pm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

At least Saoirse McHugh put her self forward for election.

No doubt this lady would blame racism if she didn’t get elected.

Theres a seat in the senate waiting for her down the line mark my words perhaps a Taoiseachs nominee (yes they would be that stupid)

Rodney Bathgate · 08-08-2020 5:14pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Theres a seat in the senate waiting for her down the line mark my words perhaps a Taoiseachs nominee (yes they would be that stupid)

I’ll be moving to Abuja the day that happens.

ShamNNspace · 08-08-2020 11:18pm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

I’ll be moving to Abuja the day that happens.

Heres a nice one to start your search

Rodney Bathgate · 08-08-2020 11:33pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Heres a nice one to start your search

I might even claim asylum. Hopefully they put me up in a fancy house like that.

mikemac2 · 09-08-2020 10:12am

Dr Joseph should pay a visit to Baltimore and learn about the Barbary pirates. And some of them from Algeria

imme · 15-08-2020 12:58pm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

I might even claim asylum. Hopefully they put me up in a fancy house like that.

I think you would get a

"because you are white"

response from the authorities to your application.

screamer · 15-08-2020 1:04pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Theres a seat in the senate waiting for her down the line mark my words perhaps a Taoiseachs nominee (yes they would be that stupid)

But who would she be representative of? If all African immigrants in Ireland have the same vitriol for white Irish people, then we’ll all need to seek asylum somewhere else soon. I think and hope she is not representative of anyone except herself.

ShamNNspace · 15-08-2020 1:24pm

screamer wrote: »

But who would she be representative of? If all African immigrants in Ireland have the same vitriol for white Irish people, then we’ll all need to seek asylum somewhere else soon. I think and hope she is not representative of anyone except herself.

Mark my words fwik most Africans I've met wouldn't see her as representative at all and would regard her as a bit of a s**t stirrer but for some reason her views are held in high regard by some organisations of the we-know-whats-best-for-you variety here causing a lot of sad head shaking in quite a lot of the immigrant population here who just want to get on with their lives as best they can like the rest of us. Empty vessels make most noise and all that and its not allways the cream that rises to the top there are many exceptions

Yellow_Fern · 20-08-2020 5:19pm

I was at mass and I admired the church's stature of St. Martin de Porres, a black man. It got me thinking that it is one of the only Irish examples of specific Africans. You also have Black Johnny associated with Edmund Rice too. Luckly these are not found as outdoor statues that could be targeted.

1990sman · 23-08-2020 7:29pm

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

I was at mass and I admired the church's stature of St. Martin de Porres, a black man. It got me thinking that it is one of the only Irish examples of specific Africans. You also have Black Johnny associated with Edmund Rice too. Luckly these are not found as outdoor statues that could be targeted.

alot of African contribution to sainthood,

from wiki
Augustine of Hippo, also known as Saint Augustine, was a theologian, philosopher, and the bishop of Hippo Regius in Numidia, Roman North Africa. His writings influenced the development of Western philosophy and Western Christianity, and he is viewed as one of the most important Church Fathers of the Latin Church in the Patristic Period.

1990sman · 23-08-2020 7:30pm

also a big fan of his line "lord make me chaste...but not today"

suicide_circus · 23-08-2020 9:53pm

1990sman wrote: »

alot of African contribution to sainthood,

from wiki
Augustine of Hippo, also known as Saint Augustine, was a theologian, philosopher, and the bishop of Hippo Regius in Numidia, Roman North Africa. His writings influenced the development of Western philosophy and Western Christianity, and he is viewed as one of the most important Church Fathers of the Latin Church in the Patristic Period.

He was a Berber from whats now Algeria, so more Zinedine Zidane than Didier Drogba.

conorhal · 17-09-2020 2:15pm

So.. The Shelbourne's 30 days to respond with a defence of a complaint of breaching planning laws passed about 3 weeks ago.
Has there been any further word on what is happening or has happened regards the statues?

All I see is a claim that statues that have stood there for a century are now too valuable to put back on display?
Since the replicas that used to reside in the bar have alread been sold, I have a strong suspicion that the real motivator behind the sudden decision to remove the statues probably has something to do with their value as much as the controversy, 300 grand is a pretty penny for a business that's got to be mostly shut down these days...

"If they ever go back on their plinths, they'll need a 24-hour guard," says fine arts expert Ian Whyte. "They would be vulnerable to both theft and vandalism." Whyte is one of the city's most respected art valuation experts and a long serving fine arts auctioneer. He has estimated the current sale value of the four at between €200,000 and €300,000."

Also, a pox on that abnoxious busybody Niall O'Dowd for starting this whole thing with his interfering. That 'Voice of Irish America' should shut his trap in future.

CrankyHaus · 17-09-2020 2:22pm

Send Senator McDowell an email, as this seems like an issue he'll take on. Curious to find out myself

Varik · 17-09-2020 4:24pm

They got themselves another 4 weeks after the last deadline.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/shelbourne-hotel-granted-extra-time-to-investigate-statue-removal-1.4341134

fly_agaric · 17-09-2020 4:37pm

Has it appeared in the media where the statues are now?
Are they gracing the back garden of some US 1%er board member's mansion? :pac:

Sir Oxman · 17-09-2020 6:00pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Heres a nice one to start your search

240k euro!

Piehead · 24-09-2020 7:17am

Woke-ism defeated. Statues of the tarts being replaced.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/shelbourne-hotel-statues-to-be-restored-to-their-plinths-1.4362766?mode=amp

Kivaro · 24-09-2020 7:45am

Baton down the hatches people, the statues are coming back.
It was funny listening to Morning Ireland on RTE earlier this morning that even after an art historian stated on the show that there was conclusive proof that the statues depicted Egyptian princesses or aristocrats, the RTE commentator asked questions like "could they still be seen as insensitive?". And his final question was should they not have been removed anyway because others might have seen the statues as slaves i.e. their perception of the statues as slaves even though the reality was the opposite.

Ebun Joseph is going to have a conniption; apparently it is people like her who now dictate what art that Irish people can have in our lives. Expect RTE to interview her for her views (perception) very soon.

ExMachina1000 · 24-09-2020 7:48am

Kivaro wrote: »

Ebun Joseph is going to have a conniption, as apparently it is people like her who now dictate what art that Irish people can have in our lives. Expect RTE to interview for her views (perception) very soon.

That lady had a full page in yesterday's indo.

Wibbs · 24-09-2020 8:42am

Kivaro wrote: »

And his final question was should they not have been removed anyway because others might have seen the statues as slaves i.e. their perception of the statues as slaves even though the reality was the opposite.

Welcome to a too large corner of current western culture, where feelings trump facts. Well, facts are inconvenient.

Ebun Joseph is going to have a conniption;

Joseph will be beyond ecstatic about this. She craves the attention and the need to peddle her invented wares and keep her position as Outraged Black Woman Calling Out Racist Ireland. It's what pays the bills, it's what got her an education and niche and she'll exploit it to the maximum. Well after fleeing that despotic failed nation that is the UK looking for asylum here...

Beechwoodspark · 24-09-2020 9:50am

Piehead wrote: »

Woke-ism defeated. Statues of the tarts being replaced.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/shelbourne-hotel-statues-to-be-restored-to-their-plinths-1.4362766?mode=amp

Ah great news.

Should never have been removed in the first place of course.

Ebun J should issue a complete apology and stand down from her role in UCD

MFPM · 24-09-2020 9:57am

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

That lady had a full page in yesterday's indo.

She did indeed and a good thoughtful piece it was too.

Gervais08 · 24-09-2020 10:30am

MFPM wrote: »

She did indeed and a good thoughtful piece it was too.

I made the mistake of reading that. She is bad crap nuts.

MFPM · 24-09-2020 10:50am

Gervais08 wrote: »

I made the mistake of reading that. She is bad crap nuts.

What was your issue with it that necessitates your abusive description of the woman? Do you also believe the many people who have discussed the same issue in recent days are also 'bad crap nuts'?

Patrick2010 · 24-09-2020 11:50am

MFPM wrote: »

What was your issue with it that necessitates your abusive description of the woman? Do you also believe the many people who have discussed the same issue in recent days are also 'bad crap nuts'?

My issue with the article was her criticism of 2 great books while admitting she hadn’t read either.

DeadHand · 24-09-2020 12:00pm

Patrick2010 wrote: »

My issue with the article was her criticism of 2 great books while admitting she hadn’t read either.

Given the quality of her expression and the depth of her knowledge I doubt she has read many books at all.

Yellow_Fern · 24-09-2020 12:03pm

MFPM wrote: »

She did indeed and a good thoughtful piece it was too.

When I went through the school system I studied 'Roll of thunder hear my cry'. That is a book set in a similar era of 'to kill to mockingbird' but it is a black led book so she can't claim the course only covers this issues from a white American perspective. I don't see why either is required however and if anything she should be generous to the Irish system which is engaging in African American literature which she seems to value so highly. I think it is fundamentally dangerous to attack literature this way and it will have consequences, why would a white writer bother engaging in this issue if they are at risk of being attacked.

Donald Trump · 24-09-2020 12:13pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Joseph will be beyond ecstatic about this. She craves the attention and the need to peddle her invented wares and keep her position as Outraged Black Woman Calling Out Racist Ireland. It's what pays the bills, it's what got her an education and niche and she'll exploit it to the maximum. Well after fleeing that despotic failed nation that is the UK looking for asylum here...

I'll have to pull you up on that. I don't think that that is true at all.

Some would posit that it was submitting dodgy asylum applications for long enough until an anchor baby was pushed out, followed by taking full advantage of every available system and opportunity that got her the education.
The race-baiting was only to stay on the gravy train afterwards.

keano_afc · 24-09-2020 12:14pm

I really cant wait to hear what Dr. Ribena has to say on this.

enda1 · 24-09-2020 12:48pm

keano_afc wrote: »

I really cant wait to hear what Dr. Ribena has to say on this.

Hopefully she doesn't water-down her remarks!

Yellow_Fern · 24-09-2020 3:10pm

I wonder if it will be claimed that University College Dublin art historian Professor Paula Murphy can't be trusted or doesn't have the right skin colour to interpret the meaning of the statues. I really feel story for academics swept into this sorry mess.

Tony EH · 24-09-2020 3:27pm

Patrick2010 wrote: »

My issue with the article was her criticism of 2 great books while admitting she hadn’t read either.

Never fails to be astounding when people criticise or find fault in something they've never even seen or read.

It's remarkable for all the wrong reasons.

Tony EH · 24-09-2020 3:29pm

keano_afc wrote: »

I really cant wait to hear what Dr. Ribena has to say on this.

If it's as incoherent as her remarks about the Shelbourne Statues, it won't be worth the wait.

1800_Ladladlad · 24-09-2020 4:41pm

Ah now which of yous did this.

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Omackeral · 24-09-2020 4:48pm

Heard this being discussed on the radio at 4pm and Ebun Joseph was giving it loads. Then they went to a “randomer” on the street who was speaking about cultural appropriation and stuff like that and of course it was some D4 sounding one.

Wibbs · 24-09-2020 5:28pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Ebun J should issue a complete apology and stand down from her role in UCD

And on that day where her embarrassing level of BS finally penetrates her brain this will happen:

And satan will ski to work in the mornings.

Wibbs · 24-09-2020 5:35pm

MFPM wrote: »

What was your issue with it that necessitates your abusive description of the woman?

This:

Patrick2010 wrote: »

My issue with the article was her criticism of 2 great books while admitting she hadn’t read either.

She's a divisive mouthpiece and happy to display it with a neck like a jockey's bollocks with no sense of self awareness or embarrassment. And worse the media are all too happy to shove a microphone, camera or editorial in front of her.

And the fact she's comes across as a chancer of the highest order whose academic(and I use the term cautiously) career and livelihood is predicated on shouting racism wherever she finds it, or makes it up when she doesn't. This case a perfect one. Anything she bleats on about has to be viewed through that prism and viewed with the gimlet eye it richly deserves.

Acosta · 24-09-2020 5:38pm

Wibbs wrote: »

This:

She's a divisive mouthpiece and happy to display it with a neck like a jockey's bollocks with no sense of self awareness or embarrassment. And worse the media are all too happy to shove a microphone, camera or editorial in front of her.

And the fact she's comes across as a chancer of the highest order whose academic(and I use the term cautiously) career and livelihood is predicated on shouting racism wherever she finds it, or makes it up when she doesn't. This case a perfect one. Anything she bleats on about has to be viewed through that prism and viewed with the gimlet eye it richly deserves.

In fairness she gets plenty of it online from those nasty NP scumbags.

Itssoeasy · 24-09-2020 5:45pm

Kivaro wrote: »

Baton down the hatches people, the statues are coming back.
It was funny listening to Morning Ireland on RTE earlier this morning that even after an art historian stated on the show that there was conclusive proof that the statues depicted Egyptian princesses or aristocrats, the RTE commentator asked questions like "could they still be seen as insensitive?". And his final question was should they not have been removed anyway because others might have seen the statues as slaves i.e. their perception of the statues as slaves even though the reality was the opposite.

Ebun Joseph is going to have a conniption; apparently it is people like her who now dictate what art that Irish people can have in our lives. Expect RTE to interview her for her views (perception) very soon.

Well that’s on the person looking at the statue.

TomTomTim · 24-09-2020 5:46pm

Acosta wrote: »

In fairness she gets plenty of it online from those nasty NP scumbags.

I've seen her being unmercifully mocked on several sites, and one of those sites would be considered "far right" by posters like you. Yet I've never seen one person make it about her race; it's always about her substance, or the lack of it in her case.

Omackeral · 24-09-2020 5:54pm

Acosta wrote: »

In fairness she gets plenty of it online from those nasty NP scumbags.

Scumbags on all sides of these issues. Racists are vile. Hate them. Funnily enough I think she’s got plenty of racist tendencies herself.

TheBlackPill · 24-09-2020 6:10pm

I don't think the statues will last long. Some gowls that support Ebun Joseph's nonsense will take a hacksaw to them

Yellow_Fern · 24-09-2020 7:16pm

TheBlackPill wrote: »

I don't think the statues will last long. Some gowls that support Ebun Joseph's nonsense will take a hacksaw to them

Doesn't the hotel still have doormen? That should discourage them. Sawing bronze with a hacksaw is hard work. It is not something you could do in ten minutes.

suicide_circus · 24-09-2020 7:24pm

It's a small win

but it's still a win.

DelaneyIn · 24-09-2020 7:35pm

Newstalk had Ebun Joseph on this morning to talk about the statues being reinstalled at The Shelbourne Hotel. Have a listen, it didn't go very well for her. Seriously slandered Dublin City Council.

She's actually making a joke of academia in Ireland.

https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-newstalk-breakfast/shelbourne-hotel-statues-sre-due-come-back?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web

Dempo1 · 24-09-2020 7:37pm

If anyone doubts the true intentions behind their initial removal, they are confused. This was all about the money, what they are worth and how to flog them quickly, simple.

The real mistake was the GOB€HITES weren't quick enough putting something in their place. Living two stands empty, kinda brought attention to the removal. With all that's going on, I truely doubt any would have noticed, albeit mickey mouse and Minnie might be a little too obvious

ChikiChiki · 24-09-2020 7:47pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

If anyone doubts the true intentions behind their initial removal, they are confused. This was all about the money, what they are worth and how to flog them quickly, simple.

The real mistake was the GOB€HITES weren't quick enough putting something in their place. Living two stands empty, kinda brought attention to the removal. With all that's going on, I truely doubt any would have noticed, albeit mickey mouse and Minnie might be a little too obvious

Why the **** would an American investment fund give a fook about selling a couple of statues. The reason was they got spooked by the BLM stuff.

Your logic is way off.

Shelbourne Hotel remove historic statues due to association with slavery - *Read OP**

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