Six TD's and senators forced to refund illegitimate expense claims

rafatoni · 10-10-2019 6:28pm

Jesus Bailey is vermin, sure leo is looking after the people that get up in the morning.. Just the ones that get up to claim back hairdressers and coffees no doubt.

Plumbthedepths · 10-10-2019 6:46pm

Got to love the Indo's introduction to MB 'Swing gate TD Maria Bailey' in their article about the fraudulent claims by Maria her Dail and Seanad colleagues.

Doc07 · 10-10-2019 6:53pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

It seems that the refunded amounts only seem to be a small percentage of the overall spend (2.6%) and were based on accounting inaccuracies (claiming outside the period).

Anyway - good that we have a bit of transparency in the system and that mistakes like this are rectified.

Also the poster who suggested a system where you justify the spend first, then are given the money is totally impractical. It would cost far more to administer a system like that.

I’m going to give the benefit of doubt that you are genuine for a moment.
A ‘Pay now and reclaim back later ‘ system is used in lots of public service and semi state for expenses and works perfectly fine.
I worked for universities and other public sector, I paid and then could claim for certain things. If I didn’t have receipts or correct paperwork, guess what ,no expenses. Problems with inappropriate or exaggerated claims dry up very quickly with a pay first and claim back later system. And it doesn’t cost a penny or a minute more.

kenmc · 10-10-2019 6:56pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Also the poster who suggested a system where you justify the spend first, then are given the money is totally impractical. It would cost far more to administer a system like that.

Except that's how it works in the real world, in any company I've worked in, including one of the biggest in the world. Either you get a quote, file a p.o.request form, get it signed by someone higher with authorization and submit the po, or claim it back on expenses. With a receipt.and authorization.

ChikiChiki · 10-10-2019 7:10pm

Maria Bailey and Alan Farrell again. Why the **** did that other thread get shut down. The mod excuse was the weakest I have ever seen.

Credibility of the site has dropped a lot.

McMurphy · 10-10-2019 7:17pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Maria Bailey and Alan Farrell again. Why the **** did that other thread get shut down. The mod excuse was the weakest I have ever seen.

Credibility of the site has dropped a lot.

The tail wagging the dog.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 10-10-2019 7:51pm

Try not to spend your time b1tching and moaning and whinging and this one might stay open lads.

Plumbthedepths · 10-10-2019 7:57pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Try not to spend your time b1tching and moaning and whinging and this one might stay open lads.

It will stay open if you and your buddies refrain from dragging it repeatedly off topic and making ad hominem attacks on other commentators instead of responding to the actual comments.
Play fair, play nice wise words to live by.

Atlantic Dawn · 10-10-2019 7:59pm

That's over 25% non compliance from the 22 selected, the entire lot of them need to be audited, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Fann Linn · 10-10-2019 8:20pm

And Leo only goes after SW fraudsters.
Hypocrite of the highest order.

JeffKenna · 10-10-2019 8:40pm

This is just depressing. How Farrell and Bailey are in the party I don't know. It must be very disappointing for the honest party folk like PintmanPaddy seeing this happen.

Varik · 10-10-2019 8:41pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

And Leo only goes after SW fraudsters.
Hypocrite of the highest order.

He's a hypocrite but just not about that, he didn't do ****e to SW fraudsters in the end and he'll do the same against his own crowd now.

banie01 · 10-10-2019 8:42pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

That's over 25% non compliance from the 22 selected, the entire lot of them need to be audited, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

45% non compliance by the FG members

McMurphy · 10-10-2019 9:14pm

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Try not to spend your time b1tching and moaning and whinging and this one might stay open lads.

Remember what I said in the feedback thread losty?

Here, I'll just quote the last sentence, and you can tell me I was correct.

Just because the thread is shut definitely doesn't mean the subject of discussion is.

Snow Garden · 10-10-2019 9:18pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Seeing as the claims didn't pan out they needed free money from somewhere

Bailey and Farrell A.K.A. Swings and roundabouts.

Unbelievable news. The absolute chancers. Have they no shame? What will Leo say now?

I wonder when the FG contingent will try and get this thread shut down

Roll on General Election 2020!

kevthegaff · 10-10-2019 9:23pm

The question is did some of her expenses relate to her swing claim in terms of transport or phone calls, that really would be a double whammy

mikemac2 · 10-10-2019 9:27pm

Farrell and Bailey at the top

Nobody would be shocked by this

sabat · 10-10-2019 9:42pm

I'd love to know what Lynn "influenced by Tupac Shakur" Ruane spent a grand on that she thought the public should pay for-it didn't take long for her to get her snout in the trough.

Portsalon · 10-10-2019 9:57pm

sabat wrote: »

I'd love to know what Lynn "influenced by Tupac Shakur" Ruane spent a grand on that she thought the public should pay for-it didn't take long for her to get her snout in the trough.

Elected to the Seanad by Trinity Graduates - what more can you expect from such a rotten borough?

Portsalon · 10-10-2019 9:58pm

The only one that surprises me in that list of minor vermin is Jerry Buttimer - and in fairness, his disallowed claim is pretty small.

Scoundrel · 10-10-2019 10:00pm

Good old dodgy Alan Farrell his brass neck is holding up well along with slips and trips Bailey unreal

angel eyes 2012 · 10-10-2019 10:07pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

And Leo only goes after SW fraudsters.
Hypocrite of the highest order.

Fraud is fraud, it doesn't matter if it is social welfare, medical card fraud, third level grants, Revenue, Travel Expenses - it's all paid from the public purse and none of it should be tolerated.

However, I hope this is the end of Ms. Bailey and Mr. Farrell's political careers. If Leo doesn't get rid of them I sincerely hope their constituents do not return them to the Dail in the next election. I'll be fuming when FG call to the door.

Atlantic Dawn · 10-10-2019 10:09pm

Would it be ok when another TD is referring to either of them to use the term Crooked before their name as it has been proven they broke rules?

McMurphy · 10-10-2019 10:12pm

She's trending on Twitter again I see.

touts · 10-10-2019 10:15pm

angel eyes 2012 wrote: »

However, I hope this is the end of Ms. Bailey and Mr. Farrell's political careers. If Leo doesn't get rid of them I sincerely hope their constituents do not return them to the Dail in the next election. I'll be fuming when FG call to the door.

Doubt it. Bailey may not be popular but she embodies 2020 Fine Gael. Rich privileged entitled and utterly disconnected from common folk. Half her social set (Kate O'Connell, Mary Newman-Julian and such) are all running for the Dail and look like they will be elected even though they are utterly devoid of empathy with the common person. It's like an extract from a Ross O'Carroll Kelly book.

pablo128 · 10-10-2019 10:52pm

touts wrote: »

Doubt it. Bailey may not be popular but she embodies 2020 Fine Gael. Rich privileged entitled and utterly disconnected from common folk. Half her social set (Kate O'Connell, Mary Newman-Julian and such) are all running for the Dail and look like they will be elected even though they are utterly devoid of empathy with the common person. It's like an extract from a Ross O'Carroll Kelly book.

I couldn't agree more.

endacl · 10-10-2019 11:17pm

pablo128 wrote: »

Ah it just gets better and better. We have glorified fraudsters running the country unhindered.

In fairness, while I broadly agree with the sentiment of your post, surely a successful audit would constitute somewhat of a hindrance to the fraud...?

Be right back · 10-10-2019 11:20pm

I wonder what they claimed the expenses for?

Sheep breeder · 10-10-2019 11:48pm

Doc07 wrote: »

I’m going to give the benefit of doubt that you are genuine for a moment.
A ‘Pay now and reclaim back later ‘ system is used in lots of public service and semi state for expenses and works perfectly fine.
I worked for universities and other public sector, I paid and then could claim for certain things. If I didn’t have receipts or correct paperwork, guess what ,no expenses. Problems with inappropriate or exaggerated claims dry up very quickly with a pay first and claim back later system. And it doesn’t cost a penny or a minute more.

All civil servants work on this system of claiming by the month for travel etc on a online system and has to checked and signed off by line management.
Leo veruka will probably promote Maria now to get her re-elected and tell her well done for keeping the blue shirts in the spotlight and off himself.

pablo128 · 10-10-2019 11:49pm

endacl wrote: »

In fairness, while I broadly agree with the sentiment of your post, surely a successful audit would constitute somewhat of a hindrance to the fraud...?

By unhindered, I mean there are no real consequences for their actions. Other than giving back money that wasn't theirs in the first place.

Six TD's and senators forced to refund illegitimate expense claims

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