Eoghan McDermott wants Fairytale of New York Censored - Mod warning post 1

Ursus Horribilis · 06-12-2018 10:52pm

It's also downright patronising. We're all adults and we know what the context of the song is. McDermott is probably too simple minded and woke to figure that out for himself.

06-12-2018 10:52pm

dulux99 wrote: »

Just give over lad. People love the long. Let's just leave it as it is. I've never used the word in question as a derogatory term towards a gay person, I'm sure it's not nice when it happens to them. I've got a gay sister. I know how cutting it can be. But it's all about context. In this context its not hate filled nor was it used to even describe a gay person. It's just people looking for outrage whereever they can find it.

context is never considered by the perma-outraged brigade

Ardent · 06-12-2018 10:52pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Would removing/muting one swearword ruin the... "most revered Christmas song of all time"? The argument that it's just a word cuts both ways. Words are cut from songs all the time and people tend not to get their underwear in a knot over it. Unless that word is their favourite part of the song. You know, the part that they get a kick out of singing loudest at the Christmas party.

Why stop at songs? Lets ban every Tarantino movie ever made. Or better still, why don't we revisit every book ever written and redact every word or phrase we don't like? **** it, let's go back to burning books.

NIMAN · 06-12-2018 10:53pm

For Forks Sake wrote: »

She has an overblown DORT accent that could shatter glass to go along with it.

And she's a good mate and regular contributor to Matt Coopers show
...
.. And the reason why The Last Word has gone to pot.

For Forks Sake · 06-12-2018 10:56pm

NIMAN wrote: »

And she's a good mate and regular contributor to Matt Coopers show
...
.. And the reason why The Last Word has gone to pot.

One of many reasons...

forgodssake · 06-12-2018 11:01pm

Never heard of him before today . What a gowl bag . That song is legendary all over the world . Fcuk off and leave it alone . The world is gone fcuking mad .

mfceiling · 06-12-2018 11:10pm

"Offence is never given, it's taken... If you are offended by something, walk away. I'm offended by things all the time but I haven't got the right not to be offended, and remember this: just because someone is offended it doesn't mean they're right. "- Ricky Gervais

Mad_maxx · 06-12-2018 11:16pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Sounds insufferable.

Let's just say If you were looking for directions to the dining room in a hotel and happened upon her, she would manage to fit in the word "trans" while directing you to the nearby breakfast room

Trans this - trans that.

Dreadful bore

Atlantic Dawn · 06-12-2018 11:19pm

Can someone post up all songs he played today on his show?

Barna77 · 06-12-2018 11:29pm

NIMAN wrote: »

He's getting offended on behalf of other people.

That happens a lot these days.

It doesn't offend me

Yer Da sells Avon · 06-12-2018 11:30pm

dulux99 wrote: »

Just give over lad. People love the long. Let's just leave it as it is. I've never used the word in question as a derogatory term towards a gay person, I'm sure it's not nice when it happens to them. I've got a gay sister. I know how cutting it can be. But it's all about context. In this context its not hate filled nor was it used to even describe a gay person. It's just people looking for outrage whereever they can find it.

I wonder if people on here are also looking for outrage wherever they can find it. The song's not being banned - it's not even being censored. Which is more than can be said for other songs that contain swearing. One guy expressed a perfectly valid opinion, that's all.

Ardent wrote:

Why stop at songs? Lets ban every Tarantino movie ever made. Or better still, why don't we revisit every book ever written and redact every word or phrase we don't like? **** it, let's go back to burning books.

"**** it" indeed. Let's put Pulp Fiction on at 2pm on a motherfucking Sunday afternoon.

ligerdub · 06-12-2018 11:39pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Would removing/muting one swearword ruin the... "most revered Christmas song of all time"? The argument that it's just a word cuts both ways. Words are cut from songs all the time and people tend not to get their underwear in a knot over it. Unless that word is their favourite part of the song. You know, the part that they get a kick out of singing loudest at the Christmas party.

Bollox! Spoken like somebody with zero appreciation of the nuance of art, can't say I'm too surprised though.

When you start dabbling with art forms, even at a very basic level, it quickly (possibly immediately) stops becoming artistic. It becomes compromised, a vision, grubby and "vulgar" as it may be, is more perfect than committee when it comes to stuff like this. People like you and McDermott getting their grubby hands on somebody else's work can stay well away as far as I'm concerned. Don't just stop at specific words, maybe the whole message it wrong, bin it. Oh I forgot, that's happening already.

Maybe (to take inspiration from an episode of the Simpsons) you think Michaelangelo's David should cover up, that tadger is pornographic.
If you don't like it, then don't support it. Don't change the f*****g art! Sick of these book burning, fun police and the self-elected moral judges on everything.

limnam · 06-12-2018 11:39pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Let's put Pulp Fiction on at 2pm on a motherfucking Sunday afternoon.

First sensible thing you've said all thread.

Yer Da sells Avon · 06-12-2018 11:47pm

ligerdub wrote: »

Bollox! Spoken like somebody with zero appreciation of the nuance of art, can't say I'm too surprised though.

When you start dabbling with art forms, even at a very basic level, it quickly (possibly immediately) stops becoming artistic. It becomes compromised, a vision, grubby and "vulgar" as it may be, is more perfect than committee when it comes to stuff like this. People like you and McDermott getting their grubby hands on somebody else's work can stay well away as far as I'm concerned. Don't just stop at specific words, maybe the whole message it wrong, bin it. Oh I forgot, that's happening already.

Maybe (to take inspiration from an episode of the Simpsons) you think Michaelangelo's David should cover up, that tadger is pornographic.
If you don't like it, then don't support it. Don't change the f*****g art! Sick of these book burning, fun police and the self-elected moral judges on everything.

You're so very special.

limnam · 06-12-2018 11:48pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

You're so very special.

Spoken like a true child put in their place.

mistersifter · 06-12-2018 11:51pm

I honestly struggle to think of anyone I dislike more than that fella McDermott.

The thought that there are people out there who actually enjoy listening to him is astounding. Him and his opinions are beyond irrelevant.

Whoever is offended by Fairytale of New York needs to get a life.

sligojoek · 06-12-2018 11:55pm

Here's a thing for ye.
Philip Chevron, The Pogues guitarist was one of Ireland's first openly gay men and was a tireless campaigner for gay rights. He played on the record and played on the song live countless times. Funny how he had no problem with it.

It's an imagined conversation between two people FFS

Yer Da sells Avon · 07-12-2018 12:05am

limnam wrote: »

Spoken like a true child put in their place.

For the benefit of anyone who lacks ligerdub's appreciation of the nuance of art, that was a line from another great song that was actually censored for the purpose of radio airplay (Creep by Radiohead), without heralding the death of civilisation as we know it.

Mr.H · 07-12-2018 12:07am

Pelvis wrote:

I've no issue with censoring that particular word from the song when played on the radio/tv before the watershed.

No such thing as a watershed here

Suckit · 07-12-2018 12:07am

NIMAN wrote: »

It's OK to find something offensive.

It'll not hurt you.

Get on with your life.

In England if you have your right ear pierced, it means you're gay.
In Australia, it's when you have your c*ck in another mans arse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceS_jkKjIgo

Mr.H · 07-12-2018 12:11am

Am i the only one who found it funny that he said "f**got is their N word". I mean he had the balls to say the f word but not the n word. Therefore the f word cant be as offensive as the n words......

Of course he is a numpty so maybe thats the n word he meant

Declan A Walsh · 07-12-2018 12:14am

I have no intention of getting into the argument about this song.

I just want to talk about two different related things.

1. A surprising number of contributors said that they had never heard of 2FM presenter Eoghan McDermott before. He is a former presenter of Spin103 and London's XFM. Eoghan is a former presenter of RTE2'S Republic of Telly. In fact, he has turned up on RTE on a number of occasions, including at least one new year countdown programme. It's also surprising because there have been a number of threads about him, and other posts referring to him, on Boards. If you do a search, you will find him.

2. I can't remember the last time that a presenter gave out about a song on the radio because it had a swearword (you know - the "traditional" ones), and there are quite a few songs these days that would have. Some years ago on the now defunct Radiowaves forum, I lamented the fact that such songs were creeping into daytime radio without any comment at all.

Whiplash85 · 07-12-2018 12:14am

What we need is a good war to weed out these weak minded individuals.

limnam · 07-12-2018 12:18am

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

For the benefit of anyone who lacks ligerdub's appreciation of the nuance of art, that was a line from another great song that was actually censored for the purpose of radio airplay (Creep by Radiohead), without heralding the death of civilisation as we know it.

Considering they think people who like the song to be anally retarded.

Probably didn't have much of an impact

patrickc · 07-12-2018 12:21am

tosspot

backspin. · 07-12-2018 12:24am

Can you imagine the uproar if a major band released this in 2018.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nubz3mUdZsc

VeryTerry · 07-12-2018 12:25am

Declan A Walsh wrote: »

I have no intention of getting into the argument about this song.

I just want to talk about two different related things.

1. A surprising number of contributors said that they had never heard of 2FM presenter Eoghan McDermott before. He is a former presenter of Spin103 and London's XFM. Eoghan is a former presenter of RTE2'S Republic of Telly. In fact, he has turned up on RTE on a number of occasions, including at least one new year countdown programme. It's also surprising because there have been a number of threads about him, and other posts referring to him, on Boards. If you do a search, you will find him.

I would never consider turning on Spin under any circumstances. It's tabloid radio. I also haven't listened to 2fm since the turn of the century. I've only seen the Rubberbandits clips from Republic of Telly. I've never heard of this lad until today.

Itssoeasy · 07-12-2018 12:25am

Can McDermott either not play the song on his show or play a censored version ? I mean if he has an issue with the song then as I said either dont play it or censor it and leave the presenters who want to play it as is play it.

And for listeners who don't want to listen then turn the radio off. Jesus Christ, have we lost the ability to decide what we can't and can listen to now ?

Cockford Ollie · 07-12-2018 12:27am

What's wrong with the word ******?

fagot works

Itssoeasy · 07-12-2018 12:27am

backspin. wrote: »

Can you imagine the uproar if a major band released this in 2018.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nubz3mUdZsc

They removed it form a special re release this year. I have the original album so if I want to listen to it I'll listen.

Mad_maxx · 07-12-2018 12:37am

mistersifter wrote: »

I honestly struggle to think of anyone I dislike more than that fella McDermott.

The thought that there are people out there who actually enjoy listening to him is astounding. Him and his opinions are beyond irrelevant.

Whoever is offended by Fairytale of New York needs to get a life.

Guy called James dempsey was on with Moncrief today, at one point he used the following words in the same sentence

Woke cis hetronormative.

Made eoghan mc dermot sound like Clint Eastwood.

Ps, on the Moncrief thread, I enquired as to who he was, later found out.

Itssoeasy · 07-12-2018 12:39am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Guy called James dempsey was on with Moncrief today, at one point he used the following words in the same sentence

Woke cis hetronormative.

Made eoghan mc dermot sound like Clint Eastwood.

Ps, on the Moncrief thread, I enquired as to who he was, later found out.

As my grandfather would say, what's that when its at home ?

backspin. · 07-12-2018 12:39am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Woke cis hetronormative.

Anyone who would use that in a sentence and not be joking should probably be flung down the well.

sligojoek · 07-12-2018 12:44am

sligojoek wrote: »

Here's a thing for ye. Philip Chevron, The Pogues guitarist was one of Ireland's first openly gay men and was a tireless campaigner for gay rights. He played on the record and played on the song live countless times. Funny how he had no problem with it.

It's an imagined conversation between two people FFS

Virgin TV just read a statement from Shane. It's a long winded but well worded version of the bolded.

dominatinMC · 07-12-2018 12:45am

I, for one, am absolutely loving the backlash Eoghan is receiving. I bet he didn't foresee this outcome when he decided to get on his soapbox and pontificate on behalf of all the downtrodden homosexuals in this country. Even most of the gay men on Twitter, from what I can see, are disagreeing with him. It's unusual to see posters on Twitter so unanimous in their views, I'd consider that a sign that his little publicity stunt has failed spectacularly.

Rossi IRL · 07-12-2018 12:51am

Does his show take requests and how do we go about requesting this song the next time he is on air

Honestly never heard of him

Ursus Horribilis · 07-12-2018 12:54am

https://twitter.com/TonightVMT/status/1070820500950171648

JoeA3 · 07-12-2018 12:57am

This guy McDermott is a total waste of airspace and tbh it's rather annoying that his opinions have managed to drum up such a large thread on here today. Please stop feeding this idiot's ego!

(P.S. I realise I've just added more fuel to this stupid thread).

gamecube · 07-12-2018 12:59am

That's a pretty good explanation from Shane about his use of the word in the song

Barna77 · 07-12-2018 1:01am

Took a look on the lgbt forum
Not even a mention of this. And trust me, they like to moan there...

For Forks Sake · 07-12-2018 1:07am

Even his employers aren't having any of his nonsense.

https://www.joe.co.uk/amp/news/fairytale-new-york-uncensored-211291

backspin. · 07-12-2018 1:09am

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TonightVMT/status/1070820500950171648

Did Shane have to go to the bother of writing that statement because of Eoghan McDermott's attempt to virtue signal. How depressing.

Itssoeasy · 07-12-2018 1:10am

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Even his employer's aren't having his nonsense.

https://www.joe.co.uk/amp/news/fairytale-new-york-uncensored-211291

Well that's probably not what Eoghan McDermott was hoping for.

sligojoek · 07-12-2018 1:20am

backspin. wrote: »

Did Shane have to go to the bother of writing that statement because of Eoghan McDermott's attempt to virtue signal. How depressing.

Sometimes you have to explain simple things to simple people in simple words.

MOds: I don't mean EMcD. I mean simple people in general.

JP Liz V1 · 07-12-2018 1:22am

I hope the original uncensored version of the song gets to No. 1

limnam · 07-12-2018 1:23am

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I hope the original uncensored version of the song gets to No. 1

We've been done.

McDermot has put his house on the song been number 1 for xmas.

Crafty fcker.

CatFromHue · 07-12-2018 1:30am

I'm scratching my head here as there was a fairly big to do when Floyd Mayweather and Conor McGregor used the F word, with a lot of people coming out and saying how bad it was.

Now it seems it's ok as it's in a song we all love.

I dunno

limnam · 07-12-2018 1:33am

CatFromHue wrote: »

I'm scratching my head here as there was a fairly big to do when Floyd Mayweather and Conor McGregor used the F word, with a lot of people coming out and saying how bad it was.

Now it seems it's ok as it's in a song we all love.

I dunno

I guess it might have something to do with the context.

One was used as a homophobic slur apparently and the other was not.

Cockford Ollie · 07-12-2018 1:35am

CatFromHue wrote: »

I'm scratching my head here as there was a fairly big to do when Floyd Mayweather and Conor McGregor used the F word, with a lot of people coming out and saying how bad it was.

Now it seems it's ok as it's in a song we all love.

I dunno

Maybe they are different sets of people and not everyone thinks the same?

Ursus Horribilis · 07-12-2018 1:37am

I hope he never shops in any British supermarket...

Eoghan McDermott wants Fairytale of New York Censored - Mod warning post 1

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