Justin Trudeau

tara73 · 05-07-2017 8:08am

all the men here are so jealous of the looks of Mr. Trudeau... Otherwise it's not explainable how most are degrading his looks.. he looks like a sheep...hahahaha, what kind of sheep people have..:pac::eek:.

ancapailldorcha · 05-07-2017 8:14am

Anybody hated by far right nationalists is generally well sound in my experience.

Brian? · 05-07-2017 8:15am

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

How many terrorist attacks has there been involving Sikhs?

How many terrorist attacks have there been involving Irish people?

Brian? · 05-07-2017 8:18am

Help!!!! wrote: »

They are being favoured do some research & you will see.

Example
If this was the other way around it would be considered racist
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/08/26/disabled-man-told-subsidized-housing-is-for-muslims-only.html

Also Chinese, Irish, Sikh, Indians have all gotten along pretty well over the years add in Muslims & theres a problem

Did you read the article at all yourself or just the headline?

There are eight such buildings in Toronto, catering to Muslims, Macedonians, Germans and seniors who are Christian, Chinese, Greek, Hungarian or Lithuanian.

Karin Tahir, Ahmadiyya Abode of Peace’s property manager, said the building does not discriminate on race, colour or ethnicity. "Ahmadiyya is in 200 countries," he said.

"We're not bumping anyone off the list," Tahir added. "The real issue is the 90,000-person waiting list for an affordable unit. Where is the new stock?"

Chinese, Irish and Indians has quietly hated each other if that's what you mean.

beans · 05-07-2017 8:19am

I enjoy the Castro narrative

Samaris · 05-07-2017 8:38am

No idea regarding Trudeau. He seems to be passingly sane, which I sincerely value more than I used to in world leaders. There'll always be people who hate him (or any politician), rightly or wrongly, and I have no idea if the people who currently hate Trudeau have a point or not. Canadian politics are not my strong point.

I prefer a smug fecker that keeps his country running over incompetents (May), malevolent incompetents (Trump), devious assholes (Putin, Erdogan) or bat**** insane (Kim, Duterte) though.

05-07-2017 9:20am

The media's fawning over him is cringey but what's even cringier is the number of people (the kind of idiots who use words "libtard", "feminazi" and "snowflake") who get so worked about him and think he's some sort of liberal demon who's going to bring down society.

If you're hated by the alt-right, it's generally a good indicator that you're probably a decent human being.

DrPhilG · 05-07-2017 10:28am

MLC_biker wrote: »

Donald Trump labeled brutal North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un "a pretty smart cookie" in a wide-ranging interview aired Sunday.

“At a very young age, he was able to assume power. A lot of people, I'm sure, tried to take that power away, whether it was his uncle or anybody else. And he was able to do it. So obviously, he's a pretty smart cookie,” Trump told CBS News

Compared to Trudeaus comment on Castro, it's a diiferent level of crazy

It's pretty clear that Trump's comments towards Kim were not a compliment. Basically called him a clever little bastard which is probably true.

Just because someone is a lunatic/psycho it doesn't mean they aren't intelligent.

Trudeau praised Castro.

jmayo · 05-07-2017 10:29am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

FIANNA FAIL

After seeing the famous thread you started I think you being a fianna failer would be actually quiet tame.

Billy86 wrote: »

Nah, the Muslim community in Toronto get on in Toronto where there has been a noticeable population and a number of mosques for decades.

I reckon if you went back far enough you would find someone saying the same thing about Brussels.

Deleted User wrote: »

The media's fawning over him is cringey but what's even cringier is the number of people (the kind of idiots who use words "libtard", "feminazi" and "snowflake") who get so worked about him and think he's some sort of liberal demon who's going to bring down society.

If you're hated by the alt-right, it's generally a good indicator that you're probably a decent human being.

Says the poster who uses the word alt-right. :rolleyes:

meeeeh · 05-07-2017 10:47am

I don't have issues with his policies, I do however have issues with dumb political discourse around him. I don't care if politician is attractive or if he photobombs people while running or if he wears Star Wars socks. All this is just ridiculous noise to drown out criticism of his policies.

A politician was buried last week. He was overweight, unsophisticated, failed miserably at relationships with those closest to him and yet he shaped Europe in the last 30 years more than possibly any other politician. And yet we don't discuss Helmut Kohl, we are talking about Trudeau because he is cute and wears Star Wars socks.

Rekop dog · 05-07-2017 10:59am

meeeeh wrote: »

I don't have issues with his policies, I do however have issues with dumb political discourse around him. I don't care if politician is attractive or if he photobombs people while running or if he wears Star Wars socks. All this is just ridiculous noise to drown out criticism of his policies.

A politician was buried last week. He was overweight, unsophisticated, failed miserably at relationships with those closest to him and yet he shaped Europe in the last 30 years more than possibly any other politician. And yet we don't discuss Helmut Kohl, we are talking about Trudeau because he is cute and wears Star Wars socks.

From what I see and it's always the case with these thing, there's far more people complaining about "the discourse" around him than those making the shallow comments with regards his looks/ charm ect. So it's more people like you that's elongating this discussion with noise than anything else.

Billy86 · 05-07-2017 11:08am

jmayo wrote: »

I reckon if you went back far enough you would find someone saying the same thing about Brussels.

Ah the old "because there's no problem doesn't mean there's not a problem because I want there to be a problem" line of thinking. Very good. Well done.

NIMAN · 05-07-2017 11:10am

All I know is that watching him and Leo yesterday on the news was awfully cringeworthy

ArchXStanton · 05-07-2017 11:10am

Indicative of the calibre of politician we have today...

meeeeh · 05-07-2017 11:17am

Rekop dog wrote: »

From what I see and it's always the case with these thing, there's far more people complaining about "the discourse" around him than those making the shallow comments with regards his looks/ charm ect. So it's more people like you that's elongating this discussion with noise than anything else.

Ok. So what is your opinion about building new gas pipeline to supply more oil in context of his stand on climate change?

05-07-2017 11:48am

jmayo wrote: »

Says the poster who uses the word alt-right. :rolleyes:

Yes. And?
Many online right-wingers use that term to refer to themselves, some even take pride in it. It's a description, not a baseless pejorative.
So you can redirect that :rolleyes: back towards yourself.

jmayo · 05-07-2017 11:57am

Billy86 wrote: »

Ah the old "because there's no problem doesn't mean there's not a problem because I want there to be a problem" line of thinking. Very good. Well done.

Whereas you on the other hand refuse to see the problem that is very likely to happen.

The facts speak for themselves.
Molenbeek, Sevran, Malmo, Rotherham, etc, etc.
Or perhaps you don't want to admit to them as they are inconvenient blight on your rosey multicultural nirvana or maybe you can use the excuse they are just highlighted in what you term gutter media or by people like Tommy Robinson.

meeeeh wrote: »

I don't have issues with his policies, I do however have issues with dumb political discourse around him. I don't care if politician is attractive or if he photobombs people while running or if he wears Star Wars socks. All this is just ridiculous noise to drown out criticism of his policies.

A politician was buried last week. He was overweight, unsophisticated, failed miserably at relationships with those closest to him and yet he shaped Europe in the last 30 years more than possibly any other politician. And yet we don't discuss Helmut Kohl, we are talking about Trudeau because he is cute and wears Star Wars socks.

Now there was a statesman with actually a bit of forward thinking.
What has Europe and Germany got today, oh yeah Frau Merkel. :rolleyes:

ancapailldorcha · 05-07-2017 12:02pm

jmayo wrote: »

The facts speak for themselves.
Molenbeek, Sevran, Malmo, Rotherham, etc, etc.
Or perhaps you don't want to admit to them as they are inconvenient blight on your rosey multicultural nirvana or maybe you can use the excuse they are just highlighted in what you term gutter media or by people like Tommy Robinson.

Your cherrypicked examples are just a lazy way to try to spin things. The sky isn't falling in.

Billy86 · 05-07-2017 12:04pm

jmayo wrote: »

Whereas you on the other hand refuse to see the problem that is very likely to happen.

The facts speak for themselves.
Molenbeek, Sevran, Malmo, Rotherham, etc, etc.
Or perhaps you don't want to admit to them as they are inconvenient blight on your rosey multicultural nirvana or maybe you can use the excuse they are just highlighted in what you term gutter media or by people like Tommy Robinson.

You have not provided any facts. The fact is that the GTA has a large Muslim population (a larger per capita number than Belgium) and does not have this huge fallout you're trying to describe. You seem eager to want there to be a problem there, Muslims and non Muslims in Toronto get on very well without it being an issue and have done so for decades. Sorry to burst your bubble.

jmayo wrote: »

Says the poster who uses the word alt-right. :rolleyes:

Meant to also quote this initially too, the alt-right are the ones who labelled themselves the alt-right.

ancapailldorcha · 05-07-2017 12:05pm

Billy86 wrote: »

You have not provided any facts. The fact is that the GTA has a large Muslim population (a larger per capita number than Belgium) and does not have this huge fallout you're trying to describe. You seem eager to want there to be a problem there, Muslims and non Muslims in Toronto get on very well without it being an issue and have done so for decades. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Almost as if most of them aren't jihadists....

Billy86 · 05-07-2017 12:07pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Almost as if most of them aren't jihadists....

F***ing mental, eh!?

tara73 · 05-07-2017 12:14pm

meeeeh wrote: »

I don't have issues with his policies, I do however have issues with dumb political discourse around him. I don't care if politician is attractive or if he photobombs people while running or if he wears Star Wars socks. All this is just ridiculous noise to drown out criticism of his policies.

A politician was buried last week. He was overweight, unsophisticated, failed miserably at relationships with those closest to him and yet he shaped Europe in the last 30 years more than possibly any other politician. And yet we don't discuss Helmut Kohl, we are talking about Trudeau because he is cute and wears Star Wars socks.

but this is After Hours, supposed to be lighthearted afaik:)

why don't you open a thread in the politics forum, discussing Helmut Kohl, I would be in..:):P

meeeeh · 05-07-2017 12:16pm

jmayo wrote: »

Now there was a statesman with actually a bit of forward thinking.
What has Europe and Germany got today, oh yeah Frau Merkel. :rolleyes:

Khol had his flaws too. Merkel is not more reactive than visionary but there is a lot to admire about her. Anyway she is a politician who works hard to avoid superficial stuff.

jmayo · 05-07-2017 12:27pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes. And?
Many online right-wingers use that term to refer to themselves, some even take pride in it. It's a description, not a baseless pejorative.
So you can redirect that :rolleyes: back towards yourself.

To me ALT Right is a keyboard sequence.
Add in CTRL and see what happens.

Maybe some label themselves as such, but I do think it is often a term fired out at anyone not subscribing to the media driven, facebook/twitter generation idea that everyone, every idea, every ideology, every religion is equally the same and equally deserving of respect and accommodation.

Except the real truth is that even those subscribing to the above ideas of equality usually do not actually believe that all are equal.

Anyone seen as being on this right are actually deserving of condemnation and even being physically attacked.

There is usually uproar if someone goes on the media or posts on the web that it was ok and perfectly acceptable for a muslim or minority to be assaulted.
And only an idiot would condone such assaults.

But then just watch how many people, posters even on these forums, think it is acceptable and actually laud the physical attacks on those they view as right wing.

Christians, catholics in particular, are often ridiculed and lambasted for the behaviour of their clergy.
White males are often blamed for all the ills of the world.

There is this mindset currently at play that anyone not subscribing to modern gender political correctness, positive discrimination, unfethered immigration into Europe and the Western world by a group of people primarily subscribing to an ideology often completely at odds with that of most of the Western world, is automatically a racist gay bashing sexist misogynistic christian white supremacist nazi oaf.

And the real laugh is when suddenly someone like Milo Yiannopoulos comes along some have a hissy fit because suddenly all of the above no longer applies.
Likewise with non white anti islam protesters who no longer fit the narrative about white racists.

ancapailldorcha · 05-07-2017 12:34pm

jmayo wrote: »

Anyone seen as being on this right are actually deserving of condemnation and even being physically attacked.

There is usually uproar if someone goes on the media or posts on the web that it was ok and perfectly acceptable for a muslim or minority to be assaulted.
And only an idiot would condone such assaults.

But then just watch how many people, posters even on these forums, think it is acceptable and actually laud the physical attacks on those they view as right wing.

Oh please. There is no shortage of violent far right activists who you're happy to turn a blind eye to. I don't condone physical attacks on anyone but you're only concerned when people who agree with your world view get attacked. That's a double standard.

jmayo wrote: »

Christians, catholics in particular, are often ridiculed and lambasted for the behaviour of their clergy.
White males are often blamed for all the ills of the world.

And Muslims are blamed for the actions of jihadists, IS and other terrorists, something you're happy to do. Another double standard.

jmayo wrote: »

There is this mindset currently at play that anyone not subscribing to modern gender political correctness, positive discrimination, unfethered immigration into Europe and the Western world by a group of people primarily subscribing to an ideology often completely at odds with that of most of the Western world, is automatically a racist gay bashing sexist misogynistic christian white supremacist nazi oaf.

This mindset is only present in right wingers who want to play the victim card. Frankly, it's pathetic that you can't rationally defend your beliefs without pretending to be oppressed.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 05-07-2017 8:19pm

I've already had enough of this guy today and then I see a picture of him trying to play hurling on the paper today.I love hurling but is there anything more cringeworthy than everytime we have a foreign visitor we invariably make sure he has a hurl or pint of Guinness in his hand, and whats worse is they brought out Ciaran Kilkenny for this hurl picture which doesn't make any sense seeing as he doesn't play for the Dublin hurlers anymore and decided to play football instead.

Why have we fallen in love with Canada all of a sudden I can't remember any big hoo ha being made over any other Canadian Prime minister visiting here.

(If this post appears to be anti Canadian it isn't I really like Neil Young,Maple Syrup and Ice Hockey).

05-07-2017 8:34pm

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

I've already had enough of this guy today and then I see a picture of him trying to play hurling on the paper today.I love hurling but is there anything more cringeworthy than everytime we have a foreign visitor we invariably make sure he has a hurl or pint of Guinness in his hand, and whats worse is they brought out Ciaran Kilkenny for this hurl picture which doesn't make any sense seeing as he doesn't play for the Dublin hurlers anymore and decided to play football instead.

I don't know if you've ever used the word snowflake, or if you agree that it's as daft a term as I think it is.

But I'm pretty sure you've just waived your right to ever accuse someone of it.

It's remarkable to me how much this utterly innocuous man seems to really affect people, who seem to be 'cringing' and squirming -- and downright angry -- at such minor issues.

Yourself isit · 05-07-2017 8:48pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Almost as if most of them aren't jihadists....

Almost as if Canada has an extremely stringent system for immigration.

Yourself isit · 05-07-2017 8:52pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes. And?
Many online right-wingers use that term to refer to themselves, some even take pride in it. It's a description, not a baseless pejorative.
So you can redirect that :rolleyes: back towards yourself.

The term is incoherent even in the US. Here its just mud slinging.

Billy86 · 05-07-2017 8:56pm

Yourself isit wrote: »

Almost as if Canada has an extremely stringent system for immigration.

Almost as if Canada has a higher per capita refugee population (and higher per capita foreign born population) than [edit] all but 2-3 EU countries, Toronto being 51% foreign born.

But then again, most of the recent terror attacks in Europe have come from people born in the EU.

Ulysses Gaze · 05-07-2017 9:00pm

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

I've already had enough of this guy today and then I see a picture of him trying to play hurling on the paper today.I love hurling but is there anything more cringeworthy than everytime we have a foreign visitor we invariably make sure he has a hurl or pint of Guinness in his hand, and whats worse is they brought out Ciaran Kilkenny for this hurl picture which doesn't make any sense seeing as he doesn't play for the Dublin hurlers anymore and decided to play football instead.

Why have we fallen in love with Canada all of a sudden I can't remember any big hoo ha being made over any other Canadian Prime minister visiting here.

(If this post appears to be anti Canadian it isn't I really like Neil Young,Maple Syrup and Ice Hockey).

Because "we" hate Trump and lauded that other vacuous, soundbyte shill politician who looked good in a suit, Obama. Trudeau is like Obama.

Talks out of both sides of him mouth but he wears Eid socks at a Gay Pride parade, has really nice hair and has a nice butt and hey....everyone overseas swoons.

Macron is the same. Another Neoliberal shill who is young and photogenic and the morons will lap it up. Even though he has as much depth as a puddle.

castletownman · 05-07-2017 9:01pm

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

I've already had enough of this guy today and then I see a picture of him trying to play hurling on the paper today.I love hurling but is there anything more cringeworthy than everytime we have a foreign visitor we invariably make sure he has a hurl or pint of Guinness in his hand, and whats worse is they brought out Ciaran Kilkenny for this hurl picture which doesn't make any sense seeing as he doesn't play for the Dublin hurlers anymore and decided to play football instead.

Why have we fallen in love with Canada all of a sudden I can't remember any big hoo ha being made over any other Canadian Prime minister visiting here.

(If this post appears to be anti Canadian it isn't I really like Neil Young,Maple Syrup and Ice Hockey).

Because he's hawt like our Leo. All about the aesthetics.

As for the obligatory hurl and pint routine, it'll be interesting to see if the anti-Trump agenda will be put to one side if he pays a visit. Sure we all love fawning over the celebs, and who are we to break tradition

Billy86 · 05-07-2017 9:02pm

Yourself isit wrote: »

Very nice. Also an extremely stringent immigration system. Extremely. Keeps out most undesirables. Kind of thing ukip wanted post brexit.

Actually this came up with someone just the other day...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/01/canada-mexico-immigrants-visas-asylum-tourism
Officials in Canada are readying for a potential surge in Mexican migrants, as a promise to scrap a visa requirement comes into effect amid uncertainty over Donald Trump’s promises to crack down on undocumented immigrants.

Could you go into some detail though, on this 'extremely strict' immigration system? Because I knew people from all over the place when I was there, with a very varied level of skill-sets and backgrounds.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 05-07-2017 9:03pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't know if you've ever used the word snowflake, or if you agree that it's as daft a term as I think it is.

But I'm pretty sure you've just waived your right to ever accuse someone of it.

It's remarkable to me how much this utterly innocuous man seems to really affect people, who seem to be 'cringing' and squirming -- and downright angry -- at such minor issues.

I find the whole obsession over him in the last few days quite tedious. Thats all.

Ulysses Gaze · 05-07-2017 9:12pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't know if you've ever used the word snowflake, or if you agree that it's as daft a term as I think it is.

But I'm pretty sure you've just waived your right to ever accuse someone of it.

It's remarkable to me how much this utterly innocuous man seems to really affect people, who seem to be 'cringing' and squirming -- and downright angry -- at such minor issues.

Because he represents everything that is wrong about modern politics - all flash, no substance.

Where are the politicians like Helmut Kohl, Clement Attlee, Indira Gandhi or Benazir Bhutto? Politicians of substance and principle. Even if you did not agree with everything they did.

tara73 · 05-07-2017 9:40pm

Billy86 wrote: »

But then again, most of the recent terror attacks in Europe have come from people born in the EU.

? not true. the Nice, London Bridge and Berlin attackers for example and also two of the Attackers from 15. Nov. 2015 in France were born outside of the EU. The Charlie Hebdo shooters were french, the Manchester and 4 of the five Brussels ones too.
But to say most of the recent attackers were born in the EU is not the case. Maybe 50/50.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2017_London_Bridge_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

Billy86 · 05-07-2017 10:01pm

tara73 wrote: »

? not true. the Nice, London Bridge and Berlin attackers for example and also two of the Attackers from 15. Nov. 2015 in France were born outside of the EU. The Charlie Hebdo shooters were french, the Manchester and 4 of the five Brussels ones too.
But to say most of the recent attackers were born in the EU is not the case. Maybe 50/50.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2017_London_Bridge_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

You're probably correct there, had confused the London Bridge attackers with Manchester on that end, though there is also the Westminster attacker and the one near the Finsbury Park mosque it's more likely around 50/50 in total.

ligerdub · 05-07-2017 10:11pm

Can we have one thread that doesn't turn into Islamist terror and Trump please?

Mutant z · 05-07-2017 10:15pm

A mass immigration lover like merkel.

tara73 · 05-07-2017 10:32pm

ligerdub wrote: »

Can we have one thread that doesn't turn into Islamist terror and Trump please?

you are completely right there.

I wonder, what do the canadians think of him. we are all outside of his 'real action place', so kind of arrogant of us to judge anyway. aren't here any canadians who can give us a picture.?

but then again, there are also people who will like him and people who don't..

05-07-2017 10:49pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Because he represents everything that is wrong about modern politics - all flash, no substance.

Where are the politicians like Helmut Kohl, Clement Attlee, Indira Gandhi or Benazir Bhutto? Politicians of substance and principle. Even if you did not agree with everything they did.

Ah here,. you've just listed a small number of exceptionally well-known politicians who were active over an 80-year span.

I don't think Trudeau is as vacuous as you claim, but even if he were, it's unreasonable to expect every global leader to be as historically prominent as the handful of 20th century leaders you have selected.

Why not compare him to John Diefenbaker or Joe Clark, or any other of the barely-remembered Canadian PMs of the 20th century, instead of some of the most famous figures in recent world history.

Billy86 · 05-07-2017 10:54pm

tara73 wrote: »

you are completely right there.

I wonder, what do the canadians think of him. we are all outside of his 'real action place', so kind of arrogant of us to judge anyway. aren't here any canadians who can give us a picture.?

but then again, there are also people who will like him and people who don't..

In Toronto anyway it's positive though not overwhelmingly so - a good 'face' of the country in terms of how he acts, lacking a bit in substance but open to ideas and input. Budget issues have caused concerns though, which is always a big one when it comes to elections and opinion polls. A few posters here have hit the nail on the head in that regard. I've been gone from there for nine months - it's the vibe I still get off friends etc over there but can't say they speak for everyone of course.

My guess is BC would be similar, Alberta (traditionalist, conservative area) and Quebec (more separatist) more negative - not too sure about the smatterings of provinces over on the east coast. The state of affairs to the south of Canada right now is likely helping him a bit too, comparatively.

tara73 · 05-07-2017 11:19pm

Billy86 wrote: »

In Toronto anyway it's positive though not overwhelmingly so - a good 'face' of the country in terms of how he acts

I take that literally here:D

Billy86 · 05-07-2017 11:23pm

tara73 wrote: »

I take that literally here:D

THAT'S WHY I SAID IN TERMS OF HOW HE ACTS!! :mad:

John108679908 · 05-07-2017 11:28pm

Well he's supposedly selling Canada to the Chinese- in terms of the numbers of visas being given to them. Lots of Chinese money over there-driving up the price of housing beyond the average persons reach- much the same as they're doing hear tbh.

Richard Hillman · 05-07-2017 11:30pm

If just Justin as he's known to the Irish media moved to Ireland and implemented his Canadian tax laws, he would be considered far-right. These people have no perspective or knowledge of foreign regimes

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_taxes_in_Canada

06-07-2017 12:01am

Richard Hillman wrote: »

If just Justin as he's known to the Irish media moved to Ireland and implemented his Canadian tax laws, he would be considered far-right. These people have no perspective or knowledge of foreign regimes

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_taxes_in_Canada

A worker in Canada earning the equivalent of 31,000 euro pays 15% effective income taxes & charges.

A worker in Ireland on the same wage pays 16% effective income taxes & charges.

1% difference. Far-right?

jackofalltrades · 06-07-2017 1:11am

I feel he's given an easy time by the media because he's young and considered easy on the eye.
But like Macron at the moment.
That and he says the "right" things e.g. his comment on a gender balance to Varadkar.

That said he lauded the passing of a dictator.
Also his countries restrictions on Syrian refugees would have people here up in arms.
But no that's brushed over and all we here about is how welcoming Canada is and how much it supports multiculturalism.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

A worker in Canada earning the equivalent of 31,000 euro pays 15% effective income taxes & charges.

A worker in Ireland on the same wage pays 16% effective income taxes & charges.

1% difference. Far-right?

You need to try more than one figure.
As you go up in wages the Canadian system would start to offer very nice savings for the higher earning tax payers of this country.
Given how our Taoiseach is already been compared to Thatcher and his party compared to the US Republicans, I don't think such a suggestion would be well received.
I wouldn't put it past certain political parties to brand such a move as far-right.

06-07-2017 4:54am

jackofalltrades wrote: »

You need to try more than one figure.

Sorry but I'm not going to spend my time doing more tax calculations, when the evidence is already perfectly clear.

Ireland has lower average taxes on income than Canada does

http://www.oecd.org/tax/tax-policy/taxing-wages-ireland.pdf

As for very high earners, I don't think many people would have a problem with these people paying less so long as the cost didn't fall on low or middle-income workers (in reality, nobody earning more than even 70k pays the full whack of tax. I don't even earn 70k yet, and even I decrease my tax liability by pension contributions, for example, and get fairly generous tax relief for this).

pickarooney · 06-07-2017 5:32am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ah here,. you've just listed a small number of exceptionally well-known politicians who were active over an 80-year span.

I don't think Trudeau is as vacuous as you claim, but even if he were, it's unreasonable to expect every global leader to be as historically prominent as the handful of 20th century leaders you have selected.

Why not compare him to John Diefenbaker or Joe Clark, or any other of the barely-remembered Canadian PMs of the 20th century, instead of some of the most famous figures in recent world history.

I'd take José Mujica over Benazir Bhutto

Justin Trudeau

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