TAMS II

eoinmk2 · 16-01-2016 7:16pm

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

Have Ye cattle now ? If so have ye sufficient slurry storage cause that's one thing if u keep over the winter

yes and no, we have a slatted shed with capacity for approx 100 cattle, but we also have a large bedded shed that could be converted to cubicles, and put in tank and automatic scraper to house cows. another option could be to pump slurry from the cubicle shed to the slatted unit, only about 50 yards away instead of putting in a new tank. have lots of options, getting someone out who to advise us on how to go about things because at the moment they are just ideas.

Timmaay · 16-01-2016 9:28pm

eoinmk2 wrote: »

will a father son partnership get the 160k grant, or does the other farmer have to be bringing land to the equation?

also, how many tranches of the do people think there will be? will it just stay going until all the money is gone?

I have applied for the young farmers grant, not heard any word back yet. my problem is that I'm in my final year of ag science, but we don't get our qualification/green cert till we graduate in autumn, so the 25 march deadline is out of the question I think. also, I don't exactly want to dive into farming straight after college. Id like to either work abroad (new zealand dairying) or away from home for a year or two before I come home farming and get experience with cows. we are currently beef farming at home but I intent on going dairying, so the grants would help a lot in the conversion. With all these deadline coming up for applications I'm not sure if I should scrap the going away idea and stay home so as to make the most of the grants, or go away for a few years in the hope the grants will still be there when I come home.

any advice anyone?

Yes father sons will get 160k. Should be several tranches, tams1 never got fully used up. In terms of you yourself, defo don't be in any rush home if things are tipping away ok now (if the farm has survived this long without ya another few years won't make any difference ha). Tams2 is due to go until 2020. The low price of milk now will certainly slow down investment in dairying so this will help extend out the number of tranches.

eoinmk2 · 17-01-2016 1:17am

Timmaay wrote: »

Yes father sons will get 160k. Should be several tranches, tams1 never got fully used up. In terms of you yourself, defo don't be in any rush home if things are tipping away ok now (if the farm has survived this long without ya another few years won't make any difference ha). Tams2 is due to go until 2020. The low price of milk now will certainly slow down investment in dairying so this will help extend out the number of tranches.

I'd hope so anyway. that's good news, I dont want to tied to home too soon, would love to go abroad and work for a year or two, but if it was a case of sacrificing 80k to go away to work for just a year or two it would be a hard decision to make. the question for me is will the grant be available right up to 2020. from what i have read in the mean time it will. who could I contact officially to get reliable information on this?

cheers

19driver83 · 17-01-2016 12:39pm

Started a shed in Oct 2014 & finished it in Early 2015.
Had planning & it's built to the farm spec.

Was / is there any grant available for this?

Injuryprone · 17-01-2016 12:53pm

19driver83 wrote: »

Started a shed in Oct 2014 & finished it in Early 2015.
Had planning & it's built to the farm spec.

Was / is there any grant available for this?

No. You have to get grant before building

Charliebull · 22-01-2016 5:47pm

latest from dept

Tranche 1 applications for new sheds wont get any idea as to how the applications are going until March

foooking jokers

adne · 06-04-2016 1:27pm

Has anyone got a response on tranche I applications, bloody joke at this stage.
Tranche 3 open and they still not completed trance I.

Quotes will be well outdated if ever get approval

djmc · 06-04-2016 2:58pm

Rang them last week and was told that they are having a problem with their IT system and hopefully will have it fixed by the end of April maybe but couldn't say for sure.
That's what's holding up approval
I am waiting for tranch one approval also but no money left for it now.

Tyson Lannister · 05-05-2016 12:00am

Lads how do I find the list of what buildings will be covered by tams 2?
Would an outside tank with no roof be covered?

FeelTheBern · 05-05-2016 12:14pm

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

Lads how do I find the list of what buildings will be covered by tams 2?
Would an outside tank with no roof be covered?

Don't know offhand but if you click into the documents under the Tams 2 scheme in the Dept website one of them lists the eligible investments.

adne · 10-05-2016 10:37am

Anyone any idea when this farce of a scheme will have approvals / rejections

sako 85 · 10-05-2016 10:57am

adne wrote: »

Anyone any idea when this farce of a scheme will have approvals / rejections

I was informed by email that it would be the end of last week, so hopefully it will be very shortly but who knows.

adne · 10-05-2016 11:06am

sako 85 wrote: »

I was informed by email that it would be the end of last week, so hopefully it will be very shortly but who knows.

Whats the email address to contact them.

blackdog1 · 10-05-2016 11:11am

Talking to a Teagssc guy in the know and said it system isn't even set up yet and payments might not arrive till December. I got pre approval for tank ordered.

adne · 10-05-2016 11:18am

blackdog1 wrote: »

Talking to a Teagssc guy in the know and said it system isn't even set up yet and payments might not arrive till December. I got pre approval for tank ordered.

Howd you go about getting pre approval. Ive a application in since sept and still no approval/rejection

sako 85 · 10-05-2016 1:11pm

adne wrote: »

Whats the email address to contact them.

tams@agriculture.gov.ie

blackdog1 · 10-05-2016 1:37pm

I just applied through my Teagasc advisor online.

FeelTheBern · 10-05-2016 2:05pm

blackdog1 wrote: »

I just applied through my Teagasc advisor online.

Did your Teagasc advisor fill in the online application form for you?

blackdog1 · 10-05-2016 2:48pm

FeelTheBern wrote:

Did your Teagasc advisor fill in the online application form for you?

Yes with me there

FeelTheBern · 10-05-2016 4:00pm

blackdog1 wrote: »

Yes with me there

Fair play to him - my Teagasc advisor just said straight out that they've contracted all that work out to external crowd and that he'd pass on my number. Heard no more from anyone and having a go now myself.

valtra2 · 10-05-2016 10:50pm

Rang today and was told that it would be at least two months. Have been told that since last November. What I don't get is why the dairy lads were giving aprovel for work to be done but the rest of us are told that they are waiting on a computer system. Bollix me thinks

blackdog1 · 11-05-2016 7:38am

I wouldn't complain if I was you. People who got pre approval went away paid for the work and are now waiting 8 months for payment it looks like. I only put in tank...no work to be done so that might be the reason.

gazahayes · 05-06-2016 2:30pm

valtra2 wrote: »

Rang today and was told that it would be at least two months. Have been told that since last November. What I don't get is why the dairy lads were giving aprovel for work to be done but the rest of us are told that they are waiting on a computer system. Bollix me thinks

See on agfood my application comes up afit approved on Friday so it must be ready.

adne · 19-06-2016 8:52pm

Has anyone received approval yet.

Sami23 · 02-09-2016 9:56am

I hope to get an application in for a 2 bay slatted shed before the next deadline at the end of September.
For those of you who have already applied over the last year just wondering did ye do the application yourselves or get an agri advisor/agent to do it for you ?

Also for those of you that did it yourselves did ye find it hard to do the farmyard sketch etc.

Also any advice or recommendations would be appreciated as I don't really want the extra expense of someone to do my application if I can do it myself.
Thanks

Tyson Lannister · 03-09-2016 1:55am

Sami23 wrote: »

I hope to get an application in for a 2 bay slatted shed before the next deadline at the end of September.
For those of you who have already applied over the last year just wondering did ye do the application yourselves or get an agri advisor/agent to do it for you ?

Also for those of you that did it yourselves did ye find it hard to do the farmyard sketch etc.

Also any advice or recommendations would be appreciated as I don't really want the extra expense of someone to do my application if I can do it myself.
Thanks

Have you planning permission obtained for the shed?

Sami23 · 03-09-2016 6:30am

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

Have you planning permission obtained for the shed?

Yes planning permission is got so ready to apply at last

dungfly · 03-09-2016 7:00am

How did ye do the farm yard plan. Did people do it themselves (how did you do it) or outsource? What kind of money to get someone to draw it?

What kind of detail is required? Where can I find out more info?

FeelTheBern · 03-09-2016 8:01am

Sami23 wrote: »

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

Have you planning permission obtained for the shed?

Yes planning permission is got so ready to apply at last

in my case the drawings for the planning were used again then for the grant application. Think the fellow who did the planning drawings for me said that the yard plan had to be a certain scale so would be acceptable for the grant application too.

I'm with Teagasc so went to my advisor then once had planning in order to do up the grant application. He told me that teagasc had outsourced all this work to some other crowd and would give them my number to contact me but they were very busy! Looked it up online and seemed to be fairly hefty fee for this too. Heard nothing and followed up with teagasc but still heard nothing so said F this and went at it myself.

Printed off and read all the guidance docs and rules, started messing about with a draft application on the online system and think figured it out ok in the end - but not approved yet so potential still there to have made a balls of it!!! Looks complicated enough at first but ok in end. Don't even bother ringing that technical helpline though - very nice to talk to but they have no useful information for tricky questions.

Farrell · 03-09-2016 8:38am

FeelTheBern wrote: »

in my case the drawings for the planning were used again then for the grant application. Think the fellow who did the planning drawings for me said that the yard plan had to be a certain scale so would be acceptable for the grant application too.

I'm with Teagasc so went to my advisor then once had planning in order to do up the grant application. He told me that teagasc had outsourced all this work to some other crowd and would give them my number to contact me but they were very busy! Looked it up online and seemed to be fairly hefty fee for this too. Heard nothing and followed up with teagasc but still heard nothing so said F this and went at it myself.

Printed off and read all the guidance docs and rules, started messing about with a draft application on the online system and think figured it out ok in the end - but not approved yet so potential still there to have made a balls of it!!! Looks complicated enough at first but ok in end. Don't even bother ringing that technical helpline though - very nice to talk to but they have no useful information for tricky questions.

Allot of stuff not approved as yet, hopefully it'll be sorted soon

Tyson Lannister · 03-09-2016 9:16am

If you got planning permission you shouldn't need to draw a farmyard sketch
- you should be able to use the site layout submitted for PP. It has to be at a scale of 1/500 or won't be accepted. Drawings of shed to be at 1/100 or 1/200.
A lot of drawings which were used to obtain planning are being returned by the dept of ag as not having enough details.

Tyson Lannister · 03-09-2016 9:22am

An example of this is if you have a central feed passage and dimension the width of the feed passage as between the 2 poles it will be unacceptable- the width of the feed passage has to be taken from the outside of one stanchion to the outside of the stanchion on the other side.

Icelandicseige · 03-09-2016 10:16am

Is there grant available for cubicle shed ?
And is there a time frame the work has to be completed after approval? Thanks

Timmaay · 03-09-2016 1:26pm

Icelandicseige wrote: »

Is there grant available for cubicle shed ?
And is there a time frame the work has to be completed after approval? Thanks

3years

topaha · 05-09-2016 10:08am

Hello folks,

I got approval for TAMS II - applied by the 25 March '16 deadline.

Can anyone tell me if the Approved costs listed on approval letter would be including or excluding VAT?

Sami23 · 05-09-2016 10:43am

Just quick query on total roof area for say 2 bay slatted area plus a feed passage. Is it just the combined floor areas of these 2 added together or is it more to account for slope on roof ? As is would b bigger than floor area ?

topaha · 05-09-2016 11:25am

Sami23 wrote: »

Just quick query on total roof area for say 2 bay slatted area plus a feed passage. Is it just the combined floor areas of these 2 added together or is it more to account for slope on roof ? As is would b bigger than floor area ?

For planning purposes the external dimensions were used on my application, so the footprint of the building, the pitch of the roof didn't matter for that issue. I got the exemption as it was (just) under 200m2 and i didn't have 100m2 of farm buildings in existence.

For the grant, the internal floor area is taken. DAFM apply a rate per m2 to the development and the internal floor area will obviously be smaller than total footprint (When the footprint of walls are taken out.) so bear this in mind when drawing up plans.

Mine were kinda rushed in as i wanted to have something in place for this winter so it wasn't the complete finished detail that i wanted. I want to go with gates internally where there are walls shown on the drawings but only got round to confirming this after the application was submitted. It might be small beans in the greater scheme of things (Sorry, i know some people have missed out entirely for completely arbitrary reasons) but i've lost out on around €1,000 of approved costs because the footprint of a 50mm gate is less than that of a 200mm wall.

EDIT: I've heard back from DAFM about my own query above. The Approved Costs were Excl. VAT as expected.

Sami23 · 05-09-2016 11:35am

topaha wrote: »

Sami23 wrote: »

Just quick query on total roof area for say 2 bay slatted area plus a feed passage. Is it just the combined floor areas of these 2 added together or is it more to account for slope on roof ? As is would b bigger than floor area ?

For planning purposes the external dimensions were used on my application, so the footprint of the building, the pitch of the roof didn't matter for that issue. I got the exemption as it was (just) under 200m2 and i didn't have 100m2 of farm buildings in existence.

For the grant, the internal floor area is taken. DAFM apply a rate per m2 to the development and the internal floor area will obviously be smaller than total footprint (When the footprint of walls are taken out.) so bear this in mind when drawing up plans.

Mine were kinda rushed in as i wanted to have something in place for this winter so it wasn't the complete finished detail that i wanted. I want to go with gates internally where there are walls shown on the drawings but only got round to confirming this after the application was submitted. It might be small beans in the greater scheme of things (Sorry, i know some people have missed out entirely for completely arbitrary reasons) but i've lost out on around 1,000 of approved costs because the footprint of a 50mm gate is less than that of a 200mm wall.

EDIT: I've heard back from DAFM about my own query above. The Approved Costs were Excl. VAT as expected.

So are you saying that for my 2 bay slatted shed I need to leave out the 50mm from the footprint for the dividing gate between the two pens ?

topaha · 05-09-2016 11:51am

Sami23 wrote: »

So are you saying that for my 2 bay slatted shed I need to leave out the 50mm from the footprint for the dividing gate between the two pens ?

No, sorry, i wasn't clear enough. The walls in question in my case were between the slatted area and the creep area behind. DAFM have put a m2 quantity against 'Slatted area' as 1 measurement, wall to wall, pen dividers not included, and another m2 quantity against 'Loose Housing' wall to wall, gates pen dividers not included.

So what i would say, and i'm definitely no expert, is that each category of usable area is measured as a single item that they apply their rates to.

Are you looking at doing an application yourself or getting a pro to do it for you?

One other thing, tanks are being granted on volume now, not dimensions, so if for whatever reasons you might decide to change the dimensions of your tank (hitting rock etc,) as long as you get the volume the grant was based on you should be ok. This wasn't the case in the passed as far as i know.

Sami23 · 05-09-2016 12:19pm

topaha wrote: »

Sami23 wrote: »

So are you saying that for my 2 bay slatted shed I need to leave out the 50mm from the footprint for the dividing gate between the two pens ?

Are you looking at doing an application yourself or getting a pro to do it for you?

Yes I think I'm going to give it a go myself, just hoping not to mess it up so trying to figure out as much as I can b4 I start.
When u say gates and dividers are not included in m2 price of slatted area where so you claim for dividing gates and feed barriers as I thought they were included in m2 price ?
Thanks for all this info btw

topaha · 05-09-2016 12:28pm

Sami23 wrote: »

Yes I think I'm going to give it a go myself, just hoping not to mess it up so trying to figure out as much as I can b4 I start.
When u say gates and dividers are not included in m2 price of slatted area where so you claim for dividing gates and feed barriers as I thought they were included in m2 price ?
Thanks for all this info btw

No problem.

The gates etc will be included in the allowance you'll be granted but thy're not measured when working out the internal floor area. It seems that only what divides areas of different categories will be discounted from the gross footprint of the development.

dohc turbo2 · 05-09-2016 10:14pm

My application says ( LO check open for query ) Any one know what this means

valtra2 · 05-09-2016 11:07pm

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

My application says ( LO check open for query ) Any one know what this means

It's in your local office. You should ring up and see how it is moving along. Mine was in local office for 2 months going between desks,think someone did not like me down there ;

dohc turbo2 · 05-09-2016 11:16pm

valtra2 wrote: »

It's in your local office. You should ring up and see how it is moving along. Mine was in local office for 2 months going between desks,think someone did not like me down there ;

Cheers , will do that tomo thanks for that

Timmaay · 05-09-2016 11:48pm

Just finishing off an application here, and I've possibly a very stupid question, if a map scale has to be "not less than" say 1:2500, that would mean that say 1:1000 is acceptable instead, or the other way, 1:5000?

Hagimalone · 06-09-2016 1:21am

You are correct,1/1000

Count Mondego · 06-09-2016 6:57am

topaha wrote: »

EDIT: I've heard back from DAFM about my own query above. The Approved Costs were Excl. VAT as expected.

Was wondering about this myself. Some joke that there's about 1000 pages of shyte on the dept website relating to TAMS 2 and no reference to this.

Charliebull · 06-09-2016 11:22am

Count Mondego wrote: »

Was wondering about this myself. Some joke that there's about 1000 pages of shyte on the dept website relating to TAMS 2 and no reference to this.

let me get this straight so

when we submit invoices for payment claim, they will only add up the net (vat exclusive) amounts when comparing to the approved figure

Charliebull · 06-09-2016 11:23am

Timmaay wrote: »

Just finishing off an application here, and I've possibly a very stupid question, if a map scale has to be "not less than" say 1:2500, that would mean that say 1:1000 is acceptable instead, or the other way, 1:5000?

yes 1:2500 or 1:1000 will suffice

with maps the larger the figure the smaller the scale

Sami23 · 06-09-2016 11:52am

Charliebull wrote: »

Count Mondego wrote: »

Was wondering about this myself. Some joke that there's about 1000 pages of shyte on the dept website relating to TAMS 2 and no reference to this.

let me get this straight so

when we submit invoices for payment claim, they will only add up the net (vat exclusive) amounts when comparing to the approved figure

Just on costs, are the proposed costs we submit supposed to be incl. of Vat or excl. of Vat and are the dept. reference costs incl. or excl. of Vat ?

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