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22 syrian families arrive in ireland, then what?

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  • #502
    JPCN1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    Billy86 wrote: »
    2018 safest countries.

    Denmark - 2nd safest
    Sweden - 14th safest
    USA - ???

    It's also interesting that you want Ireland to take in more migrants from Kazhakstan, what with your preoccupation with IQ and them having a higher average IQ than Ireland.

    I was in Copenhagen recently and they had 24 hour armed security around the local synagogue.


  • #503
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    JPCN1 wrote: »
    I was in Copenhagen recently and they had 24 hour armed security around the local synagogue.

    And in America, they had one of the worst anti-semetic attacks in their history only a few months ago. It wasn't by a Muslim. Plenty of far right anti semetic groups in Europe too btw.


  • #504
    QuintusFabius
    Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭QuintusFabius


    McGiver wrote: »
    Why so? Please explain.

    You know exactly what I mean.


  • #505
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,149 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    QuintusFabius wrote: »
    You know exactly what I mean.

    indeed we do. the problem for you is that your claim could be thrown at people from all walks of life and society.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #506
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    QuintusFabius wrote: »
    McGiver wrote: »
    Why so? Please explain.

    You know exactly what I mean.
    Why so reluctant to just come out and say whatever it is that you're dancing around?


  • #507
    DS86DS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    Immigrants in
    Racist boards.ie posters OUT.
    Take the FG supporters with you.

    Such a patriotic Irishman.

    Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia or Sierra Leone if they are so great and you hate Ireland so much.


  • #508
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    DS86DS wrote: »
    Such a patriotic Irishman.

    Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia or Sierra Leone if they are so great and you hate Ireland so much.

    Because he's opposed to racism?


  • #509
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    PuppyMcPupFace wrote: »
    No one is saying it's a way of spotting a terrorist.

    It is however a way of showing you've no intention of leaving your backward customs behind.


    No it isn't.


  • #510
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    DS86DS wrote: »
    Such a patriotic Irishman.

    Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia or Sierra Leone if they are so great and you hate Ireland so much.




    He isn't attacking Ireland, just racists. That surely wouldn't bother you.


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  • #511
    DS86DS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    Odhinn wrote: »
    He isn't attacking Ireland, just racists. That surely wouldn't bother you.

    He's attacking Irish Nationalism and the idea of putting the people of Ireland first just as the Civil War generation who founded this state intended

    Hostile to Irish Nationalism and pro-open borders nonsense.


  • #512
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Odhinn wrote: »
    He isn't attacking Ireland, just racists. That surely wouldn't bother you.

    He's just spouting slogans really. There's little thought behind them.


  • #513
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    DS86DS wrote: »
    He's attacking Irish Nationalism and the idea of putting the people of Ireland first just as the Civil War generation who founded this state intended

    Hostile to Irish Nationalism and pro-open borders nonsense.




    No, he's just attacking racists (and FG'ers). You can see it in his post where he says

    Racist boards.ie posters OUT.
    Take the FG supporters with you
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109001897&postcount=488


    Anyhoo, as I was asking earlier, are you the Irish Trump you say this country needs?


  • #514
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    DS86DS wrote: »
    He's attacking Irish Nationalism and the idea of putting the people of Ireland first just as the Civil War generation who founded this state intended

    Hostile to Irish Nationalism and pro-open borders nonsense.

    No that's nonsense. You're attributing blame to migrants and refugees for anything you can. You most likely even believe that it's some nefarious global conspiracy. Irish nationalism was not based upon racism.


  • #515
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    batgoat wrote: »
    No that's nonsense. You're attributing blame to migrants and refugees for anything you can. You most likely even believe that it's some nefarious global conspiracy. Irish nationalism was not based upon racism.

    Please elaborate on that.


  • #516
    jochenstacker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 390 ✭✭jochenstacker


    DS86DS wrote: »
    He's attacking Irish Nationalism and the idea of putting the people of Ireland first just as the Civil War generation who founded this state intended

    Hostile to Irish Nationalism and pro-open borders nonsense.

    Well, some people don't crap their pants because of a few families from Syria.
    And in the end your point has been noted, considered and rejected.
    In the end it's thankfully not up to you, but feel free to keep bleating on about it.


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  • #517
    MarkHenderson
    Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭MarkHenderson


    DS86DS wrote: »
    Such a patriotic Irishman.

    Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia or Sierra Leone if they are so great and you hate Ireland so much.

    Just don't bring the wife if she's not prepared to wear a blanket as her daily outfit, or be gay, or have a disabled child etc...


  • #518
    DS86DS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    batgoat wrote: »
    No that's nonsense. You're attributing blame to migrants and refugees for anything you can. You most likely even believe that it's some nefarious global conspiracy. Irish nationalism was not based upon racism.

    It seems that "racist' is the new code word for been pro-Irish people in the state of Ireland.

    And what kind of nonsense, rewriting of history is that. Irish Nationalism was solely based on the will of the Irish people to govern themselves and for Ireland to belong to the Irish people. It is why it is thanks to Irish Nationalism that we had the Land Commission which gave small time Irish farmers the land that British landlords living in London had decided somewhere down the line was there's for turning a profit on

    We have never had some tepid Civic Nationalism based on a mere idea. The foundation of the Irish state and Irish Nationalism was first and foremost about putting the Irish people in charge of their destiny and the destiny of Ireland.

    No doubt this basic historical fact is uncomfortable to Liberals and pro-EU sorts with their hostile hatred for the idea of Irish Nationalism and the idea of the Irish people been an ethnicity with the ancient right to inhabit and control the destiny of Ireland.

    Open borders and EU membership are the banes of 21st century Ireland. It's high time that we take our country back, particularly with the 100th anniversary of Irish Independence approaching.


  • #519
    jochenstacker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 390 ✭✭jochenstacker


    New drinking game, every time DS86DS says "Irish" or "Ireland"


  • #520
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    "take our country back" :rolleyes:

    Take us back to the glorious 1950's.......Yawn


  • #521
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    engiweirdo wrote: »
    What about the lads fleeing from war torn France? Won't anyone think of them?

    Not the same.


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  • #522
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    DS86DS wrote: »
    It seems that "racist' is the new code word for been pro-Irish people in the state of Ireland.

    And what kind of nonsense, rewriting of history is that. Irish Nationalism was solely based on the will of the Irish people to govern themselves and for Ireland to belong to the Irish people. It is why it is thanks to Irish Nationalism that we had the Land Commission which gave small time Irish farmers the land that British landlords living in London had decided somewhere down the line was there's for turning a profit on

    We have never had some tepid Civic Nationalism based on a mere idea. The foundation of the Irish state and Irish Nationalism was first and foremost about putting the Irish people in charge of their destiny and the destiny of Ireland.

    No doubt this basic historical fact is uncomfortable to Liberals and pro-EU sorts with their hostile hatred for the idea of Irish Nationalism and the idea of the Irish people been an ethnicity with the ancient right to inhabit and control the destiny of Ireland.

    Open borders and EU membership are the banes of 21st century Ireland. It's high time that we take our country back, particularly with the 100th anniversary of Irish Independence approaching.


    So you've a problem with the Poles, latvians, lithuanians, romanians etc?


  • #523
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    DS86DS wrote: »
    It seems that "racist' is the new code word for been pro-Irish people in the state of Ireland.

    And what kind of nonsense, rewriting of history is that. Irish Nationalism was solely based on the will of the Irish people to govern themselves and for Ireland to belong to the Irish people. It is why it is thanks to Irish Nationalism that we had the Land Commission which gave small time Irish farmers the land that British landlords living in London had decided somewhere down the line was there's for turning a profit on

    We have never had some tepid Civic Nationalism based on a mere idea. The foundation of the Irish state and Irish Nationalism was first and foremost about putting the Irish people in charge of their destiny and the destiny of Ireland.

    No doubt this basic historical fact is uncomfortable to Liberals and pro-EU sorts with their hostile hatred for the idea of Irish Nationalism and the idea of the Irish people been an ethnicity with the ancient right to inhabit and control the destiny of Ireland.

    Open borders and EU membership are the banes of 21st century Ireland. It's high time that we take our country back, particularly with the 100th anniversary of Irish Independence approaching.

    What a rant. We never gave up our sovereignty so buying into pro brexit arguments doesn't really work. We also gained an economy that would not be possible without the EU. Irish nationalism does not equal immigration being bad, even de Valera was an immigrant.

    In fact, the likes of James Connolly was the antithesis of your viewpoint, he was a Marxist. You think there's a big global conspiracy by the communists, don't you? :rolleyes:

    So overall, your idea that Irish nationalism is a justification for racism is rubbish, people who are fine with immigrants or refugees are not 'anti-Irish'. Our country hasn't been taken off of us, we don't need a Donald Trump and the reality is most leaders throughout the ages would have viewed him as a blubbering moron.


  • #524
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    batgoat wrote: »
    Irish nationalism was not based upon racism.

    I'll ask you again - please elaborate on this statement.


  • #525
    DS86DS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭DS86DS


    batgoat wrote: »
    What a rant. We never gave up our sovereignty so buying into pro brexit arguments doesn't really work. We also gained an economy that would not be possible without the EU. Irish nationalism does not equal immigration being bad, even de Valera was an immigrant.

    In fact, the likes of James Connolly was the antithesis of your viewpoint, he was a Marxist. You think there's a big global conspiracy by the communists, don't you? :rolleyes:

    So overall, your idea that Irish nationalism is a justification for racism is rubbish, people who are fine with immigrants or refugees are not 'anti-Irish'. Our country hasn't been taken off of us, we don't need a Donald Trump and the reality is most leaders throughout the ages would have viewed him as a blubbering moron.

    You underestimate the Irish people. There is a large silent majority who are afraid to voice their opinions due to obnoxious leftist thugs who will shout them down the second they dare raise an opinion that leftists disagree with.

    And as for James Connolly. Since when did his vision of Ireland come to fruition? The Irish people choose Nationalism over his brand of Socialism and thankfully so.

    James Connolly would not get elected today anymore than he would at any other time in the State's history. The Irish are a fundamentally conservative lot. Although I still respect the man and he was a nationalist in his own right and fought for Ireland, unlike our leaders today.

    We are only experiencing such rapid and destructive changes due to a few traitors who hold Ireland in contempt. The people who run the media and universities with an agenda, and then brainwash the gullible with their Cultural Marxist indoctrination.

    It's obvious that many gullible people here have fallen for it. But this site is a liberal anomaly in an otherwise conservative society.

    And anybody who tries to claim that the EU doesn't impact on Irish sovereignty is not only lying, but doing a terrible job of it


  • #526
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    ...Ireland for the Irish.

    - James Connolly
    Ireland without her people is nothing to me

    - James Connolly


  • #527
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    DS86DS wrote: »
    You underestimate the Irish people. There is a large silent majority who are afraid to voice their opinions due to obnoxious leftist thugs who will shout them down the second they dare raise an opinion that leftists disagree with.

    And as for James Connolly. Since when did his vision of Ireland come to fruition? The Irish people choose Nationalism over his brand of Socialism and thankfully so.

    James Connolly would not get elected todayz anymore than he would at any other time in the State's history. The Irish are a fundamentally conservative lot.

    We are only experiencing such rapid and destructive changes due to a few traitors who hold Ireland in contempt. The people who run the media and universities with an agenda, and then brainwash the gullible with their Cultural Marxist indoctrination.

    It's obvious that many gullible people here have fallen for it. But this site is a liberal anomaly in an otherwise conservative society.

    And anybody who tries to claim that the EU doesn't impact on Irish sovereignty is not only lying, but doing a terrible job of it


    You've a problem with the Poles, latvians, lithuanians, romanians?


  • #528
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,480 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    DS86DS wrote: »
    It seems that "racist' is the new code word for been pro-Irish people in the state of Ireland.

    And what kind of nonsense, rewriting of history is that. Irish Nationalism was solely based on the will of the Irish people to govern themselves and for Ireland to belong to the Irish people. It is why it is thanks to Irish Nationalism that we had the Land Commission which gave small time Irish farmers the land that British landlords living in London had decided somewhere down the line was there's for turning a profit on

    We have never had some tepid Civic Nationalism based on a mere idea. The foundation of the Irish state and Irish Nationalism was first and foremost about putting the Irish people in charge of their destiny and the destiny of Ireland.

    No doubt this basic historical fact is uncomfortable to Liberals and pro-EU sorts with their hostile hatred for the idea of Irish Nationalism and the idea of the Irish people been an ethnicity with the ancient right to inhabit and control the destiny of Ireland.

    Open borders and EU membership are the banes of 21st century Ireland. It's high time that we take our country back, particularly with the 100th anniversary of Irish Independence approaching.

    I don’t see EU membership as being the real problem at all as the vast majority of our fellow Europeans don’t want open borders to the Middle East or Africa either, for obvious reasons.
    There’s just a very vocal minority of virtue signallers that have an over bearing influence on policy and have been primarily using guilt and shame to force the pro migrant agenda on the rest of us- they’ve been very successful up to now but I think we are seeing a turn away from this now by ordinary people, particularly on the continent where the consequences are most acute.


  • #529
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,480 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Odhinn wrote: »
    You've a problem with the Poles, latvians, lithuanians, romanians?

    I don’t do long as they’re working and not riding the welfare gravy train.


  • #530
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,181 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    road_high wrote: »
    I don’t do long as they’re working and not riding the welfare gravy train.

    What about the lazy Irish?


  • #531
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Odhinn wrote: »
    You've a problem with the Poles, latvians, lithuanians, romanians?

    You would, if you knew what you were talking about.

    Poles as a general rule have NO patience with this kind of virtue-signalling bs.

    Honestly, the mental gymnasics involved in being a one-world drivel merchant. How can you be bothered ?


    .


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  • #532
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    You would, if your right-on hand-wringing wasn't tying you up in knots.

    Poles don't have a lot of patience with virtue-signalling one-world bs .
    I've worked with lots of Polish people over the years. Plenty of them are horrified with the right wing stances of their government and the direction their country is going. I won't really be setting it as an aim when the Polish government have been actively trying to hijack their judiciary.
    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    - James Connolly



    - James Connolly

    This doesn't indicate him being favourable to racism or an anti-immigration stance. He himself was born in Scotland.


  • #533
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,480 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    What about the lazy Irish?

    What can we do? We can’t export them.
    So there’s absolutely no point importing even more...!
    Cut welfare for them all which I’m all in favor of, rewarding workers. Unfortunately Leo and co are not too keen on that


  • #534
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    DS86DS wrote: »
    batgoat wrote: »
    What a rant. We never gave up our sovereignty so buying into pro brexit arguments doesn't really work. We also gained an economy that would not be possible without the EU. Irish nationalism does not equal immigration being bad, even de Valera was an immigrant.

    In fact, the likes of James Connolly was the antithesis of your viewpoint, he was a Marxist. You think there's a big global conspiracy by the communists, don't you? :rolleyes:

    So overall, your idea that Irish nationalism is a justification for racism is rubbish, people who are fine with immigrants or refugees are not 'anti-Irish'. Our country hasn't been taken off of us, we don't need a Donald Trump and the reality is most leaders throughout the ages would have viewed him as a blubbering moron.

    You underestimate the Irish people. There is a large silent majority who are afraid to voice their opinions due to obnoxious leftist thugs who will shout them down the second they dare raise an opinion that leftists disagree with.
    Ah yes, Ireland's mysterious "silent majority" that are so silent they forget to ever vote. Identity Ireland got something like 1% last election, get out of that little fantasy land you've built inside your head. It's leading you to all kinds of stupidity like accidentally calling for ireland to take more migrants from Kazakhstan due to their higher IQs.


  • #535
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,181 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    road_high wrote: »
    What can we do? We can’t export them. Cut welfare for them all which I’m all in favor of, rewarding workers. Unfortunately Leo and co are not too keen on that

    That is a fact


  • #536
    PuppyMcPupFace
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 255 ✭✭PuppyMcPupFace


    end of the road wrote: »
    how is it. as i said above, the person refusing to shake the hand may have met the person who's hand they are expected to shake before, and may just not like them. nothing to do with them being the opposite sex. perhapse they don't like shaking hands with anyone at any time. they may even have a varient of OCD by where they have issues touching strangers. all sorts of possibilities that ultimately make shaking hands as a test for anything unviable and unworkable and unreliable.

    Jesus you're delusional.


  • #537
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    batgoat wrote: »
    I've worked with lots of Polish people over the years. Plenty of them are horrified with the right wing stances of their government and the direction their country is going. I won't really be setting it as an aim when the Polish government have been actively trying to hijack their judiciary.

    Yeah, yeah. Don't change the subject.

    They are horrified by the direction their government is taking because it is oppressive to the Polish people.

    Poland is a tough place in terms of how the state treats it's own citizens. Ordinary life is very much more bureaucratically oppressive that we are accustomed to here.

    But the Poles are not generally offended by the lurch to the right in Polish politics on the grounds of being embarrassed that it might offend the sensibilities of open-doors merchants.
    This doesn't indicate an opposition to racism or an anti-immigration stance. He himself was born in Scotland.

    It does indicate that the needs of the Irish people should have primacy.

    This is just common sense. The Irish state exists to protect the interests of Irish people. If it doesn't do that, it has no reason to exist.


  • #538
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,585 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    DS86DS wrote: »
    No it isn't a poor measure of ability. It is the most scientifically accurate and most tested form of intelligence grading that we have and has stood the test of time. Science and statistics don't lie, it's all there in plain sight.

    https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

    It is widely acknowledged as a poor measure of ability. It only measure one aspect of what makes up intelligence.

    Again. What is your obsession with it? Do you believe IQ is determined by race?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #539
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    Seeing people use James Connolly or any other 1916 rising member to somehow justify whatever random horrible ****e they believe is beyond pathetic.


  • #540
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    97 is the number below which things fall apart.
    among others psychologists Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen, who have found staggering correlations between national IQ and things like health, education, income, crime, corruption, democracy.

    https://staffanspersonalityblog.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/the-iq-breaking-point-how-civilized-society-is-maintained-or-lost/


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  • #541
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    97 is the number below which things fall apart.
    among others psychologists Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen, who have found staggering correlations between national IQ and things like health, education, income, crime, corruption, democracy.

    https://staffanspersonalityblog.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/the-iq-breaking-point-how-civilized-society-is-maintained-or-lost/
    Then we've got a problem: Ireland's average IQ is 92.

    https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html


  • #542
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Kiith wrote: »
    Seeing people use James Connolly or any other 1916 rising member to somehow justify whatever random horrible ****e they believe is beyond pathetic.

    Not as pathetic as your uninformed commentary.

    I asked him twice to elaborate on his statement...

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109002775&postcount=515


    Anyway, have a little bit of Tom Clarke, signatory of the 1916 Proclamation, as referenced by Diarmuid Ferriter in his review of Gerard MacTasney's 'Life, Liberty, Revolution'
    'THERE ARE ANY AMOUNT OF N.IGGERS LIVING HEREABOUTS AND WE IRISH AS A RULE DON'T CARE FOR COMING TOO MUCH INTO CONTACT WITH THOSE ABSURD FOLKS'

    - Irish Times Weekend supplement 16 March 2013

    From a letter written when Clarke was living in America, 1900.

    .


  • #543
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,149 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    DS86DS wrote: »
    He's attacking Irish Nationalism and the idea of putting the people of Ireland first just as the Civil War generation who founded this state intended

    Hostile to Irish Nationalism and pro-open borders nonsense.

    no he's not. He's attacking racism and bigotry. that is in turn true nationalism and putting irish and all people first. racism is not nationalism and your brand of nationalism does not put irish people or anyone first. and again, there are no pro-open borders people in this thread.
    DS86DS wrote: »
    It seems that "racist' is the new code word for been pro-Irish people in the state of Ireland.

    And what kind of nonsense, rewriting of history is that. Irish Nationalism was solely based on the will of the Irish people to govern themselves and for Ireland to belong to the Irish people. It is why it is thanks to Irish Nationalism that we had the Land Commission which gave small time Irish farmers the land that British landlords living in London had decided somewhere down the line was there's for turning a profit on

    We have never had some tepid Civic Nationalism based on a mere idea. The foundation of the Irish state and Irish Nationalism was first and foremost about putting the Irish people in charge of their destiny and the destiny of Ireland.

    No doubt this basic historical fact is uncomfortable to Liberals and pro-EU sorts with their hostile hatred for the idea of Irish Nationalism and the idea of the Irish people been an ethnicity with the ancient right to inhabit and control the destiny of Ireland.

    Open borders and EU membership are the banes of 21st century Ireland. It's high time that we take our country back, particularly with the 100th anniversary of Irish Independence approaching.

    racist is not the code word for supposibly being "pro-irish people in the state of ireland" . irish nationalism remains to be based on the will of the irish people to govern themselves and to be in charge of our own destiny. for ireland to belong to the irish people. it is not based on being bigoted, racist or discriminatory to other people however and that brand of nationalism is constantly rejected by the majority quite rightly. so there is no re-writing of history in relation to what nationalism is about, just people telling the actual truth of what nationalism really is
    there are no open borders in ireland. there is very little support for open borders in ireland. we do not have any policies that allow for or relate to open borders in ireland. the EU while it has many faults, has been good for ireland. without it ireland would still be back in the 1950s in terms of infrastructure and more. we have our country, nobody has taken it. there is nobody for us to take it back from. we govern ourselves, and the politicians and those who elect them are responsible for the issues. the brand of nationalism you subscribe to is not welcome in ireland.
    DS86DS wrote: »
    You underestimate the Irish people. There is a large silent majority who are afraid to voice their opinions due to obnoxious leftist thugs who will shout them down the second they dare raise an opinion that leftists disagree with.

    And as for James Connolly. Since when did his vision of Ireland come to fruition? The Irish people choose Nationalism over his brand of Socialism and thankfully so.

    James Connolly would not get elected today anymore than he would at any other time in the State's history. The Irish are a fundamentally conservative lot. Although I still respect the man and he was a nationalist in his own right and fought for Ireland, unlike our leaders today.

    We are only experiencing such rapid and destructive changes due to a few traitors who hold Ireland in contempt. The people who run the media and universities with an agenda, and then brainwash the gullible with their Cultural Marxist indoctrination.

    It's obvious that many gullible people here have fallen for it. But this site is a liberal anomaly in an otherwise conservative society.

    And anybody who tries to claim that the EU doesn't impact on Irish sovereignty is not only lying, but doing a terrible job of it


    there is supposibly a "silent majority" yet your brand of nationalism continues to be rejected large scale. how is that possible. it's not the fault of the media, the liberals, the leftists or the universities or anyone else that the actual majority have no time for your brand of nationalism or conservatism.
    road_high wrote: »
    What can we do? We can’t export them. Cut welfare for them all which I’m all in favor of, rewarding workers. Unfortunately Leo and co are not too keen on that

    because they realise it's ultimately not a workible idea and that it won't bring the outcomes people would hope for.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #544
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Then we've got a problem: Ireland's average IQ is 92.

    https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

    OR, if you had read the link...
    One implication, if this turns out to be true, is that immigration could pose a serious threat to the West, especially those countries and regions that are closest to the breaking point. The sad part is that since everything is going so well at 98 they may dismiss this risk. This is especially true for those countries and states who are right at 98 and whose immigrants have the lowest IQs, for instance France or Texas. As for California that state has now clearly passed the breaking point, it will be interesting to see if they will break the pattern. I suspect they won’t, given that the few countries that do fairly well below 98 (Ireland, Slovenia, Uruguay etc) are all small and lacking in diversity, which is the opposite of California.

    :D


  • #545
    TeaBagMania
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭TeaBagMania


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Originally Posted by Billy86 View Post
    Then we've got a problem: Ireland's average IQ is 92.

    https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html


    :D

    LOL i about fell off my chair laughing, Italy ranked number 5 with a 102 IQ

    that chart just lost all credibility


  • #546
    enricoh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,972 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Ah yes, Ireland's mysterious "silent majority" that are so silent they forget to ever vote. Identity Ireland got something like 1% last election, get out of that little fantasy land you've built inside your head. It's leading you to all kinds of stupidity like accidentally calling for ireland to take more migrants from Kazakhstan due to their higher IQs.

    Not a silent majority but 23% voted for casey when he asked a few questions about travelers n the irish welfare state.
    In the last census iirc 17% of population was foreign but 33% of the homeless list are foreign. Who's enriching who?


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  • #547
    123balltv
    Registered Users Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭123balltv


    If I can't get into Australia with little money or good qualifications
    give the economic migrants the boot


  • #548
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    Not as pathetic as your uninformed commentary.

    I asked him twice to elaborate on his statement...

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109002775&postcount=515


    Anyway, have a little bit of Tom Clarke, signatory of the 1916 Proclamation, as referenced by Diarmuid Ferriter in his review of Gerard MacTasney's 'Life, Liberty, Revolution'



    - Irish Times Weekend supplement 16 March 2013

    From a letter written when Clarke was living in America, 1900.

    .

    I know you did, while plenty of our revolutionaries may have held racist views. There was no tenet of our state's foundation that relied upon racism. You're merely trying to find one that does justify it. It's a bit telling that you really want to legitimise racism as core to Irish nationalism, do you think racism is good?


  • #549
    enricoh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,972 ✭✭✭enricoh


    123balltv wrote: »
    If I can't get into Australia with little money or good qualifications
    give the economic migrants the boot

    The uk is bringing in that migrants must earn the average wage to live there, i wonder where the spongers will go instead?!! -

    A consultation on a minimum salary requirement of £30,000 for skilled migrants seeking five-year visas


  • #550
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    batgoat wrote: »
    I know you did, while plenty of our revolutionaries may have held racist views. There was no tenet of our state's foundation that relied upon racism.

    You see, now you're moving the goalposts. You originally said -
    Irish nationalism was not based upon racism.

    But now you want to squirm and change it to -
    no tenet of our state's foundation... relied upon racism

    Those are two quite distinct things, not least given that Irish nationalism long pre-dates the foundation of our state.


    To take your original statement, which is what I asked you to clarify -

    ... you're now telling me that 'plenty' of our revolutionaries 'may have' held racist views.

    What's your evidence for that, and how does it reconcile with your original statement ?

    In other words, considering the sacrifices they made, do you think the attitudes you attribute to them would have been merely incidental to how they would have wished the republic to develop ?


  • #551
    batgoat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    You see, now you're moving the goalposts. You originally said -



    But now you want to squirm and change it to -



    Those are two quite distinct things, not least given that Irish nationalism long pre-dates the foundation of our state.


    To take your original statement, which is what I asked you to clarify -

    ... you're now telling me that 'plenty' of our revolutionaries 'may have' held racist views.

    What's your evidence for that, and how does it reconcile with your original statement ?

    And you still haven't provided a basis that it actually held a role in Irish nationalism or defined an aspect of Irish nationalism. Would you like us to be a bit more racist or something? Cause you seem to have a longing.


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