Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

weldoninhio · 22-10-2019 1:35pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Which is locking people up in a prison type system. Why do asylum seekers have to be locked way from Irish people? Why do you want to create a massive ghetto in Meath?

The people currently in Mosney are not locked up. :rolleyes:

Gatling · 22-10-2019 1:41pm

alastair wrote: »

It’s a nonsensical story that never happened. That’s why you won’t read anything about it.

A bit like your claim of deportations .

1800 in ten years ,

7500 + not deported but 60,000 have been through dp now we have some the highest refusal rates yet very few deportations .

Seems like this lie isn't going away

enricoh · 22-10-2019 1:42pm

Anyone know who it is thats says yay or nay to the asylum seekers when they present their case?
Rejection rates used to be 90 odd% n are now 70 odd % iirc.
There was a fella on lmfm local radio interviewed a couple of years ago that used to sit on the panel. He more or less said he was replaced due to his low spoofer threshold and one of the refugee quangos picked a more suitable (for them!) replacement.

alastair · 22-10-2019 1:42pm

Gatling wrote: »

A bit like your claim of deportations .

1800 in ten years ,

7500 + not deported but 60,000 have been through dp now we have some the highest refusal rates yet very few deportations .

Seems like this lie isn't going away

Unlike those issued with deportation orders - who have.

Gatling · 22-10-2019 1:44pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

The people currently in Mosney are not locked up. :rolleyes:

Most seem to have cars love to know who is funding the car , insurance and tax being how little they receive in SW

Annasopra · 22-10-2019 1:44pm

splinter65 wrote: »

Asylum seekers cannot work legally and cannot claim SW. people need money to live. How do you propose they live from day to day?

You dont even seem to know what you are talking about

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/services_for_asylum_seekers_in_ireland/direct_provision.html

Annasopra · 22-10-2019 1:47pm

blueshade wrote: »

You'll be lucky. It was acknowledged by the government at that time but has been well buried since then. I wonder how many others there were. I've no doubt you'll snigger, poo poo it and get a giggle from it. But the people on housing lists when those 70 people were put ahead of them won't have found it funny anymore than anyone on a housing list in any town or village in Ireland is finding it funny when an African, Pakistani or Bangladeshi family is put into a property ahead of them based on nothing but skin colour and a well rehearsed bogus sob story.

So basically you are making fake news and spreading it as far right propaganda

Annasopra · 22-10-2019 1:50pm

blueshade wrote: »

On page 5 the Minister for Justice states that the average person granted asylum here requests family reunification for 20 relative and the largest request has been for 70. Oxfam refutes that, but then they would, they need that taxpayer funded NGO money. A long time ago a different Minister for Justice stated that the vast majority of asylum seekers are spoofers who should be stopped at the airport.

https://www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/3678-Oxfam-Refugee-Report_FINAL.pdf

Their asylum claims were a crock of ****e 14 years ago and nothing has changed.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mcdowell-rubbishes-tall-stories-of-some-asylum-seekers-25985727.html

Your link does not prove that 1 person was granted leave to be reunited with 70 family members. You are clearly spreading fake news.

Beasty · 22-10-2019 1:53pm

blueshade wrote: »

You'll be lucky. It was acknowledged by the government at that time but has been well buried since then. I wonder how many others there were. I've no doubt you'll snigger, poo poo it and get a giggle from it. But the people on housing lists when those 70 people were put ahead of them won't have found it funny anymore than anyone on a housing list in any town or village in Ireland is finding it funny when an African, Pakistani or Bangladeshi family is put into a property ahead of them based on nothing but skin colour and a well rehearsed bogus sob story.

blueshade is now forum banned for a while, and when back is banned from posting in this thread again, so please do not respond further to their posts

Thanks

splinter65 · 22-10-2019 1:58pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

You dont even seem to know what you are talking about

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/services_for_asylum_seekers_in_ireland/direct_provision.html

They have to wait 9 months before they can apply for permission to work. Then they have to wait for permission to be granted. Then that permission is only granted for 6 months before they have to apply for further permission. Why do people not know these things?

alastair · 22-10-2019 2:00pm

enricoh wrote: »

Anyone know who it is thats says yay or nay to the asylum seekers when they present their case?
Rejection rates used to be 90 odd% n are now 70 odd % iirc.
There was a fella on lmfm local radio interviewed a couple of years ago that used to sit on the panel. He more or less said he was replaced due to his low spoofer threshold and one of the refugee quangos picked a more suitable (for them!) replacement.

The stats haven’t really changed. The 70% aberration is on account of a glut of Syrian refugees who were essentially all accepted. The ratio of successful claims outside the Syrians remains around 10%. The claims are assessed by international protection officers - who’s role is to investigate the evidence presented by the claimants with the situation in their home country. Given the low ratio of successful claims, it’s rather unlikely your fella would be replaced due to his level of rejections.

alastair · 22-10-2019 2:03pm

Gatling wrote: »

Most seem to have cars love to know who is funding the car , insurance and tax being how little they receive in SW

You get that asylum seekers are not all necessarily impoverished? They can have savings to use for buying and running a car? And there are 600 asylum seekers in Mosney. Most clearly do not have cars.

Working class heroes · 22-10-2019 2:23pm

splinter65 wrote: »

So you got a link but you don’t like the link and you want another link. Now you say that the protest group are lying and I’m lying.
You sarcastically suggested that I wouldn’t like to be referred to as a bull****ter but now I am the passive aggressive person.
All of the protestors in all of the towns and all of their supporters have been brainwashed by right wing propoganda including the Nigerian woman who was an asylum seeker herself but who is to the forefront of the protest.
Hmmm. I see.....

No. You provided a link which stated a group of people are claiming the same thing you are claiming. I asked you for a link to verify that claim. Do you see the difference. Now, can you verify your claim or not? As I have already said I’ll gladly accept it if you can.

Gatling · 22-10-2019 2:31pm

alastair wrote: »

You get that asylum seekers are not all necessarily impoverished?

So why are we the taxpayer paying hundreds of millions for housing and tens of millions on free legal aid ,if these migrants /asylum seekers can afford to pay there own way ??

alastair · 22-10-2019 2:39pm

Gatling wrote: »

So why are we the taxpayer paying hundreds of millions for housing and tens of millions on free legal aid ,if these migrants /asylum seekers can afford to pay there own way ??

Because there’s a difference between a minority being able to afford to run a car for their family, and being able to pay for legal services. Legal aid is means tested for asylum seekers, just as it is for everyone else. If there’s asylum seekers who have plenty of money, they can opt to accommodate themselves.

Geuze · 22-10-2019 2:40pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Which is locking people up in a prison type system. Why do asylum seekers have to be locked way from Irish people? Why do you want to create a massive ghetto in Meath?

AS are perfectly free to leave DP any time they like.

They initially have to wait for their decision.

After that, they choose to appeal, and appeal, and so must stay in DP.

alastair · 22-10-2019 2:57pm

Geuze wrote: »

AS are perfectly free to leave DP any time they like.

They initially have to wait for their decision.

After that, they choose to appeal, and appeal, and so must stay in DP.

He was responding to a suggestion that Mosney be expanded and have security around it. Which sounds pretty much like a prison.

Beechwoodspark · 22-10-2019 3:11pm

Ppl are focusing on the security aspect

There should be some level of security in a facility housing minors and vulnerable ppl.

Leave that as a given to one side. The advantage of having a centralized asylum centre is you can scale up the facilities education healthcare integration courses etc. and it’s a one stop shop. It’s a win win for the asylum seekers and also the centres around the country can be closed down and converted into accommodation for ppl on the long term housing list

alastair · 22-10-2019 3:18pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Ppl are focusing on the security aspect

There should be some level of security in a facility housing minors and vulnerable ppl.

Just like there is on every school in the country? 🙄

Boggles · 22-10-2019 3:19pm

Gatling wrote: »

A bit like your claim of deportations .

1800 in ten years ,

7500 + not deported but 60,000 have been through dp now we have some the highest refusal rates yet very few deportations .

Seems like this lie isn't going away

Are you suggesting there is 67,500 failed asylum seekers still living in the country.

2 questions.

How?

Where?

Gatling wrote: »

Most seem to have cars love to know who is funding the car , insurance and tax being how little they receive in SW

Asylum Seekers are not entitled to a drivers license.

Have you proof of your claim that "most" have cars?

Gatling · 22-10-2019 3:21pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Ppl are focusing on the security aspect

There should be some level of security in a facility housing minors and vulnerable ppl.

Leave that as a given to one side. The advantage of having a centralized asylum centre is you can scale up the facilities education healthcare integration courses etc. and it’s a one stop shop. It’s a win win for the asylum seekers and also the centres around the country can be closed down and converted into accommodation for ppl on the long term housing list

Too much common sense in this post .

Too bad the boo boys have nothing to say other than makey up opinion masqueraded as fact

alastair · 22-10-2019 3:31pm

Boggles wrote: »

Asylum Seekers are not entitled to a drivers license.

Have you proof of your claim that "most" have cars?

Of course he doesn’t. There’s 730 residents in Mosney, and on any given day there’s about 80 cars in the car park - including those owned by the staff. Some asylum seekers there do have cars.

A foreign/international driving licence will suffice legally for a year’s driving, and less legally, for the remainder of the time spent in DP.

Gatling · 22-10-2019 4:19pm

alastair wrote: »

There’s 730 residents in Mosney, and on any given day there’s about 80 cars in the car park - including those owned by the staff. Some asylum seekers there do have cars.

Have you actually counted the cars in money at all not being bad you have made multiple claims that you couldn't back up ,

Did you suggest you were in galway previously but now you know how many cars are in mosney which one is it

alastair · 22-10-2019 4:22pm

Gatling wrote: »

Have you actually counted the cars in money at all not being bad you have made multiple claims that you couldn't back up ,

Did you suggest you were in galway previously but now you know how many cars are in mosney which one is it

I tried. But I can make no sense of the above.

Gatling · 22-10-2019 4:41pm

alastair wrote: »

I tried. But I can make no sense of the above.

It's pretty clear ,

Or is this another case of you can't back up anything

Boggles · 22-10-2019 4:44pm

Gatling wrote: »

It's pretty clear ,

Or is this another case of you can't back up anything

Speaking of backing things up, when you get a chance could you answer the below please.

Boggles wrote: »

Are you suggesting there is 67,500 failed asylum seekers still living in the country.

2 questions.

How?

Where?

Have you proof of your claim that "most" have cars?

alastair · 22-10-2019 4:48pm

Gatling wrote: »

It's pretty clear ,

Or is this another case of you can't back up anything

It’s really not. Try reframing it in English.

22-10-2019 4:48pm

splinter65 wrote: »

They have to wait 9 months before they can apply for permission to work. Then they have to wait for permission to be granted. Then that permission is only granted for 6 months before they have to apply for further permission. Why do people not know these things?

As an immigrant yourself, how long do you think they should have to wait until they can work?

Gatling · 22-10-2019 5:17pm

Boggles wrote: »

Speaking of backing things up, when you get a chance could you answer the below please.

Please leave a message after the tone ......

Gatling · 22-10-2019 5:18pm

alastair wrote: »

It’s really not. Try reframing it in English.

Nice herrr grammar Nazi

Still won't change a thing

alastair · 22-10-2019 5:20pm

Gatling wrote: »

Nice herrr grammar Nazi

Still won't change a thing

I thought so.

Still waters · 22-10-2019 5:31pm

Boggles wrote: »

Same ones they have made to the likes Lisdoonvarna I imagine.

Still waters wrote: »

In what way is it thriving if you don't mind me asking to explain your point

Boggles wrote: »

Speaking of backing things up, when you get a chance could you answer the below please.

Take some of your own advice there bogsie, will you answer my question or are you selective with which questions you do answer

Mr. teddywinkles · 22-10-2019 6:10pm

There's skin in the game with some people here definitely

Boggles · 22-10-2019 6:34pm

Still waters wrote: »

Take some of your own advice there bogsie, will you answer my question or are you selective with which questions you do answer

Relax lad, I didn't see your question.

I have friends that are from the area who echo the various positive stories written about it.

Why do you seem so shocked that asylum seekers would have a positive effect on a local community?

Beasty · 22-10-2019 6:39pm

Please could everyone re-read the mod warning in the OP - threadbans, cards and bans may be on the way to some that don't (and indeed anyone that does and chooses to ignore it)

Fair warning

any questions, please PM me

Still waters · 22-10-2019 6:43pm

Boggles wrote: »

Relax lad, I didn't see your question.

I have friends that are from the area who echo the various positive stories written about it.

Why do you seem so shocked that asylum seekers would have a positive effect on a local community?

Like what though, i haven't seen it myself, lisdoonvarna is dying on its feet, what has the introduction of a dp centre done to enhance the local area

LoughNeagh2017 · 22-10-2019 7:01pm

Imagine joining the housing list as a single man in 2019, you can't win as a single Irishman in 2019, you be laughed at for living with your mother by the same people who are put at the top of the housing list. You can keep your housing list and I'll maybe inherit my fathers rural bungalow, I think I have earned it too the amount of times I have to mow the lawns in it.

mvl · 22-10-2019 7:57pm

enricoh wrote: »

Anyone know who it is thats says yay or nay to the asylum seekers when they present their case?
Rejection rates used to be 90 odd% n are now 70 odd % iirc.
There was a fella on lmfm local radio interviewed a couple of years ago that used to sit on the panel. He more or less said he was replaced due to his low spoofer threshold and one of the refugee quangos picked a more suitable (for them!) replacement.

looking at some stats for this year - so few are rejected from first applicants:
Q1 - rejected 37 out of 300
Q2 - rejected 32 out of 420

pinkyeye · 22-10-2019 9:38pm

It's amazing the amount of posts here that can't even reach the standard of leaving cert English and yet want to get rid of all the "fordeners"

splinter65 · 22-10-2019 9:47pm

pinkyeye wrote: »

It's amazing the amount of posts here that can't even reach the standard of leaving cert English and yet want to get rid of all the "fordeners"

Can you give us some examples?

Mr. teddywinkles · 22-10-2019 10:01pm

pinkyeye wrote: »

It's amazing the amount of posts here that can't even reach the standard of leaving cert English and yet want to get rid of all the "fordeners"

Illiteracy is rampant alright. Some people can't read points being made.

alastair · 22-10-2019 10:23pm

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Illiteracy is rampant alright. Some people can't read points being made.

Gibberish makes no point.

biko · 23-10-2019 10:02am

You guys needs to be more sensitive to people with dyslexia.

Or that just never picked up a book in their lives.

Ronin247 · 23-10-2019 11:51am

biko wrote: »

You guys needs to be more sensitive to people with dyslexia.

Or that just never picked up a book in their lives.

Its ok, they have invented a cure for Dyslexia, which is music to my arse.

PostWoke · 23-10-2019 12:09pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Which is locking people up in a prison type system. Why do asylum seekers have to be locked way from Irish people? Why do you want to create a massive ghetto in Meath?

There is plenty of evidence of asylum scammers and even legitimate fugees engaging in anti-social behaviour, arson, and even sexual assault. Please use your virtue signalling to also pretend to care about the innocents harmed by these acts.

Google around if you want. I won't be your babysitter on it.

alastair wrote: »

All asylum seekers with deportation orders leave the country - the only exception being those who receive a ministerial order of protection - very rare. The vast majority leave the country without a need for enforcement, the notion that the only deportees are those who’s order requires enforcement is bizarre, to say the least.

Proof?

Oh yeah, you have none.

New thread I suppose, but maybe you should be thread banned on the topic instead of individual threads on the topic because you utilize the same tactics every time and they just aren't working for you...

alastair wrote: »

Simple. It didn’t happen.

As to refugees returning to Syria - there’s never any obligation on refugees to return at all. Never was. Many will take up Irish citizenship.

Yeah this should not be happening. We safeguard genuine cases while the conflict goes on, but they should be returning home to rebuild once it's over. Why is 'caught up in a war 10 years ago' suddenly better than 'Masters Graduate' for permission to be in a foreign country? Having a great education and skillset has you down at immigration renewing every year but fleeing war gets you lifetime access? Nonsensical.

john4321 wrote: »

Where in the link does it say that the request was granted?

Does it matter? It's proof that there are asylum scammers out there, and yours and other people's answer to that is not to show concern, but to sealion instead?

weldoninhio wrote: »

The people currently in Mosney are not locked up. :rolleyes:

Now now don't be messing with joey's plan to say something repeatedly until he can get everyone around him to accept it as fact.

PRISONS PRISONS PRISONS

Annasopra · 23-10-2019 12:19pm

PostWoke wrote: »

There is plenty of evidence of asylum scammers and even legitimate fugees engaging in anti-social behaviour, arson, and even sexual assault. Please use your virtue signalling to also pretend to care about the innocents harmed by these acts.

Google around if you want. I won't be your babysitter on it.

Proof?

Oh yeah, you have none.

New thread I suppose, but maybe you should be thread banned on the topic instead of individual threads on the topic because you utilize the same tactics every time and they just aren't working for you...

Yeah this should not be happening. We safeguard genuine cases while the conflict goes on, but they should be returning home to rebuild once it's over. Why is 'caught up in a war 10 years ago' suddenly better than 'Masters Graduate' for permission to be in a foreign country? Having a great education and skillset has you down at immigration renewing every year but fleeing war gets you lifetime access? Nonsensical.

Does it matter? It's proof that there are asylum scammers out there, and yours and other people's answer to that is not to show concern, but to sealion instead?

Now now don't be messing with joey's plan to say something repeatedly until he can get everyone around him to accept it as fact.

PRISONS PRISONS PRISONS

As opposed to your far right rhetoric?

PostWoke · 23-10-2019 12:23pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

As opposed to your far right rhetoric?

lmfao more deflecting. I'm extremely progressive and moderate leaning mate I just don't accept scammers who endanger innocents. And it shouldn't be easier for scammers with nothing to offer to live in their country of choice than people who have worked all their lives.

Don't think many far righters are particularly keen on taking in genuine cases like Syrians/Rohynghia, you might wanna read my posts until you understand them fully...

The Satanist · 23-10-2019 12:29pm

There is no far right in Ireland. It's a childish bogeyman used by the left to legitimise their own policies.

Evidence: every single election since the foundation of the state. Even mild, economic right wing parties struggle for any support (PDs, Renua).

Beasty · 23-10-2019 12:35pm

PostWoke wrote: »

New thread I suppose, but maybe you should be thread banned on the topic instead of individual threads on the topic because you utilize the same tactics every time and they just aren't working for you...

Your application to be a moderator on this forum is being considered. Alas I'm not very hopeful for you at this stage. Could you therefore leave the modding to the mods until and unless your appointment is confirmed

Any questions, please PM me

PostWoke · 23-10-2019 12:35pm

The Satanist wrote: »

There is no far right in Ireland.

Completely incorrect, in fact from what I'm seeing, this website is riddled with them and is probably their primary stomping ground.

Related breaking news;

Will be interested to see where these individuals hailed from, and if the driver is actually guilty of anything or is just being thrown under the bus. Coming from Bulgaria rather than a more southernly direction makes me think they might be Syrians, very unfortunate if so.

Beasty wrote: »

Your application to be a moderator on this forum is being considered.

Thank you, I promise I will do you proud daddy.

Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

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