Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

enricoh · 18-10-2019 9:25am

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I'm curious, have you guys who are so opposed to the plan ever visited or stayed in Ballinamore?
Woodsie?
Jay0,?
Cinema guy?

I had grub last Sunday in some spot there on the main st. Cant remember the name but they sponsor the local team.
Dunno how it has any relevance but there you go.
Heres a link to a petition people from carrickmacross set up which has been blessed with a direct provision centre. Read some of the comments.
https://www.change.org/p/councilors-is-carrickmacross-becoming-a-lawless-town

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Boggles · 18-10-2019 9:31am

enricoh wrote: »

I had grub last Sunday in some spot there on the main st. Cant remember the name but they sponsor the local team.
Dunno how it has any relevance but there you go.
Heres a link to a petition people from carrickmacross set up which has been blessed with a direct provision centre. Read some of the comments.
https://www.change.org/p/councilors-is-carrickmacross-becoming-a-lawless-town

I don't see any comments.

But a "lawless" town. How and why is it lawless?

Who started the petition?

18-10-2019 9:34am

What is wrong with the people in catrickmacross?
Why exactly do they feel intimidated?

LuasSimon · 18-10-2019 10:10am

Boggles wrote: »

Is there an empty 20 apartment block of 3 of 4 bedrooms in greater Dublin ready to house them?

No but everybody in Dublin seems to be awful concerned about refugees but quick to want to house them anywhere bar Dublin !

Thelonious Monk · 18-10-2019 10:11am

LuasSimon wrote: »

No but everybody in Dublin seems to be awful concerned about refugees but quick to want to house them anywhere bar Dublin !

I'm from Dublin and wouldn't have a problem with refugees in my area. We already have people from all over there anyway.

alastair · 18-10-2019 10:11am

Diceicle wrote: »

Bless your innocence.
Yes, their application is refused as is their second one, and third all the way up the court system. Then their kids application is refused and so on.
Eventually, when a full determination on their case is made, and the solicitors have banked a load of cash, and the FG/FF insiders running the DP centre has made some money, the Dept of Justice will issue a notice of removal. Less than 20% of those removals are enacted. We don't know who simply choose to ignore it and stay.

There’s no asylum seekers staying here post deportation order. They’ve no means of income, no accommodation, they’re known to the authorities, have no work permit, and in competition with a rake of legit and semi-legit immigrant workers for any work. They leave the country - primarily without any need for the enforcement of the deportation order.

alastair · 18-10-2019 10:16am

LuasSimon wrote: »

No but everybody in Dublin seems to be awful concerned about refugees but quick to want to house them anywhere bar Dublin !

Plenty of refugees living in Dublin. But the Government (primarily decision-makers from outside Dublin) policy is to spread the numbers nationally - partially for accommodation cost reasons, partially to discourage casual claims.

hurler32 · 18-10-2019 10:17am

LuasSimon wrote: »

No but everybody in Dublin seems to be awful concerned about refugees but quick to want to house them anywhere bar Dublin !

It’s a bit like travellers , Fine Gael love travellers and refugees but don’t want them in their heartlands of South Dublin
Classic do as I speak not as I Do out of Fine Gael the Dublin party .

Boggles · 18-10-2019 10:20am

LuasSimon wrote: »

No but everybody in Dublin seems to be awful concerned about refugees but quick to want to house them anywhere bar Dublin !

You just admitted they is no suitable accommodation for these asylum seekers in Greater Dublin.

What is exactly confusing you?

hurler32 · 18-10-2019 10:21am

alastair wrote: »

Plenty of refugees living in Dublin. But the Government (primarily decision-makers from outside Dublin) policy is to spread the numbers nationally - partially for accommodation cost reasons, partially to discourage casual claims.

Leo Varadkar , pascal Donohoe , Simon Harris all of the top hitters in Fine Gael based in Dublin who have zero time for rural Ireland .

Boggles · 18-10-2019 10:22am

hurler32 wrote: »

Leo Varadkar , pascal Donohoe , Simon Harris all of the top hitters in Fine Gael based in Dublin who have zero time for rural Ireland .

Harris lives in Wicklow.

alastair · 18-10-2019 10:24am

hurler32 wrote: »

Leo Varadkar , pascal Donohoe , Simon Harris all of the top hitters in Fine Gael based in Dublin who have zero time for rural Ireland .

Charlie Flanagan is the minister with responsibility for direct provision.

Thelonious Monk · 18-10-2019 10:26am

hurler32 wrote: »

Leo Varadkar , pascal Donohoe , Simon Harris all of the top hitters in Fine Gael based in Dublin who have zero time for rural Ireland .

That's why half a billion euros was announced to be spent on motorways in the middle of nowhere that no one really needs during the week.

jay0109 · 18-10-2019 10:27am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

That's why half a billion euros was announced to be spent on motorways in the middle of nowhere that no one really needs during the week.

They do have an interest in rural votes!

Thelonious Monk · 18-10-2019 10:28am

jay0109 wrote: »

They do have an interest in rural votes!

5 billion broadband plan. Massive subsidies for farmers. How exactly are rural Ireland ignored?

atticu · 18-10-2019 10:28am

Boggles wrote: »

Not at all.

Local Housing authorities routinely allow homeless people switch and there may also be swaps because of various reasons.

Now you may have a bit of trouble if the local authority is absolutely overwhelmed, then they might enforce the rules regarding links in the area.

But homelessness would be eradicated within 12 months if the numbers could be dispersed throughout the island.

Obviously that will never happen.

atticu wrote: »

First, why will it never happen?

And do you have any proof that homelessness can be eradicated?

Any chance you can answer these questions?

Or are we just supposed to believe you?

jay0109 · 18-10-2019 10:29am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

5 billion broadband plan. Massive subsidies for farmers. How exactly are rural Ireland ignored?

Never said they were

Boggles · 18-10-2019 10:36am

atticu wrote: »

Any chance you can answer these questions?

Or are we just supposed to believe you?

What is exactly confusing about the post?

It's pretty clear TBH.

hurler32 · 18-10-2019 10:41am

Boggles wrote: »

Harris lives in Wicklow.

Which is as good as Dublin where he’s based in top of north Wicklow , their not sure are they South Dublin or West brits up that end of Wicklow .

atticu · 18-10-2019 10:46am

Boggles wrote: »

What is exactly confusing about the post?

It's pretty clear TBH.

It is not clear at all.

If you don’t want to answer the questions, just be honest and admit that you can’t back up or explain your opinions.

I will leave you to it.

enricoh · 18-10-2019 10:47am

Boggles wrote: »

I don't see any comments.

But a "lawless" town. How and why is it lawless?

Who started the petition?

That petition has been replaced by a new one, objecting to another! direct provision centre opening up in carrickmacross , this time the old oasis. Jesus wept.
A female teacher in the town started it

hurler32 · 18-10-2019 10:48am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

5 billion broadband plan. Massive subsidies for farmers. How exactly are rural Ireland ignored?

The broadband is for the whole country and your are right it’s madness but some Fine Gael related types are probably making a packet out of it .
Re farming , most average farmers get basically dole type amounts to keep going . The Super dairy oligarch types who are Fine Gael to be fair get immoral payments but they are no more than half a dozen farmers in any parish .
The big issue in rural Ireland which Fine Gael ignores is no jobs been created , crap public transport , closure of banks etc and the big one no garda stations allowing traveller gangs to rob and terrorize rural Ireland . All that’s heard on RTÉ is Dublin , Dublin , luas , Dart , Dublin Dublin .
Fine Gael might clean up in elections in Dublin but will do poorly in Rural Ireland .

Topgear on Dave · 18-10-2019 10:52am

Many of rural irelands problems with service closure and crap public transport are entirely of its own making, build a one off two miles from town....then complain about crap public transport. But thats probably off topic for this thread.

Boggles · 18-10-2019 10:53am

atticu wrote: »

It is not clear at all.

If you don’t want to answer the questions, just be honest and admit that you can’t back up or explain your opinions.

I will leave you to it.

You mean it is not clear to you.

Very simple, there is plenty homes in Ireland that are vacant.

20 3-4 bedroom apartments in a block in Leitrim for instance.

This is replicated all over the island.

Vastly more than enough to accommodate multiples of the amount homeless.

Obviously when I say homeless, I don't mean people with chronic substance abuse problems, etc.

You asked why it won't be done, the main reason being the majority of people on housing lists in Dublin will not move to Donegal, Leitrim or Kerry, nor should they be expected to.

Any clearer?

Boggles · 18-10-2019 10:55am

enricoh wrote: »

That petition has been replaced by a new one, objecting to another! direct provision centre opening up in carrickmacross , this time the old oasis. Jesus wept.
A female teacher in the town started it

I didn't ask you about the new one.

I asked you about the one you linked to.

How is the town "lawless".

That is a absolute huge claim and the least you can do if you are promoting the petition is to offer some sort of evidence of the claim.

Also if you could answer who started it?

enricoh · 18-10-2019 11:16am

Boggles wrote: »

I didn't ask you about the new one.

I asked you about the one you linked to.

How is the town "lawless".

That is a absolute huge claim and the least you can do if you are promoting the petition is to offer some sort of evidence of the claim.

Also if you could answer who started it?

Ha, i didnt know there was a new one.
There was comments, they must have a time limit i dunno
Residents in carrickmacross especially women are sick of scum from a dp centre hanging around the streets intimidating them, so the set up a petition to try get action from councillors, gardai etc.
What happens- they are to get another dp centre! Not to replace the one they have but a brand spanking new one. Lovely!

Boggles · 18-10-2019 11:20am

enricoh wrote: »

Ha, i didnt know there was a new one.
There was comments, they must have a time limit i dunno
Residents in carrickmacross especially women are sick of scum from a dp centre hanging around the streets intimidating them, so the set up a petition to try get action from councillors, gardai etc.
What happens- they are to get another dp centre! Not to replace the one they have but a brand spanking new one. Lovely!

Does it not say specifically who set up the petition?

Also hearsay and loose talk is great and all. But have you any actual tangible evidence that suggests the town is now "lawless"?

It's a pretty serious claim TBF. If people are going to put their name to such a thing then surely they wouldn't without evidence.

I assume you can sign the petition anonymously?

atticu · 18-10-2019 11:48am

Boggles wrote: »

You mean it is not clear to you.

Very simple, there is plenty homes in Ireland that are vacant.

20 3-4 bedroom apartments in a block in Leitrim for instance.

This is replicated all over the island.

Vastly more than enough to accommodate multiples of the amount homeless.

Obviously when I say homeless, I don't mean people with chronic substance abuse problems, etc.

You asked why it won't be done, the main reason being the majority of people on housing lists in Dublin will not move to Donegal, Leitrim or Kerry, nor should they be expected to.

Any clearer?

That is a absolute huge claim and the least you can do if you are promoting this, is to offer some sort of evidence of your claim.

Also hearsay and loose talk is great and all. But have you any actual tangible evidence that suggests that what you claim is true, I would love a link to it.

Have you informed the government and the homeless charities about your ‘solution to homelessness’?

Boggles · 18-10-2019 12:55pm

atticu wrote: »

That is a absolute huge claim and the least you can do if you are promoting this, is to offer some sort of evidence of your claim.

https://statbank.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=EP009&PLanguage=0

Knock yourself out.

atticu wrote: »

Have you informed the government and the homeless charities about your ‘solution to homelessness’?

They all ready know.

https://pmvtrust.ie/housing/empty-homes/

Your welcome.

Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

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