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Dacia new models 2020/2021

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  • #52
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Ta ceist agam wrote: »
    Dacia says it has focused on making the Sandero look and feel classier inside, introducing a redesigned centre console with part-digital air conditioning controls and an electronic handbrake on higher trim levels

    Englisch no my 1st talk boot don't "classier" say same as upmarket?

    No, upmarket means it appeals to the upper end of the market, and classy is a more subjective description which would suggest something is tasteful and stylish.

    It’s still a Dacia at the end of the day, it may be more stylish or upmarket, but it’s still the bottom end of the market.


  • #53
    Ta ceist agam
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 387 ✭✭Ta ceist agam


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    No, upmarket means it appeals to the upper end of the market, and classy is a more subjective description which would suggest something is tasteful and stylish.

    It’s still a Dacia at the end of the day, it may be more stylish or upmarket, but it’s still the bottom end of the market.

    Oxford languages thesaurus must be wrong then!
    Also note, to say going or gone upmarket doesn't necessarily mean Rolls Royce level of upmarket. There's a linearity.


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=527956&stc=1&d=1601504933


  • #54
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    You do know a thesaurus doesn’t give you synonyms?

    I’ve highlighted something for you

    https://i.postimg.cc/Jh0hRVYG/A2-F21003-1893-481-A-A4-C2-423-E4575-D0-DE.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/VvWwjDZx/98-F480-A9-4-F1-D-4-C3-C-9721-2-A4-EF315992-D.jpg


  • #55
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    I think the new one looks good. If I was in the market for a small car it'd be on my radar. And the comparisons with the €500 1998 Clios, where can I get one of them with zero miles and in brand new condition with a lengthy warranty?


  • #56
    Ta ceist agam
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 387 ✭✭Ta ceist agam


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    You do know a thesaurus doesn’t give you synonyms?

    I’ve highlighted something for you

    The use of language is very much reliant on the context it is used, which either gives a greater or lesser meaning to the similarities of words.

    But what would the Oxford dictionary paraphrase above or I know! lol


    Anyway, enough of entertaining you.

    The current UK entry level new Dacia starts at 7k, but the up market Sandero will start at 8k, that's quite a jump for a budget brand.

    But saying that the new Clio in UK starts at 15k, almost twice the price.

    Renault Clio's do have a loyal customer base, however with the new Sandero appearing more like the Clio, have the Renault group shot themselves in the foot, by inadvertently luring their Clio drivers to save 1ks and opt for the less profitable Sandero?


  • #57
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,827 ✭ [Deleted User]


    PsychoPete wrote: »
    The new tce engine is a far nicer engine
    The asthmatic naturally aspirated three selling engine which is what is selling in volume is not a nice engine.
    I try to refuse a Dacia when offered as a rental car as I have booked a "Fiesta or similar". If I have to I ask to be downgraded to a Picanto, i10, Citigo or Up! because they're actually an upgrade from a Sandero in reality.


  • #58
    antodeco
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,589 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    You really have it in for the Dacia's don't you haphaphap is it it just specifically the Sandero?


  • #59
    PsychoPete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The asthmatic naturally aspirated three selling engine which is what is selling in volume is not a nice engine.
    I try to refuse a Dacia when offered as a rental car as I have booked a "Fiesta or similar". If I have to I ask to be downgraded to a Picanto, i10, Citigo or Up! because they're actually an upgrade from a Sandero in reality.

    It's turbo


  • #60
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,827 ✭ [Deleted User]


    antodeco wrote: »
    You really have it in for the Dacia's don't you haphaphap is it it just specifically the Sandero?
    I like the striped down unfussy body which reminds me of a Golf MK4 which has just enough parts and no more than that.
    I think the Logan Saloon would sell well in Ireland and could motivate a lot of old Country folk to rustle about under the mattress and pull out a wad of cash.
    I don't like the three cylinder naturally aspirated engine, the interior carpets and absence of sound proofing.
    A Sandero starts at €7600 in Germany with a 3 year warranty. It just isn't cheap enough in Ireland to recommend.


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  • #61
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    PsychoPete wrote: »
    It's turbo

    It’s an sCe rather than tCe as standard so no turbo.

    Polo standard engine is 1.0 non turbo too and has less power.
    Fiesta is 1.1 non turbo and has less power
    Yaris is 1.0 non turbo and has less power


  • #62
    PsychoPete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    It’s an sCe rather than tCe as standard so no turbo.

    Polo standard engine is 1.0 non turbo too and has less power.
    Fiesta is 1.1 non turbo and has less power
    Yaris is 1.0 non turbo and has less power

    I thought he was ranting and raving about the tce


  • #63
    ba_barabus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭ba_barabus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It just isn't cheap enough in Ireland to recommend.
    I do agree with you to a point here.

    I've always said the Duster makes a far better value for money case for itself than the Sandero in Ireland.


  • #64
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    PsychoPete wrote: »
    I thought he was ranting and raving about the tce

    Nah, the tCe is a gem of a yoke.
    They don’t do it in the Sandero these days as far as I know. Maybe in a Stepway. No clue.


  • #65
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,827 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The new Sandero is priced from 8000 in Germany. That is worth considering but not at Irish prices. Set up Android Auto with Waze, Spotify and whatever even if there isn't a radio built in and that is worth considering. I haven't tried the new Clio but I have tried the latest Micra and that is a competent car. I still stand over my comments that you'd be as well off with a mid noughties Clio than the outgoing Sandero.


  • #66
    PsychoPete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Nah, the tCe is a gem of a yoke.
    They don’t do it in the Sandero these days as far as I know. Maybe in a Stepway. No clue.

    You can get the tce 90 but it's a good bit more expensive


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  • #67
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    PsychoPete wrote: »
    You can get the tce 90 but it's a good bit more expensive

    It’s a lack of torque that lets the sCe down. Even though the turbo 90 is only 15bhp up it’s got nearly twice the torque.

    Again, probably not top priority for buyers.


  • #68
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Seeing a lot of rusty dusters 2014/15 ,misery spec on the paint?


  • #69
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Seeing a lot of rusty dusters 2014/15 ,misery spec on the paint?

    There were certainly rust issues on early ones. Mainly white Indian built ones. The Romanian ones are much better.


  • #70
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    There were certainly rust issues on early ones. Mainly white Indian built ones. The Romanian ones are much better.

    White and silver ones that Ive noticed it on


  • #71
    PsychoPete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Seeing a lot of rusty dusters 2014/15 ,misery spec on the paint?

    We had one back that got a full respray over it


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  • #72
    Ta ceist agam
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 387 ✭✭Ta ceist agam


    If one only had 2 choice of cars;
    1. 2019 Sandero 10k and 1k cash.
    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/dacia-sandero-1-0-2019/25857272

    2. 2019 Spacestar 10,990

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/mitsubishi-space-star-1-0-litre-petrol/25249727

    Which would you choose?


    The dealers especially Kearys who have a plethora of 2019 Base model Sanderos for sale presumably direct from Rental car agencies must make a lot more profit selling them used than new, given that there's just 2k of a difference between new 202 reg for12,290 and ex rental 2019 for 10490 with 20k miles reved by multiple tourists in and out of every pothole from Mizen to Malin.

    2020 Sandero 12290
    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/dacia-sandero-12290-sce-75-petrol-alternative/25184505

    2019 Sandero ex rental 10490
    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/dacia-sandero-alternative-sce-75-my1/25377576


  • #73
    AUDI20
    Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭AUDI20


    Ta ceist agam wrote: »
    Such a pity it's gone all upmarket and fancy.

    I wonder will there be a base Access model stripped of radio, electric windows, mirrors etc.

    Thats what made the Sandero Access appealing for the no frills motoring!

    You could also by a Lada from the 60's, would suit you perfect.


  • #74
    Cashel Mc
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭Cashel Mc


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The drivetrain, switchgear, most consumables. they changed to the 1 litre triple which they lifted from the newer clio/twingo and you'd be better off with the 1.2 4 cylinder. I'm happy for you to labour over this because the point that bears stressing is that you are paying new car money for ancient technology. You'd be paying 20 times the purchase price for one of these as for a early to mid 2000s Clio and it is not appreciably better in any respect.
    Even at the price they're no bargain for anyone who knows what a bargain is. Either push the boat out a bit more and buy a discounted mainstream supermini or save your money and buy an older secondhand.

    Not one part of the switchgear is the same , not one with a mk 2 clio, now if you said mk 3 clio, then yes very similar, but at the same time different part numbers


  • #75
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,827 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Cashel Mc wrote: »
    Not one part of the switchgear is the same , not one with a mk 2 clio, now if you said mk 3 clio, then yes very similar, but at the same time different part numbers
    Next you'll be arguing that a FIAT 500 and Mk2 Ka are completely different because the molded plastic on the switchgear is different although it comes from the same suppliers.


  • #76
    Cashel Mc
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭Cashel Mc


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Next you'll be arguing that a FIAT 500 and Mk2 Ka are completely different because the molded plastic on the switchgear is different although it comes from the same suppliers.

    Not at all , you mentioned switchgear being the same as a 98 clio, I stated a fact that they are not .
    Fact is, most switchgear comes from the same suppliers for all brands , but to argue that 98 clio parts are the same as 2020 sandero parts is just incorrect


  • #77
    _ptashek_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭_ptashek_


    BrianD3 wrote: »
    I wonder do Eastern Europeans and other foreign nationals make up a relatively large proportion of Dacia buyers in Ireland - IME they are likely to get more excited about LPG and other practical aspects than about climate control and touchscreens.

    I'm old enough to remember the Dacia 1310p as the lemon abomination produced by communist Romania and force fed into the block. I'd never buy one, even if they'd paid me. LPG or not :) Although to give them some credit, at the time it was one of the better cars we had access to.


  • #78
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,827 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The development costs are sunk and just warmed over and that is the point that I made. That is the point I made so you're making a fallacious argument. Do you work in Linders?
    Here are my posts so you can see what I actually said, not what you think I said:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114776422&postcount=25
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114780652&postcount=30
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114781049&postcount=33
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114782356&postcount=40
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114782474&postcount=42
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114782576&postcount=44
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114784784&postcount=57
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114788043&postcount=60
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114789839&postcount=65
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114804522&postcount=75

    Anyhow, I found something genuinely innovative about the new Sandero with regards to in-car entertainment:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv2eVwMUptI warning: French audio.
    scroll forward to 13:30.
    the conventional head unit is gone/doesn't exist and the details are shown on the instrument cluster and can be controlled from the remote steering wheel controls used in conjunction with your smartphone for navigation and other details.
    It is a further development of the R&Go application found in Clios and Twingos except the headunit is gone.


  • #79
    newmember2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭newmember2


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Anyhow, I found something genuinely innovative about the new Sandero with regards to in-car entertainment:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv2eVwMUptI warning: French audio.
    scroll forward to 13:30.
    the conventional head unit is gone/doesn't exist and the details are shown on the instrument cluster and can be controlled from the remote steering wheel controls used in conjunction with your smartphone for navigation and other details.
    It is a further development of the R&Go application found in Clios and Twingos except the headunit is gone.

    Great idea and so simple.


  • #80
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Seems a great idea, but I can see it being problematic if it becomes mainstream. Only able to use it with certain phones, the Dacia/BMW/Ford/etc. specific app is needed (and probably costs money), it doesn't get updated after X amount of years meaning you are selling the car with no entertainment unit, etc.


    I like the general idea, but I'd be concerned about app support in future, or some 'subscription charge' nonsense being applied down the line. You can listen to the radio for free, but it's €2.99 per month if you want to listen to your own music on your phone, etc.


    (I'm a real pessimist!)


  • #81
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    How much can a feckin screen cost?


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  • #82
    Ta ceist agam
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 387 ✭✭Ta ceist agam


    I think the lack of screen is only on the entry level model such as the Access and perhaps the one up from the Access, the Alternative. The Signature will get a screen and the Sandero Stepway gets a screen as pictured in the Stepway interior pics.

    The use of mobile phone app instead of an inbuilt screen would be problematic for people not confident using mobile phones or apps like the elderly. Also what if you've no battery or want to conserve your battery and forgot your charging cabl e on a long trip?

    A screen may not cost much but would save Dacia millions based on the number of units they sell. Toyota save a couple of 100 grand in the Aygo by just having one parcel shelf string.


  • #83
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,827 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I didn't see a cable attached while it was being presented in the video.
    A german dealer youtube video I watched said that the base model will not even have the radio but the phone shelf with a lid will still be there.
    The base model will be called "essential" and will be selling for around 8k in Germany. Use Android auto in standalone mode with your selected apps including a radio app like Intune or radio.de and it will serve the purpose.


  • #84
    Ta ceist agam
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 387 ✭✭Ta ceist agam


    You don't need the cable to use the app, it's via Bluetooth.
    But the use if Bluetooth is heavy on some batteries and therefore will need charging.

    Oh I look forward to seeing the Essential model then of the new Sandero. Do you know if it'll have unpainted bumpers and windy windows all round? I'm getting excited now!


  • #85
    Ta ceist agam
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 387 ✭✭Ta ceist agam


    528300.jpg

    I think the Stepway gets screen as standard as above.


  • #86
    BrianD3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Prices and some specs on dacia.co.uk, 8000 GBP for the cheapest Sandero Access which has the all important unpainted bumpers. We probably won't get that one here but I wouldn't know as there is no mention of the new car on the Irish website.

    Base engine is 1.0 litre 65 bhp petrol. If you want LPG the cheapest one is about 10400 GBP which has a 100 bhp engine and a more "luxurious" spec.

    sandero-access-sce-65-glacier-white.jpg?anchor=center&mode=crop&quality=75&width=620&rnd=132508680573100000


  • #87
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,827 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The target buyer for the base model won't give a hoot about unpainted bumpers and the steel wheels without plastic trims will be seen as a benefit.

    It is a shame they don't sell the Dokker Van more widely. It looks like exactly what a van owner would want in a Kangoo sized van.


  • #88
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    The new Logan saloon looks relatively decent.

    A5-C0-A08-B-3257-4437-A843-AC03-F6-BCD75-B.jpg


  • #89
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,827 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Dacia Ireland should be selling the saloon as it would be popular with their target audience in Ireland but their marketing people see Ireland as Western Europe where people don't buy saloons.


  • #90
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Dacia Ireland should be selling the saloon as it would be popular with their target audience in Ireland but their marketing people see Ireland as Western Europe where people don't buy saloons.

    They don’t really buy saloons any more though.


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  • #91
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    The new Logan saloon looks relatively decent.

    A5-C0-A08-B-3257-4437-A843-AC03-F6-BCD75-B.jpg

    That’s a decent looking motor.


  • #92
    BrianD3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Brochure on dacia.fr, the 65 bhp engine petrol does 0-100 km/h in 16.7 seconds, the 100 bhp dual fuel is about 5 secs quicker than that.

    The Access model (that we probably won't get) has no radio or aircon, it has LED lights and front electric windows and a radio preparation which I think is used with a smartphone. Access model only available with the 65 bhp engine.


  • #93
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    That smartphone setup is one of the most idiotic things I’ve seen on a car.


  • #94
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,827 ✭ [Deleted User]


    prices are available to download from dacia.de.
    €8490 for base spec
    €8890 for base spec plus body coloured bumpers, wheeltrims, DAB radio, cruise control, fog lamps, split rearseat and remote central locking.

    The Gas powered versions seem to be an absolute bargain at only 100 euro more than the petrol turbo version with none of the disadvantages of a modern complicated diesel engine.
    Autogas costs around half the price of Petrol(although a litre won't take you quite as far).

    3 year warranty standard and extended service packages are really cheap.
    The German review of the car which I watched mentioned that the Sandero has been the largest selling car bought privately in Europe for the last three years.

    Cableless connection for Android to the audio system is unusual for this class of car.

    I can see the hire companies in the airport buying these by the bucketload as there is both CVT and manual version available. Unlike the last one which was absolutely horrible you'll be happy enough to drive.


  • #95
    BrianD3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Getting very good reviews on Autocar and Autoexpress, described as a night and day improvement on the old car. The worst thing they can say about it is that it's not as refined as a Clio and can't be steered with the throttle like a Fiesta - as if the latter is a priority for buyers of 1.0 litre superminis

    Any word on Irish pricing yet. We know it will be thousands cheaper than its competitors but just how much cheaper - plus the option of LPG which nobody else is offering.

    Anyone thinking of ordering a new Fiesta, Clio, Yaris, Polo an existing model Sandero or weighing up petrol vs electric would do well to wait,


  • #96
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,827 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The Sandero is the What Car car of the year 2021.


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  • #97
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The Sandero is the What Car car of the year 2021.

    TangibleWeeklyCrocodileskink-small.gif


  • #98
    AMKC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,315 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    The new Logan saloon looks relatively decent.


    A5-C0-A08-B-3257-4437-A843-AC03-F6-BCD75-B.jpg

    That looks good alright
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Dacia Ireland should be selling the saloon as it would be popular with their target audience in Ireland but their marketing people see Ireland as Western Europe where people don't buy saloons.

    I am sure if enough Irish people enquired or Dacia Ireland asked for it it could come here and do relatively well.
    colm_mcm wrote: »
    They don’t really buy saloons any more though.

    The Corolla Saloon still sells well and so does the VW Passat saloon. The Renault Megane saloon does good still too. Not really much other choice unless you want a posh German saloon from the big 3 or a posh Japanese one from Lexus. That's it really
    I think there would be a market for the Dacia saloon if they brought it here.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • #99
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    The new Logan saloon looks relatively decent.

    A5-C0-A08-B-3257-4437-A843-AC03-F6-BCD75-B.jpg

    Modern day incarnation of this cart of crap

    2008-chevrolet-aveo-ls-4-door-sedan-angular-front.png?fit=around%7C875:492.1875


  • #100
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    Modern day incarnation of this cart of crap

    2008-chevrolet-aveo-ls-4-door-sedan-angular-front.png?fit=around%7C875:492.1875

    The Daewoo/Chevy was unbelievably reliable,


  • #101
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    The Daewoo/Chevy was unbelievably reliable,

    Of course it was, it had no components even vaguely related to a modern car.

    One of them tried to kill me :D


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