Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

theVersatile · 22-06-2021 3:21pm

Lowry with Ireland

https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1407342575569231873?s=19

TRC10 · 22-06-2021 3:47pm

theVersatile wrote: »

Lowry with Ireland

https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1407342575569231873?s=19

Next cab of the rank if (lets call a spade a spade, when) Addison get's injured

Paul Smeenus · 22-06-2021 3:49pm

TRC10 wrote: »

Next cab of the rank if (lets call a spade a spade, when) Addison get's injured

Farrell is trolling LawrenceSummers HARD.

Eod100 · 22-06-2021 5:41pm

Ireland playing USA away in October. https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1407376122388664328?s=19

thomond2006 · 22-06-2021 5:53pm

No United Rugby Championship games on test weekends.

Well that lasted a week.

UAEguy2020 · 22-06-2021 6:15pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

Regardless of this, the evidence is also overwhelming that outdoor transmission is miniscule. Even the first time round the argument for banning attendance at large events was to restrict in the internal gatherings associated with them moreso than the events themselves. Having only 3k in the Aviva is stupid and not a "test" of anything.

Social distancing and mask wearing really is insignificant when it comes to the spreading of the virus, what matters most of ventilation in buildings so that should be the focus.

connemara man · 22-06-2021 6:20pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

No United Rugby Championship games on test weekends.

Well that lasted a week.

Official test weekend

22-06-2021 6:22pm

There's a reason why I requested a ban from the covid forums...

Jump_In_Jack · 22-06-2021 6:54pm

Wales are playing New Zealand that weekend too.
The question is, will the players miss the weekend before that test, and I doubt it.
They were always likely to miss the round before the Autumn Internationals anyway.

TRC10 · 22-06-2021 8:21pm

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Wales are playing New Zealand that weekend too.
The question is, will the players miss the weekend before that test, and I doubt it.
They were always likely to miss the round before the Autumn Internationals anyway.

A bit annoying that Wales are getting a much higher quality of test match than us.

They have Argentina x2 this summer. And they're playing each of the big 3 in November.

Meanwhile we have USA and Japan in the summer

Then USA, Moana Pacifica, Japan and NZ

So from now till next year, we have 1 test v tier 1 opposition and Wales have 5.

Jump_In_Jack · 22-06-2021 8:32pm

TRC10 wrote: »

A bit annoying that Wales are getting a much higher quality of test match than us.

They have Argentina x2 this summer. And they're playing each of the big 3 in November.

Meanwhile we have USA and Japan in the summer

Then USA, Moana Pacifica, Japan and NZ

So from now till next year, we have 1 test v tier 1 opposition and Wales have 5.

I think we will be playing Argentina instead of Japan because Japan agreed to play Scotland the weekend pencilled in for us.

TRC10 · 22-06-2021 8:36pm

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

I think we will be playing Argentina instead of Japan because Japan agreed to play Scotland the weekend pencilled in for us.

Summer or November?

Jump_In_Jack · 22-06-2021 8:48pm

TRC10 wrote: »

Summer or November?

The weekend around November 20th

AbusesToilets · 22-06-2021 10:55pm

TRC10 wrote: »

A bit annoying that Wales are getting a much higher quality of test match than us.

They have Argentina x2 this summer. And they're playing each of the big 3 in November.

Meanwhile we have USA and Japan in the summer

Then USA, Moana Pacifica, Japan and NZ

So from now till next year, we have 1 test v tier 1 opposition and Wales have 5.

Were we meant to have a tour? Can't remember

Lost Ormond · 22-06-2021 11:01pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Were we meant to have a tour? Can't remember

Meant to go to Fiji but tour there off because too many covid cases in Fiji

Neil3030 · 23-06-2021 1:43am

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

Social distancing and mask wearing really is insignificant when it comes to the spreading of the virus, what matters most of ventilation in buildings so that should be the focus.

Ah yes. Because why take a few seconds to put a mask on, or stand back a few paces, when we can just renovate all permanent structures to have surgical quality air filtration. Much more practical.

Neil3030 · 23-06-2021 1:47am

thomond2006 wrote: »

No United Rugby Championship games on test weekends.

Well that lasted a week.

We'll be sending our third team, surely. And it's outside the test window. IRFU are scraping together any penny they can find these days, and this seems like a fairly harmless little nixer.

UAEguy2020 · 23-06-2021 4:15am

Neil3030 wrote: »

Ah yes. Because why take a few seconds to put a mask on, or stand back a few paces, when we can just renovate all permanent structures to have surgical quality air filtration. Much more practical.

Yeah because masks and social distancing has helped eradicate covid19…oh wait.

Neil3030 · 23-06-2021 6:30am

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

Yeah because masks and social distancing has helped eradicate covid19…oh wait.

Don't make perfect the enemy of good. They help.

pickarooney · 23-06-2021 6:49am

Any chance we can send AJ McGinty to the Olympics and then pick him for Ireland next season?

We can give Solonoa back to the US to make up for it.

irishbucsfan · 23-06-2021 8:25am

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

Yeah because masks and social distancing has helped eradicate covid19…oh wait.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8

23-06-2021 9:33am

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

Yeah because masks and social distancing has helped eradicate covid19…oh wait.

Almost two years and some people are still struggling with the basics. Unbelievable

thomond2006 · 23-06-2021 9:57am

It's nice of one of the Exeter players to grace us with his presence.

b.gud · 23-06-2021 9:59am

pickarooney wrote: »

Any chance we can send AJ McGinty to the Olympics and then pick him for Ireland next season?

We can give Solonoa back to the US to make up for it.

Only if he comes back to Connacht

molloyjh · 23-06-2021 10:06am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Almost two years and some people are still struggling with the basics. Unbelievable

Sadly its very believable. I mean this stuff is easy but still somehow a great source of confusion at the same time. Thankfully we have some rugby to look forward to so we don't need to worry about those confused souls.

We're a week out from the 23 for Japan being named. Anyone fancy a crack at guessing the line up?

Kilcoyne Herring TOT
Baird Ryan
Coombes Doris VDF

JGP Carbery
McCloskey Hume
Stockdale Keenan Balacoune

Heffernan, Byrne, Dillane, POM, Casey, Burns, Larmour

connemara man · 23-06-2021 10:22am

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sydthebeat · 23-06-2021 10:24am

^
close to how id like to see them line up (maybe H Byrne for Burns).... but this is more how id expect them to line up

Kilcoyne Herring TOT
Baird Ryan
POM Doris VDF

JGP Carbery
McCloskey Farrell
Stockdale Keenan Larmour

Heffernan, Byrne, Bealham, Dillane, Coombes, Casey, Burns, Daly

Richie_Rich89 · 23-06-2021 11:22am

I think I would go for:

1. Peter Dooley
2. Rob Herring
3. Martin Moore
4. Quinn Roux
5. James Ryan
6. Fineen Wycherley
7. Peter O'Mahony
8. Caelan Doris
9. John Cooney
10. Joey Carbery
11. Jacob Stockdale
12. Chris Farrell
13. James Hume
14. Robert Baloucoune
15. Hugo Keenan

16. Dan Sheehan
17. David Kilcoyne
18. Tom O'Toole
19. Ryan Baird
20. Gavin Coombes
21. Jamison Gibson-Park
22. Harry Byrne
23. Jordan Larmour

sydthebeat · 23-06-2021 11:25am

ah richie... poor attempt at trolling.

gonna be hard getting 4 of those into the team seeing as theyre not even with the squad

Richie_Rich89 · 23-06-2021 11:28am

I'm just saying what I would go for. Although I'm not sure whether Roux is actually available.

TRC10 · 23-06-2021 11:44am

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

I think I would go for:

1. Peter Dooley
2. Rob Herring
3. Martin Moore
4. Quinn Roux
5. James Ryan
6. Fineen Wycherley
7. Peter O'Mahony
8. Caelan Doris
9. John Cooney
10. Joey Carbery
11. Jacob Stockdale
12. Chris Farrell
13. James Hume
14. Robert Baloucoune
15. Hugo Keenan

16. Dan Sheehan
17. David Kilcoyne
18. Tom O'Toole
19. Ryan Baird
20. Gavin Coombes
21. Jamison Gibson-Park
22. Harry Byrne
23. Jordan Larmour

Big call leaving out Stander

UAEguy2020 · 23-06-2021 11:47am

Neil3030 wrote: »

Don't make perfect the enemy of good. They help.

And where’s the proof? Peru who have had to worst death rate in the world from covid had the strictest measures of all.

In America Florida and Texas which are completely open as normal have less deaths and cases than NY and California who have very strict measures in place.

You say they help but I’m yet to see the evidence of this?

UAEguy2020 · 23-06-2021 11:49am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Almost two years and some people are still struggling with the basics. Unbelievable

2 years and there are still people who believe a piece of cloth is actually going to stop a virus spreading…be****inghave.

theVersatile · 23-06-2021 11:58am

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connemara man wrote: »

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Jump_In_Jack · 23-06-2021 12:01pm

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

2 years and there are still people who believe a piece of cloth is actually going to stop a virus spreading…be****inghave.

You are actually a danger to society spouting misinformation like that.

Let me guess, anti-vaccination, and climate change denier etc

theVersatile · 23-06-2021 12:01pm

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

I think I would go for:

1. Peter Dooley
2. Rob Herring
3. Martin Moore
4. Quinn Roux
5. James Ryan
6. Fineen Wycherley
7. Peter O'Mahony
8. Caelan Doris
9. John Cooney
10. Joey Carbery
11. Jacob Stockdale
12. Chris Farrell
13. James Hume
14. Robert Baloucoune
15. Hugo Keenan

16. Dan Sheehan
17. David Kilcoyne
18. Tom O'Toole
19. Ryan Baird
20. Gavin Coombes
21. Jamison Gibson-Park
22. Harry Byrne
23. Jordan Larmour

Think Max O'Reilly could do a job at 13 personally. Also since we're including France-bound players like Roux (and possibly Cooney), you may as well throw Karl Martin into the #23 Jersey too.

ineedeuro · 23-06-2021 12:02pm

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

I think I would go for:

1. Peter Dooley
2. Rob Herring
3. Martin Moore
4. Quinn Roux
5. James Ryan
6. Fineen Wycherley
7. Peter O'Mahony
8. Caelan Doris
9. John Cooney
10. Joey Carbery
11. Jacob Stockdale
12. Chris Farrell
13. James Hume
14. Robert Baloucoune
15. Hugo Keenan

16. Dan Sheehan
17. David Kilcoyne
18. Tom O'Toole
19. Ryan Baird
20. Gavin Coombes
21. Jamison Gibson-Park
22. Harry Byrne
23. Jordan Larmour

At this stage any point investing in Cooney? the management don't seem to rate him and he will be dropped from the squad once Murray is back. Would they be better off putting one of the other lads into get minutes?

Former Former Former · 23-06-2021 12:02pm

The squad is so new that I don't think there's a 'bad' lineup that we can send out.

I would like the guys on the (possible) fringes of the Lions to get a run and keep themselves in the shop window, e.g. Kelleher, Ryan, maybe VDF.

UAEguy2020 · 23-06-2021 12:03pm

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

You are actually a danger to society spouting misinformation like that.

Let me guess, anti-vaccination, and climate change denier etc

I’m not going to say what I really think because the mod said stop talking about this topic and I would like to avoid a ban

But…wow you’re insane.

arsebiscuits1 · 23-06-2021 12:04pm

Maybe the 3rd time will be the charm.....

connemara man wrote: »

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UAEguy2020 · 23-06-2021 12:05pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Maybe the 3rd time will be the charm.....

Conversation ended.

TRC10 · 23-06-2021 12:07pm

Right so......

Sexton > ROG

Richie_Rich89 · 23-06-2021 12:33pm

theVersatile wrote: »

Think Max O'Reilly could do a job at 13 personally. Also since we're including France-bound players like Roux (and possibly Cooney), you may as well throw Karl Martin into the #23 Jersey too.

I think they should consider overseas-based players. Just for World Cups, like. Every other nation is at their strongest come World Cup time, but Ireland aren't any stronger than any other year.

Being able to call on Roux, with his Top Quatorze experience, for a World Cup in France, would be a good thing.

UAEguy2020 · 23-06-2021 12:49pm

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

I think they should consider overseas-based players. Just for World Cups, like. Every other nation is at their strongest come World Cup time, but Ireland aren't any stronger than any other year.

Being able to call on Roux, with his Top Quatorze experience, for a World Cup in France, would be a good thing.

Every other country is at their best because they have prepared sufficiently.

stephen_n · 23-06-2021 1:16pm

molloyjh wrote: »

Sadly its very believable. I mean this stuff is easy but still somehow a great source of confusion at the same time. Thankfully we have some rugby to look forward to so we don't need to worry about those confused souls.

We're a week out from the 23 for Japan being named. Anyone fancy a crack at guessing the line up?

Kilcoyne Herring TOT
Baird Ryan
Coombes Doris VDF

JGP Carbery
McCloskey Hume
Stockdale Keenan Balacoune

Heffernan, Byrne, Dillane, POM, Casey, Burns, Larmour

I would imagine there is zero chance POM doesn’t start. There would be no point having him in the squad if not to start and “bring leadership”.

Hype710 · 24-06-2021 10:07am

No sign of Harry Byrne or Will Addison in the training photos. Unclear which of those Lowry is covering for. Possibly both, but you'd imagine he's more likely to be there as a FB.

arsebiscuits1 · 24-06-2021 11:15am

Hype710 wrote: »

No sign of Harry Byrne or Will Addison in the training photos. Unclear which of those Lowry is covering for. Possibly both, but you'd imagine he's more likely to be there as a FB.

Absolutely there as a FB.

Possibly running some drills in the 10 channel if Harry is missing.

But surely Faz would have called up Byrne senior or Carty in the case of Harry dropping

starkid · 24-06-2021 12:09pm

Lowry should have been in original squad.

TRC10 · 25-06-2021 9:32am

Would I be the only one who sees Gavin Coombes as much more of a 6 than an 8?

He's huge for a backrower at 6'6. He's tremendously strong, a great ball carrier and a serious breakdown threat.

But for me, he's quick, but I don't see the mobility, footwork and offloading ability that an 8 would ideally have.

Farrell has shown he's keen to move away from the one dimensional no.8 like Stander, and I'd have Coombes in that category too. His selections of Doris and Conan and now Timoney coming into the squad would suggest that he want's an 8 who's more of a natural footballer and who can operate in the wide channels.

Personally, I see 6 as his best position and I think that's where we'll see him this summer.

arsebiscuits1 · 25-06-2021 9:38am

TRC10 wrote: »

Would I be the only one who sees Gavin Coombes as much more of a 6 than an 8?

He's huge for a backrower at 6'6. He's tremendously strong, a great ball carrier and a serious breakdown threat.

But for me, I don't see the mobility, footwork and offloading ability that an 8 would ideally have.

Farrell has shown he's keen to move away from the one dimensional no.8 like Stander, and I'd have Coombes in that category too. His selections of Doris and Conan and now Timoney coming into the squad would suggest that he want's an 8 who's more of a natural footballer and who can operate in the wide channels.

Personally, I see his 6 as his best position and I think that's where we'll see him this summer.

It's a pretty valid thought. Ultimately it depends what the coaches want out of him.

Munster in essentially the entire professional era have gone for an 8 in a similar mould to what Coombes is.

We see Gatland has gravitated to a more mobile type 8 who thrives more in the channels leaving the hard yards tight channels type players like Stander and Billy V at home.

Farrell does seem to be gravitating towards a more Doris, Conan, Timoney and even Heaslip type of space attacking 8 which is where I think the game is gravitating to.

Having said that I think Coombes offloading ability is quite understated, it's a strong part of his game.

Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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