The Ballybunion thread

A90Six · 12-11-2005 5:26pm

A90Six wrote:

I have an almost exact copy of this pic on a postcard somewhere, but it's from 1916. I'll have to have a hunt round and scan it.

Front,

and reverse.

A90Six · 13-11-2005 12:27am

I was looking at the old postcard and at the lack of a large hotel where the Golf now sits. I blew up the piece behind where it should be, and Hey Presto! You can see where the lartigue stopped in Ballyb.

You can match the roof windows to the ones in this pic,

A90Six · 13-11-2005 1:28am

Old postcard of St. John's, Ballybunion on ebay.

snow scorpion · 13-11-2005 1:35am

A90's pic:

alfa's pic:

alfa took his pic just a little ways up the road from where A90 took his pic, right? Alfa took his pic at the corner of that small street that's just north of the church. Or am I confused? (As I usually am.

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A90Six · 13-11-2005 2:25am

snow scorpion wrote:

alfa took his pic just a little ways up the road from where A90 took his pic, right? Alfa took his pic at the corner of that small street that's just north of the church. Or am I confused? (As I usually am. )

Your'e right. The Cliff House Hotel was or is next door to Bernie's (Bernie Callahan's, I think). alfa would have had his back to the wall of what was the doctor's house.

SandhillRoad · 13-11-2005 2:55am

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Originally Posted by snow scorpion
alfa took his pic just a little ways up the road from where A90 took his pic, right? Alfa took his pic at the corner of that small street that's just north of the church. Or am I confused? (As I usually am. )
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As AERO says you are right.
The white house on the right of ALFA'S was called Salmon Lodge, supposed to be one of the oldest houses in Ballyb.
On the ocean side of that house is a steep cliff and a lane that goes down to Collins Seaweed Baths.

In A90's Bartlett Print you can see the end of that lane as it reaches the strand

AERO;
Does the road from Church Rd to Cliff House have a name. I remember a Mr. Dalton lived there

SandhillRoad · 13-11-2005 3:25am

A90Six wrote:

I was looking at the old postcard and at the lack of a large hotel where the Golf now sits. I blew up the piece behind where it should be, and Hey Presto! You can see where the lartigue stopped in Ballyb.

You can match the roof windows to the ones in this pic,

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Hi A90SIX:
my mistake in an earlier reply in regards to location.
. I thought the houses in the background were in William Street Listowel. When I find the photo with similiar roof lines I will post.
The attached photo I think is Ballyb. See the skylights in the houses.

SandhillRoad · 13-11-2005 3:39am

www.monorails.org/ tMspages/Listowel.html

Go to LINKS for Lartigue Monorailway info

snow scorpion · 13-11-2005 6:47am

SandhillRoad wrote:

AERO;
Does the road from Church Rd to Cliff House have a name. I remember a Mr. Dalton lived there

And wasn't there a pub just to the left of the Cliff House - the front was painted white last time I saw it. Or was the pub part of the Cliff House?

A90Six · 13-11-2005 1:24pm

SS: you missed it

snow scorpion wrote:

And wasn't there a pub just to the left of the Cliff House - the front was painted white last time I saw it. Or was the pub part of the Cliff House?

A couple of posts up

A90Six wrote:

Your'e right. The Cliff House Hotel was or is next door to Bernie's (Bernie Callahan's, I think). alfa would have had his back to the wall of what was the doctor's house.

snow scorpion · 14-11-2005 1:54am

A couple of posts up

Sometimes I can be so stoopid.

SandhillRoad · 14-11-2005 3:06am

snow scorpion wrote:

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Lurkers need a pep talk from you !

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SandhillRoad · 14-11-2005 8:24pm

Neither is this, found it some time ago. Looks like a sing-along

Aero wrote:

This is NOT a picture of the Ballybunion Pipe Band. However, in spite of playing in the band (as a drummer) for a good number of years, I don't have one photo of the various combinations of players. During my time in the band, Milie (spelling?) Costello was Pipe Major. Anyone have pictures of the band(s) from this era? (Say 1965 to 1972.)

snow scorpion · 14-11-2005 9:54pm

SandhillRoad wrote:

snow scorpion wrote:

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Lurkers need a pep talk from you !

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Allllll right, you crummy lurkers! Why don't you get off your lazy cowardly asses and post something?! Do you think your families, friends, and loved ones are proud of your behavior here? Skulking in the background like rats in the darkest corner of a hay shed?!

Do you think the people who are important to you would respect you if they knew you were too gutless to actually say something to some friendly people who have something in common with you? What the hell is the matter with you eejits? Were you always backwards? Or is this something new in your worthless good-for-nothing lives?

You lurkers make me sick to my stomach! I'd rather drink rancid camel vomit than be like you!! I'd rather kiss Camilla Parker Bowles than be like you!! (Hey, did you her Charles took Camilla to the dog show? She finished second! *rimshot*) I'd rather be French than be like you!!!

What if you were to die tomorrow? What would you tell St. Peter when he asks why you should be let into Heaven? You were too gutless to even talk about Ballybunion anonymously to people who genuinly want to hear what you have to say!

How do you look at yourselves in the mirror?! Aren't you ashamed to be you? You're not? Well, you ought to be!!

Now do something to redeem your pathetic souls and post something and pray you don't get hit by a bus before you start posting or St. Peter will be laughing at you so hard he'll wet his robe as he slams the Pearly Gate in your faces!!

Sandhill,
how was that?

SandhillRoad · 14-11-2005 10:44pm

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Too tough too soon.

snow scorpion · 15-11-2005 1:10am

snow scorpion · 15-11-2005 1:11am

Something from my Ballybunion experiences

SandhillRoad · 15-11-2005 3:55am

Did you get the DANDY as well ?

Do you remember 'Desperate Dan'?

I could not wait for the Annual Christmas Issues.

When Cherry Tree .in the Listowel Forum .puts up some more photos I have a story to tell about the comics.

snow scorpion · 15-11-2005 5:35am

SandhillRoad wrote:

Did you get the DANDY as well ?

Do you remember 'Desperate Dan'?

I could not wait for the Annual Christmas Issues.

When Cherry Tree .in the Listowel Forum .puts up some more photos I have a story to tell about the comics.

'Desperate Dan' :rolleyes:

I remember a strip once where he wanted to shave, but his beard was so tough no razor could cut it.

All right, Sandhill, get ready for a blast from the past!

snow scorpion · 15-11-2005 5:39am

Bully Beef & Chips from The Dandy

snow scorpion · 15-11-2005 5:56am

A90, which one is the convent?

Is that the same convent where all the girls in the area were educated?

I remember my mother telling me about going to school "at the convent."

(I'm guessing #2 - looks like there a cross on top of the building. Did you ever see the episode of Married with Children where Kelly was talking to a priest on the phone and she says, "I'll be right over. Now, you live in the house with the big "T" on top, right?

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PIcture It! 9 makes crappy arrows.

A90Six · 15-11-2005 11:20am

snow scorpion wrote:

A90, which one is the convent?

Is that the same convent where all the girls in the area were educated?

I remember my mother telling me about going to school "at the convent."

(I'm guessing #2 - looks like there a cross on top of the building. Did you ever see the episode of Married with Children where Kelly was talking to a priest on the phone and she says, "I'll be right over. Now, you live in the house with the big "T" on top, right? )

PIcture It! 9 makes crappy arrows.

#1 is a row of houses. If you could move up from this angle, the houses are in a reversed "L" shape with the long line heading east to the Doon Road. That's where I usually park when coming down to The Nuns' Strand.

#2 was the Convent. It has now been converted into flats (apartments) and I think it is owned by the council (corporation). It was where I also went to school as a small child, before reaching the ripe old age of seven when I went to the Boys' National between Ahafona and the East End.
I remember Sr. Alavicious and Sr. Louis. They once tied me to a chair and faced it into the corner for chasing the girls into the girls' toilets - and following them in.
Knuckle-rapping with the edge of a light-oak ruler was one of their favourite pastimes along with cheek-pulling, ear-pulling and pre-pubescent-sideburn pulling.
Sr. Louis once screamed at me, while standing on her desk, to throw the mouse I had caught in the classroom, on to the open fire. I began to sing All things bright and beautiful as I walked out of the classroom and released the mouse on to the grass outside.
As I sat snivelling, rubbing the hot welt across my palm from the single swipe of the cane she gave me, I still could not understand why she wanted me to kill one of God's creatures in such a way. I didn't bother trying to catch any more mice though! Ahh, the good old days!

SandhillRoad · 15-11-2005 11:56pm

snow scorpion wrote:

'Desperate Dan' :rolleyes:

I remember a strip once where he wanted to shave, but his beard was so tough no razor could cut it.

All right, Sandhill, get ready for a blast from the past!

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How could I forget the Beezer !

snow scorpion · 16-11-2005 1:29am

A90Six wrote:

#1 is a row of houses. If you could move up from this angle, the houses are in a reversed "L" shape with the long line heading east to the Doon Road. That's where I usually park when coming down to The Nuns' Strand.

#2 was the Convent. It has now been converted into flats (apartments) and I think it is owned by the council (corporation). It was where I also went to school as a small child, before reaching the ripe old age of seven when I went to the Boys' National between Ahafona and the East End.
I remember Sr. Alavicious and Sr. Louis. They once tied me to a chair and faced it into the corner for chasing the girls into the girls' toilets - and following them in.
Knuckle-rapping with the edge of a light-oak ruler was one of their favourite pastimes along with cheek-pulling, ear-pulling and pre-pubescent-sideburn pulling.
Sr. Louis once screamed at me, while standing on her desk, to throw the mouse I had caught in the classroom, on to the open fire. I began to sing All things bright and beautiful as I walked out of the classroom and released the mouse on to the grass outside.
As I sat snivelling, rubbing the hot welt across my palm from the single swipe of the cane she gave me, I still could not understand why she wanted me to kill one of God's creatures in such a way. I didn't bother trying to catch any more mice though! Ahh, the good old days!

I don't remember ever hearing anyone say anything good about the nuns and brothers who used to teach school in Ireland way back when.

I went to Catholic school in the Bronx and most of the nuns who taught me were nice. Sister Marie Therese (3rd grade) and Sister Rose Anthony (7th grade) could be kind of scary on the days they were in a bad mood.

I think the Catholic Church has been making sure teaching nuns must have calmer, more patient personalities before assigning them as schoolteachers anymore.

SandhillRoad · 17-11-2005 4:33am

Hello All,
this map is from a book on Kerry printed in 1756.
I have the book, but it is too fragile to scan. Might take photos and post. Lots of info on people, flora and fauna etc.
Published Dublin 1756

SNOWSCORPION , AERO,A90SIX:
Even Doon is mentioned. !

SandhillRoad · 17-11-2005 4:39am

see,Listowel, Lisselton etc?

SandhillRoad · 17-11-2005 5:01am

Here they are together

snow scorpion · 17-11-2005 6:22am

1756? :eek:

Ballybunion, Listowel, Lisselton ... they've all been around since before America?

Wow. Very impressive.

And Knockanore has been around since before America?!

OK, I'm being a smartass now. I know the castle goes back to what ... the 1500s, but I didn't know the entire village went back so far.

A90Six · 17-11-2005 11:43am

Very interesting map SR. Some of what it shows, I had known about, but had never seen a map. You will notice that there is no significant road from Listowel to Ballybunion. The road to Ballybunion from the east ran around the coast and did not cut off just west of Astee to Doon as it does now. The road south from Ballyb did not cut around the Cashen by Mweevoo and Mweevuck to the narrow part, but continued straight on at Rahoonagh to where the ferry took traffic across to Ayle and through Ardcullan to Ballyduff - which doesn't get a mention on the map. The bridge now over the Cashen is called Ferry Bridge.
The dimensions are a bit out - only to be expected from a hand-drawn map - but I find it odd that Urlee (Urly) is included just above Lisselton (Lisseltin). It appears to show a castle or tower there. Urlee is a townland on the south-central lower slopes of Knockanore. I do not know of any such structure or ruin there and the only items I can find on the present day Ordnance Survey map is a Holy Well in Lahesheragh North and a Cillín (whatever that is) near Killomerhoe. I am hoping to acquire some Ordnance Survey maps of the area from the early 1900's soon. If I do I shall make some more comparisons.

SandhillRoad · 17-11-2005 7:26pm

Some information from the 1756 book on Kerry.I will add more snippets.

SandhillRoad · 17-11-2005 7:27pm

more

SandhillRoad · 17-11-2005 7:29pm

more

SandhillRoad · 17-11-2005 7:31pm

more

SandhillRoad · 17-11-2005 7:33pm

more

SandhillRoad · 17-11-2005 7:35pm

One more to come

SandhillRoad · 17-11-2005 7:37pm

Sent from Dublin in 1897 to a Mr. Coffey in Boston.

snow scorpion · 17-11-2005 8:00pm

A90Six wrote:

.... a Holy Well in Lahesheragh North

A90, what's a Holy Well?

snow scorpion · 17-11-2005 8:05pm

Volcano ... bonfire ... six of one, half a dozen of the other.

I'll have to read more of that later, Sandhill.

reic · 17-11-2005 11:18pm

Jeez, I've been away for a while and these Ballybunion/Listowel threads have gone mad!

Keep it up!

snow scorpion · 17-11-2005 11:22pm

reic wrote:

Jeez, I've been away for a while and these Ballybunion/Listowel threads have gone mad!

Keep it up!

Someday, we'll be taking over the entire board! MUHAHAHAHA!!

A90Six · 17-11-2005 11:52pm

snow scorpion wrote:

A90, what's a Holy Well?

From:http://website.lineone.net/~geoff.burton/wells/wells.html
Holy Wells

Right across Europe, and probably beyond, there are places were water is held to be sacred. Offerings are left, and prayers said. In England there are hundreds, possibly thousands of holy wells dotted through the landscape, often neglected and overgrown. Hundreds more have been lost.
There are hundreds, too, in Scotland, Wales and especially Ireland, where a much higher proportion are still in regular use.
In many places, rags, handkerchiefs or clothes are tied to the trees above or around the well. The sympathetic-magic idea about this custom is that as the rag rots away, so does your illness. This seems to be an incredibly widespread custom - I have seen rag-trees in Armenia (though not associated with wells) and come across referneces from as far afield as Tuva in central Asia.

snow scorpion · 18-11-2005 1:58am

Any idea where in North Lahesheragh?

I know where there's a well in North Lahesheragh. Whether or not it's a Holy Well I couldn't say.

A90Six · 18-11-2005 2:28am

SandhillRoad wrote:

One more to come

What a great read it must be. I have read some extracts from the book before on the net, but it must be great to have the whole thing there in front of you. I would really like to see the next page if possible - combustible what? I had heard of the fire before. It was given to me as the reason for the colouring of the cliffs.

"A long time ago, the very stone of the cliffs themselves spontaneously combusted and burned for weeks. That is why the cliffs are so black and you can still see the orange of the flames on the cliff wallls."

I was once discussing the much pondered question of whether Knockanore translates as "The Hill of Gold" or "The Hill of Slaughter" with my uncle. While I suspected that there was no gold, I felt that it may have been named such because of the furze that grows there; in the autumn it has a golden colour above the green of the surrounding fields. My uncle told me that this could not be the case as the furze was first planted there not so long ago (probably a couple of hundred years) in the boggy ground as fodder for grazing animals because no grass grew there amongst the heathers.

He then told me of a legend that there was a might battle fought on Knockanore and the local leader "The Cat Woman" was losing and eventually retreated and hid in catacombs beneath the Castle Green. Some even say that there is a tunnel from the mountain to the Castle Green although it has never been found.

A myth perhaps, but ten or twenty years ago a tunnel was found at the side of the Castle Green cliff on the Men's Strand side. Archaeologists had a look at it and it was then sealed up. I never found out what was discovered or how far in it went.

My uncle then said that while he felt that there was no gold, "Fools' Gold could be found in plenty along the cliffs. I had never seen it, but I wonder of the orange colour on some of the cliffs and cave walls could be rust from the iron pyrite - that's if iron pyrite rusts?

Does anyone know if a geological study has been done of the cliffs? If so, let me know. I imagine they are just made up of sedimentary layers, but why is it so black?

A90Six · 18-11-2005 2:38am

snow scorpion wrote:

Any idea where in North Lahesheragh?

I know where there's a well in North Lahesheragh. Whether or not it's a Holy Well I couldn't say.

Head out from Ballybunion towards The Listowel Road and take a 90 degree left up The Moohane Road just before the Grotto at Ahafona. This road goes north and then curves around east until it comes out to a crossroads on the road that goes up from The Barra Road up to Tullamore. If you go straight across from The Moohane Road the road ends after a few hundred yards. At the road's end, according to the map, is the site of the Holy Well.

A90Six · 18-11-2005 3:01am

The book was published in 1756. The writer says, "...about 14 years ago, there was a kind of volcano... ." The note at the bottom of the page says "The following relation ... was published in 1733...", so,does anyone know exactly when the fire was?

snow scorpion · 18-11-2005 3:07am

I was in Tullamore only once so I'm probably wasting your time and mine trying to figure where the well is, but wasting time is 90% of what the interweb is about.

A90Six · 18-11-2005 3:27am

You've got to take a look at this.

How to save $1,000!!!
Cut your lawn and make a couple of holes!

SandhillRoad · 18-11-2005 3:50am

reic wrote:

Jeez, I've been away for a while and these Ballybunion/Listowel threads have gone mad!

Keep it up!

Reic, hope all is well in Cork.
Welcome back.
Thought you might be interested in th LIXNAW item of the 1756 Book on County Kerry.

SandhillRoad · 18-11-2005 4:01am

A90SIX quote:
What a great read it must be. I have read some extracts from the book before on the net, but it must be great to have the whole thing there in front of you. I would really like to see the next page if possible - combustible what? I had heard of the fire before. It was given to me as the reason for the colouring of the cliffs.
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I do not have the book in front of me now. Tomorrow I will give you the exact title. I know it has been re published in modern times.
The print is pretty small and only when I blow it up can I read it better.

I just picked pieces at random.

I will follow up on your request re Volcano.
Are the BLACK ROCKS the same composition as the cliffs?
If I remember right the Black Rocks were very rough and cutting on the bare feet.

Yes, we always wondered about Cnoc an Oir. Was there gold there? Was it a place of Pagan worship?

A90Six · 18-11-2005 4:02am

Moohane is pronounced "MOO" then a hard H like a soft K and the "ANE" rhymes with DAWN. That's close enough "MOOKAWN".

The grotto (built by my grandfather) is on the right of the white northerly facing road that goes into Keneiry's (not sure of the spelling) Farm, under the "knew" of "I never knew that."

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