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Tralee to Fenit Greenway

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  • Registered Users Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    No idea about the ownership, but don't let that stop you, the much lauded Great Western Greenway was built on privately owned land.
    What would be the situ with the Castleisland branch (Gortatlea-Castleisland)

    AFAIK it was closed in the 70's and lifted in the 80's, is the trackbed still owned by IE?

    Might be another contender for a walking trail.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Scenically Gortalea Jn./Castleisland has nothing going for it - take a walk in the garden instead. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    It might not be the Garden of Eden, but at least it would add something to the area by way of a safe walkway/cycleway without getting plastered across the bonnet of a car.


  • Registered Users Posts: 815 ✭✭✭Quaderno


    Maby someone might get photos as construction progress

    Here you are:
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    Great pictures. Will they knock down the wall in rock street across from Dunnes?


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  • Site Banned Posts: 60 ✭✭Kerry County Council


    Great pictures. Will they knock down the wall in rock street across from Dunnes?


    Yes. They will be bringing it in off the road somewhat, as they will be creating a number of car parking spaces off Rock Street (in the space behind the wall where it currently stands), both for those looking to park and go for a walk and also for local businesses. It's planned to have a low wall with railing on top and entrance into the walk.

    The attached drawing might give you some idea


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    How long will these works take?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,958 ✭✭✭delthedriver


    How long will it take to complete the Tralee / Fenit trail way?
    Has any work commenced at the Fenit end?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    How long will it take to complete the Tralee / Fenit trail way?
    Has any work commenced at the Fenit end?



    It should take maby a few weeks or a month it depends. No work yet at the Fenit end. The work at the moment is on the Rock Street to Mounthawk section.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭The_Wanderer


    Hi all,

    A photographic survey of the Fenit Branch taken over the weekend showing the current state of the disused railway.
    http://smu.gs/QRsBGg


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    Hi all,

    A photographic survey of the Fenit Branch taken over the weekend showing the current state of the disused railway.
    http://smu.gs/QRsBGg



    Hi they are very good pics.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭RikkFlair


    Great to see this project off and running, I'm here in west Limerick and I use the Great Southern Trail as often as I can, will definitely be taking a spin back to Tralee with the bike to check this out whenever its opened.

    It might be many years in the future but it would be great to see Rathkeale linked all the way to Fenit but I don't know how feasible this would be. Developing these lines for cycle tourism is a no brainer really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭amadain


    RikkFlair wrote: »
    Great to see this project off and running, I'm here in west Limerick and I use the Great Southern Trail as often as I can, will definitely be taking a spin back to Tralee with the bike to check this out whenever its opened.


    Hopefully ready by next summer please ! - although a few, small farmers/small minded neighbours, don't see the bigger picture (envelope) yet !


    Wonder how the finance/grants for this is going ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Tralee - Mallow next?


  • Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭amadain


    kingdumb wrote: »
    No idea about the ownership, but don't let that stop you, the much lauded Great Western Greenway was built on privately owned land.


    With thanks to The Irish Times....

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0723/1224320622728.html



    Greenway puts a hidden asset back on track


    QUITE OFTEN it is the simplest ideas that are the most innovative and ultimately the most successful. The award-winning Great Western Greenway in Co Mayo, Ireland’s first off-road walking and cycling path, is an excellent example of such a simple idea in action.

    The Greenway runs along the line of the disused Westport to Achill railway track, which closed in 1937. At 42km it is the longest such facility in the country and the first portion of the National Cycle Network to be developed.

    Those walking or cycling along it enjoy spectacular views of the landscape, the Atlantic Ocean and Clew Bay, as well as shaded areas where they can enjoy the tranquillity of this unique rural setting.

    The project has proved tremendously successful already. In its first year of operation – since mid-2011 – a new cycling culture has evolved in all of the towns and villages along the track. About 145,000 people have used the route, contributing more than €7 million to the local economy and supporting more than 90 jobs in the process.

    The project originated in a 2006 proposal by elected Mayo County Council members to upgrade the county’s walking tourism product, says Anna Connor, Mayo County Council walking and cycling development officer.

    “They proposed that we look at what they had in the English Lake District and we found that the area was full of tourists with a great buzz,” she says. “Mayo has everything that the Lake District has in terms of natural beauty and proximity to an international airport, so we decided to look at what we could do [to get the idea off the ground].”

    This led to the council receiving funding from the Department of Transport to open up the railway line to cyclists.

    The Greenway is not just for walkers and cyclists, however, but appeals to large sections of society. It has become a world- class holiday attraction, an idyllic linear recreational park, a sustainable transport corridor and an employment-generating enterprise that has stimulated regeneration, entrepreneurialism and no little pride among the communities along its route.

    “It is a major signature project for us in Mayo County Council and the other development organisations in the county,” says development officer Neil Sheridan.

    “What it has generated for the local economy has been fantastic. While using the route is free, a lot of people stop for tea, ice cream and so on and spend money in other ways.

    “This is inspiring entrepreneurs and acting as a catalyst for growth, regeneration and community development.”

    Examples of this entrepreneurial activity include the Gourmet Greenway, a food trail showcasing artisan food produced along or near the route, and Artists on the Greenway, a painting, education and exhibition initiative of local artists and sculptors.

    An integrated recreational plan was developed for the Greenway, which includes the track, a linear park, play facilities and existing recreational facilities. In addition the Greenway, acting as a spine, crosses 15 nationally accredited walking trails, which has enabled the linking up of a comprehensive network of adventure trails in this area of Mayo.

    Sheridan points to the innovative dimension of the project. “It is an excellent example of innovation – taking a hidden and long-forgotten asset, looking at it in a new way and exploiting its full potential for local and national betterment.”

    Until the development of the Greenway, trails in Ireland had been designed and established almost purely for walking or hiking purposes.

    The Great Western Greenway, however, was designed for the cycling market, which had not been fully exploited. The concept however went further than cycleway provision to encourage multipurpose use.

    Before the Greenway was opened, cycling in Ireland was generally confined to busy public roads, with short and fragmented cycleways available in certain urban areas.

    Dedicated cycling infrastructure was generally not available in smaller towns or in rural areas. Provision of off-road cycling facilities as a method of promoting the activity for both domestic users and visitors was a new concept as was the conversion of old railways into pathways.

    The Greenway was planned, designed and constructed by Mayo County Council using its own professional staff all within a two-year period. It has also proved to be an excellent demonstration model of what Sheridan calls inclusive community partnership, multi- agency co-operation, creativity, teamwork and flexibility.

    He says that the Westport to Achill railway was abandoned by the Great Southern Railway in 1937 and its land was sold to private individuals over a period of 70 years.

    Under normal circumstances, an engineering project of this size and scale would involve significant land acquisition to enable its development. However, the Greenway was developed using what are known as permissive access agreements.

    Mayo County Council approached each of the 161 landowners along the route seeking an agreement that would permit the development of a path along their railway land and also permit the public to cycle or walk through. No land was purchased nor were any landowners compensated.

    “I can’t emphasise enough the role the landowners have played in the project,” says Sheridan. “The project was made possible through their good will. They wished to see the Greenway developed as a local amenity and as a tourist attraction of national significance.”

    While permissive access agreements had been used before in Ireland, this was confined to small inexpensive developments. The Greenway is the largest engineering project in which such agreements have been used to date.

    This required a considerable change in mindset and a leap of faith on the part of all involved as well as a paradigm shift in the way the council developed the project.

    Unlike other engineering projects, where the local authority has full ownership of and responsibility for it, the Greenway landowners and the council have become partners in the development and operation of the Greenway.

    A specially established management committee comprising of local landowners, community representatives, schools, business and tourism representatives and Mayo County Council personnel oversee the strategic direction and smooth operation of the Greenway.

    “We couldn’t have done it without this partnership,” says Sheridan. “The local Leader Group and Fáilte Ireland also played key roles. Anna Connor, our cycling development officer, has done Trojan work on it as did the development engineer, Pádraig Philbin.

    “Everybody was 100 per cent behind it from the start. We have people out there maintaining it and a lot of the time their work goes above and beyond the call of duty. This shows the passion that everyone involved shares for the project.”

    This partnership approach has resulted in collaboration in the operation and marketing of the Greenway, too.

    It is being offered and marketed as a packaged experience, with a number of services and activities being bundled together.

    For example, accommodation is being provided with food, bike hire, guided tours and drop-off and collection services. This has created added value and ensures the customer has a much better experience.

    It is already making an impact on the international stage and received the 2011 International European Destination of Excellence award from the European Commission.

    It has also been voted Best Cycle Trail in Ireland by Outsider magazine and one of Ireland’s Top 10 Outdoor Activities by the Guardian newspaper as well as receiving an Irish Times Innovation Award earlier this year.

    In the future it is planned to extend the Greenway from Westport to Croagh Patrick and also to Castlebar.

    In the medium term, it is proposed to extend it as far as the National Museum of Country Life in Castlebar and to the Mayo National Park at Ballycroy. Eventually it is planned to link it into a proposed Connemara Greenway at Clifden, thereby creating a Wild Atlantic Trail that can compete with the best internationally.

    “We are looking forward to seeing it go from strength to strength,” Sheridan adds. “It has been hugely beneficial to the local area and has certainly ticked the tourism and economic boxes for the county.”


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    Originally Posted by kingdumb

    No idea about the ownership, but don't let that stop you, the much lauded Great Western Greenway was built on privately owned land.


    Yes, but it was sh!te land in the middle of nowhere, populated by a handful of sheep. Value negligible to landowners. No squatters hoping to extend their garden by a few feet either I'd imagine. Tourists seem to find the howling wastes picturesque. :D

    If you tried putting a trail on the former West Cork through good fertile land, you wouldn't have a hope.


  • Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭amadain


    Have a look at the 'Greenway TV' to get a better feel of the countryside on here.

    http://www.greenway.ie/index.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    Still looks like marginal land to me, of little use to modern agriculture and little (monetary) value. Easy to give away.

    Their 'History' section could do with some correction, pics of an engine that only ever ran Dublin-Cork and a tank loco from the uk.


  • Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭amadain


    Why does "a considerable change in mindset" come to mind ?????

    Maybe watch the movie 'THE FIELD' (is mine) to see how "easy" it is for Oirish people "to give away" their land (even "marginal land").
    Thankfully, all of the land on the Tralee/Fenit Railway is still owned by "CIE".
    Indeed, MOST of this railway is "marginal land, of little use to modern agriculture". "Squatters" beware !!!


    http://www.greenway.ie/index.html

    "Tourists" love the "howling" beautiful countryside, so "picturesque" !
    No wonder it's so popular and an "EDEN" Awards winner (European Destinations of Excellence).

    What's lost in "West Cork", is Mayo's gain imvho.



    p.s.
    The pictures on the 'History' section are sample images to reinforce the headings i.e. picture of steering wheel in a Vintage Car (even if it's left-hand drive) placed beside "Development of roads in the 1930’s..."
    Anyways, hope their website above was enlightening as you seem to have had a thorough look through it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,193 ✭✭✭✭Kerrydude1981




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  • Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭amadain


    http://www.southerntrail.net/

    Only a matter of time before the Abbeyfeale to Listowel section is complete and then it's 'onwards and upwards' to Tralee & Fenit !


  • Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭amadain


    Taken from the http://www.southerntrail.net/ website

    Southern Trail News...

    Greenway to the border with Co. Kerry

    It is hoped that work will be completed before Christmas by Limerick County Council on the 3 km extension of the Great Southern Trail [GST] which will bring the Greenway to the border with Co. Kerry. The GST will be organising its Annual December 27th 2012 walk along this route; further details later. The GST greatly appreciates the support of the County Council and also welcomes the initiative by the Limerick Local Area Councillors to meet with their cross-border colleagues in Co. Kerry with a view to progressing the trail further.

    Full story from The Limerick Leader

    http://www.southerntrail.net/documents/limerick%20leader%20gst%20ky%20border.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    anybody have any idea when the current constriction works on the rock street to mounthaw section should be complete?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    Is construction on the section from abbeyfeale to kilmorna under way at the moment?


  • Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭theaceofspies


    This is starting to turn into an embarrasment for KCC. At this rate of progress the project might be completed sometime in 2041. Time to "push" the project forward instead of waiting for it to happen by itself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭RikkFlair


    Is construction on the section from abbeyfeale to kilmorna under way at the moment?

    They said that they hoped to have this section completed by Christmas so I imagine they've started at this section by now. They will have to build a structure in place of the old railway bridge across the Abbeyfeale-Athea road which is long gone.

    I'll be passing that way in the next week so I'll see if theres any progress.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    RikkFlair wrote: »
    They said that they hoped to have this section completed by Christmas so I imagine they've started at this section by now. They will have to build a structure in place of the old railway bridge across the Abbeyfeale-Athea road which is long gone.

    I'll be passing that way in the next week so I'll see if theres any progress.




    When you pass nextweek you might get some photos of the works if possible?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭RikkFlair


    When you pass nextweek you might get some photos of the works if possible?

    I'll do my best, not sure how close I can get to the works.


  • Registered Users Posts: 834 ✭✭✭kingdumb


    It's mind boggling allright, they seem to have no interest in developing this despite the fact that CIE are willing to hand it over for free !

    This extension to the GST also highlights the speed at which projects like these can be competed if local authorities put their minds to it.

    Funding awarded in July, and due to be completed by December, that's planning, part 8, council approval and construction all in under 5 months !

    The funding for the Spa to Fenit project was granted in 2009 we are now less that a month from 2013 and it still hasn't even got to planning !



    This is starting to turn into an embarrasment for KCC. At this rate of progress the project might be completed sometime in 2041. Time to "push" the project forward instead of waiting for it to happen by itself.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭stevielenihan


    kingdumb wrote: »
    It's mind boggling allright, they seem to have no interest in developing this despite the fact that CIE are willing to hand it over for free !

    This extension to the GST also highlights the speed at which projects like these can be competed if local authorities put their minds to it.

    Funding awarded in July, and due to be completed by December, that's planning, part 8, council approval and construction all in under 5 months !

    The funding for the Spa to Fenit project was granted in 2009 we are now less that a month from 2013 and it still hasn't even got to planning !








    The Rock Street to Mounthawk is underway however.


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