Things people go out of their way not to pay for

howardmarks · 26-08-2020 8:00am #1

This might be a short list but with Bank of Ireland raising fees and removing the option for free banking people seem to be dropping their sh*t cause 'banking should be free'.
Ryanair paying for seats is another. Pay 10€ for a flight to Europe but won't pay a few euro to sit beside your family, kid, spouse and then wander up and down the plane the whole flight.
Anything else to add to this?

passremarkable · 26-08-2020 8:05am

Parking

Gregor Samsa · 26-08-2020 8:05am

Domestic water.

Surreptitious · 26-08-2020 8:10am

Sex.

26-08-2020 8:15am

howardmarks wrote: »

This might be a short list but with Bank of Ireland raising fees and removing the option for free banking people seem to be dropping their sh*t cause 'banking should be free'.
Ryanair paying for seats is another. Pay 10€ for a flight to Europe but won't pay a few euro to sit beside your family, kid, spouse and then wander up and down the plane the whole flight.
Anything else to add to this?

I had a junkie tell me my seat 'was being held' for his girlfriend who was a nervous flyer when sitting alone. We argued, I told him he could ask the people she was sitting beside to swap but I paid for the window seat and she could have too.

After take off it transpired that her entire family were on the plane and all pulled this ****.

26-08-2020 8:17am

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I had a junkie tell me my seat 'was being held' for his girlfriend who was a nervous flyer when sitting alone. We argued, I told him he could ask the people she was sitting beside to swap but I paid for the window seat and she could have too.

After take off it transpired that her entire family were on the plane and all pulled this ****.

You don't come off nearly as well as you think you do in that story.

26-08-2020 8:19am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You don't come off nearly as well as you think you do in that story.

Because I didn't give in to a bull**** story by a cheap ass who was spending his summer in Spain on your money? Oh no!

whisky_galore · 26-08-2020 8:25am

howardmarks wrote: »

Ryanair paying for seats is another. Pay 10€ for a flight to Europe but won't pay a few euro to sit beside your family, kid, spouse and then wander up and down the plane the whole flight.
Anything else to add to this?

Live with these people 24/7, but can't bear being separated for 1.5 or 2 hours esp when they have their heads stuck in a tablet or a book anyway....

Surreptitious · 26-08-2020 8:27am

Tipping delivery drivers and waiting staff. (It's not America)

JohnnyFlash · 26-08-2020 8:29am

Journalism and public service broadcasting. Then complain about clickbait, press releases being quickly rewritten as articles, outrage culture, influencers, and their voice not being heard.

Wanderer78 · 26-08-2020 8:29am

howardmarks wrote:

This might be a short list but with Bank of Ireland raising fees and removing the option for free banking people seem to be dropping their sh*t cause 'banking should be free'. Ryanair paying for seats is another. Pay 10â‚¬ for a flight to Europe but won't pay a few euro to sit beside your family, kid, spouse and then wander up and down the plane the whole flight. Anything else to add to this?

Large corporations make an astonishing level of wealth off the backs of ordinary working folks, particularly when they're bailed out, I see virgin are currently getting a cool billion from the British tax payer, you d feel sorry for them!

26-08-2020 9:04am

People don't want to pay for anything they need. It seems to me like people think they're entitled to everything they need and that their own money should be reserved for holidays and luxuries.

Back when I worked in retail, people were forever complaining about the prices of things with a cry of "but I need it".

Even transport - "I didn't buy a ticket because I would have missed my train". Oh right, your train is so important you need to be let off paying, but not so important that you could show up on time.

Passports, driver's licences, wifi, even smokes. The list is endless, no one wants to pay for anything, regardless of how much money they have.

the purple tin · 26-08-2020 9:05am

howardmarks wrote: »

This might be a short list but with Bank of Ireland raising fees and removing the option for free banking people seem to be dropping their sh*t cause 'banking should be free'.
Ryanair paying for seats is another. Pay 10€ for a flight to Europe but won't pay a few euro to sit beside your family, kid, spouse and then wander up and down the plane the whole flight.
Anything else to add to this?

Why shouldn't banking be free?
If you deposit 100 in the bank they can then lend out 1000 based on your money and charge interest on those loans.

The banks are already making enough money from us without banking fees.

Yyhhuuu · 26-08-2020 9:10am

true-or-false wrote: »

People don't want to pay for anything they need. It seems to me like people think they're entitled to everything they need and that their own money should be reserved for holidays and luxuries.

Back when I worked in retail, people were forever complaining about the prices of things with a cry of "but I need it".

Even transport - "I didn't buy a ticket because I would have missed my train". Oh right, your train is so important you need to be let off paying, but not so important that you could show up on time.

Passports, driver's licences, wifi, even smokes. The list is endless, no one wants to pay for anything, regardless of how much money they have.

Perhaps they dont want to pay bank fees because they're free elsewhere in other Irish banks who gouge their customers with high lending rates relative to EU. perhaps it's that their nearest neighbour the UK doesnt charge for same service or that Ireland is a rip off in general.Just a thought..

Greta_Funberg · 26-08-2020 9:14am

"Social smokers" and fags. I get it, you don't want to get in the habit but ffs split a box or something. They don't grow on trees...

26-08-2020 9:15am

the purple tin wrote: »

Why shouldn't banking be free?
If you deposit 100 in the bank they can then lend out 1000 based on your money and charge interest on those loans.

The banks are already making enough money from us without banking fees.

Firstly, that's reductive to the point of inaccuracy.

Secondly, the keyword there is 'deposit'. Most deposit accounts have no fees.

The bank can't rely on funds lodged in your current account to match against long term loans. Plus, in a current account they're not simply holding onto it for you. They're facilitating transactions, your debit cards, direct debits and standing orders, providing you with internet banking etc.

Wanderer78 · 26-08-2020 9:18am

true-or-false wrote: »

Firstly, that's reductive to the point of inaccuracy.

Secondly, the keyword there is 'deposit'. Most deposit accounts have no fees.

The bank can't rely on funds lodged in your current account to match against long term loans. Plus, in a current account they're not simply holding onto it for you. They're facilitating transactions, your debit cards, direct debits and standing orders, providing you with internet banking etc.

i wouldnt be worrying too much about banks, they can do whatever they like, since we handed them the ability to create as much money as they want, pretty much so, and then they get the opportunity to sell us this money!

JasonStatham · 26-08-2020 9:28am

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I had a junkie tell me my seat 'was being held' for his girlfriend who was a nervous flyer when sitting alone. We argued, I told him he could ask the people she was sitting beside to swap but I paid for the window seat and she could have too.

After take off it transpired that her entire family were on the plane and all pulled this ****.

Yeah Ryanair is literally a Dublin Bus with wings. I wouldn't be seen dead on it. Always fly Aer Lingus.

Wanderer78 · 26-08-2020 9:29am

JasonStatham wrote: »

Yeah Ryanair is literally a Dublin Bus with wings. I wouldn't be seen dead on it. Always fly Aer Lingus.

they have given many the opportunity to travel though

Yyhhuuu · 26-08-2020 9:37am

JasonStatham wrote: »

Yeah Ryanair is literally a Dublin Bus with wings. I wouldn't be seen dead on it. Always fly Aer Lingus.

What's the difference?

2lazytogetup · 26-08-2020 9:40am

recall being in the city of london and they were handing out free sandwiches but you had to queue as you needed to sign up to something. lots of rich bankers (going by their expensive clothes and age) happy to wait 30min for a free sandwich.

as i write this ive just realised that at lunchtime in city of london you have to queue for a sandwich anyway.

2lazytogetup · 26-08-2020 9:41am

people dont pay for the luas. costs about 3euro on average. and the stress of having to keep an eye on inspectors, not worth it.

26-08-2020 9:44am

JasonStatham wrote: »

Yeah Ryanair is literally a Dublin Bus with wings. I wouldn't be seen dead on it. Always fly Aer Lingus.

You're worried about being seen on an airplane by someone else who chose to fly on said airplane? Why do you care what the plebs think of you?

Tazio · 26-08-2020 10:00am

JasonStatham wrote: »

Yeah Ryanair is literally a Dublin Bus with wings. I wouldn't be seen dead on it. Always fly Aer Lingus.

Aer Lingus = AirBus
Ryanair = Boeing

sorry - I just found this kinda funny.

TBH I've never been able to book a Ryanair flight for a family holiday and see a huge saving for the dates we wanted so always just went with Aer Lingus too

Gregor Samsa · 26-08-2020 10:07am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Large corporations make an astonishing level of wealth off the backs of ordinary working folks, particularly when they're bailed out, I see virgin are currently getting a cool billion from the British tax payer, you d feel sorry for them!

Eh, it's not the British taxpayer bailing them out, it's private investment.

Troubled airline Virgin Atlantic has finalised a rescue deal worth £1.2bn that should protect thousands of jobs.

Sir Richard Branson's Virgin Group will inject £200m, with additional funds provided by investors and creditors.

The billionaire Virgin boss had a request for government money rejected, leaving the airline in a race against time to secure new investment.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53406604

munsterdevil · 26-08-2020 10:10am

TV License, it's a mnority, but sizable minority

Mad_maxx · 26-08-2020 10:17am

JasonStatham wrote: »

Yeah Ryanair is literally a Dublin Bus with wings. I wouldn't be seen dead on it. Always fly Aer Lingus.

im tall so always pay extra for added legroom seats on Ryanair , once i have that done , i find their service perfectly fine , if i want a snack , il buy one , they are fine as well

Vita nova · 26-08-2020 10:18am

Paying delivery charges for online shopping. We add more items to our shopping lists just to reach the minimum amount for free shipping.
We use Parcel Motel or AddressPal to get a UK address, so that we can get free shipping on items shipped to a UK address, although in this case we pay an intermediary but there's usually a saving and it doesn't feel as direct.

Wanderer78 · 26-08-2020 10:20am

Vita nova wrote: »

Paying delivery charges for online shopping. We add more items to our shopping lists just to reach the minimum amount for free shipping.
We use Parcel Motel or AddressPal to get a UK address, so that we can get free shipping on items shipped to a UK address, although in this case we pay an intermediary but there's usually a saving and it doesn't feel as direct.

free delivery doesnt exist

Hodors Appletart · 26-08-2020 10:22am

Sport TV subs

I don't pay for one myself, but watch every game

daheff · 26-08-2020 10:23am

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Domestic water.

Yeah but we do pay for it under a 90s motor tax act (bizarrely).

Wanderer78 · 26-08-2020 10:24am

Hodors Appletart wrote: »

Sport TV subs

I don't pay for one myself, but watch every game

some people are simply unaware of the technology available to do so, or how to do it, some are also happy to pay for it, for more of a guarantee and support of service

Montage of Feck · 26-08-2020 10:25am

Those dicks who can't sit on a plane by themselves annoy me no end, I feel like homer Simpson losing his ass groove every I have to get up out of my chair to leave a half cut douchebag out and in again so he can sit next to his mate.

daheff · 26-08-2020 10:25am

true-or-false wrote: »

Plus, in a current account they're not simply holding onto it for you. They're facilitating transactions, your debit cards, direct debits and standing orders, providing you with internet banking etc.

And also want to charge you for the transactions you make.

Wanderer78 · 26-08-2020 10:26am

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Those dicks who can't sit on a plane by themselves annoy me no end, I feel like homer Simpson losing his ass groove every I have to get up out of my chair to leave a half cut douchebag out and in again so he can sit next to his mate.

maybe they have a fear of flying

26-08-2020 10:27am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

maybe they have a fear of flying

Take the aisle seat

tjhook · 26-08-2020 10:30am

Road tolls. Plenty of people leave a fast-moving motorway, to go through some bottleneck town/city, just to avoid €2.80 (or whatever it is).

I suppose if you had a route that took you through a toll twice per day it would add up pretty quickly, but I wonder if the added fuel spend would eat into the saving. Not to mention the additional time it takes.

Errashareesh · 26-08-2020 10:36am

Re bank charges:

This'll probably be met with "you big capitalist corporate loving whatnot" (even though I'm nothing of the sort) but I genuinely don't understand when people take issue with it.

If a service is provided, you pay for it. It's that simple. Why should a service be free?

The banks are not just the senior executives. They are the customer service advisors and sales agents on basic wages.

26-08-2020 10:36am

tjhook wrote: »

Road tolls. Plenty of people leave a fast-moving motorway, to go through some bottleneck town/city, just to avoid €2.80 (or whatever it is).

I suppose if you had a route that took you through a toll twice per day it would add up pretty quickly, but I wonder if the added fuel spend would eat into the saving. Not to mention the additional time it takes.

Theres occasions where the toll road is longer and for very little saved time. Not in Ireland but when I lived abroad there was a toll road, 6 euro return but you took an exit 100 matres before the toll and it added a whopping 5 minutes onto a 45 minute journey while saving about 10km distance.

Was more interesting as well for the kids looking out the window

Wanderer78 · 26-08-2020 10:38am

Errashareesh wrote: »

Re bank charges:

This'll probably be met with "you big capitalist corporate loving whatnot" (even though I'm nothing of the sort) but I genuinely don't understand when people take issue with it.

If a service is provided, you pay for it. It's that simple. Why should a service be free?

The banks are not just the senior executives. They are the customer service advisors and sales agents on basic wages.

banking business model has changed dramatically over the decades, it is now highly dangerous and parasitic, it gives little back, but extracts an astonishing level of wealth from society

Badly Drunk Boy · 26-08-2020 10:44am

I don't think it's been mentioned but a lot of people hate paying bin charges. It's a service that you need, so why wouldn't you pay for it?!? That's why there's so much fly-tipping, and people stuffing their household rubbish into public bins.

Wanderer78 · 26-08-2020 10:46am

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

I don't think it's been mentioned but a lot of people hate paying bin charges. It's a service that you need, so why wouldn't you pay for it?!? That's why there's so much fly-tipping, and people stuffing their household rubbish into public bins.

but we rarely discuss the negative aspects of privatizing our waste management systems, which plays a part in negative behaviors

26-08-2020 10:46am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

banking business model has changed dramatically over the decades, it is now highly dangerous and parasitic, it gives little back, but extracts an astonishing level of wealth from society

Modern societies rely entirely on the banking system and the complexities in it.

Blizzard · 26-08-2020 10:48am

munsterdevil wrote: »

TV License, it's a mnority, but sizable minority

I think the TV license fee is a ludicrous tax that we have to pay. RTE constantly run repeat tv programmes, they are completely & totally biased with their news media that's laughable, they should be accruing funding from their advertising/sponsors or the cable companies that most people subscribe too (ie, VirginMedia, Sky), and many people don't even watch RTE or have regular tv anymore (ie, Netflix and Prime subscriptions that they pay for). The money that is completely wasted in RTE is obscene and yet we are forced to pay this tax regardless.

Errashareesh · 26-08-2020 10:49am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

but we rarely discuss the negative aspects of privatizing our waste management systems, which plays a part in negative behaviors

Yeah I'm thinking the idiot who fires a mattress into a field isn't concerned whether waste collection is privatised or not.

Abdication of personal responsibility is a big problem on these isles.

In Germanic societies people recognise that that's what they're part of - a society - and pull together (not saying they're perfect societies either - none are).

Wanderer78 · 26-08-2020 10:50am

Deleted User wrote: »

Modern societies rely entirely on the banking system and the complexities in it.

oh theres no question, our banking systems are critical, but their activities should complement societies needs, but a large proportion of these activities are in fact counter active to our needs, and are now highly dangerous, as we ve recently discovered, but disturbingly, we ve decided to ignore this

Errashareesh · 26-08-2020 10:51am

Blizzard wrote: »

I think the TV license fee is a ludicrous tax that we have to pay. RTE constantly run repeat tv programmes, they are completely & totally biased with their news media that's laughable, they should be accruing funding from their advertising/sponsors or the cable companies that most people subscribe too (ie, VirginMedia, Sky), and many people don't even watch RTE or have regular tv anymore (ie, Netflix and Prime subscriptions that they pay for). The money that is completely wasted in RTE is obscene and yet we are forced to pay this tax regardless.

I've no problem paying for public broadcasting - the licence fee pays for radio also, and I think Radio One, Lyric and R na G are excellent.

But yes, the funds are not being spent well when it comes to TV. Or salaries.

Wanderer78 · 26-08-2020 10:52am

Errashareesh wrote: »

Yeah I'm thinking the idiot who fires a mattress into a field isn't concerned whether waste collection is privatised or not.

Abdication of personal responsibility is a big problem on these isles.

In Germanic societies people recognise that that's what they're part of - a society - and pull together (not saying they're perfect societies either - none are).

maybe countries such as germany have better functioning critical public services than our own, which encourages those citizens to behave more so towards the collective

c.p.w.g.w · 26-08-2020 10:52am

Hodors Appletart wrote: »

Sport TV subs

I don't pay for one myself, but watch every game

Just look how diluted the whole thing has become...
Virgin Sports
Eir Sports
BT Sport's
Premier Sports
Sky Sports

Ridiculous

crossman47 · 26-08-2020 10:53am

Its not free but our demand for cheap food is a really bad policy. Meat is being sold at less than the cost of production as supermarkets fight for market share. The result is bad production practices. I have argued with people who thought a piece of salmon was expensive until I pointed out fishermen have to go out, often in bad weather, to catch them.

Wanderer78 · 26-08-2020 10:54am

crossman47 wrote: »

Its not free but our demand for cheap food is a really bad policy. Meat is being sold at less than the cost of production as supermarkets fight for market share. The result is bad production practices. I have argued with people who thought a piece of salmon was expensive until I pointed out fishermen have to go out, often in bad weather, to catch them.

its the nature of the way we have designed our economic systems, its now failing, and we havent accepted this yet

Things people go out of their way not to pay for

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