Things people go out of their way not to pay for

Hodors Appletart wrote: »

Sport TV subs

I don't pay for one myself, but watch every game

some people are simply unaware of the technology available to do so, or how to do it, some are also happy to pay for it, for more of a guarantee and support of service

Montage of Feck

Those dicks who can't sit on a plane by themselves annoy me no end, I feel like homer Simpson losing his ass groove every I have to get up out of my chair to leave a half cut douchebag out and in again so he can sit next to his mate.

daheff

true-or-false wrote: »

Plus, in a current account they're not simply holding onto it for you. They're facilitating transactions, your debit cards, direct debits and standing orders, providing you with internet banking etc.

And also want to charge you for the transactions you make.

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Those dicks who can't sit on a plane by themselves annoy me no end, I feel like homer Simpson losing his ass groove every I have to get up out of my chair to leave a half cut douchebag out and in again so he can sit next to his mate.

maybe they have a fear of flying

Wanderer78 wrote: »

maybe they have a fear of flying

Take the aisle seat

tjhook

Road tolls. Plenty of people leave a fast-moving motorway, to go through some bottleneck town/city, just to avoid €2.80 (or whatever it is).

I suppose if you had a route that took you through a toll twice per day it would add up pretty quickly, but I wonder if the added fuel spend would eat into the saving. Not to mention the additional time it takes.

Re bank charges:

This'll probably be met with "you big capitalist corporate loving whatnot" (even though I'm nothing of the sort) but I genuinely don't understand when people take issue with it.

If a service is provided, you pay for it. It's that simple. Why should a service be free?

The banks are not just the senior executives. They are the customer service advisors and sales agents on basic wages.

tjhook wrote: »

Road tolls. Plenty of people leave a fast-moving motorway, to go through some bottleneck town/city, just to avoid €2.80 (or whatever it is).

I suppose if you had a route that took you through a toll twice per day it would add up pretty quickly, but I wonder if the added fuel spend would eat into the saving. Not to mention the additional time it takes.

Theres occasions where the toll road is longer and for very little saved time. Not in Ireland but when I lived abroad there was a toll road, 6 euro return but you took an exit 100 matres before the toll and it added a whopping 5 minutes onto a 45 minute journey while saving about 10km distance.

Was more interesting as well for the kids looking out the window

Errashareesh wrote: »

Re bank charges:

This'll probably be met with "you big capitalist corporate loving whatnot" (even though I'm nothing of the sort) but I genuinely don't understand when people take issue with it.

If a service is provided, you pay for it. It's that simple. Why should a service be free?

The banks are not just the senior executives. They are the customer service advisors and sales agents on basic wages.

banking business model has changed dramatically over the decades, it is now highly dangerous and parasitic, it gives little back, but extracts an astonishing level of wealth from society

Badly Drunk Boy

I don't think it's been mentioned but a lot of people hate paying bin charges. It's a service that you need, so why wouldn't you pay for it?!? That's why there's so much fly-tipping, and people stuffing their household rubbish into public bins.

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

I don't think it's been mentioned but a lot of people hate paying bin charges. It's a service that you need, so why wouldn't you pay for it?!? That's why there's so much fly-tipping, and people stuffing their household rubbish into public bins.

but we rarely discuss the negative aspects of privatizing our waste management systems, which plays a part in negative behaviors

Wanderer78 wrote: »

banking business model has changed dramatically over the decades, it is now highly dangerous and parasitic, it gives little back, but extracts an astonishing level of wealth from society

Modern societies rely entirely on the banking system and the complexities in it.

Blizzard

munsterdevil wrote: »

TV License, it's a mnority, but sizable minority

I think the TV license fee is a ludicrous tax that we have to pay. RTE constantly run repeat tv programmes, they are completely & totally biased with their news media that's laughable, they should be accruing funding from their advertising/sponsors or the cable companies that most people subscribe too (ie, VirginMedia, Sky), and many people don't even watch RTE or have regular tv anymore (ie, Netflix and Prime subscriptions that they pay for). The money that is completely wasted in RTE is obscene and yet we are forced to pay this tax regardless.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

but we rarely discuss the negative aspects of privatizing our waste management systems, which plays a part in negative behaviors

Yeah I'm thinking the idiot who fires a mattress into a field isn't concerned whether waste collection is privatised or not.

Abdication of personal responsibility is a big problem on these isles.

In Germanic societies people recognise that that's what they're part of - a society - and pull together (not saying they're perfect societies either - none are).

Deleted User wrote: »

Modern societies rely entirely on the banking system and the complexities in it.

oh theres no question, our banking systems are critical, but their activities should complement societies needs, but a large proportion of these activities are in fact counter active to our needs, and are now highly dangerous, as we ve recently discovered, but disturbingly, we ve decided to ignore this

Blizzard wrote: »

I think the TV license fee is a ludicrous tax that we have to pay. RTE constantly run repeat tv programmes, they are completely & totally biased with their news media that's laughable, they should be accruing funding from their advertising/sponsors or the cable companies that most people subscribe too (ie, VirginMedia, Sky), and many people don't even watch RTE or have regular tv anymore (ie, Netflix and Prime subscriptions that they pay for). The money that is completely wasted in RTE is obscene and yet we are forced to pay this tax regardless.

I've no problem paying for public broadcasting - the licence fee pays for radio also, and I think Radio One, Lyric and R na G are excellent.

But yes, the funds are not being spent well when it comes to TV. Or salaries.

Errashareesh wrote: »

Yeah I'm thinking the idiot who fires a mattress into a field isn't concerned whether waste collection is privatised or not.

Abdication of personal responsibility is a big problem on these isles.

In Germanic societies people recognise that that's what they're part of - a society - and pull together (not saying they're perfect societies either - none are).

maybe countries such as germany have better functioning critical public services than our own, which encourages those citizens to behave more so towards the collective

c.p.w.g.w

Hodors Appletart wrote: »

Sport TV subs

I don't pay for one myself, but watch every game

Just look how diluted the whole thing has become...
Virgin Sports
Eir Sports
BT Sport's
Premier Sports
Sky Sports

Ridiculous

crossman47

Its not free but our demand for cheap food is a really bad policy. Meat is being sold at less than the cost of production as supermarkets fight for market share. The result is bad production practices. I have argued with people who thought a piece of salmon was expensive until I pointed out fishermen have to go out, often in bad weather, to catch them.

crossman47 wrote: »

Its not free but our demand for cheap food is a really bad policy. Meat is being sold at less than the cost of production as supermarkets fight for market share. The result is bad production practices. I have argued with people who thought a piece of salmon was expensive until I pointed out fishermen have to go out, often in bad weather, to catch them.

its the nature of the way we have designed our economic systems, its now failing, and we havent accepted this yet

Wanderer78 wrote: »

maybe countries such as germany have better functioning critical public services than our own, which encourages those citizens to behave more so towards the collective

Or maybe their services are better BECAUSE people recognise they're part of a society.

It's not great to be responding to the issue of fly tipping with "well the services need improvement/shouldn't be privatised". The fly tipper is the one at fault, nobody else.

Tabnabs

crossman47 wrote: »

Its not free but our demand for cheap food is a really bad policy. Meat is being sold at less than the cost of production as supermarkets fight for market share. The result is bad production practices. I have argued with people who thought a piece of salmon was expensive until I pointed out fishermen have to go out, often in bad weather, to catch them.

Salmon is farmed in large sea water enclosures, mainly in Scotland and Norway. We would do much more here in Ireland but Government policy is backward and stymies any growth.

So yeah, cheap salmon is a reasonable ask (compared to other types of fish)

Errashareesh wrote: »

Or maybe their services are better BECAUSE people recognise they're part of a society.

It's not great to be responding to the issue of fly tipping with "well the services need improvement/shouldn't be privatised". The fly tipper is the one at fault, nobody else.

privatization is seen as the most efficient way of running critical societal services, sometimes its just not, as its inefficiencies out-ways the inefficiencies of alternative publicly run services, sometimes, and you will find, some of the most common default positions of such failures is 'personal responsibility', particularly from those that believe in these privatization approaches, when the reality is in fact far more complex

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You don't come off nearly as well as you think you do in that story.

He comes across fine. People pulling that **** are the ones not coming off well.

Bobblehats

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Just look how diluted the whole thing has become...
Virgin Sports
Eir Sports
BT Sport's
Premier Sports
Sky Sports

Ridiculous

Nobody's going out of their way not to pay for those, its just convenient. Internet is as much a subscription as I'm paying

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

He comes across fine. People pulling that **** are the ones not coming off well.

Getting into an argument over a window seat when you're a grown adult isn't a good look. I'm not saying be a walkover, but Jesus, it's just a flight. Why get worked up and cause a scene because you paid a few quid for a window seat. When I get worked up about this sort of thing, and it does happen with traffic where I live, it's usually because I'm already pissed off at something else.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

privatization is seen as the most efficient way of running critical societal services, sometimes its just not, as its inefficiencies out-ways the inefficiencies of alternative publicly run services, sometimes, and you will find, some of the most common default positions of such failures is 'personal responsibility', particularly from those that believe in these privatization approaches, when the reality is in fact far more complex

I recognise when there is complexity. But if you dump your mattress any old place you're a selfish individual and there's nothing more to it.

Errashareesh wrote: »

I recognise when there is complexity. But if you dump your mattress any old place you're a selfish individual and there's nothing more to it.

...and id also add, extremely ignorant, noting mattresses seem to be a pain in the hole when they make it to landfill to

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Getting into an argument over a window seat when you're a grown adult isn't a good look. I'm not saying be a walkover, but Jesus, it's just a flight. Why get worked up and cause a scene because you paid a few quid for a window seat. When I get worked up about this sort of thing, and it does happen with traffic where I live, it's usually because I'm already pissed off at something else.

You pay for your seat, you get your seat. There should be no argument anyway because it should be empty and the argument is caused by what's making it not empty.