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Budget 2020, Another tenner or is it twenty

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The good thing about the USC, if you can call it that, is that it hits some of those who do not pay income tax. A broadening of the tax base is something which will lessen the reliance on taxes on work.

    On another subject, Cigarette Smuggling and Illegal Selling of Cigarettes, feature in every Revenue Defaulters List.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    lola85 wrote: »
    FF again.

    FF introduced it saying it was a temporary measure and FG in their manifesto said it would be ditched. The levy’s it replaced were only introduced in 2009 because of the state of the countries finances.

    Yet here it still is and quite frankly, the state of the health service has shown that both governments have done **** all of benefit with it. Chucking it into the bottomless pit aka The Children’s Hospital being a prime example.

    I suppose you may see that they’ve bought trolleys if you walk along a hospital corridor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,386 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Sweet FA for mental health services, as per usual. No votes for FG there...

    If a no-deal Brexit is a bad as is feared, €1.2 billion will not be nearly enough to mitigate the fallout for us. The housing measures announced are way too blunt and not properly thought out in terms of augmenting current policy measures to tackle the housing affordability and supply crisis.

    Despite all the rhetoric there are no votes in health or homelessness. In the end it is all about wages, taxes and social welfare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Marhay70 wrote: »
    You don't have free rein to bring in as many cigarettes/tobacco as you like from other EU countries. The cheapest countries like Estonia and Lithuania are limited to 300 pp and even Spain and Portugal are, I think, 600pp. Just another anomaly like VRT.

    The guidelines from Revenue are 800 can be brought back from another EU member as this is considered a personal use amount. Anything in excess of that and you may have to prove they are for personal use. Emphasize on "may" have to prove. So, yes, as long as you can prove they are for personal use if required to do so - and similar guidelines are there for alcohol - there is no issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    the past 3 budgets ive been worse off( but we're booming boys!!!! ), give A take twice as much from B,C,D,E
    From this looks like im down just over 6 euro a week.

    Kick these arseholes out already, if i'm down( as a joe soap with a family ) when we're 'booming' wtf is going to happen when the proverbial hits the fan?
    Getting tired of being viewed as a walking ATM by the government, we're still in recession tax take times, if theres a bust following brexit the country really is in serious trouble

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    lola85 wrote: »
    Sure that grand is all for them to keep for themselves.

    No mortgage.

    No childcare.

    Yep. Over-70s generally do not have these expenses.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Got to laugh at the smokers organising the fag runs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,792 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Marhay70 wrote: »
    You don't have free rein to bring in as many cigarettes/tobacco as you like from other EU countries. The cheapest countries like Estonia and Lithuania are limited to 300 pp and even Spain and Portugal are, I think, 600pp. Just another anomaly like VRT.

    Not true at all. Once they're for personal consumption you can actually bring in almost whatever you want. Such is the joy of being a member of the EU. For someone that smokes 40 a day then 1000 cigarettes is less than 4 weeks supply. I brought 600 cigarettes and 10 x 50g pouches from Estonia in 2017. Close enough to the same from Luxembourg this year and Belgium last year. No problem. My sister in law was stopped about a month ago with 2000 cigarettes from Spain. Again, no problem. Different ball game obviously if you're flying out every week and bringing that amount back but on an occasional basis it's not a problem.
    It's 300 for Lithuania I'm afraid because the f*****s in Dublin took them off me there 2 years ago. My wife is from there maybe I should have stood my ground I only had 1000 not even for myself I don't smoke


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,717 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Sorry but it's not much to expect a break on being taxed to the hilt without at least some return on that. Plus investment in a sector that desparately needs it...

    We are not "taxed to the hilt".

    Taxes here, as a share of GNI*, are about middling.

    Not low, not high, about middling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,717 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    A grand a week after tax couple getting medical cards????

    Don’t care what age they are

    On that whack they can afford their own medical expenses

    YES.

    My parents earn 48k-49k approx.

    They pay 8% tax.

    They get:

    two full med cards
    two free travel passes
    35 pm off elec / 420 pa
    free TV licence


    Is any country as generous?


    Other countries may have more benefits, but they charge more income tax.


    For 8% tax on 4,000 pm income, it's a very sweet deal.

    Received by tens upon tens of thousands of pensioners.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    I would love if they gave 10 or 20 to people on welfare, just because it annoys the boards and journal nazi loons.

    Funny how none of the arseholes who moan about welfare ever do their colleagues a favour and quit their jobs to lead lives of luxury on the scratcher.

    To be honest, they could double it every week, not just at Christmas, and I'd still be earning almost twice what I'd be getting on the dole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,280 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Funny how none of the arseholes who moan about welfare ever do their colleagues a favour and quit their jobs to lead lives of luxury on the scratcher.

    To be honest, they could double it every week, not just at Christmas, and I'd still be earning almost twice what I'd be getting on the dole.

    You're missing the point...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭lola85


    Do people clearly not remember the bonanza giveaway budgets of the past?

    FF dishing stuff out for everyone?

    And look at the mess that got us in.

    Seems we haven’t learned anything at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,537 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    It's 300 for Lithuania I'm afraid because the f*****s in Dublin took them off me there 2 years ago. My wife is from there maybe I should have stood my ground I only had 1000 not even for myself I don't smoke
    The 300 limit for very cheap countries was a temporary order and wasn't renewed. It's back to 800


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Funny how none of the arseholes who moan about welfare ever do their colleagues a favour and quit their jobs to lead lives of luxury on the scratcher.

    To be honest, they could double it every week, not just at Christmas, and I'd still be earning almost twice what I'd be getting on the dole.

    such a vapid point

    earning salary is not comparable to claiming dole

    and per hour its some gig


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    lola85 wrote: »
    Yeah how dare they be ambitious in life and contribute the most to society through taxes and expect something back.

    They need to sit on their holes so someone else can pay for it.

    That will teach them!!

    Sure that grand is all for them to keep for themselves.

    No mortgage.

    No childcare.

    No insurance.

    No groceries.

    No utility bills.

    No property tax.

    They keep it all for themselves!!

    No problem with any of that.

    Just asking why a couple who are say in their 30s treated differently, or say a couple aged 68/69?
    And then the couple who are in their 70s with approx €1000 pw.



    Why the different rates?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,133 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    A real lack of outrage this year from the "my taxes" brigade. All about climate denial and immigrants out this year I guess.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭lola85


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    No problem with any of that.

    Just asking why a couple who are say in their 30s treated differently, or say a couple aged 68/69?
    And then the couple who are in their 70s with approx €1000 pw.



    Why the different rates?

    Sorry I get that point.

    But the original point made was it a couple earn 1000 a week they can afford all medical bills.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,967 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Got to laugh at the smokers organising the fag runs.

    Down Moore Street ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    lola85 wrote: »
    Sorry I get that point.

    But the original point made was it a couple earn 1000 a week they can afford all medical bills.


    No. My original point was that there are other couples who have less income, and possibly more outgoings and still have a lower minimum entry threshold than the couple with €1k.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I just want to see the tax system shaken up, it's just so stale. New fresh ideas are needed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    It's all going to go to **** again anyway atleast with FF we had a good time before it happened. FG have to be the least progressive government I can remember. They will say things are stable and better under them and they cleaned up the economic mess but that has happened globally naturally they don't deserve any credit.

    I'll vote SF again in the next general election in the hope someone else finally gets a go. They could be a disaster but I'd atleast like to see something different.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    blueshade wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/ireland-to-double-foreign-aid-to-more-than-two-billion-euro-by-2030-37866396.html

    In this article Coveneny and Varadker commit to increasing Ireland's Foreign Aid spending from the current 800 million a year to 2 billion a year. Varadker finishes the article by saying that ''we'' are making sacrifices considering what that 2 billion a year could be spent on in Ireland. India has a higher military/defence budget and space programme than us yet receives Foreign Aid. Shure don't worry, when Paddy and Mary are over 70 they'll get a Medical card, if they don't freeze or die of pneumonia in rural Ireland when they have to choose between turning the heat on or putting some food on the table and it's only right that Lucky and his wife from Nigeria are given one as soon as they claim asylum.

    Does anyone actually know what the current €800M in foreign aid is spent on? Not trying to stoke up the fires, genuinely curious.

    Thats a lot of tax payers money, €2B is a collosal amount of money.

    Edit: found some information on the Irish aid site.
    • In 2017, a total of €743M was allocated to Irish aid.
    • Of that total, €181M was spent on humanitarian assistance - just shy of 25%.
    • Some of the poorest countries in the world received aid from Ireland - they got a couple of million each.
    • €192M were pumped into EU institutions with the EU commision providing €143M of this.

    Before commenting that we're p1ssing away €800M quid a year on countries and people who don't deserve it, perhaps read the facts first.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭lola85


    rob316 wrote: »
    It's all going to go to **** again anyway atleast with FF we had a good time before it happened. FG have to be the least progressive government I can remember. They will say things are stable and better under them and they cleaned up the economic mess but that has happened globally naturally they don't deserve any credit.

    I'll vote SF again in the next general election in the hope someone else finally gets a go. They could be a disaster but I'd atleast like to see something different.
    Speak for yourself.

    Many didn’t have a good time and were sensible.

    People still in mortgage arrears to this day.

    But we all had a good time?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    lola85 wrote: »
    Do people clearly not remember the bonanza giveaway budgets of the past?

    FF dishing stuff out for everyone?

    And look at the mess that got us in.

    Seems we haven’t learned anything at all.

    totally agree, was just saying this morning the best thing about this government is the fact that they ar ebasically impotent, and they less they mess with stuff the better for us.

    the only things they have tried to solve like housing has failed because they cant bring themselves to start increasing council (or evenn social) housing

    as far as health goes it need s a top down root and branch reform which i cant see happening in my lifetime


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,717 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    No problem with any of that.

    Just asking why a couple who are say in their 30s treated differently, or say a couple aged 68/69?
    And then the couple who are in their 70s with approx €1000 pw.



    Why the different rates?

    Ok, here is what happened.

    Full med card was introduced for ALL over 70s, with GPs paid much more than an under 70.

    https://www.independent.ie/business/budget/news/over70s-will-lose-right-to-medical-cards-26484440.html

    Then, the Govt tried to reverse this, but due to possible backlash from pensioner voters, they made sure 95% kept their full med card by introducing a very generous means test.

    Initially 700 / 1400 pw

    Then cut to 600 / 1200 pw

    Then cut to 500 / 900 pw

    Now, in Budget 2020, the 500 / 900 is being increased.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    Still wondering why they have a double dole at Christmas when most businesses in retail and warehousing cant hire staff fast enough in December.

    Not alone that, you have to be long term on the dole. Out of work temporarily or short time don’t get it. The good citizens who are permanently unemployed do However quality.

    I understand the pensioners getting it. Some of them mightn’t need it strictly speaking, but they put in the hard shift when there wasn’t much support.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 428 ✭✭blueshade


    Keyzer wrote: »
    Does anyone actually know what the current €800M in foreign aid is spent on? Not trying to stoke up the fires, genuinely curious.

    Thats a lot of tax payers money, €2B is a collosal amount of money.

    Edit: found some information on the Irish aid site.
    • In 2017, a total of €743M was allocated to Irish aid.
    • Of that total, €181M was spent on humanitarian assistance - just shy of 25%.
    • Some of the poorest countries in the world received aid from Ireland - they got a couple of million each.
    • €192M were pumped into EU institutions with the EU commision providing €143M of this.

    Before commenting that we're p1ssing away €800M quid a year on countries and people who don't deserve it, perhaps read the facts first.

    Last year the EU Foreign Aid budget was 138 billion, 720 million of it was ''wasted'' one project was supposed to be for accessing food and nutrition, it accounted for 3% of the 720 million, turned out it was spent on a radio drama show instead. Some of it was spent on a giant pigsty for a Polish farm that wasn't entitled to anything. More of it was spent on fixing broken toilets in Haiti, some on installing computers in an empty office block in Jamaica and that's leaving off however much was siphoned off by corrupt officials and sent to their offshore accounts.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7552519/EU-squandered-millions-overseas-projects-year-including-paying-broken-toilets-Haiti.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,252 ✭✭✭joeysoap


    The Daily Mail.

    One of the staunchest anti EU papers. 1000000% Brexit.


    Make it ‘Great’ Britain again.

    A British Me Fein


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭lola85


    The all party climate council wanted 15 euro per tonne.

    It’s 6 euro per tonne.

    That’s crazy, so all parties wanted 15??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Geuze wrote: »
    We are not "taxed to the hilt".

    Taxes here, as a share of GNI*, are about middling.

    Not low, not high, about middling.

    That's no good to the average worker.

    Income tax is high. The threshold for the higher rate is very low.

    VAT is high. Excise duty is very high.

    Low corporation tax, executive tax relief etc. is no good to me.

    As you said, middle-class over-70s with occupational pensions have it made in relation to tax relief alone, never mind all the ancillary benefits. Meanwhile families on lower incomes than them get totally screwed.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    rob316 wrote: »
    I'll vote SF again in the next general election in the hope someone else finally gets a go. They could be a disaster but I'd atleast like to see something different.

    Yeah let's f**k s**t up for the sake of it, worked out great so far with Trump and Brexit. :rolleyes:

    Keyzer wrote: »
    Does anyone actually know what the current €800M in foreign aid is spent on? Not trying to stoke up the fires, genuinely curious.

    Thats a lot of tax payers money, €2B is a collosal amount of money.

    Edit: found some information on the Irish aid site.
    • In 2017, a total of €743M was allocated to Irish aid.
    • Of that total, €181M was spent on humanitarian assistance - just shy of 25%.
    • Some of the poorest countries in the world received aid from Ireland - they got a couple of million each.
    • €192M were pumped into EU institutions with the EU commision providing €143M of this.

    Before commenting that we're p1ssing away €800M quid a year on countries and people who don't deserve it, perhaps read the facts first.


    Next to no detail there on what it's actualy spent on.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    blueshade wrote: »
    Last year the EU Foreign Aid budget was 138 billion, 720 million of it was ''wasted'' one project was supposed to be for accessing food and nutrition, it accounted for 3% of the 720 million, turned out it was spent on a radio drama show instead. Some of it was spent on a giant pigsty for a Polish farm that wasn't entitled to anything. More of it was spent on fixing broken toilets in Haiti, some on installing computers in an empty office block in Jamaica and that's leaving off however much was siphoned off by corrupt officials and sent to their offshore accounts.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7552519/EU-squandered-millions-overseas-projects-year-including-paying-broken-toilets-Haiti.html

    Lol, quotes the daily mail.... lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Next to no detail there on what it's actualy spent on.

    Yes - there is. There is a detailed report on the irish aid website. Perhaps you should read it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    joeysoap wrote: »
    Not alone that, you have to be long term on the dole. Out of work temporarily or short time don’t get it. The good citizens who are permanently unemployed do However quality.

    I understand the pensioners getting it. Some of them mightn’t need it strictly speaking, but they put in the hard shift when there wasn’t much support.
    A lot of these pensioners have been on the dole all their life before getting the old age pension. Check the flights going to the Canaries some day, full of pensioners. They're doing all right. Give them an extra fiver and they'll only use it to bribe the grandchildren to come around


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭scamalert


    Edgware wrote: »
    A lot of these pensioners have been on the dole all their life before getting the old age pension. Check the flights going to the Canaries some day, full of pensioners. They're doing all right. Give them an extra fiver and they'll only use it to bribe the grandchildren to come around
    this qualifies for most idiotic post of the year :cool:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    If you think this budget was bad, just wait until the next one, recession and possibly brexit to deal with. When combined with the corrupt decision to build the children's hospital in the city centre and the crazy rural broadband scheme which together will cost something like 6 billion euro, the opportunity has been lost for possibly the next ten years for real infrastructure and services which will better all our lives.

    I agree both are needed but they could both easily be done for half that cost.

    As climate change is such the topic now there was a great opportunity missed to use that 3 billion along with a bit more to concentrate on public transport and renewable energy.

    They could purchase extra carriages as most or the dart and commuter services are already at max capacity. I get that there will be a lead time on these but that is why it should be done now. Extend the rail service out to Navan at least, its mad to think in 2019 that there is no rail service for the people of Monaghan, Cavan or Donegal.

    The midland peat bogs offer ample area for wind turbines and PV, there are hundreds of acres where these renewables could be installed today and not affect anyone. Even if there was a one or two turbines put on the outskirts of towns what would be the harm? I was flying from Croatia to Germany a couple of weeks ago on a cloudless day and was amazed to see all the wind turbines as i flew across the Austrian and German countryside. Nimbyism must only be an Irish thing.

    Some countries in Europe really put us to shame in how they do things. You know the way the Spanish send their kids to us in the summers to learn English, we should be sending our kids to Germany, The Netherlands and Sweden to see how things could be done right to benefit everyone. These countries are decades ahead of us in their thinking. We could and should be copying what these countries do so well.

    Germany now produce 41% of their energy through a combination of wind solar and bio-mass. They also are testing overhead charging on sections of the autobahn for hybrid or electric trucks to charge whilst they are driving.

    Holland are the world's second largest food exporter, just drive around Holland and see all the greenhouses, where we have our worst land that basically grows rushes could we not have grants to build greenhouses on it to intensively grow fruit and vegetables? Also Holland has the more bikes than people, they have separate cycle tracks along most roads. 20% of Dutch kids cycle to school.

    Sweden has one of the best health, education and social care systems in the world. Yes they pay high taxes but they get value for money. Our healthcare system is broken and the only solution the politicians have is to throw more money into the black hole.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Keyzer wrote: »
    Yes - there is. There is a detailed report on the irish aid website. Perhaps you should read it?

    Perhaps you should link to it?

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,717 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    lola85 wrote: »
    The all party climate council wanted 15 euro per tonne.

    It’s 6 euro per tonne.

    That’s crazy, so all parties wanted 15??

    The carbon tax is not new.

    It was introduced years ago at 20 euro per tonne.

    It has been increased from 20 to 26 per tonne.

    The plan is to increase to 80 per tonne.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,717 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    That's no good to the average worker.

    Income tax is high. The threshold for the higher rate is very low.

    VAT is high. Excise duty is very high.

    Low corporation tax, executive tax relief etc. is no good to me.

    As you said, middle-class over-70s with occupational pensions have it made in relation to tax relief alone, never mind all the ancillary benefits. Meanwhile families on lower incomes than them get totally screwed.

    Overall, our income taxes are not high.

    This has been shown again and again.

    YES, the killer is that the top rate kicks in so early, at 35k.

    VAT at 23% is a bit higher than typical across the EU, yes, although not the highest.

    Our lower rate of VAT at 13.5% is also among the higher lower rates, yes.

    Our excise on beer is similar to the UK.

    Our fuel taxes are not the highest.

    Our PRSI is very, very low.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭Stevieluvsye


    Geuze wrote: »
    Overall, our income taxes are not high.

    This has been shown again and again.

    YES, the killer is that the top rate kicks in so early, at 35k.

    VAT at 23% is a bit higher than typical across the EU, yes, although not the highest.

    Our lower rate of VAT at 13.5% is also among the higher lower rates, yes.

    Our excise on beer is similar to the UK.

    Our fuel taxes are not the highest.

    Our PRSI is very, very low.

    We get fcuk all back for that though. Just change the name to PAYE and be done with PRSI


  • Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭marcos_94


    Akabusi wrote: »
    If you think this budget was bad, just wait until the next one, recession and possibly brexit to deal with. When combined with the corrupt decision to build the children's hospital in the city centre and the crazy rural broadband scheme which together will cost something like 6 billion euro, the opportunity has been lost for possibly the next ten years for real infrastructure and services which will better all our lives.

    I agree both are needed but they could both easily be done for half that cost.

    As climate change is such the topic now there was a great opportunity missed to use that 3 billion along with a bit more to concentrate on public transport and renewable energy.

    They could purchase extra carriages as most or the dart and commuter services are already at max capacity. I get that there will be a lead time on these but that is why it should be done now. Extend the rail service out to Navan at least, its mad to think in 2019 that there is no rail service for the people of Monaghan, Cavan or Donegal.

    The midland peat bogs offer ample area for wind turbines and PV, there are hundreds of acres where these renewables could be installed today and not affect anyone. Even if there was a one or two turbines put on the outskirts of towns what would be the harm? I was flying from Croatia to Germany a couple of weeks ago on a cloudless day and was amazed to see all the wind turbines as i flew across the Austrian and German countryside. Nimbyism must only be an Irish thing.

    Some countries in Europe really put us to shame in how they do things. You know the way the Spanish send their kids to us in the summers to learn English, we should be sending our kids to Germany, The Netherlands and Sweden to see how things could be done right to benefit everyone. These countries are decades ahead of us in their thinking. We could and should be copying what these countries do so well.

    Germany now produce 41% of their energy through a combination of wind solar and bio-mass. They also are testing overhead charging on sections of the autobahn for hybrid or electric trucks to charge whilst they are driving.

    Holland are the world's second largest food exporter, just drive around Holland and see all the greenhouses, where we have our worst land that basically grows rushes could we not have grants to build greenhouses on it to intensively grow fruit and vegetables? Also Holland has the more bikes than people, they have separate cycle tracks along most roads. 20% of Dutch kids cycle to school.

    Sweden has one of the best health, education and social care systems in the world. Yes they pay high taxes but they get value for money. Our healthcare system is broken and the only solution the politicians have is to throw more money into the black hole.

    Funny how you mention other countries who put us to shame. Quite possibly the only thing we lead the world in in terms of renewable energy is the integration of wind. Ireland at any instantaneous moment can meet 70% of its power needs with wind (System Non-Synchronous Penetration SNSP). Grid Operators from around the world come here to see how we have integrated such a high level of "variable" wind on our grid.

    With regards to building onshore, Ireland has the capacity to power the whole of Europe and more with the wind resource we have off the South and West coast. We have the technology to build offshore wind further offshore so as to minimise environmental impact and keep locals happy that its not ruining their views. Offshore offers more secure and dependable power versus onshore (capacity factor).

    Your comments on Germany are quite funny as there is huge backlash against the Energiewende move for local electricity production through wind. they have been incredibly good in the adoption of rooftop solar but their approach to wind has set them back and also angered all parties in the industry (the public, certain political parties, developers, Turbine manufacturers). they are only now correcting their mistakes by building large scale offshore wind 100km off the German North Sea coast.

    Germany are indeed testing overhead lines for a 5 mile stretch on the autobahn but my god what a highly inefficient solution. Battery Electric Vehicles orr eve hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are better suited, and they are on the way. For example, Shenzhen has electrified their fleet of electric buses (16,000 in total) while China as a whole has approximately 420,000 electric buses on their roads. that is what we should be aiming for.

    Finally, id like to bring attention to your comment on where Germany is getting its energy from. Germany has plans to retire its entire nuclear fleet by the mid to end of the 2020s (a non GHG emitting source of power). This may not seem like a bad thing until you see that Germany is retiring its nuclear fleet before its coal fleet, which is pencilled in to be retired by early 2030s


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Geuze wrote: »
    Overall, our income taxes are not high.

    This has been shown again and again.

    Are you overlooking USC which is not linked in any way to benefits? It's just a tax.
    Our excise on beer is similar to the UK.

    Yet the cost of on-licence and off-licence beer is substantially higher.
    We have much higher excise on cider and wine. Excise on sparkling wine and sprits is scandalous.
    I can buy a bottle of Irish whiskey in the Canaries for one-third of the price I can buy it in Dublin. That's madness.
    Our PRSI is very, very low.

    True but we have no pay-related benefit. You get little or nothing more out of the system than someone who has never worked in their life. That's very different in most other European countries - you get a substantial % of your pay at first, which tapers down over time. So genuine working people who lose their job are supported, and have a large incentive to find another job quickly. Our system supports the "no job for life" mentality and even gives extra benefits (Xmas bonus) the longer you manage to avoid work.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Got to laugh at the smokers organising the fag runs.
    Fair play to them sure. I don't smoke myself but sure f*ck it - why give all that money to the government when they are just going to p*ss it waay on HSE middle management doing sweet f*ck all? And sure aren't they keeping O'Leary in profit :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Geuze wrote: »
    We are not "taxed to the hilt".

    Taxes here, as a share of GNI*, are about middling.

    Not low, not high, about middling.

    And what about the benefits we get for our taxes - are they middling too? One feckin dental visit a year...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    Geuze wrote: »
    Overall, our income taxes are not high.

    This has been shown again and again.

    YES, the killer is that the top rate kicks in so early, at 35k.

    VAT at 23% is a bit higher than typical across the EU, yes, although not the highest.

    Our lower rate of VAT at 13.5% is also among the higher lower rates, yes.

    Our excise on beer is similar to the UK.

    Our fuel taxes are not the highest.

    Our PRSI is very, very low.

    Our higher rate of income tax kicks in at €35k. In England by way of comparison, it’s approx €50k.

    Add to that we have USC and PRSI. End result being a marginal tax rate of close to 50%. It’s a ****ing scandalous rate to be paying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    scamalert wrote: »
    Edgware wrote: »
    A lot of these pensioners have been on the dole all their life before getting the old age pension. Check the flights going to the Canaries some day, full of pensioners. They're doing all right. Give them an extra fiver and they'll only use it to bribe the grandchildren to come around
    this qualifies for most idiotic post of the year :cool:

    Explain?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Geuze wrote: »
    A grand a week after tax couple getting medical cards????

    Don’t care what age they are

    On that whack they can afford their own medical expenses

    YES.

    My parents earn 48k-49k approx.

    They pay 8% tax.

    They get:

    two full med cards
    two free travel passes
    35 pm off elec / 420 pa
    free TV licence


    Is any country as generous?


    Other countries may have more benefits, but they charge more income tax.


    For 8% tax on 4,000 pm income, it's a very sweet deal.

    Received by tens upon tens of thousands of pensioners.

    You only have to read this thread or listen to any radio station, the Irish population supports the policy of spoiling pensioners, it's no surprise that politicians keep doing it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    scamalert wrote: »
    this qualifies for most idiotic post of the year :cool:

    The truth hurts. There are thousands in this country who have never worked in their life. Then they turn 65/66 get the O.A.P. and we are supposed to be sorry for them. No Sir, not me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Perhaps you should link to it?

    Perhaps you should open google and look for the report yourself - unbelievable laziness.


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