Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all! We have been experiencing an issue on site where threads have been missing the latest postings. The platform host Vanilla are working on this issue. A workaround that has been used by some is to navigate back from 1 to 10+ pages to re-sync the thread and this will then show the latest posts. Thanks, Mike.
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

where to get me a cargo bike

1…5681011…13

Comments

  • #352
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Have been thinking about a cargo bike for about a year. 2 wheeler, I tried out the 3 wheelers found them very rigid.

    Has anyone made/built one here? Been keeping an eye for 2nd hand but still quite pricey.


  • #353
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Is this any good to you?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057993800


  • #354
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Is this any good to you?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057993800

    Thanks.

    I was actually reading that earlier.


  • #355
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    I have a bakfiets, which is, apart from the saddle and pedals (and, obviously, given high usage, inner cables, tubes and tyres), as it left the shop.

    If you're not absolutely committed to a self-build, it might be a good option. It is probably the cheapest of the good ones, and you can knock a few hundred off the price if you do the bike-to-work scheme to buy it. I think the Dutch Bike Shop are the only people doing them now, since Greenaer went all-electric.


  • #356
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Interesting old cargo bike, on the road for 50 odd years.
    https://twitter.com/GalwayCycling/status/1349652445941682176

    Seems to have direct drive with modest-sized wheel. Wonder whether there's a mechanism in the hub to allow the wheel to rotate at a differen rate from the front wheel.

    Anyway, worth a post!


  • #357
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    I'm looking for some advice about getting a Bullitt Bike. Right now, I'm wondering if anyone who is self employed has bought one for their work?
    Am I correct to assume I can write it off at a rate of 12.5% of the cost, over 8 years?


  • #358
    kenmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,277 ✭✭✭kenmc


    Selling my longtail cargo if anyone is looking for one

    https://touch.adverts.ie/hybrid-bikes/kona-ute-18-long-tail-cargo-bike/23618574


  • #359
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Decided to go for the Bullitt bike in dark navy "Moondog".
    Really want the yellow, but don't want "Bollocks" on the top tube.


  • #360
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Two month waiting list, possibly more.:(


  • Advertisement
  • #361
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Not having much luck getting the Bullitt.
    Larry vs Harry lost my order when they changed systems, told me to just start over and order again.
    Now they want full payment up front, but can't deliver bike until 2022.
    Rethinking buying one of their bikes now.


  • #362
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    I wouldn't wait that long for a bike, unless none of the other bikes meets your needs.

    I really like the bakfiets (apart from the bottom of the first steering column, under the handlebars, which is a little prone to rusting, from stuff thrown off the front wheel), but it's not at all sporty, if that is absolutely what you want.


  • #363
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Yeah, I'm kind of looking for something sporty! I might have a look at the urban arrow and I think there's another one that a bike shop in dun laoghaire does.


  • #364
    Ferris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭Ferris


    There is a new Cube cargo bike also. Looks ‘sporty’ compared to the Urban Arrow.


  • #365
    omri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭omri


    Effects wrote: »
    Not having much luck getting the Bullitt.
    Larry vs Harry lost my order when they changed systems, told me to just start over and order again.
    Now they want full payment up front, but can't deliver bike until 2022.
    Rethinking buying one of their bikes now.

    Any wait is worth the wait when it comes to Bullitt. Mine is sitting in the storage at the moment till I manage to sort out the insurance/or not. Best bike you'll ever own, there is no going back from Bullitt...


  • #366
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    omri wrote: »
    Mine is sitting in the storage at the moment till I manage to sort out the insurance/or not.

    Can you add it to your house insurance? Or do you need separate insurance?


  • Advertisement
  • #367
    kenmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,277 ✭✭✭kenmc


    Effects wrote: »
    Can you add it to your house insurance? Or do you need separate insurance?

    I was able to add mine to the (contents only, renting at the time) house insurance. Fbd.


  • #368
    omri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭omri


    Effects wrote: »
    Can you add it to your house insurance? Or do you need separate insurance?

    I’m in the apartment as opposed to a house as previously so my insurer said no as I’d have to keep the cargo in underground carpark (gated with fob access). I spoke to bikmo and they can insure it - so might go ahead with them. It’s expensive but at least I get to use the bike till it gets stolen…


  • #369
    shortie_chik
    Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭shortie_chik


    omri wrote:
    I’m in the apartment as opposed to a house as previously so my insurer said no as I’d have to keep the cargo in underground carpark (gated with fob access). I spoke to bikmo and they can insure it - so might go ahead with them. It’s expensive but at least I get to use the bike till it gets stolen…


    I have my urban arrow in the underground car park. It's covered on my apartment contents insurance with Axa, as a named item covered up to €5,000.
    Now we're moving to a house where it will have to be parked in the front garden. We're getting a ground anchor installed, but Axa won't insure it unless it's secured in a shed / garage. Bikmo is about €500 a year, and we'd still need to install a ground anchor etc for the bike. So we won't be insuring it once we move it to the new garden. We'll get the ground anchor, motorbike chain, looking at a security camera / sensor light, or if there's anything we can add to our house alarm. But we won't be insuring it anymore.

    (Also I love my urban arrow so much, it was the best money we spent 2 years ago. I would highly recommend it but I gather the order time is quite long now, and even for parts UA are out of a lot of parts at the moment so not great for repairs. Guess this is down to covid, cargo ships getting stuck in the Suez canal etc. Maybe all bike companies are equally affected right now.)


  • #370
    omri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭omri


    shortie_chik wrote: »
    I have my urban arrow in the underground car park. It's covered on my apartment contents insurance with Axa, as a named item covered up to €5,000.
    Now we're moving to a house where it will have to be parked in the front garden. We're getting a ground anchor installed, but Axa won't insure it unless it's secured in a shed / garage. Bikmo is about €500 a year, and we'd still need to install a ground anchor etc for the bike. So we won't be insuring it once we move it to the new garden. We'll get the ground anchor, motorbike chain, looking at a security camera / sensor light, or if there's anything we can add to our house alarm. But we won't be insuring it anymore.

    (Also I love my urban arrow so much, it was the best money we spent 2 years ago. I would highly recommend it but I gather the order time is quite long now, and even for parts UA are out of a lot of parts at the moment so not great for repairs. Guess this is down to covid, cargo ships getting stuck in the Suez canal etc. Maybe all bike companies are equally affected right now.)

    I was with chill and I had bike insured with them kept it indoors but it was covered if I got it stolen while shopping etc. Was around €500 incl contents too. Bikmo will have no premium penalty if you take a claim.


  • #371
    shortie_chik
    Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭shortie_chik


    omri wrote:
    I was with chill and I had bike insured with them kept it indoors but it was covered if I got it stolen while shopping etc. Was around €500 incl contents too. Bikmo will have no premium penalty if you take a claim.


    Axa was the only insurer I could find who would cover a bike worth 5k. It would have been covered if stolen or damaged while it was out being used, but had to stay over night in a garage / shed.
    Would be good to have more competition and choice, but other insurers weren't interested above 2k.
    Axa apartment contents insurance was cheaper than bikmo for the year, and at least there was the possibility of discounts for annual renewals with Axa.


  • Advertisement
  • #372
    beazee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭beazee


    Effects wrote: »
    Now they want full payment up front, but can't deliver bike until 2022.

    It was full payment upfront and 3 months wait back in 2013 when I got mine.


  • #373
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    beazee wrote: »
    It was full payment upfront and 3 months wait back in 2013 when I got mine.

    I think they must have changed their ordering system more recently then.

    When I ordered, back in April they confirmed the order, and said payment wouldn't be taken until they had it in stock and ready to ship.
    Please note that payment will not be charged until we have the bike in store and that you can cancel the order at any time till then, without any issues.

    Suppliers here quoted delivery dates into next year from the supplier, while Larry Vs Harry themselves wouldn't give me any dates, avoided the question, but responded to other questions I asked.


  • #374
    mr spuckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,121 ✭✭✭mr spuckler


    Ferris wrote: »
    There is a new Cube cargo bike also. Looks ‘sporty’ compared to the Urban Arrow.

    I noticed this in Cycle Superstore yesterday when browsing their 'in stock' bikes...


  • #375
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    That cube one does look nice. I have to go non electric though.
    I think I might have spotted a guy on one of them yesterday in Clontarf.


  • #376
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    What kind of locks do you guys use on cargo bikes?
    I've always used Kryptonite myself. But are Abus better?
    I've seen a Bullitt locked in town, and it's got an Abus Granit chain with integrated lock, as well as an Abus U lock.
    Are they better/worse/same as krypto?


  • #377
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    thebestbikelock.com has good reviews of all the chain locks.

    You probably need a chain lock, as you frequently can't get all that close to what you're locking to, on account of the box.

    I have an Abus Granit CityChain X-Plus 1060/110, and it's got three stars from ART and a gold rating from Sold Secure. I think if I were buying now I'd get a Kryptonite New York Noose 1275, as it's only 500g heavier, but has four stars from ART (12mm links rather than 10mm). CityChain gets reviews that range from excellent to quite middling. I've had no problems at all with it.

    I use an old Kryptolok Series 2 to secure the front wheel, and a Tex-lock plug-in chain to the Axa frame lock that came with the bike, for a bit of extra security: Tex-lock seems to be harder to defeat with bolt cutters than the Abus CityChain, though it's easier to defeat overall.

    That's quite a lot of security, I guess, but I'm very dependent on the cargo bike.


  • #378
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Abus are perfectly good locks. They seem to rely on a certain amount of clever design rather than beefing up the lock with extra steel, so they're frequently lighter. I have more Kryptonite locks than anything else (quite a few bikes in the house, so quite a few locks).


  • #379
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    I have a HvL Bullitt that I am considering selling... if anyone is looking over the next few months, let me know.

    Lizard Green, frame in very good condition (some scuffs in the usual areas),
    -honeycomb baseboard
    -folding seat
    -canopy (not attached at the moment) and DIY side panels
    -groupset is quite a mix... Deore rear wheel and Shimano Acrea gearing with a hub brake front wheel


  • #380
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    I think I'm going to go for an Abus U lock as well as a chain from them.
    I've also got a few old car clamps lying around, so might reuse the chain off one of those, and just get a good padlock to go with it.


  • #381
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    mloc123 wrote: »
    I have a HvL Bullitt that I am considering selling...
    -folding seat

    I'd be interested in the folding seat anyway.


  • Advertisement
  • #382
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Effects wrote: »
    I think I'm going to go for an Abus U lock as well as a chain from them.
    I've also got a few old car clamps lying around, so might reuse the chain off one of those, and just get a good padlock to go with it.




    Abus do a noose with 12mm links.
    https://lockitt.com/abus-granit-power-4ft-noose-chain.html

    Might accommodate a u-lock you might already have.


  • #383
    site_owner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭site_owner


    Effects wrote: »
    I'd be interested in the folding seat anyway.

    There's one on adverts I think


  • #384
    site_owner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭site_owner


    I use Kryptonite chains and abus d-locks for locking


  • #385
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    I only have one U lock, and have been meaning to get another one anyway.
    I'll test out the chain I have by cutting with an angle grinder today. It seems decent enough. And sure most thieves use grinders these days anyway.


  • #386
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    site_owner wrote: »
    There's one on adverts I think

    Thanks for that. I had previously spotted that canopy on Done Deal. Seemed a bit steep considering it's used and damaged. No pictures of the seat though.


  • #387
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Abus do a noose with 12mm links.
    https://lockitt.com/abus-granit-power-4ft-noose-chain.html

    I just remembered that I have one of those somewhere. I found it years ago somewhere on the street and brought it home!


  • #388
    gn3dr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 898 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    I hadn't looked at this thread before today but just checked out a few pages. Didn't really know anything about cargo bikes. Seems like they have supply issue like all the bike world.
    Looking at the prices they are not cheap. Started me thinking. Has anyone in Ireland thought about building them here?


  • #389
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    I've thought about building them here, but I've never built a bike :D

    They are expensive, but it'll save me money in the long run.


  • #390
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Currently checking with Pembroke/Aviva to see if it's possible to get coverage under my home insurance.
    If not, I'll try my work policy.


  • Advertisement
  • #391
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Effects wrote: »
    I'll test out the chain I have by cutting with an angle grinder today. It seems decent enough. And sure most thieves use grinders these days anyway.

    Angle grinders are more commonly used than they used to be, especially by professional thieves, but most thieves are opportunists, and it's still lower risk for them to use bolt cutters and snips, and there are plenty of bikes for them to choose from that are vulnerable to those low-noise, low-conspicuity tools.

    Think this is largely accurate:
    https://thebestbikelock.com/best-bike-lock/who-is-trying-to-steal-your-bike/

    The problem area is more for e-bikes and attractive bikes, where the risk-reward ratio merits the use of angle grinders.

    I don't know how attractive cargo bikes are, because, although they are expensive, they're probably a pain to store and slow to sell on. I'm not taking any chances myself, because, as I said, I'm very dependent on the cargo bike.


  • #392
    Duckjob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Angle grinders are more commonly used than they used to be, especially by professional thieves, but most thieves are opportunists, and it's still lower risk for them to use bolt cutters and snips, and there are plenty of bikes for them to choose from that are vulnerable to those low-noise, low-conspicuity tools.

    Think this is largely accurate:
    https://thebestbikelock.com/best-bike-lock/who-is-trying-to-steal-your-bike/

    The problem area is more for e-bikes and attractive bikes, where the risk-reward ratio merits the use of angle grinders.

    I don't know how attractive cargo bikes are, because, although they are expensive, they're probably a pain to store and slow to sell on. I'm not taking any chances myself, because, as I said, I'm very dependent on the cargo bike.

    eBikes can be made significantly less attractive to any clued in bike thief though by the removal of the battery and display controller. You're probably talking the guts of a grand to replace both of them. Without them all you've got is a heavy lump of a bike.


  • #393
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    A
    I don't know how attractive cargo bikes are, because, although they are expensive, they're probably a pain to store and slow to sell on. I'm not taking any chances myself, because, as I said, I'm very dependent on the cargo bike.

    Makes sense about them being harder to store and slow to sell.
    Also less of them, so easier to find yours for sale if it comes to that.

    Tested out the chain from a clamp earlier and it took 10 seconds to get through it. Another ten seconds for a second cut to make enough room to remove the link.

    Tried to get a decent padlock today, but didn't have much luck.
    Two locksmiths I went to tried to pretend that padlocks can't be picked.


  • #394
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    The Abus 20/70 Diskus Plus is a great padlock. Handy Hardware do them. I don't know what that outlet is like generally, but I was able to order one from them and pick it up at their store near Dundrum.


  • #395
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Another good thing about that Abus 20/70 lock, apart from having a proper, hard-to-pick disc detainer mechanism, is that the cover of the core isn't made out of zinc alloy. Zinc alloy has quite a low melting point, which is a vulnerability for a lot of padlocks, though I'm not sure that vulnerability is exploited that often in reality.

    It's a few years ago, but the LockPickingLawyer mentions in this that he can't pick the Abus 20/70. I suspect he can now, as he now has a custom-made tool for picking disc detainer cores.



  • #396
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    So after watching a video on youtube, I had a go at picking the hardened steel lock I have, that used to be on a DCC car clamp.
    First time trying to pick a lock, and it took me about 10 seconds. Really makes me worry about the quality of locks in general.

    As for insurance, I'm with Aviva, who only cover bikes up to €1600. So my broker has given me some options to take a look at.


  • Advertisement
  • #397
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Effects wrote: »
    So after watching a video on youtube, I had a go at picking the hardened steel lock I have, that used to be on a DCC car clamp.
    First time trying to pick a lock, and it took me about 10 seconds. Really makes me worry about the quality of locks in general.

    As for insurance, I'm with Aviva, who only cover bikes up to €1600. So my broker has given me some options to take a look at.

    Bike locks with a minimum of two stars from ART or a silver rating from Sold Secure should be harder to pick than that. Cheaper off-the-shelf padlocks are mostly, by reputation, quite easy to defeat, including by picking.

    I think insurers usually insist on a minimum of a silver-rated lock. So I've read, but I've never bought bike insurance.

    Picking is quite a rare method of stealing bikes. Just breaking the lock in some way is way more common.


  • #398
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    If you want to get an idea of how hard a lock is to pick, you can search the LockPickingLawyer's videos on YouTube. He might have already done whatever lock you have in mind.

    He doesn't take more than about 20 seconds on most locks (apart from the Altor SAF) but he's very talented, and has specialised, custom-made picking tools.


  • #399
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    I've ordered an abus granit chain, so that'll offer decent protection alongside a second lock.
    I'm a big fan of the lock picking laywer, and have been watching him for years.
    When I stripped the clamp lock apart, I could see all the different defence mechanisms that I've learned about from him.
    But none of it matters when the cylinder is so flawed. I'm going to get a replacement cylinder online, as I'm not sure the locksmiths here in Dublin are of much use.


  • #400
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Looks as if Raleigh are launching an e-cargo bike.

    https://twitter.com/bikesandbabies/status/1418256980167340034



  • #401
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,805 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Looks as if the auto industry might be trying out the research equivalent of push-polling, hoping, presumably, people will start talking about how dangerous they are, and putting images of carnage in the minds of prospective buyers.

    https://twitter.com/OConnorOisin/status/1430284282803728385




  • Advertisement
Advertisement