Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

blinding · 05-07-2019 4:52pm

KildareP wrote: »

The EU can't "push out" the UK.
The UK can request an extension and the EU can grant it.
But it can't push the UK out (nor can it keep the UK in, if the UK do nothing between now and October 31st then it automatically crashes out).
Make no mistake, the extensions are as much to benefit the EU as any perceived UK benefit. Remember - no deal prep did not stop in the EU despite the UK doing so.

Once the balance tips where it is no longer beneficial for the EU to grant extensions, it won't. The perception seems to be that time is near and should the UK seek another extension come October, it will be declined.

Good .

B0jangles · 05-07-2019 4:54pm

blinding wrote: »

The Brits are not nearly as daft as you think . They were not stupid enough to Join the Euro and are delighted that they did not join the Euro . Even your Rabid Eu-ers in Britain never now mention that they were all in favour of joining the Euro . You’d think they were never in favour of it now . Funnily enough these Gobdaws that were in favour of joining the Euro are the same Gobdaw Re-Mainiacs now .

The Brits are buying time for Brexit . How come Leo and Company don’t push them out ? Didn’t Macron do some mouthing but ran away and hid from the yellow vests instead .:D

I do not see how any of this has to do with the questions I asked.

blinding · 05-07-2019 4:56pm

rob316 wrote: »

Why not? The British public who voted to leave can see they were sold a pup, I for one would like the opportunity to rectify that.

Been subjected to nazi party levels of propaganda isn't democratic. Free speech sure but flat out lies is exactly that, propaganda.

Calling the re-Mainiacs Nazis is pushing it but I can see where you are coming from ! The real Nazis did come from Central Europe mind . Not always easy to work out who is going to become the Nazis until they become the Nazis . In earlier chat today we found out that the Real Nazis had roots in the German Workers party = go figure . They also were trying to attract Socialists with their National Socialist moniker !:eek:

B0jangles · 05-07-2019 4:58pm

Ok, so you're just shouting whatever comes into your head, no actual relevance necessary.

rob316 · 05-07-2019 4:59pm

blinding wrote: »

Calling the re-Mainiacs Nazis is pushing it but I can see where you are coming from ! The real Nazis did come from Central Europe mind . Not always easy to work out who is going to become the Nazis until they become the Nazis . In earlier chat today we found out that the Real Nazis had roots in the German Workers party = go figure . They also were trying to attract Socialists with their National Socialist moniker !:eek:

What has this got to do with anything

blinding · 05-07-2019 4:59pm

rob316 wrote: »

Why not? The British public who voted to leave can see they were sold a pup, I for one would like the opportunity to rectify that.

Been subjected to nazi party levels of propaganda isn't democratic. Free speech sure but flat out lies is exactly that, propaganda.

There is no way that MPs that promised to respect One Referendum should be allowed to call another now without the Electorate giving their judgment on those MPs .

It ain’t happening . The Tories will deliver brexit or their will be a General Election .

The British are not Eu Lapdogs .

kunst nugget · 05-07-2019 5:00pm

B0jangles wrote: »

Ok, so you're just shouting whatever comes into your head, no actual relevance necessary.

rob316 wrote: »

What has this got to do with anything

Exactly. We're the bigger idiots for engaging with him.

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2019 5:04pm

blinding wrote: »

The British are not Eu Lapdogs .

Like us, the British are the EU at the moment. Whenever they are brave enough to actually leave then they won't be.

Seathrun66 · 05-07-2019 5:05pm

blinding wrote: »

There is no way that MPs that promised to respect One Referendum should be allowed to call another now without the Electorate giving their judgment on those MPs .

It ain’t happening . The Tories will deliver brexit or their will be a General Election .

The British are not Eu Lapdogs .

Not yet. Give it two years when they re-enter the EU under imposed conditions.

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2019 5:05pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

Exactly. We're the bigger idiots for engaging with him.

It is fun to reveal these people. The louder they have to shout the more they reveal their lack of knowledge. Funny stuff.

KildareP · 05-07-2019 5:06pm

blinding wrote: »

Nonsense . Didn’t they close some port in Wexford recently . If you think you can magic up this capacity ‘just like that ‘ then you are fooling yourself .

What about drop offs in Britain and the drop off / collections on the way back from Europe . I am not saying the Brits will do it but they could by Geography Buckle the 26 Counties .

How long will it take these ferries from Ireland to Europe . Don’t even mention the Weather :eek::eek::eek:

Irish Ferries stopped sailing out of Wexford to focus operations on Dublin.
Now where does most of our freight pass through..... (bar Cork

)

Irish Ferries also have a new ferry on order, having just taken delivery of a new one, as well as replacing their fast craft with one not much newer than the one it replaced but with a slower cruising speed and a much longer range. Why would they do that? Cruising time is about 18 hours Dublin to Cherbourg overnight and you can include the ferry crossing as the rest period, unlike landbridge, where you'll spend the working day driving across the UK and still have to rest up overnight anyway, before you arrive in the same place the ferry would have gotten you on an overnight alone (and fully rested up).

The MV Celine and MV Laureline, amongst the largest drive-on freighters in the world, have both done operational tests in Dublin Port in the last year.

rob316 · 05-07-2019 5:07pm

What I'm getting here is, the big bad EU won't let the UK leave, right?

That's why they have asked for numerous extensions.

Maybe they are holding the other countries hostage too who want to leave?

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2019 5:09pm

KildareP wrote: »

Irish Ferries stopped sailing out of Wexford to focus operations on Dublin.
Now where does most of our freight pass through..... (bar Cork )

Irish Ferries also have a new ferry on order, having just taken delivery of a new one, as well as replacing their fast craft with one not much newer than the one it replaced but with a slower cruising speed and a much longer range. Why would they do that? Cruising time is about 18 hours Dublin to Cherbourg overnight and you can include the ferry crossing as the rest period, unlike landbridge, where you'll spend the working day driving across the UK and still have to rest up overnight anyway, before you arrive in the same place the ferry would have gotten you on an overnight alone (and fully rested up).

The MV Celine and MV Laureline, amongst the largest drive-on freighters in the world, have both done operational tests in Dublin Port in the last year.

Now don't be bringing any of them auld facts into blindings world. Britannia still rules the waves...sure couldn't they blockade them ferries with their new aircraft carriers or nuke them with their submarines?

steddyeddy · 05-07-2019 5:11pm

blinding wrote: »

Thats a perfectly good Link and another poster has also posted other Links .

Take those Eu Blinkers off . Britain is going to Brexit .

Why isn’t Leo or anyone else pushing them out the door . What is wrong with the Eu . Does it really need that British £ 39 billion that much ?:eek::eek::eek:

This get said repeatedly. No one is disagreeing with you! Britain is leaving the EU. What people are saying in relation to the point you raised isn't that Britain's not leaving, it's that what you're saying will likely not happen. What a lot of Brexiters said will not happen, what a lot of remainers warned about Brexit will happen.

Britain will be substantially poorer post Brexit, it won't likely be Britain anymore, just England and Wales and it's already in a much weaker position.

The UK is still in the EU because they have begged to stay in, seeking extension after extension while all the while fighting amongst themselves like children.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 05-07-2019 5:27pm

blinding wrote: »

Well , The Irish Love an Empire .

So many down on their knees to the British Empire and the Catholic Church Empire . There is something about Irish People that Love to Worship an Empire .

Historically we fought against the British empire. Every generation pretty much. We were one of the first to leave.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 05-07-2019 5:29pm

storker wrote: »

Having followed thus discussion for a while, I've come to the conclusion that it's for the same reason he keeps trotting out the word "lapdog"; his posts are much less about making a serious argument (as if!) in favour of the case for Brexit, or that the EU is fundamentally undemocratic, than they are about winding up his interlocutors. It's the debating equivalent of a twelve-year-old opening his mouth and showing off his chewed food. It's all about the reaction.

Lest I incur the mods' wrath for shouting "Troll!" (which I don't tend to do), I would stress that I'm not claiming this as a fact, just my own conclusion; a conclusion that has been honestly arrived at and which seems to me to be unavoidable.

We could report the posts I suppose. The use of 26 counties is to my mind a troll.

knipex · 05-07-2019 5:39pm

blinding wrote: »

Amazing how no one in the Eu is Pushing them Out . The Eu must really need that £39 billion;):p;)

Lets try this again

The EU cannot force the UK to leave, only the UK can do that. They can refuse an extension if one is asked for, which I suspect they will do unless its specifically requested to allow for an election or a rerun of the referendum so that the UK parliament (note I said the UK not the EU) can actually come to some agreement as to what they want to do.

The EU cannot force the UK to stay. They cannot even force an extension. Only the UK can revoke article 50 and only they can request an extension..

storker · 05-07-2019 5:44pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

We could report the posts I suppose. The use of 26 counties is to my mind a troll.

I've never reported a post, on any site, and if I ever do it'll be because of something serious, not because of some jester capering about uttering his inanities that give every appearance of coming straight from the Daily Mail's comments sections.

(But I agree otherwise.)

knipex · 05-07-2019 5:48pm

blinding wrote: »

I actually follow politics and heard Jeremy say that he had delivered the £350 million for the NHS . Maybe you should try actually try following politics if you are going to comment on it .

Jeremy and Boris both say a lot of things, doesn't mean it actually happened.

Oct 2017 budget for Department of Health including NHS for 2017 / 2018

£124.7 Billion

Oct 2018 Budget for Department of Health including NHS for 2018 / 2019

£123.3 Billion

So. Your wrong, the NHS budget hasn't gone up by 350 million a week.

boege · 05-07-2019 5:56pm

If you really want to understand the dynamics and politics of the UK-EU relationship, see the graph below from a UK source.

Most countries in EU need or want access to the UK market. Ireland is a net importer. Now try predict who the EU will favour when the need arises.

knipex · 05-07-2019 5:59pm

blinding wrote: »

How long will Leo survive as Taoiseach if the Brits decide to play hardball with the 26 Counties . .

I assume you mean the Republic of Ireland ?

You claim to be Irish yet you deny the existence of the Republic which would normally lead me to believe you were one of the republican extremists. But you idolize Nigel and Ann, deplore the EU which would lead me to believe you are a BNP \ Brexit \ UKIP er.

So I can only conclude your a troll..

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2019 5:59pm

boege wrote: »

If you really want to understand the dynamics and politics of the UK-EU relationship, see the graph below from a UK source.

Most countries in EU need or want access to the UK market. Ireland is a net importer. Now try predict who the EU will favour when the need arises.

Can you predict when this is gonna happen? Just so that we can be ready like.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 05-07-2019 6:05pm

boege wrote: »

If you really want to understand the dynamics and politics of the UK-EU relationship, see the graph below from a UK source.

Most countries in EU need or want access to the UK market. Ireland is a net importer. Now try predict who the EU will favour when the need arises.

<SNIP>

Trade deals are reciprocal so not getting that argument at all. Are you saying they will negotiate with Britain to allow EU imports into the U.K. but not U.K. imports into the EU. Or what?

jimmycrackcorm · 05-07-2019 6:14pm

blinding wrote: »

If the Brits really wanted to they could have Leo sliding up that Bannister at number 10 Downing Street .

The Eu did not make much of an effort on Catalonia . They actually fooked the Scots on Scotland membership of the Eu in the Scottish Independence Referendum . Lets see how it plays out but little beasts tend to get trampled on when big beasts have a rumble .

One thing for sure is Leo Varakar is not up to much .

Catalonia and Scotland are poor comparisons, they are both just autonomous regions within an EU member country.

If it comes to putting pressure on Ireland, it's pretty clear that the state of affairs in the UK will be disastrous at that point. They'll be more concerned about their own affairs and the backstop is actually a UK issue because of the mess they've made with NI

boege · 05-07-2019 6:19pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Trade deals are reciprocal so not getting that argument at all. Are you saying they will negotiate with Britain to allow EU imports into the U.K. but not U.K. imports into the EU. Or what?

Of course not.

I believe the EU will reopen negotiations to get a bilateral trade deal. Backstops and any other Irish protections will be back on the table. It is a economic inevitability due to the surplus of trade enjoyed by so many individual EU countries with the UK. It is these individual economic interests that will prevail.

First Up · 05-07-2019 6:32pm

boege wrote:

I believe the EU will reopen negotiations to get a bilateral trade deal. Backstops and any other Irish protections will be back on the table. It is a economic inevitability due to the surplus of trade enjoyed by so many individual EU countries with the UK. It is these individual economic interests that will prevail.

For the UK's sake I hope the trade negotiators they are digging out of retirement or hiring from New Zealand and elsewhere have a better grasp of the subtelties of international trade than you demonstrate here.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 05-07-2019 6:39pm

boege wrote: »

Of course not.

I believe the EU will reopen negotiations to get a bilateral trade deal. Backstops and any other Irish protections will be back on the table. It is a economic inevitability due to the surplus of trade enjoyed by so many individual EU countries with the UK. It is these individual economic interests that will prevail.

These inevitable deals have been promised for the last 3 years and here we are.

Dog Man Star · 05-07-2019 6:46pm

Brexit has been a monumental mistake for the British. The ones hurt the most will be the ones who voted against it, namely the Scottish and Northern Irish.

I cannot imagine the worry of being a Northern Irish farmer with quality beef ready to sell have the rug pulled from under them, and with a family to support. It is a tragic misstep, voted by people who didn't consider anything nor anybody before voting, just being swept away on a wave of islamophobia. Vote to leave the EU and no more crazy muslims blowing themselves up. Ridiculous scare-mongering. My wife's father is from Newcastle and voted for Brexit because he didn't like the Burkha. My wife's sister voted for Brexit because she didn't like the Euro. A total nonsense.

Most ironic is that one of the London Bridge murderers got into the UK via Ireland. He married an Irish woman. Yet, there is little focus on blocking illegal entry that way.

A monumental misstep that will set the UK back for decades.

Oops69 · 05-07-2019 7:11pm

Anne Widecombe at the parliament yesterday ..... even Nigel Farage looked 'scarlet for her '

Oops69 · 05-07-2019 7:13pm

Dog Man Star wrote: »

Brexit has been a monumental mistake for the British. The ones hurt the most will be the ones who voted against it, namely the Scottish and Northern Irish.

I cannot imagine the worry of being a Northern Irish farmer with quality beef ready to sell have the rug pulled from under them, and with a family to support. It is a tragic misstep, voted by people who didn't consider anything nor anybody before voting, just being swept away on a wave of islamophobia. Vote to leave the EU and no more crazy muslims blowing themselves up. Ridiculous scare-mongering. My wife's father is from Newcastle and voted for Brexit because he didn't like the Burkha. My wife's sister voted for Brexit because she didn't like the Euro. A total nonsense.

Most ironic is that one of the London Bridge murderers got into the UK via Ireland. He married an Irish woman. Yet, there is little focus on blocking illegal entry that way.

A monumental misstep that will set the UK back for decades.

I'd say you really look forward to deep political discussions with your wife's family .lol .

Strazdas · 05-07-2019 7:27pm

Dog Man Star wrote: »

Brexit has been a monumental mistake for the British. The ones hurt the most will be the ones who voted against it, namely the Scottish and Northern Irish.

I cannot imagine the worry of being a Northern Irish farmer with quality beef ready to sell have the rug pulled from under them, and with a family to support. It is a tragic misstep, voted by people who didn't consider anything nor anybody before voting, just being swept away on a wave of islamophobia. Vote to leave the EU and no more crazy muslims blowing themselves up. Ridiculous scare-mongering. My wife's father is from Newcastle and voted for Brexit because he didn't like the Burkha. My wife's sister voted for Brexit because she didn't like the Euro. A total nonsense.

Most ironic is that one of the London Bridge murderers got into the UK via Ireland. He married an Irish woman. Yet, there is little focus on blocking illegal entry that way.

A monumental misstep that will set the UK back for decades.

It was never meant to happen. Cameron held the referendum as a cheap and cynical political stunt. There was no plan to implement it. Farage and Johnson assumed it would be lost and were planning accordingly.

KindOfIrish · 05-07-2019 7:34pm

Dog Man Star wrote: »

Most ironic is that one of the London Bridge murderers got into the UK via Ireland. He married an Irish woman. Yet, there is little focus on blocking illegal entry that way.
.

Most ironic is that 95% of illegal immigrants in Ireland got into here via UK. Yet, there is little support for hard border in Ireland

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2019 7:42pm

The most ironic thing for me is that the most imperialist, jingoistic leader they have had in modern times Thatcher was the chief architect of the Single Market they now want to leave because of nostalgia for jingoistic imperialist days.

blinding · 05-07-2019 7:47pm

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Historically we fought against the British empire. Every generation pretty much. We were one of the first to leave.

Part of Us .

PeadarCo · 05-07-2019 7:53pm

boege wrote:

I believe the EU will reopen negotiations to get a bilateral trade deal. Backstops and any other Irish protections will be back on the table. It is a economic inevitability due to the surplus of trade enjoyed by so many individual EU countries with the UK. It is these individual economic interests that will prevail.

You seem to be forgetting that over half of UK trade is done either directly with the EU or through EU trade agreements. Once it leaves the EU the UK leaves EU trade deals. So even if a country has a trade surplus with the UK its a small part of their overall trade even for a country like Ireland.

So in the event of a no deal Brexit the UK suddenly has to deal with tarrifs as its now outside the EU and all the paperwork of exporting and other regulatory barriers/hurdles. On top of suddenly having to negotiate new trade deals with non EU countries. And all of this in the shadow of the EU, where one of the big questions on the other side of the table is what is your deal with the EU.

tryfix · 05-07-2019 7:58pm

boege wrote: »

Of course not.

I believe the EU will reopen negotiations to get a bilateral trade deal. Backstops and any other Irish protections will be back on the table. It is a economic inevitability due to the surplus of trade enjoyed by so many individual EU countries with the UK. It is these individual economic interests that will prevail.

You may think that you're thinking rationally but forgetting that there's very little rational about this situation. The UK voted for BREXIT for political reasons. The BREXIT promoters successfully pushed the emotional buttons of enough UK voters to get them to vote out regardless of the consequences.

For the EU, if they cave in and give the UK a deal that breaks the four freedoms then there will be a queue of other EU countries lining up to get out of the EU. For existential reasons the EU won't cave in to UK demands.

Strazdas · 05-07-2019 8:07pm

tryfix wrote: »

You may think that you're thinking rationally but forgetting that there's very little rational about this situation. The UK voted for BREXIT for political reasons. The BREXIT promoters successfully pushed the emotional buttons of enough UK voters to get them to vote out regardless of the consequences.

For the EU, if they cave in and give the UK a deal that breaks the four freedoms then there will be a queue of other EU countries lining up to get out of the EU. For existential reasons the EU won't cave in to UK demands.

Indeed, the economic arguments for leaving were tacked on by the Leave campaign late in the day. The original reasons for leaving were purely 'sovereignty' ones.

The gullible Leave voters were lapping up the lies and propaganda about new trade deals though and thought this nonsense was real.

Faugheen · 05-07-2019 11:19pm

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Boris would not be my first choice but he has better negotiation skills than May. I dont like the EU because they do not respect democracy. The MEP's are there only for show, it is the unelected scumbags that are the real problem.

Better negotiator?

Boris couldn’t handle Coveney when the pair of them were up in front of the media of both countries when he was Foreign Secretary, trying to charm out the usual guff and pleasantries and Coveney made an absolute show of him.

Merkel, Macron, Barnier, even Arlene Foster would have him for breakfast.

Absolute nonsense that he’s a better negotiator when the only meaningful positions he’s ever had (Mayor of London and Foreign Secretary), he either did really **** or he ran away.

He’s a complete chancer. He agreed to May’s deal once there was a sniff of him being made PM involved.

FrancieBrady · 05-07-2019 11:23pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Better negotiator?

Boris couldn’t handle Coveney when the pair of them were up in front of the media of both countries when he was Foreign Secretary, trying to charm out the usual guff and pleasantries and Coveney made an absolute show of him.

Merkel, Macron, Barnier, even Arlene Foster would have him for breakfast.

Absolute nonsense that he’s a better negotiator when the only meaningful positions he’s ever had (Mayor of London and Foreign Secretary), he either did really **** or he ran away.

He’s a complete chancer. He agreed to May’s deal once there was a sniff of him being made PM involved.

Nobody, May, Corbyn, Hunt, Johnson etc is able to negotiate because the UK is paralysed internally.
And nobody within the UK seems to be able to negotiate a way out of that paralysis.

Edit: May was well able to negotiate and negotiated a deal, which both sides were happy with, but the UK squandered and destroyed it by being paralytic. That situation pertains.

ILoveYourVibes · 06-07-2019 2:28am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nobody, May, Corbyn, Hunt, Johnson etc is able to negotiate because the UK is paralysed internally.
And nobody within the UK seems to be able to negotiate a way out of that paralysis.

.

BINGO.

They would be easy to divide and rule.

Auguste Comte · 06-07-2019 8:21am

This thread is comedy gold.

06-07-2019 9:01am

boege wrote: »

If you really want to understand the dynamics and politics of the UK-EU relationship, see the graph below from a UK source.

Most countries in EU need or want access to the UK market. Ireland is a net importer. Now try predict who the EU will favour when the need arises.

Do you genuinely believe Britain is going to abnegate use of vehicles and vehicle parts, an enormous range of pharmaceuticals, wines, foods and so much more of what people there not only want but depend on and decide to go back to horse and carriage days, hocus pocus medical solutions and all the rest when Brexit happens?

Britain imports so much because it doesn't produce enough for its own needs. Britain was a financial services centre of the EU. It did really, really well from it, and this was really, really fortunate as it had long ceased being an industrial centre and needed a replacement. The EU's free market was absolutely essential to this, but Brexiteers misread history backwards to blame the EU for causing the industrial decline which was evident to most British people by 1926.

Moreover, after Brexit the English will still need and want these things so assuming they hold the cards here is a fundamental misreading of things. It's just that, with the way they're going, it will probably cost them more to import these essentials. Brexit is a self-inflicted travesty from start to finish.

First Up · 06-07-2019 9:26am

Deleted User wrote:

Moreover, after Brexit the English will still need and want these things so assuming they hold the cards here is a fundamental misreading of things. It's just that, with the way they're going, it will probably cost them more to import these essentials. Brexit is a self-inflicted travesty from start to finish.

All of this.

Plus, the Single Market has allowed specialisation (everyone does what they do best) to flourish and create highly complex but efficient pan European supply chains.

These can involve a dozen or more companies, with goods crossing numerous borders numerous times as they move through the manufacturing process towards the customer/end user. The result - everyone wins.

A hard Brexit will at a stroke remove the UK from most of these arrangements and all over Europe companies are already adjusting to replace the UK components and processes.

The significance of this is lost on the flag waving Brexiteer dunces but it isn't lost on the UK companies that are watching much of their business disappear.

Boggles · 06-07-2019 9:41am

First Up wrote: »

The significance of this is lost on the flag waving Brexiteer dunces but it isn't lost on the UK companies that are watching much of their business disappear.

Sometimes they can be one and the same. But even sneakier.

James Dyson had moved his belongings out before telling everyone to burn the house down.

That guy should be in the dictionary under 'hypocrisy' and 'bollix'.

amcalester · 06-07-2019 10:00am

Boggles wrote: »

Sometimes they can be one and the same. But even sneakier.

James Dyson had moved his belongings out before telling everyone to burn the house down.

That guy should be in the dictionary under 'hypocrisy' and 'bollix'.

Sure Rees-Mogg was involved is setting up an investment company in Ireland which listed Brexit as a major investment risk.

Professor Moriarty · 06-07-2019 10:06am

First Up wrote: »

All of this.

Plus, the Single Market has allowed specialisation (everyone does what they do best) to flourish and create highly complex but efficient pan European supply chains.

These can involve a dozen or more companies, with goods crossing numerous borders numerous times as they move through the manufacturing process towards the customer/end user. The result - everyone wins.

A hard Brexit will at a stroke remove the UK from most of these arrangements and all over Europe companies are already adjusting to replace the UK components and processes.

The significance of this is lost on the flag waving Brexiteer dunces but it isn't lost on the UK companies that are watching much of their business disappear.

Exactly. It's why they 'import' so much. Catastrophic isn't strong enough for No Deal.

Guy:Incognito · 17-07-2019 9:32am

Surely Farage is a parody? Theres no way someone could post this being serious.

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1151186908392951809?s=19

Kidchameleon · 17-07-2019 11:21am

Faugheen wrote: »

Better negotiator?

Boris couldn’t handle Coveney when the pair of them were up in front of the media of both countries when he was Foreign Secretary, trying to charm out the usual guff and pleasantries and Coveney made an absolute show of him.

Merkel, Macron, Barnier, even Arlene Foster would have him for breakfast.

Absolute nonsense that he’s a better negotiator when the only meaningful positions he’s ever had (Mayor of London and Foreign Secretary), he either did really **** or he ran away.

He’s a complete chancer. He agreed to May’s deal once there was a sniff of him being made PM involved.

Yes he is better than May. He has a track record of success (low crime and prosperity during his tenure as mayor) while May has a track record of failure (Brexit negociations). I never said he was the worlds greatest negociator, I simply said he was better than May. I also said he would not be my first choice. Personally, someone like Farage, would would leave on 31st Oct, deal or no deal would be my first choice.

17-07-2019 11:26am

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Yes he is better than May. He has a track record of success (low crime and prosperity during his tenure as mayor) while May has a track record of failure (Brexit negociations). I never said he was the worlds greatest negociator, I simply said he was better than May. I also said he would not be my first choice. Personally, someone like Farage, would would leave on 31st Oct, deal or no deal would be my first choice.

While May was the Prime Minister, Boris sniped from the sidelines. It's easy being the hurler in the ditch when you've never been PM. He's in for an almighty landing.

kunst nugget · 17-07-2019 11:35am

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Yes he is better than May. He has a track record of success (low crime and prosperity during his tenure as mayor) while May has a track record of failure (Brexit negociations). I never said he was the worlds greatest negociator, I simply said he was better than May. I also said he would not be my first choice. Personally, someone like Farage, would would leave on 31st Oct, deal or no deal would be my first choice.

You think Farage, who spent his time as an MEP shít-stirring and being a general nuisance, would be the best choice for negotiating a deal with the EU?

Are you high?

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