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Heavyweight Boxing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭reclose


    The April 1st date really suits the match up.

    Very poor opponent for Joshua, I’d be surprised if it sold well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    The lad worked a job before the Whyte fight ,

    I know Hearn says but Fury had tune up fights but that was because he was 3 0stone & over 2 years out of the ring,

    Has AJ really dropped to this level ,

    It'll be very interesting to see if this is box office what numbers it gets , You'd have to imagine the general public are getting a bit sick of AJ . Will he sell out the O2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    It is not PPV, and I guess I am not surprised. Yes, I know. I said AJ will be PPV till he retires. More said facetiously: It’s an absolute joke fight, really. AJs bubbble burst a while ago.

    you can bet his next fight after this (assuming he wins) will be PPV against a bigger name. A joke!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Butson


    It is a PPV fight in all but name.

    if you don't subscribe to Dazn currently, it will cost 20 pounds.

    if you do subscribe currently, you need to sign up for a year to stay on the 10 pounds a month plan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I get you. It is a paid service, just not strictly PPV. It would be beyond lunacy if they tried DAZN PPV it as well..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    The bigger name being lined up is Dillian Whyte for a stadium in the summer which will 100% be ppv, Eddie floated the name wilder for the winter but I can’t see them taking that risk tbh

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yep, Whyte is the name I believe will be next, should AJ win. Not a hope I am paying for two washed-up has beens to "do it again."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    but it is a grudge match that was so close last time lol

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Whyte Joshua is a decent contest and there’ll be a good card. Fight it at Wembley. No belt. Assuming joshua comes through that then why not fight wilder? It’s a huge draw and he has a decent chance. He won’t beat fury or Usyk. What else is left?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Whyte was pants at his best, and is now clearly past his best....he's completely washed up. Useless.

    I'd expect even a past his best (more timid AJ) to do a number on him. It's an absolute nothing fight.

    It's up there (although not as pathetic) as Fury-Chisora III



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    when was the last time whyte actually came out and impressed anyone, he couldn’t stop laughing at wilder getting beaten by fury which made a funny clip

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Whyte is done , he is toast,

    I never thought about it before but if we recall he was caught with something in his system after the Rivas fight ,Since then he has been absolutely shocking , Could be coincidence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yep, and if we even consider his ONLY chance here, a KO shot: I don't think he even possesses the type of spark-delivery needed to get it

    AJ should beat him every rd and then take him out mid rds.....

    Post edited by walshb on


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    I dunno. I was at the Rivas fight and he was just ok that night. Lazy.

    take povetkin, whyte was all over him as washed up as he was. Was he less impressive than joshua against povetkin? Joshua might just have the belief he has his number so he could fight better. Whyte may not have that belief in which case he’s not even gonna be as good. But it’s about as competitive as you can get outside Wilder or possibly Joyce and he’s not gonna fight them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Aj said it’s all about the money, he is a prize fighter after all

    he was then asked if he’s glad to be back at the o2 and he said nah not really he prefers Wembley innit


    he seems different in his interviews today, no talk of titles or legacy

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,342 ✭✭✭Bobby Baccala


    Funny thing is he probably means the stadium and not the smaller Wembley arena as deluded as he is , he’ll probably sell out the o2 but only because it’s in London where I imagine the last of his fan base is.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Whyte Franklin was bizarre. Whytes coach just kept telling him to defend and jab despite the fact the scorecard was close. They had no desire to attack.

    He's been really poor since Rivas as mentioned above.


    Both Franklin and Whyte should be fairly handy fights for AJ.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    i didn’t hear anymore about Whytes positive test from the Rivas fight, Eddie was talking about a b sample for a while and then nothing

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Hmm who was it he fought after that on the joshua Ruiz undercard and he was a fat mess but won on points?

    I don’t think there’s a lot between him and Joshua



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    After Rivas Whyte went on to fight mariusz wach on the Aj card and that was a terrible fight

    whyte then went on to get sparked out by povetkin, who then got covid and had serious health issues with Whyte claiming he was ducking him

    whyte beat him in the rematch and it was claimed he was back to his best, povetkin retired because of his long covid issues (I think) then we had fury knock him out with and a strange tussle with Franklin where Whyte was told not to go for the knock out for some reason.

    i like Whyte but when you look at his career as a boxer he’s not great, he’s entertaining though

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Whyte has went downhill fast the past few years. His fights in 2018 and 2019 and 2020 and 2021 are a long time ago. He has looked awful his last 2 fights. AJ is on the slide, yes, but he should have far too much v Whyte.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,480 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    If AJ let's go he should have him out of there in no time.

    Anything but an early night for AJ should add even more embarrassment on him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    aj is the more disciplined of the two and more powerful boxer, whyte lets his anger change his fights and the street fighter in him comes out very quickly

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  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I used to enjoy Whytes fights for the entertainment also. He had a good run after the AJ loss.

    But he's looked really poor for the most part since Rivas. And I just don't see what he has to trouble any top opponents.


    Ironically, I thought he looked back in good shape and form against Povekin just minutes before he was dropped.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    That’s the point I’m making, povetkin outfoxed him with a brilliantly set up move. He had that fight in the bag. His own laziness and bad habits have cost him a lot. I think he raises his game for Joshua. Neither are going that well. If he’s that bad then Fury has really picked his last two opponents and conned us all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    But, this is here and now, 2023. Not a few years ago when Whyte was better. He was abysmal in his last two fights. Last time he looked decent was Povetkin II, against a cleary washed up Povetkin

    Maybe I am being too harsh on him, but at his best he wasn't all that good. I am not alone in this view. He has made an absolute killing based off being knocked out years ago by AJ. Since this loss he beat nobody worth a damn, and was beaten clearly every time he stepped up, and one those losses was a KO against a washed-up Povetkin



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Yea I get that but both of them have declined. He’s still game at self while joshua has looked afraid recently. I guess there isn’t much to suggest he should be beating joshua but my argument is that it’s a decent fight and test for Joshua.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,480 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Stuck a fiver on Joshuav Franklin to make it a bit interesting




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭reclose


    I think Hearn did a great job making Whyte out to be a higher standard than he actually is.

    probably a fringe top 10 at his best but was never a serious challenger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    He waited 1000 days for a title shot 🤣 his videos with Kugan on ifltv have been funny over the years but he’s not been the same lately, wether that’s because he’s living abroad or the fact he’s on the decline I don’t know

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    I'm one of those who has been saying Whyte was terrible forever. Who was his best win? Derek Chisora? Lucas Browne? Dave Allen? I have never seen anything above European level in him. He Bullied and fouled Joe Parker and almost still got knocked out in the last round. He has never been impressive.

    I remember posting here after Joe Joyce's debut fight that Joyce would beat Whyte there and then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭reclose


    Not to mention his brother who’s not his brother 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    I’m not a fan but he’s beaten Chisora twice, Helenius, Wach, Povetkin and Parker. Those are all credible wins. Joyce was having an even enough contest with Parker until the last round or two. I think Joyce is better than whyte too now but people go on like he’s amazing. Don’t see that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Chisora is/was British level and Whyte went life and death with him, Helenius got sparked in 1 by Wilder, Wach is muck, Povetkin was washed and still knocked him out. Parker was his best win but if you watch it back Parker was in control until Whyte knocked him down with a headbutt/Elbow, then Parker eventually came back after being very passive in the middle rounds to almost have a gassing Whyte out in the last.

    Joyce always looked in control, never in trouble and was always coming on strong against Parker.

    Whyte has never had been a good boxer, isn't particularly big or strong, has questionable fitness and engine, not much of a punch or chin. Fundamentally he has not much going for him.

    Post edited by normanoffside on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Looking at the latest AJ interviews, it looks to me like he is just back for a few easy paydays.

    I do not think he will hold a world title again.

    In fact he might lose to Franklin ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    I get your point and I’m not putting him (currently) in top 5. Parker has gone backwards since then too. But no one ridiculed Helenius for getting the shot with wilder etc etc. Whyte is or has been a decent opponent for a champ or contender



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    If he loses to Franklin he’s screwed. I expect he wins handily. Franklin is not that good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Aj should not lose to Franklin

    franklin can punch but he’s not a banger/knock out artist

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Franklin 6/1

    Its a saver if nothing else ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Helenius didn't get a shot with Wilder. He fought Wilder in his comeback fight after the Fury trilogy (for no title) and got sparked in 1. I'd bet on Helenius to beat Frankilin, he's a similar enough level to Whyte or Chisroa.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    If AJ had choen Wallin now that would have been interesting.

    I think Wallin would take him now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    A huge issue for Whyte is that his biggest strength was he was big, tough & stubborn ,

    He would take punishment & keep pushing forward hoping to catch you with a big shot , AVP 1 changed him, it was a brutal ko & since he has tried to box more & does not want to or simply can't just plough forward like he used to ,

    He is brawler with a decent jab who used put lads under pressure for 12 tough rounds or as long as the fight lasted it was a FIGHT,

    The dog in him is gone now & his limited boxing skill are much easier to expose ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Call me nuts but i really question that fight,

    Helenius is Wilders long time training partner & friend ,

    Was the shot just that good , something didn't feel right with it , , Very very similar to when Wilder fought Malik Scott ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Boxing social running the story that the undisputed is at Wembley for April 29th

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes. Warren hopefully delivering on his last Saturday in April guarantee



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    What do we think the split will be with pundits and commentators and boxers and ex boxers? From all I have seen it’s about 80-20 picking Fury.

    Groves picking Usyk and Bellew gone from Fury to 50/50. I think Barry McGuigan is going with Usyk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Well at least we can all bet on Haye picking Usyk ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I see Daddy Fury spouting off about how Tyson and Fumbles aren’t being given the money they deserve. Tyson is not being offered what he’s worth .. I guess they’ll price themselves ouha the Usyk fight now, and blame everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,675 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Or is it just the gypsy way of haggling for more money for Tyson

    saudi arent short of money

    it’s hard to believe anything unless it’s signed tbh, allegedly Usyk is happy with his money, without fury is he having a big payday though 🤷‍♂️

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