FF/FG/Green Next Government

25-09-2020 4:39pm

Floppybits wrote: »

This travel thing is one big cock up. If the government don't want anyone travelling then they should come out and say it simple as that. The reason they wont come out and say it is because then the airlines will have to refund anyone who booked flights. O'Leary was on Newstalk yesterday and he was saying that there will be no refunds for any that has booked flights who don't turn up, as he said the flights the Germany will still be going.

Refunds were never issued for no shows.

Brendan Bendar · 25-09-2020 4:40pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Blanch is blaiming SF/DUP for issues North and South, word is he's saying SF men were in China when the outbreak first happened

Well they did roar and shout around Athens when their fellow travelers imploded and schorched off on a motorbike when they were found out.

Couldn’t take the heat dude.

Like I said very easy to call for everything, totally different to deliver.

You need to examine that stuff closely, my friend.

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2020 5:12pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Well they did roar and shout around Athens when their fellow travelers imploded and schorched off on a motorbike when they were found out.

Couldn’t take the heat dude.

Like I said very easy to call for everything, totally different to deliver.

You need to examine that stuff closely, my friend.

Well there isn't a problem Brendi when you call out a party for this and that.

It's a completely different leap into the absurd when, in his defensiveness, blanch has fired off the gatling gun of blame at SF for being responsible for our issues with Covid.

The shinners are corroding your rational thinking if such ever existed.
You need to examine that stuff closely and metaphorically give it a blast of the WD40.

Brendan Bendar · 25-09-2020 5:28pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well there isn't a problem Brendi when you call out a party for this and that.

It's a completely different leap into the absurd when, in his defensiveness, blanch has fired off the gatling gun of blame at SF for being responsible for our issues with Covid.

The shinners are corroding your rational thinking if such ever existed.
You need to examine that stuff closely and metaphorically give it a blast of the WD40.

Well Francie, Pierce is struggling badly on Drivetime .

Donegal was,as is well known the Wild West when the drink regulations
were in force, nod and wink, carry on ,what ya havin’ lads.

Pierce gave no leadership when he must have known what was going on, Communions, parties, weddings..

Then when the merde hit the fan the guy starts looking for more ‘help’ for the people who spread the virus by not co operating.

Francie..... would you ever............please

I’m not dancing on the head of a pin on this... so don’t bother.

JohnnyFlash · 25-09-2020 5:45pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Well Francie, Pierce is struggling badly on Drivetime .

Donegal was,as is well known the Wild West when the drink regulations
were in force, nod and wink, carry on ,what ya havin’ lads.

Pierce gave no leadership when he must have known what was going on, Communions, parties, weddings..

Then when the merde hit the fan the guy starts looking for more ‘help’ for the people who spread the virus by not co operating.

Francie..... would you ever............please

I’m not dancing on the head of a pin on this... so don’t bother.

Doherty wouldn’t be the sharpest tool in the box, Brendan. Struggles to make a coherent and nuanced argument, so just reverts to the usual SF tactic of shouting, moaning, and being indignant.

He wasn’t above breaking lockdown rules either, so any point he makes about Covid is null and void.

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2020 5:45pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Well Francie, Pierce is struggling badly on Drivetime .

Donegal was,as is well known the Wild West when the drink regulations
were in force, nod and wink, carry on ,what ya havin’ lads.

Pierce gave no leadership when he must have known what was going on, Communions, parties, weddings..

Then when the merde hit the fan the guy starts looking for more ‘help’ for the people who spread the virus by not co operating.

Francie..... would you ever............please

I’m not dancing on the head of a pin on this... so don’t bother.

Who fault is Offaly, Kildare, Dublin Brendi?

The virus does not recognise party affiliations or whether you live in Donegal or Dublin.

When are you lads gonna accept this? The Shinners is not an excuse.

Donegal has it's 'nod and wink' reputation as a result of FF and genepool FF politicking BTW.

christy c · 25-09-2020 5:51pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As I said to christy c, it's not over until the iFat Lady sings.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1309430491657973760

If it is not over, then it makes even less sense to want to spend the Apple money as the angry man Pearse wanted to.

I wouldn't hold out much hope if I were SF, better have the "fairness" soundbites at the ready.

PommieBast · 25-09-2020 7:15pm

Floppybits wrote: »

This travel thing is one big cock up. If the government don't want anyone travelling then they should come out and say it simple as that. The reason they wont come out and say it is because then the airlines will have to refund anyone who booked flights.

It is not just travel. As has been covered ad nauseam in other threads publicans have been strung along for months in a way that makes it impossible for them to plan their livelihoods. Visas have also had months of ad-hoc six week extensions. People who have had citizenship approved and paid all the fees have had radio silence since March. I could go on but there are only so many part of government & the civil service I pay any attention to..

Nobotty · 25-09-2020 7:41pm

christy c wrote: »

If it is not over, then it makes even less sense to want to spend the Apple money as the angry man Pearse wanted to.

I wouldn't hold out much hope if I were SF, better have the "fairness" soundbites at the ready.

That apple money is not ours,its an elaborate case dreamed up by very highly paid civil servants with nothing better to do in Brussels
They were always going to appeal to save face
Why wouldn't they,the money they spend on lawyers is not theirs
I do not know why any left party use it as a talking point

Floppybits · 25-09-2020 8:12pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Refunds were never issued for no shows.

Are you saying that people who have flights booked to non green list countries should go despite the government you support saying not to go?

25-09-2020 8:39pm

Floppybits wrote: »

Are you saying that people who have flights booked to non green list countries should go despite the government you support saying not to go?

No. I’m simply pointing out that if the plane is flying and a passenger decides not to travel, they’re not automatically entitled to a refund. Their decision. Their loss. Simples.

blanch152 · 25-09-2020 8:45pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Blanch is blaiming SF/DUP for issues North and South, word is he's saying SF men were in China when the outbreak first happened

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well there isn't a problem Brendi when you call out a party for this and that.

It's a completely different leap into the absurd when, in his defensiveness, blanch has fired off the gatling gun of blame at SF for being responsible for our issues with Covid.

The shinners are corroding your rational thinking if such ever existed.
You need to examine that stuff closely and metaphorically give it a blast of the WD40.

The hysterical overreaction, twisting and poster-blaming in response to any criticism of Sinn Fein is going past childishness now, and becoming boring. Bang another drum, lads.

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2020 8:47pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The hysterical overreaction, twisting and poster-blaming in response to any criticism of Sinn Fein is going past childishness now, and becoming boring. Bang another drum, lads.

Over reaction..think that line was crossed with the lad blaming the Shinners for the Donegal increase.

a very cool kid · 25-09-2020 9:26pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is a 'proper apology'?

Those guilty served their sentence and as far as I know apologies have been made.

NOBODY who was a victim of the conflict/war has been properly compensated.

In Northern Ireland, Sinn Féin, if they have turned the corner and accept the Good Friday Agreement need to learn to move on.

There is tremendous pain on both sides in NI. Opening old wounds helps no-one. There were heinous atrocities committed by all participants in the troubles.

The GFA allowed the release of all prisoners related to the troubles and tried to forgive and let bygones be bygones but SF or the DUP won't allow NI to heal as the constant war keeps them in power (having the populace vote against the other faction) and highlights the absolute lack of initiative they've had in power - which is nothing short of a disgrace.

For SF to be trusted by the mainstream in the Republic, nothing short of the outright condemnation of the acts of murder of our public servants in the line of duty and condemnation of those involved will suffice.

Floppybits · 25-09-2020 9:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

No. I’m simply pointing out that if the plane is flying and a passenger decides not to travel, they’re not automatically entitled to a refund. Their decision. Their loss. Simples.

So if they follow the government guidance they are at the loss of the money for the flight, then there can be no complaints from anyone if the people get on the plane and travel. Would you agree with that? Can't have it both ways

25-09-2020 9:51pm

Floppybits wrote: »

So if they follow the government guidance they are at the loss of the money for the flight, then there can be no complaints from anyone if the people get on the plane and travel. Would you agree with that? Can't have it both ways

The government isn’t telling them not to fly! Just advising against it! Sh1t happens!! Personal responsibility and all that! Possibly losing ones life versus losing a few Euro. If people wish to travel, the choice is theirs.

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2020 9:58pm

a very cool kid wrote: »

In Northern Ireland, Sinn Féin, if they have turned the corner and accept the Good Friday Agreement need to learn to move on.

There is tremendous pain on both sides in NI. Opening old wounds helps no-one. There were heinous atrocities committed by all participants in the troubles.

The GFA allowed the release of all prisoners related to the troubles and tried to forgive and let bygones be bygones but SF or the DUP won't allow NI to heal as the constant war keeps them in power (having the populace vote against the other faction) and highlights the absolute lack of initiative they've had in power - which is nothing short of a disgrace.

For SF to be trusted by the mainstream in the Republic, nothing short of the outright condemnation of the acts of murder of our public servants in the line of duty and condemnation of those involved will suffice.

The bottom line is, we either see the value of a truth process, were all sides, including the Irish governments, sit down and give witness to what happened or we don't.
You can't create another halfway house like the north was itself where there is a ceiling that nationalists are not allowed beyond.
There was more than the IRA or SF at fault, and everyone involved needs to take part in a truth process or forget it basically.
We'll keep on with the slow reveal of what Britain did, because that is what is happening.

Bishop of hope · 25-09-2020 10:12pm

a very cool kid wrote: »

In Northern Ireland, Sinn Féin, if they have turned the corner and accept the Good Friday Agreement need to learn to move on.

There is tremendous pain on both sides in NI. Opening old wounds helps no-one. There were heinous atrocities committed by all participants in the troubles.

The GFA allowed the release of all prisoners related to the troubles and tried to forgive and let bygones be bygones but SF or the DUP won't allow NI to heal as the constant war keeps them in power (having the populace vote against the other faction) and highlights the absolute lack of initiative they've had in power - which is nothing short of a disgrace.

For SF to be trusted by the mainstream in the Republic, nothing short of the outright condemnation of the acts of murder of our public servants in the line of duty and condemnation of those involved will suffice.

But SF are fast becoming our largest party, going on opinion polls.
The other parties can't keep ignoring them.
Someone somewhere obviously doesn't give a **** about apologies.

James Brown · 25-09-2020 10:44pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

You should take a day off, dude. This stuff is eating you up inside.

Shouldn't let it get in on you JF. People in a discussion forum be discussin. Maybe sign off for a bit, play a round. No sense in getting het up sbout comments.

25-09-2020 10:49pm

Bowie wrote: »

Shouldn't let it get in on you JF. People in a discussion forum be discussin. Maybe sign off for a bit, play a round. No sense in getting het up sbout comments.

Tis called living in a democracy. Differing views vocalised and debated.

FrancieBrady · 25-09-2020 10:57pm

Bishop of hope wrote: »

But SF are fast becoming our largest party, going on opinion polls.
The other parties can't keep ignoring them.
Someone somewhere obviously doesn't give a **** about apologies.

Or maybe they realise just what went on up 'there'.

JohnnyFlash · 26-09-2020 12:19am

Bowie wrote: »

Shouldn't let it get in on you JF. People in a discussion forum be discussin. Maybe sign off for a bit, play a round. No sense in getting het up sbout comments.

Did you ever play golf yourself, dude? A hobby that involves fresh air and meeting real people might suit you.

Yurt2 · 26-09-2020 1:22am

I love it when Johnny the obsessive makes out like he's cool hand Luke, as if he's casually posting missives on his Huawei on his way to the back-nine. When the reality is he's hunched over a keyboard with the veins popping out of his head, incredulous that people have different opinions and have the temerity to chat-back to him and his multis.

Yurt2 · 26-09-2020 6:21am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The bottom line is, we either see the value of a truth process, were all sides, including the Irish governments, sit down and give witness to what happened or we don't.
You can't create another halfway house like the north was itself where there is a ceiling that nationalists are not allowed beyond.
There was more than the IRA or SF at fault, and everyone involved needs to take part in a truth process or forget it basically.
We'll keep on with the slow reveal of what Britain did, because that is what is happening.

I have a good friend of nationalist stock from up-north who lives in Dublin (she's actually from a SDLP family before the B.O.Ts lose their minds) who has choice words about the attitudes of the great and the good in the south towards her community, and many of those attitudes are reflected in this thread.

Basically, she has got accustomed to the pursed lips and vacant stares into the distance when she tries to explain what her community went through at the hands of British state actors and the dismissive hand waving and tin ear turned towards them by the governing class in the south. And as she points out, these are the very class of people running around the world speaking in conflict zones for expenses telling everyone how they crafted the GFA and what wonderful peacemakers they are.

Nobotty · 26-09-2020 8:54am

Yurt! wrote: »

Basically, she has got accustomed to the pursed lips and vacant stares into the distance when she tries to explain what her community went through at the hands of British state actors and the dismissive hand waving and tin ear turned towards them by the governing class in the south. And as she points out, these are the very class of people running around the world speaking in conflict zones for expenses telling everyone how they crafted the GFA and what wonderful peacemakers they are.

If your friend is going on like that ,she's not a normal person from the north
I know a lot from the north and none of them go on with that
You're either exaggerating or she is
The troubles should have its own thread,what in the name of God has it to do with this government today
We all have much more to be concerned about

Yurt2 · 26-09-2020 9:02am

Nobotty wrote: »

If your friend is going on like that ,she's not a normal person from the north
I know a lot from the north and none of them go on with that
You're either exaggerating or she is
The troubles should have its own thread,what in the name of God has it to do with this government today
We all have much more to be concerned about

You want her email address or something? She'd run rings around you btw.

If you know nobody from up north "who gos on with that" I'd wager you don't actually know too many people from the north. A good many of them (and they're not all SF supporters) wouldn't have too many kind words to say about how they are viewed by the likes of JohnnyBrendanFlashSpice as to where they fit in the Irish nation. Blue tinged foghorns who like to repurpose the history of the troubles because they're in a spot of electoral bother, fete the likes of Mallon and Hume but patronise the population as soon as the M1 becomes the A1.

FrancieBrady · 26-09-2020 9:23am

Nobotty wrote: »

If your friend is going on like that ,she's not a normal person from the north
I know a lot from the north and none of them go on with that
You're either exaggerating or she is
The troubles should have its own thread,what in the name of God has it to do with this government today
We all have much more to be concerned about

Plenty of people feel they were abandoned in the north and with good reason IMO. And there are plenty who think that FG in particular are far too cozy with, and forgiving of Unionism and the British. Just look at these threads and mostly those who defend FG are also our partitionists.

Stop trying to censor the thread too...if the topic doesn't interest you just make whatever point you want, we are all able to cope with two or three conversations happening at the same time.

Nobotty · 26-09-2020 9:25am

People in their 20s and younger don't feel like that as a norm

Yurt2 · 26-09-2020 9:27am

Nobotty wrote: »

People in their 20s and younger don't feel like that as a norm

She's in her 20s. And I could introduce you to a few more who harbor similar sentiments.

Nobotty · 26-09-2020 9:51am

Yurt! wrote: »

She's in her 20s. And I could introduce you to a few more who harbor similar sentiments.

Well that's news to me,I've never came across that only in older people
There are pages of stuff here tooing and froing about the north in a thread about what this government is doing
Thats ridiculous IMO
I mean seriously
And its not your fault, there's 5 or 6 in a tango here not discussing anything at all,just in a competition on who bests who
I'll end up at it if I stick around

James Brown · 26-09-2020 12:32pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Did you ever play golf yourself, dude? A hobby that involves fresh air and meeting real people might suit you.

I'm cula bula. Just noticed a lot of your comments are regarding your idea of the tone, 'lot of anger' and the like. Don't let it get in on you is all.

James Brown · 26-09-2020 12:46pm

I waited and hoped Covid was tackled well. Like in everything I dont particularly care who gets the brownie points if they are doing right by the public.
The fiddling with NPHET advice to suit was selfish and incompetent, IMO, that and things like inaction with the meat plants has Ireland were it is today.
Covid didn't respond well to 'One rule for us' and cronyism.
Like in 2011, when many of us thought they'd learned their lesson and would 'change the way we do business', 'an end to cronyism' etc. they did, but didn't care to follow through. That electoral chatter showed they know what they do damages but they can't help themselves. FF/FG and lickspittles like the Greens need to go.

FrancieBrady · 26-09-2020 12:49pm

Mary McAleese having a cut at those partitionists who 'think' they know what they are talking about, specifically Eoghan Harris.
He was (don't know if he still is) M. Martin's northern advisor and I think his spectacular rants about SF and his eulogising of Martin before the election probably did more to push voters into the arms of the Shinners. 'They know not what they do'.

JohnnyFlash · 26-09-2020 1:35pm

You don’t have to have lived in Northern Ireland to know that murdering innocent people was both morally wrong and a complete waste of time.

Absolute basket case of a place.

FrancieBrady · 26-09-2020 1:39pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

You don’t have to have lived in Northern Ireland to know that murdering innocent people was both morally wrong and a complete waste of time.

Absolute basket case of a place.

I know somewhere the exact same thing happened a few decades before...mad hi!

McMurphy · 26-09-2020 2:09pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

You don’t have to have lived in Northern Ireland to know that murdering innocent people was both morally wrong and a complete waste of time.

Absolute basket case of a place.

The point is why anyone was murdered by anyone else, that's the point.

It's all very well to sit on a high horse pontificating about murderers this and murderers that, when you have only ever known life in a state where the police force and government didn't collude with paramilitaries to murder one section of the community for no other reason than their religion.

Yurt2 · 26-09-2020 2:17pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Absolute basket case of a place.

Ladies and gentlemen of the north who identify as Irish that may be reading this, meet our resident blueshirt spirit animal JohnnySpice.

In case you're in any doubt what his ilk think of you. The "constitutional nationalism" of FG my left nut, pursed lips and vacant stares while talking up their non-record in making peace on the island.

James Brown · 26-09-2020 2:23pm

Yurt! wrote: »

Ladies and gentlemen of the north who identify as Irish that may be reading this, meet our resident blueshirt spirit animal JohnnySpice.

In case you're in any doubt what his ilk think of you. The "constitutional nationalism" of FG my left nut, pursed lips and vacant stares while talking up their non-record in making peace on the island.

From the party that look after their own, dodge responsibility on social issues and write off sections of society, it's not surprising they'd support cutting ties with sections of the country that didn't benefit them in some way. On that they're happy to bark about the north if it helps deflect from their own shenanigans.

Yurt2 · 26-09-2020 2:31pm

Bowie wrote: »

From the party that look after their own, dodge responsibility on social issues and write off sections of society, it's not surprising they'd support cutting ties with sections of the country that didn't benefit them in some way. On that they're happy to bark about the north if it helps deflect from their own shenanigans.

Indeed. They're fond of the northern bogeyman narrative for their own narrow poltical reasons even though the conflict is almost 2 decades behind us at this stage. With every year that passes their finger wagging furrowed brows with dire warnings get more and more comical.

One of the days they'll find themselves behind the 8-ball politically on the question of the north.Just as they're behind it on their failures on a spate of social and economic issues that developed on their watch - spending their days coming up with communications strategies to gaslight the population that they're not happening.

Nobotty · 26-09-2020 2:40pm

What in the name of God would Eoghan Harris know about the north

smurgen · 26-09-2020 3:08pm

Nobotty wrote: »

What in the name of God would Eoghan Harris know about the north

Or half the headbangers in this thread. Lunatics referring to grieving families as crackpots.

JohnnyFlash · 26-09-2020 4:38pm

McMurphy wrote: »

The point is why anyone was murdered by anyone else, that's the point.

It's all very well to sit on a high horse pontificating about murderers this and murderers that, when you have only ever known life in a state where the police force and government didn't collude with paramilitaries to murder one section of the community for no other reason than their religion.

The PIRA killed more catholics and nationalists than any other group. Bunch of scumbags they were. Serial killers, rapists, wife beaters, bank robbers, and nonces.

McMurphy · 26-09-2020 5:04pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The PIRA killed more catholics and nationalists than any other group. Bunch of scumbags they were. Serial killers, rapists, wife beaters, bank robbers, and nonces.

I doubt anyone other than FG spin master's, partitionist's and belligerent unionists were keeping score cards John on who killed who, or what flavor of religion they were but the IRA were an unfortunate necessity at the time, as a response to gerrymandering, discrimination and murders being carried out by the British Government, the Security forces and loyalist paramilitaries.

The GFA has thankfully been in place now for over twenty years, and Sinn Fein have increased its vote share here year on year since that, and it appears to be a trend that is continuing.

The younger generation don't give a shiny shyte for this continuous "but the IRA" nonsense yourself and the rest of the blueshirt brigade keep rattling on about, time to try a different tactic I suspect.

Truthvader · 26-09-2020 5:18pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I know somewhere the exact same thing happened a few decades before...mad hi!

No you don't that is not true. The indiscriminate campaign of relentless murder and thuggery carried out by Sinn Fein IRA is unique.

But cheer up. As many Shinnerbots here point out there is a younger generation who either dont know or dont care so Sinn Fein may yet take power in the South. My prediction given the low calibre of their membership is for a diastrous sh1tsandwich of incompetence and criminality when they do that will make Trump look like Jesus. As is already evidenced here there is a hard core of support for them even amongst those who know exactly who and what they are. So lets see how it works out for you if poor Mary Lou, Pearse, Dessie and the rest of them get in.

smurgen · 26-09-2020 5:26pm

Truthvader wrote: »

No you don't that is not true. The indiscriminate campaign of relentless murder and thuggery carried out by Sinn Fein IRA is unique.

But cheer up. As many Shinnerbots here point out there is a younger generation who either dont know or dont care so Sinn Fein may yet take power in the South. My prediction given the low calibre of their membership is for a diastrous sh1tsandwich of incompetence and criminality when they do that will make Trump look like Jesus. As is already evidenced here there is a hard core of support for them even amongst those who know exactly who and what they are. So lets see how it works out for you if poor Mary Lou, Pearse, Dessie and the rest of them get in.

The parallels with the Party from 1984 and FFG is breath taking sometimes. This reads like Two Minute Hate.

dundalkfc10 · 26-09-2020 5:45pm

Truthvader wrote: »

No you don't that is not true. The indiscriminate campaign of relentless murder and thuggery carried out by Sinn Fein IRA is unique.

But cheer up. As many Shinnerbots here point out there is a younger generation who either dont know or dont care so Sinn Fein may yet take power in the South. My prediction given the low calibre of their membership is for a diastrous sh1tsandwich of incompetence and criminality when they do that will make Trump look like Jesus. As is already evidenced here there is a hard core of support for them even amongst those who know exactly who and what they are. So lets see how it works out for you if poor Mary Lou, Pearse, Dessie and the rest of them get in.

I think you will find many young folk do know what went on in the 6 counties. They have great sympathy with Catholics who had to live there

James Brown · 26-09-2020 6:25pm

Truthvader wrote: »

No you don't that is not true. The indiscriminate campaign of relentless murder and thuggery carried out by Sinn Fein IRA is unique.

But cheer up. As many Shinnerbots here point out there is a younger generation who either dont know or dont care so Sinn Fein may yet take power in the South. My prediction given the low calibre of their membership is for a diastrous sh1tsandwich of incompetence and criminality when they do that will make Trump look like Jesus. As is already evidenced here there is a hard core of support for them even amongst those who know exactly who and what they are. So lets see how it works out for you if poor Mary Lou, Pearse, Dessie and the rest of them get in.

As FF and FG became more alike and then partnered they lost their traditional see-saw of the public going for one to punish the other. All they've had for the last few decades is being the more preferable of a bad lot. That's no longer the case. They need up their game or accept that they can't bank on replacing each other any more.
When most people decide who's best to vote for they aren't thinking of things that happened 20 or 30 years ago.

FrancieBrady · 26-09-2020 6:42pm

Truthvader wrote: »

No you don't that is not true. The indiscriminate campaign of relentless murder and thuggery carried out by Sinn Fein IRA is unique.

.

Bull. If they'd had the means they'd have done the same.

The 'intents' were not unique. Has been seen in war/conflicts that escalate all over the world all through history.

Truthvader · 26-09-2020 8:33pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Bull. If they'd had the means they'd have done the same.

The 'intents' were not unique. Has been seen in war/conflicts that escalate all over the world all through history.

Bull right back at you. Wars and conflicts do not routinely or necessarily include a policy of random murder of random people and where it does the guilty should be in prison. By world standards of depravity, crippling children and mutilating non combatants in pub bombings and the likes of Enniskillen and Omagh is as low as it gets. Its just not OK and people who are responsible or who justify it are not fit to mix with decent people - never mind govern them

FrancieBrady · 26-09-2020 8:39pm

Truthvader wrote: »

Bull right back at you. Wars and conflicts do not routinely or necessarily include a policy of random murder of random people and where it does the guilty should be in prison. By world standards of depravity, crippling children and mutilating non combatants in pub bombings and the likes of Enniskillen and Omagh is as low as it gets. Its just not OK and people who are responsible or who justify it are not fit to mix with decent people - never mind govern them

Name these war/conflicts that didn't kill innocent people Truth? There may be some, but plenty were the exact same as what happened here.

This one had government agents plotting to bomb a primary school ffs. It was always going to escalate when you had an unstable partisan government on one side and a government who didn't care on this side.

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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