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spurious · 15-10-2020 12:17am

Vetch · 15-10-2020 6:52am

mindhorn wrote: »

Back again.

1st line - Godparents are Joseph Nolan and Margaret Kinely? My guess is that this should read Kinnealy?

1st line - Witness is Elizabeth...?

Perhaps you have a Kinnealy but there's also Kinealy, Kenneally, Conneally etc... I'd suggest Madden for the witness' surname.

mindhorn · 15-10-2020 1:16pm

Hermy wrote: »

2nd from the bottom - Army for both of them.

1st line - Uzelle, same as the bride? Otherwise Waldon, Waldron or something similar?

Thanks everyone, great help as usual.

The reason I think army is a bit odd is that he's approx. 50 years of age at this point. Occupations up until this point included labourer/porter/etc. Bit old to suddenly appear in the army? I know a couple of his children signed up to the RDF but wasn't expecting to see him have any involvement.

I was thinking Uzelle originally but looks too different to the text above (Mary Jane and Edward). And I think Madden looks right considering the style of the M for Mary. Missed the profession when looking at this the first time, does that say soldier for both father's?

KildareFan · 18-10-2020 4:04pm

<The reason I think army is a bit odd is that he's approx. 50 years of age at this point. Occupations up until this point included labourer/porter/etc. Bit old to suddenly appear in the army? I know a couple of his children signed up to the RDF but wasn't expecting to see him have any involvement.>

It is possible that he worked for the Army as a civilian. My great aunt was married to a canteen steward in an army barracks, but he wasn't a soldier.

spurious · 18-10-2020 5:05pm

Have you looked for army papers for him?
I also thought it was unusual that it did not say 'soldier' or give the rank or regiment, but perhaps as Kildare Fan says he was a civilian working with the army.

mindhorn · 19-10-2020 8:27am

I checked nam.ac.uk but can only find a record of his son there (guess to be expected since that only covers the period 1920-1922). Also tried FMP. This reads 'Soldier' for both fathers, right? It's a tiny bit more specific than just 'Army'.

As an aside, he lived around the corner from the British Army Recruiting Office on Pearse Street.

spurious · 19-10-2020 9:59am

mindhorn wrote: »

I checked nam.ac.uk but can only find a record of his son there (guess to be expected since that only covers the period 1920-1922). Also tried FMP. This reads 'Soldier' for both fathers, right? It's a tiny bit more specific than just 'Army'.

As an aside, he lived around the corner from the British Army Recruiting Office on Pearse Street.

Did he always live there? I can see an older soldier on fold3.com , age given as either 38 or 44 (!) Joseph Whelan, but from Kingstown.

mindhorn · 19-10-2020 1:16pm

You prompted me to go looking again for his death cert (1929) and managed to find it, thanks! Cert states that he was an ex-British soldier so that confirms that. Address is the same as at date of death.

Waitsian · 25-10-2020 9:00pm

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1873/020691/7259757.pdf

Thomas McGivern, top of the page. His occupation please. He's a clerk of some description but I can't make out the first word. Thanks.

A New earth · 25-10-2020 9:11pm

Dispatch

New Home · 25-10-2020 9:23pm

Looks like "Wesfaulch"... could it be "Despatch"? (typo?)

A New earth got there before me.

A New earth · 25-10-2020 9:30pm

Dispatch vs. despatch
There is no difference between dispatch and despatch. The latter is an alternative spelling that was common in the 19th century and earlier, but dispatch has gained undisputed dominance in modern English. Despatch has mostly disappeared from the language—except in the U.K., where it appears in place of dispatch about a third of the time—and dispatch is the preferred spelling for all senses of the word.

Waitsian · 25-10-2020 10:54pm

Thank you both.

rusheens · 29-10-2020 12:10pm

I'd appreciate the help with the first word in the attached. The entry is under the first column, "Nature of Mental Symptoms", and it's the notation near the bottom, three above the gloved fingers of the digitiser.

I can't make out the first word, the rest says "...alternatively joyous & melancholic".

Many thanks

Mick Tator · 29-10-2020 1:19pm

Incoherence ( also 'alternately' and not 'alternatively')

rusheens · 30-10-2020 10:24am

thank you!!

montgo · 02-11-2020 7:00pm

Hi,
I need help with deciphering a baptism record (5th entry on left page) dated 17 March 1824 on this link.

Father's surname if possible?
Thanks

Hermy · 02-11-2020 7:19pm

montgo wrote: »

Father's surname if possible?

Gleeson?

Mick Tator · 02-11-2020 7:47pm

‘of Mich. Tiernan and Mary Tiernan.’ ??

montgo · 02-11-2020 7:51pm

Yes Hermy, it looks like Gleeson but I was hoping for Guerin/Geron. Although now I think it might be Gorman as I've found other baptisms in 1830s for children born to Michael Gorman & Mary (her surname is difficult to decipher as well).

Tks again.

Hermy · 02-11-2020 7:53pm

Mick Tator wrote: »

‘of Mich. Tiernan and Mary Tiernan.’ ??

I think you might be right - first letter's a T rather than a G.

spurious · 02-11-2020 9:16pm

I thought the father was Geeran.

montgo · 03-11-2020 10:01am

Thanks spurious for your input. I was looking for a William Guerin (many spelling variations) born c1824 so was hoping that this could be his baptism. I'll note it as a possibility.
Thanks all for your assistance.

VirginiaB · 05-11-2020 6:17pm

Hello everyone, Can anyone figure out the last name of the male witness to this marriage? Marriage is Martin Herrick to Ann Morris, parish of Eglish, Co Kings/Offaly on 6 February 1834. It looks like Jas. ??? Right side of image, about a third of the way down the page. Thanks.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635152#page/10/mode/1up

Hermy · 05-11-2020 6:42pm

Looks to me like James K___y or R___y so maybe Kenny?

Mick Tator · 05-11-2020 6:48pm

Rainy? I believe the initial letter is an R

Deja Boo · 05-11-2020 6:49pm

similar to a few below ? Riley ?

similar to the one above ? Kennedy ?

BowWow · 05-11-2020 10:43pm

My initial thought was Neary, but would agree that first letter is "R".

New Home · 06-11-2020 1:01am

I think that's a K. There's a name a couple of lines above that that looks like Kennedy, plus there are two capital Rs at the top of the page on the right hand side. If it's an R, it looks a lot different to the capital Ps in the page - usually people's Ps and Rs are quite similar. Also, fourth from the bottom there's a Denis Roach (unless I'm mistaken).

VirginiaB · 06-11-2020 3:38pm

Thanks everyone. Good observations but still a bit of a mystery. I appreciate your input.

louis346789 · 07-11-2020 6:51pm

Hi Hermy
Thank you. I have added the link.
Louis

pinkypinky · 08-11-2020 7:05pm

Guys - lot of speculation here. Please keep this thread for just handwriting help.
If you want us to split off for further discussion, just ask me or Hermy.

New Home · 08-11-2020 7:20pm

Sorry pinkypinky.

stutoken · 12-11-2020 2:01pm

Hi everyone,

Have spent the past few weeks researching ancestors and currently struggling with a RC mariage record. Have found the threads in the Genealogy section very helpful in guiding me on my initial searches so thanks for all the useful information and I hope to get invlved with the forum as my seach continues as I have found it very interesting so far.

I am looking at entry 768 for John Christley / Chritchley and Anne Dunne married in Balbriggan 16th July 1877 -

*I tried to post link to NLI site but not permitted as I am new used*

This leg of family tree has been one of the more difficult to trace due to the variations in the spelling of the name Christley. I've found documents with at least 5 different variations of surname spelling for just the one person.

From civil record of this marriage the fathers' names are listed as Robert 'Critchley' and John Dunne.
The 1901 census return for John and Anne Christly have John's birthplace listed as Co. Meath.

Can anyone make out the names recorded for parents on the church marriage record and the home place for Robert Chritchley. It looks like 'oyne' at end of placename so I'm currently checking for palcenames with that ending in Co.Meath and have found Dunboyne, Kilboyne and Balrathboyne.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

ath262 · 12-11-2020 2:16pm

NLI link for the above marriage - see entry 768

could the grooms parents residence be Skryne (County Meath) ?

ath262 · 12-11-2020 2:19pm

bride's mother Christina Fagan ? not sure about his now, theres some sort of writing before the ch

grooms mother's surname looks like Critchley or similar, firstname maybe Johanna ...

stutoken · 12-11-2020 2:58pm

Skryne looks like a good match. I'll check church records in that area if available later.
Fagan also looks right for bride's mother. Will give me another avenue to search.
When I started this a few weeks ago I got the bones of family tree pulled together with civil searches pretty quickly but didn't realise how much effort the church records would take to flesh it out fully.
Enjoying it though even if it does keep me up to all hours at night when I get drawn down a records rabbit hole.
Thanks for your help.

stutoken · 12-11-2020 3:17pm

Skryne is correct. Found John Christly's baptism record in 1843. Mother is listed as Jane Christly.

stutoken · 15-11-2020 3:12am

Hi,

Another placename I'm having difficuly with in Clane Parish, Co. Kildare

I'm looking at baptism record for Simon Dunne of Charles & Kitty Dunne dated 27 April 1834

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634561#page/19/mode/1up

Placename is Mount .........

Anyone any ideas?

Thanks

spurious · 15-11-2020 5:25am

Armstrong?

A New earth · 15-11-2020 12:23pm

Yes Mountarmstrong

https://www.townlands.ie/kildare/ikeathy-and-oughterany/mainham/balraheen/mountarmstrong/

stutoken · 15-11-2020 3:22pm

Thanks

Barney224 · 16-11-2020 2:52pm

Looking to confirm the profession of Charles Rodgers (father of John Rodgers) in the last section here. Is it Teacher?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11387/8181092.pdf

A New earth · 16-11-2020 3:07pm

I would guess Trader

ath262 · 16-11-2020 3:08pm

Barney224 wrote: »

Looking to confirm the profession of Charles Rodgers (father of John Rodgers) in the last section here. Is it Teacher?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11387/8181092.pdf

looks like Trader to me

New Home · 16-11-2020 8:40pm

It's a coin toss between teacher and trader, to me.

Hermy · 16-11-2020 9:56pm

For me it's trader.

spurious · 17-11-2020 1:31am

Trader here too.
I have more commonly seen teacher with some sort of qualifier, like 'school teacher' or 'national teacher'.

Barney224 · 17-11-2020 9:33am

Thanks for info. Is Trader not a bit vague? Was it normal to have a job title of Trader in those days? What would a trader have done?

Mick Tator · 17-11-2020 4:36pm

Barney224 wrote: »

Thanks for info. Is Trader not a bit vague? Was it normal to have a job title of Trader in those days? What would a trader have done?

I’ve always understood that by the Victorian era there was a 'hierarchy' which was roughly applied –

Hawker............. sold goods from a basket or tray while 'on the move'.
Costermonger ....sold goods (mainly fruit) from a barrow or stall.
Fishmonger.........sold fish as above
Trader...............sold goods from a fixed stall or stand.
Shopkeeper........sold from a leased or owned retail premises
Merchant...........large retailer/wholesaler with sizable premises and operation.

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