Waterford Airport.

hardybuck · 24-11-2015 3:18pm

dzilla wrote: »

Don't know him personally but always felt he did great work as the Airport CEO.

He now has a position of great influence...

dzilla · 24-11-2015 3:22pm

hardybuck wrote: »

He now has a position of great influence...

He was kind of working with his hand tied behind his back I suppose considering runway length. Flybe where a massive coup to get them in when he did. Big airline with big route network, would love to see them back but they have bigger fish to fry it would appear!

notharrypotter · 24-11-2015 5:54pm

hardybuck wrote: »

He now has a position of great influence...

parish pump policies, will we ever learn?

hardybuck · 24-11-2015 6:11pm

notharrypotter wrote: »

parish pump policies, will we ever learn?

Well this is not the politics forum, but how many people vote for their local candidate with a view to the national picture?

Also, the art of lobbying is massive in decision making. Waterford Airport and the huge number of different interest groups who need decision would be in to Government Depts. like Finance, DPER, Transport etc. looking to influence policy.

If you've someone who's already familiar and possibly positive towards your cause and from your area, you're lobbying effort might be a little easier.

dzilla · 25-11-2015 7:35pm

The way of the world

notharrypotter · 25-11-2015 8:06pm

hardybuck wrote: »

Well this is not the politics forum, but how many people vote for their local candidate with a view to the national picture?

Also, the art of lobbying is massive in decision making. Waterford Airport and the huge number of different interest groups who need decision would be in to Government Depts. like Finance, DPER, Transport etc. looking to influence policy.

If you've someone who's already familiar and possibly positive towards your cause and from your area, you're lobbying effort might be a little easier.

and

Secretary General for the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport

Are incompatible positions.

Granted lobying is to be expected from local politico's to the relevant minister.

The Secretary general of any department is supposed to put the big picture first.

They are not elected but are supposedly selected as the best person for the role.

If any senior civil servant started to give preferential treatment to one group then they should go.

They are there to represent ALL our interests and act as a break to some of our typical ministerial "pet projects".

hardybuck · 25-11-2015 10:41pm

notharrypotter wrote: »

and
Are incompatible positions.

Granted lobying is to be expected from local politico's to the relevant minister.

The Secretary general of any department is supposed to put the big picture first.

They are not elected but are supposedly selected as the best person for the role.

If any senior civil servant started to give preferential treatment to one group then they should go.

They are there to represent ALL our interests and act as a break to some of our typical ministerial "pet projects".

You'll find that senior civil servants are humans and have opinions.

Furthermore, ministerial 'pet projects', or Government Policy as it's sometimes called, will be presented to civil servants who then figure out the details.

tankbarry · 26-11-2015 12:58pm

26 MILLION NO MILLION. that's the only thing Graham Doyle will be remembered for

Plane Fan · 03-12-2015 12:14am

Are VLM going to expand for Summer 2016 does anybody know or will it remain at just LTN & BHX?

questionmark? · 08-12-2015 3:07pm

Plane Fan wrote: »

Are VLM going to expand for Summer 2016 does anybody know or will it remain at just LTN & BHX?

Building the sustainability of the current routes and then we may see Manchester back as it's the next obvious route.

hardybuck · 09-12-2015 2:01pm

I wonder what type of market research they conduct in determining what routes might be viable?

Along with practical issues specific to the business end of things, do they analyse what markets businesses in the area trade with or are part located? Do they try and establish what UK colleges students in the area go to? What football teams are big even!?

questionmark? · 10-12-2015 10:00pm

hardybuck wrote: »

I wonder what type of market research they conduct in determining what routes might be viable?

Along with practical issues specific to the business end of things, do they analyse what markets businesses in the area trade with or are part located? Do they try and establish what UK colleges students in the area go to? What football teams are big even!?

All of those and lots more. Luckily the current routes have history that they can base it on as well so even though they are new the routes are not.

JCX BXC · 16-12-2015 8:10pm

2481 pax in NOV for LTN
LF of 49%

809 pax in NOV for BHX
LF of 45%

Johnnyvegas2 · 23-12-2015 10:52pm

Great to see Waterford airport making the headlines with the waterford-airport-christmas-blaas

TheQuietFella · 30-12-2015 8:43pm

Johnnyvegas2 wrote: »

Great to see Waterford airport making the headlines with the waterford-airport-christmas-blaas

That's really going to pull in the passengers!

comeraghs · 31-12-2015 5:28pm

It was a fantastic way to get national media coverage & at a very low cost ................ & that's how you pull in customers!

questionmark? · 01-01-2016 12:18am

TheQuietFella wrote: »

That's really going to pull in the passengers!

So a story with a feel good factor and free advertising across multiple platforms will drive passengers away is it?

dzilla · 01-01-2016 3:08pm

TheQuietFella wrote: »

That's really going to pull in the passengers!

Not really, nice gesture none the less and a great way to get into media local and national.

How do you think they should be approaching a media drive to capture customers?

man98 · 01-01-2016 5:08pm

2 Saab 340 charters in over the coming days, SP-MRC operating for Sky Taxi. Pictures available on Waterford Aviation facebook page.

On a further note, this was discussed on one of these threads, but if you book via Skyscanner you generally save about 33% on the fare. Found a €129 fare when VLM were charging €184. Something to note, perhaps, for those who use the route.

Squidvicious · 04-01-2016 11:22am

Carnacalla wrote: »

2481 pax in NOV for LTN
LF of 49%

809 pax in NOV for BHX
LF of 45%

I assume that these volumes are hardly sufficient for VLM to continue their service? They're fairly small planes so a 45% load could mean in the region of 20/25 passengers. Surely that can't pay? I hope that these numbers improve as I love the service and would hate to lose it. For how long are VLM tied in to providing the flights, does anyone know?

man98 · 04-01-2016 1:33pm

Squidvicious wrote: »

I assume that these volumes are hardly sufficient for VLM to continue their service? They're fairly small planes so a 45% load could mean in the region of 20/25 passengers. Surely that can't pay? I hope that these numbers improve as I love the service and would hate to lose it. For how long are VLM tied in to providing the flights, does anyone know?

They can leave in the morning if they like. Given that passengers are paying high fares, VLM are probably managing to make a slight loss off this route in the wintertime. This is to be expected. Other higher end airlines such as Cityjet charge (generally) lower fares and operate 40% loads on average in the winter so 49% isn't really something to be worried about, as it'd be profitable in the summer.

Squidvicious · 05-01-2016 9:45am

man98 wrote: »

They can leave in the morning if they like. Given that passengers are paying high fares, VLM are probably managing to make a slight loss off this route in the wintertime. This is to be expected. Other higher end airlines such as Cityjet charge (generally) lower fares and operate 40% loads on average in the winter so 49% isn't really something to be worried about, as it'd be profitable in the summer.

I'm glad to hear that. I only travel to the UK a couple of times a year, but it's so good to know that we have such a convenient service on our doorstep. I would always try to fly from Waterford when I can.

Dum_Dum · 12-01-2016 4:42pm

It would be nice if the VLM website offered TLS/SSL (encryption) for credit card bookings.

dzilla · 13-01-2016 10:35am

Dum_Dum wrote: »

It would be nice if the VLM website offered TLS/SSL (encryption) for credit card bookings.

Yes unfortunately quite and old feel to the website.

questionmark? · 28-01-2016 8:12pm

Any idea of how the route did over Dec and into the new year?

b757 · 28-01-2016 9:06pm

questionmark? wrote: »

Any idea of how the route did over Dec and into the new year?

LTN 1740
BHX 824

No idea of LF as a number of flights didn't operate due to weather.

--

Tonight's Luton VLM417 (OO-VLI) had to turn around just before the coast of Wexford and routed back to Waterford. Still on the ground. Tonight's LTN-WAT cancelled as a result.

questionmark? · 29-01-2016 12:19am

b757 wrote: »

LTN 1740
BHX 824

No idea of LF as a number of flights didn't operate due to weather.

--

Tonight's Luton VLM417 (OO-VLI) had to turn around just before the coast of Wexford and routed back to Waterford. Still on the ground. Tonight's LTN-WAT cancelled as a result.

Cheers for that.

Any idea why it turned back? Weather or tech issue?

Jamie2k9 · 29-01-2016 1:23am

A rouge guide to flights that were scheduled for the month would give a load around 50%. The cancellations may have impacted actual numbers so in normal conditions it may be higher.

questionmark? · 26-02-2016 9:57pm

Waterford to Luton 1651. Waterford to Birmingham 545 in 2016 this figure was 1357 for Birmingham in 2015.

Didn't work out Load Factors as don't know how many flights actually ran with the dodgy weather we had in January.

b757 · 26-02-2016 10:15pm

questionmark? wrote: »

Waterford to Luton 1651. Waterford to Birmingham 545 in 2016 this figure was 1357 for Birmingham in 2015.

Didn't work out Load Factors as don't know how many flights actually ran with the dodgy weather we had in January.

47% LTN
30% BHX

Assuming every flight operated which wasn't the case.

BHX figure for 2015 was greater due to no LTN and Flybe operating a 78 seat aircraft on a established route in which they built up their customer base.

questionmark? · 26-02-2016 10:23pm

b757 wrote: »

47% LTN
30% BHX

Assuming every flight operated which wasn't the case.

BHX figure for 2015 was greater due to no LTN and Flybe operating a 78 seat aircraft on a established route in which they built up their customer base.

You'd have to hope some of the Birmingham flight didn't run as that figure is quite worrying other wise.

I'm aware Flybe was more established but would still expect VLM to be getting closer than basically third of the numbers.

JCX BXC · 27-02-2016 11:49am

questionmark? wrote: »

You'd have to hope some of the Birmingham flight didn't run as that figure is quite worrying other wise.

I'm aware Flybe was more established but would still expect VLM to be getting closer than basically third of the numbers.

VLM are a very different airline to Flybe upon examination. VLM charge high fares for a high quality service and can often break even on low loads (thanks to high yield), although I'm not sure that's quite as low as 30%.

questionmark? · 16-03-2016 9:09pm

February figures. Luton to Waterford 1967 Birmingham to Waterford 665. Slightly up on last month. This Spring and Summer will make or break the route so keep supporting your local airport. Unsure of number of flights so didn't work out loads.

Dunmoreroader · 17-03-2016 11:54am

questionmark? wrote: »

February figures. Luton to Waterford 1967 Birmingham to Waterford 665. Slightly up on last month. This Spring and Summer will make or break the route so keep supporting your local airport. Unsure of number of flights so didn't work out loads.

Recently had to fly to Brum from Dublin with Ryanair coz there was no midweek overnight option from Waterford. Very frustrating as I was prepared to pay the large price differential for the convenience of flying local and to support our local airport. Also it's not the pain in the hole it used be to get to Dublin Airport since the Newlands X flyover was opened. Also able to book Quickpark on the flight ticket, in and out just by waving a barcode at the barrier - easypeasy. I'd still rather go local in future but I can see why the target market throughout the Southeast might say f**k that for a game of soldiers.

dzilla · 17-03-2016 10:51pm

Used the service at the weekend. Very impressed as usual, comfort and convenience.

load was light on the plane on sunday but on friday was definitely 75% full.

dzilla · 24-03-2016 3:27pm

On a topical note, very happy with the services offered recently by the airport, are there any rumours/discussions regarding future routes? Maybe MAN? I know Flybes plans at London City went caput, I wonder would they consider coming back here. their loads where impressive.

JCX BXC · 14-04-2016 12:41pm

BHX cancelled from May 2nd.

Wanderer78 · 14-04-2016 12:55pm

Carnacalla wrote: »

BHX cancelled from May 2nd.

thats not good news

looksee · 14-04-2016 6:47pm

Just heard about that, we have used that flight numerous times in the past 12 months (mostly Bhx to Wat and return) it will be a great loss to the area.

Dum_Dum · 15-04-2016 2:01pm

looksee wrote: »

Just heard about that, we have used that flight numerous times in the past 12 months (mostly Bhx to Wat and return) it will be a great loss to the area.

Yeah, poor Brum. How will they cope?

Meanwhile, back in Prosperity Central, I've lost count of the gold-plated private jets using Waterford Airport. It's future is certain with that tiny runway serving local Waterford oligarchs - the Ryanair hater's were right all along. Waterford plebs don't deserve to fly anyway.

questionmark? · 15-04-2016 5:40pm

Dum_Dum wrote: »

Yeah, poor Brum. How will they cope?

Meanwhile, back in Prosperity Central, I've lost count of the gold-plated private jets using Waterford Airport. It's future is certain with that tiny runway serving local Waterford oligarchs - the Ryanair hater's were right all along. Waterford plebs don't deserve to fly anyway.

Helpful and well thought out post. Well done.

Now back to a Waterford Airport discussion for the rest of us.

O Riain · 16-04-2016 8:27am

questionmark? wrote: »

Helpful and well thought out post. Well done.

Now back to a Waterford Airport discussion for the rest of us.

He's right (I think)! Everybody always hailed Waterford airport for resisting Ryanair. For all their faults, it seems to me that the airport's with Ryanair are doing quiet well and we are doing.... Well we are not doing at all.

To not have the biggest airline in Europe flying out of our airport is something that beggars belief.

JCX BXC · 16-04-2016 8:32am

O Riain wrote: »

He's right (I think)! Everybody always hailed Waterford airport for resisting Ryanair. For all their faults, it seems to me that the airport's with Ryanair are doing quiet well and we are doing.... Well we are not doing at all.

To not have the biggest airline in Europe flying out of our airport is something that beggars belief.

You do realise, than Ryanair cannot actually fly to WAT, due to runway length?

Wanderer78 · 16-04-2016 2:13pm

Carnacalla wrote: »

You do realise, than Ryanair cannot actually fly to WAT, due to runway length?

am i right in saying that the new runway plans still cant accommodate ryanair?

O Riain · 16-04-2016 4:14pm

Carnacalla wrote: »

You do realise, than Ryanair cannot actually fly to WAT, due to runway length?

Suppose therein lies the problem, only way to get the money is from the government and they would rather deliver a 15th runway to Dublin before they would give an extension to Waterford. I'm just frustrated and a lot of people on here were always harping on about how good it was not to have Ryanair here when, in fact, it is anything but good.

JCX BXC · 16-04-2016 5:26pm

O Riain wrote: »

Suppose therein lies the problem, only way to get the money is from the government and they would rather deliver a 15th runway to Dublin before they would give an extension to Waterford. I'm just frustrated and a lot of people on here were always harping on about how good it was not to have Ryanair here when, in fact, it is anything but good.

The goverment aren't funding Dublin's Runway, the DAA is funding it itself.

I'm also not sure if Ryanair is anything good. Its one thing getting a service, its another thing keeping it.

O Riain · 17-04-2016 8:01am

Carnacalla wrote: »

The goverment aren't funding Dublin's Runway, the DAA is funding it itself.

I'm also not sure if Ryanair is anything good. Its one thing getting a service, its another thing keeping it.

Kerry and knock still seem to have their services..

fuzzy dunlop · 17-04-2016 9:41am

Carnacalla wrote: »

The goverment aren't funding Dublin's Runway, the DAA is funding it itself.

I'm also not sure if Ryanair is anything good. Its one thing getting a service, its another thing keeping it.

The government funded T2. This was a major capital investment. The airport itself was a state funded enterprise to begin with.

JCX BXC · 17-04-2016 9:51am

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

The government funded T2. This was a major capital investment. The airport itself was a state funded enterprise to begin with.

"To begin with"

fuzzy dunlop · 17-04-2016 9:54am

Carnacalla wrote: »

"To begin with"

It doesn't matter. To begin with you could have funded an airport anywhere and it would eventually break even if there was no competition allowed.

Waterford Airport.

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