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Waterford Airport.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    dzilla wrote: »
    Don't know him personally but always felt he did great work as the Airport CEO.

    He now has a position of great influence...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭dzilla


    hardybuck wrote: »
    He now has a position of great influence...

    He was kind of working with his hand tied behind his back I suppose considering runway length. Flybe where a massive coup to get them in when he did. Big airline with big route network, would love to see them back but they have bigger fish to fry it would appear!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭notharrypotter


    hardybuck wrote: »
    He now has a position of great influence...
    parish pump policies, will we ever learn?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    parish pump policies, will we ever learn?

    Well this is not the politics forum, but how many people vote for their local candidate with a view to the national picture?

    Also, the art of lobbying is massive in decision making. Waterford Airport and the huge number of different interest groups who need decision would be in to Government Depts. like Finance, DPER, Transport etc. looking to influence policy.

    If you've someone who's already familiar and possibly positive towards your cause and from your area, you're lobbying effort might be a little easier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭dzilla


    The way of the world


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭notharrypotter


    hardybuck wrote: »
    Well this is not the politics forum, but how many people vote for their local candidate with a view to the national picture?

    Also, the art of lobbying is massive in decision making. Waterford Airport and the huge number of different interest groups who need decision would be in to Government Depts. like Finance, DPER, Transport etc. looking to influence policy.

    If you've someone who's already familiar and possibly positive towards your cause and from your area, you're lobbying effort might be a little easier.

    and
    Secretary General for the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport
    Are incompatible positions.

    Granted lobying is to be expected from local politico's to the relevant minister.

    The Secretary general of any department is supposed to put the big picture first.

    They are not elected but are supposedly selected as the best person for the role.

    If any senior civil servant started to give preferential treatment to one group then they should go.

    They are there to represent ALL our interests and act as a break to some of our typical ministerial "pet projects".


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    and
    Are incompatible positions.

    Granted lobying is to be expected from local politico's to the relevant minister.

    The Secretary general of any department is supposed to put the big picture first.

    They are not elected but are supposedly selected as the best person for the role.

    If any senior civil servant started to give preferential treatment to one group then they should go.

    They are there to represent ALL our interests and act as a break to some of our typical ministerial "pet projects".

    You'll find that senior civil servants are humans and have opinions.

    Furthermore, ministerial 'pet projects', or Government Policy as it's sometimes called, will be presented to civil servants who then figure out the details.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 499 ✭✭tankbarry


    26 MILLION NO MILLION. that's the only thing Graham Doyle will be remembered for


  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Plane Fan


    Are VLM going to expand for Summer 2016 does anybody know or will it remain at just LTN & BHX?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    Plane Fan wrote: »
    Are VLM going to expand for Summer 2016 does anybody know or will it remain at just LTN & BHX?

    Building the sustainability of the current routes and then we may see Manchester back as it's the next obvious route.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    I wonder what type of market research they conduct in determining what routes might be viable?

    Along with practical issues specific to the business end of things, do they analyse what markets businesses in the area trade with or are part located? Do they try and establish what UK colleges students in the area go to? What football teams are big even!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    hardybuck wrote: »
    I wonder what type of market research they conduct in determining what routes might be viable?

    Along with practical issues specific to the business end of things, do they analyse what markets businesses in the area trade with or are part located? Do they try and establish what UK colleges students in the area go to? What football teams are big even!?

    All of those and lots more. Luckily the current routes have history that they can base it on as well so even though they are new the routes are not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,228 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    2481 pax in NOV for LTN
    LF of 49%

    809 pax in NOV for BHX
    LF of 45%


  • Registered Users Posts: 10 Johnnyvegas2


    Great to see Waterford airport making the headlines with the waterford-airport-christmas-blaas :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    Great to see Waterford airport making the headlines with the waterford-airport-christmas-blaas :)

    That's really going to pull in the passengers!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭comeraghs


    It was a fantastic way to get national media coverage & at a very low cost ................ & that's how you pull in customers!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    That's really going to pull in the passengers!

    So a story with a feel good factor and free advertising across multiple platforms will drive passengers away is it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭dzilla


    That's really going to pull in the passengers!

    Not really, nice gesture none the less and a great way to get into media local and national.

    How do you think they should be approaching a media drive to capture customers?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭man98


    2 Saab 340 charters in over the coming days, SP-MRC operating for Sky Taxi. Pictures available on Waterford Aviation facebook page.

    On a further note, this was discussed on one of these threads, but if you book via Skyscanner you generally save about 33% on the fare. Found a €129 fare when VLM were charging €184. Something to note, perhaps, for those who use the route.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Squidvicious


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    2481 pax in NOV for LTN
    LF of 49%

    809 pax in NOV for BHX
    LF of 45%

    I assume that these volumes are hardly sufficient for VLM to continue their service? They're fairly small planes so a 45% load could mean in the region of 20/25 passengers. Surely that can't pay? I hope that these numbers improve as I love the service and would hate to lose it. For how long are VLM tied in to providing the flights, does anyone know?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭man98


    I assume that these volumes are hardly sufficient for VLM to continue their service? They're fairly small planes so a 45% load could mean in the region of 20/25 passengers. Surely that can't pay? I hope that these numbers improve as I love the service and would hate to lose it. For how long are VLM tied in to providing the flights, does anyone know?

    They can leave in the morning if they like. Given that passengers are paying high fares, VLM are probably managing to make a slight loss off this route in the wintertime. This is to be expected. Other higher end airlines such as Cityjet charge (generally) lower fares and operate 40% loads on average in the winter so 49% isn't really something to be worried about, as it'd be profitable in the summer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭Squidvicious


    man98 wrote: »
    They can leave in the morning if they like. Given that passengers are paying high fares, VLM are probably managing to make a slight loss off this route in the wintertime. This is to be expected. Other higher end airlines such as Cityjet charge (generally) lower fares and operate 40% loads on average in the winter so 49% isn't really something to be worried about, as it'd be profitable in the summer.

    I'm glad to hear that. I only travel to the UK a couple of times a year, but it's so good to know that we have such a convenient service on our doorstep. I would always try to fly from Waterford when I can.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Dum_Dum


    It would be nice if the VLM website offered TLS/SSL (encryption) for credit card bookings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭dzilla


    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    It would be nice if the VLM website offered TLS/SSL (encryption) for credit card bookings.

    Yes unfortunately quite and old feel to the website.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    Any idea of how the route did over Dec and into the new year?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,370 ✭✭✭b757


    Any idea of how the route did over Dec and into the new year?

    LTN 1740
    BHX 824

    No idea of LF as a number of flights didn't operate due to weather.

    --

    Tonight's Luton VLM417 (OO-VLI) had to turn around just before the coast of Wexford and routed back to Waterford. Still on the ground. Tonight's LTN-WAT cancelled as a result.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    b757 wrote: »
    LTN 1740
    BHX 824

    No idea of LF as a number of flights didn't operate due to weather.

    --

    Tonight's Luton VLM417 (OO-VLI) had to turn around just before the coast of Wexford and routed back to Waterford. Still on the ground. Tonight's LTN-WAT cancelled as a result.

    Cheers for that.

    Any idea why it turned back? Weather or tech issue?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    A rouge guide to flights that were scheduled for the month would give a load around 50%. The cancellations may have impacted actual numbers so in normal conditions it may be higher.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    Waterford to Luton 1651. Waterford to Birmingham 545 in 2016 this figure was 1357 for Birmingham in 2015.

    Didn't work out Load Factors as don't know how many flights actually ran with the dodgy weather we had in January.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,370 ✭✭✭b757


    Waterford to Luton 1651. Waterford to Birmingham 545 in 2016 this figure was 1357 for Birmingham in 2015.

    Didn't work out Load Factors as don't know how many flights actually ran with the dodgy weather we had in January.

    47% LTN
    30% BHX

    Assuming every flight operated which wasn't the case.

    BHX figure for 2015 was greater due to no LTN and Flybe operating a 78 seat aircraft on a established route in which they built up their customer base.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    b757 wrote: »
    47% LTN
    30% BHX

    Assuming every flight operated which wasn't the case.

    BHX figure for 2015 was greater due to no LTN and Flybe operating a 78 seat aircraft on a established route in which they built up their customer base.

    You'd have to hope some of the Birmingham flight didn't run as that figure is quite worrying other wise.

    I'm aware Flybe was more established but would still expect VLM to be getting closer than basically third of the numbers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,228 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    You'd have to hope some of the Birmingham flight didn't run as that figure is quite worrying other wise.

    I'm aware Flybe was more established but would still expect VLM to be getting closer than basically third of the numbers.

    VLM are a very different airline to Flybe upon examination. VLM charge high fares for a high quality service and can often break even on low loads (thanks to high yield), although I'm not sure that's quite as low as 30%.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    February figures. Luton to Waterford 1967 Birmingham to Waterford 665. Slightly up on last month. This Spring and Summer will make or break the route so keep supporting your local airport. Unsure of number of flights so didn't work out loads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭Dunmoreroader


    February figures. Luton to Waterford 1967 Birmingham to Waterford 665. Slightly up on last month. This Spring and Summer will make or break the route so keep supporting your local airport. Unsure of number of flights so didn't work out loads.
    Recently had to fly to Brum from Dublin with Ryanair coz there was no midweek overnight option from Waterford. Very frustrating as I was prepared to pay the large price differential for the convenience of flying local and to support our local airport. Also it's not the pain in the hole it used be to get to Dublin Airport since the Newlands X flyover was opened. Also able to book Quickpark on the flight ticket, in and out just by waving a barcode at the barrier - easypeasy. I'd still rather go local in future but I can see why the target market throughout the Southeast might say f**k that for a game of soldiers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭dzilla


    Used the service at the weekend. Very impressed as usual, comfort and convenience.

    load was light on the plane on sunday but on friday was definitely 75% full.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭dzilla


    On a topical note, very happy with the services offered recently by the airport, are there any rumours/discussions regarding future routes? Maybe MAN? I know Flybes plans at London City went caput, I wonder would they consider coming back here. their loads where impressive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,228 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    BHX cancelled from May 2nd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,903 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    BHX cancelled from May 2nd.

    thats not good news


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,782 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Just heard about that, we have used that flight numerous times in the past 12 months (mostly Bhx to Wat and return) it will be a great loss to the area.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Dum_Dum


    looksee wrote: »
    Just heard about that, we have used that flight numerous times in the past 12 months (mostly Bhx to Wat and return) it will be a great loss to the area.

    Yeah, poor Brum. How will they cope?

    Meanwhile, back in Prosperity Central, I've lost count of the gold-plated private jets using Waterford Airport. It's future is certain with that tiny runway serving local Waterford oligarchs - the Ryanair hater's were right all along. Waterford plebs don't deserve to fly anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,075 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    Yeah, poor Brum. How will they cope?

    Meanwhile, back in Prosperity Central, I've lost count of the gold-plated private jets using Waterford Airport. It's future is certain with that tiny runway serving local Waterford oligarchs - the Ryanair hater's were right all along. Waterford plebs don't deserve to fly anyway.

    Helpful and well thought out post. Well done.

    Now back to a Waterford Airport discussion for the rest of us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    Helpful and well thought out post. Well done.

    Now back to a Waterford Airport discussion for the rest of us.

    He's right (I think)! Everybody always hailed Waterford airport for resisting Ryanair. For all their faults, it seems to me that the airport's with Ryanair are doing quiet well and we are doing.... Well we are not doing at all.

    To not have the biggest airline in Europe flying out of our airport is something that beggars belief.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,228 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    O Riain wrote: »
    He's right (I think)! Everybody always hailed Waterford airport for resisting Ryanair. For all their faults, it seems to me that the airport's with Ryanair are doing quiet well and we are doing.... Well we are not doing at all.

    To not have the biggest airline in Europe flying out of our airport is something that beggars belief.

    You do realise, than Ryanair cannot actually fly to WAT, due to runway length?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,903 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    You do realise, than Ryanair cannot actually fly to WAT, due to runway length?

    am i right in saying that the new runway plans still cant accommodate ryanair?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    You do realise, than Ryanair cannot actually fly to WAT, due to runway length?

    Suppose therein lies the problem, only way to get the money is from the government and they would rather deliver a 15th runway to Dublin before they would give an extension to Waterford. I'm just frustrated and a lot of people on here were always harping on about how good it was not to have Ryanair here when, in fact, it is anything but good.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,228 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    O Riain wrote: »
    Suppose therein lies the problem, only way to get the money is from the government and they would rather deliver a 15th runway to Dublin before they would give an extension to Waterford. I'm just frustrated and a lot of people on here were always harping on about how good it was not to have Ryanair here when, in fact, it is anything but good.

    The goverment aren't funding Dublin's Runway, the DAA is funding it itself.

    I'm also not sure if Ryanair is anything good. Its one thing getting a service, its another thing keeping it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    The goverment aren't funding Dublin's Runway, the DAA is funding it itself.

    I'm also not sure if Ryanair is anything good. Its one thing getting a service, its another thing keeping it.

    Kerry and knock still seem to have their services..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    The goverment aren't funding Dublin's Runway, the DAA is funding it itself.

    I'm also not sure if Ryanair is anything good. Its one thing getting a service, its another thing keeping it.


    The government funded T2. This was a major capital investment. The airport itself was a state funded enterprise to begin with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,228 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    The government funded T2. This was a major capital investment. The airport itself was a state funded enterprise to begin with.

    "To begin with"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭fuzzy dunlop


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    "To begin with"


    It doesn't matter. To begin with you could have funded an airport anywhere and it would eventually break even if there was no competition allowed.


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