Shannon radar down again.

ecowise · 22-11-2019 1:02am

Spot the difference, same organization, same day, same time, different radar:

Danno · 22-11-2019 1:48am

Comhra wrote: »

Probably left up to keep the Boards crowd from moaning and griping.....:)

Worth every moan and gripe

Gaoth Laidir · 22-11-2019 1:55am

Villain wrote: »

... the lack of communication is very frustrating...

While the radar is a mess, to be fair there is no lack of communication. Their website says that it would be out until at least the 3rd week in November at the earliest and that any updates would be posted there. There are obviously no updates yet.

Rougies · 22-11-2019 3:11am

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

While the radar is a mess, to be fair there is no lack of communication. Their website says that it would be out until at least the 3rd week in November at the earliest and that any updates would be posted there. There are obviously no updates yet.

The frustrating lack of communication is regarding the radar network upgrade plans.

"Met Éireann has already commenced planning for a major programme to expand and modernise the Irish weather radar network."

That's all we have from them.

Discodog · 22-11-2019 8:48am

Rougies wrote: »

The frustrating lack of communication is regarding the radar network upgrade plans.

That's all we have from them.

They said that years ago. Regarding our "moans & gripes". For some the radar is a luxury, a little extra. For others it's a daily essential that can effect how much we earn.

Villain · 22-11-2019 8:51am

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

While the radar is a mess, to be fair there is no lack of communication. Their website says that it would be out until at least the 3rd week in November at the earliest and that any updates would be posted there. There are obviously no updates yet.

I mean an update that says what the ongoing issues are, this isn't the first time it has been down and if as suspected that it is due to old hardware that parts are hard to secure or what is the issue.

Also what the plans are for a new radar with some timelines, my FOI request is to the department to see if there is any detail on funds being allocated and any potential issues that may delay it.

The_Outsider · 22-11-2019 12:26pm

Great to see it back!

I really hope that plans for a permanent replacement and upgrade of the network are being executed.
I look forward to reading the details.

spookwoman · 22-11-2019 1:55pm

Can nearly hear the muttering of now f*ck off and stop complaining under the breath as the tweet went out
Tweet at 10.15 Attn: All Shannon Radar Users
The radar is now working under normal scheduling as before and available online at http://met.ie since 09:45 Z this morning.

SlowBlowin · 22-11-2019 2:05pm

Anyone running a book as to when it goes down next ?

Based on the past performance, my money would be down again before Christmas, lets hope not.

Danno · 22-11-2019 11:15pm

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Anyone running a book as to when it goes down next ?

Based on the past performance, my money would be down again before Christmas, lets hope not.

Don't jynx it!

highdef · 23-11-2019 12:34am

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Anyone running a book as to when it goes down next ?

Based on the past performance, my money would be down again before Christmas, lets hope not.

Just as a deep low pressure approaches from the south whilst we are several days in to a deep easterly in early January with a screaming northerly trying its best to push back the impending blizzard but to no avail.

spookwoman · 23-11-2019 12:43am

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Anyone running a book as to when it goes down next ?

Based on the past performance, my money would be down again before Christmas, lets hope not.

Hasn't been raining over in Shannon today so lets see what happens when the next heavey rain front moves over it

Carol25 · 24-11-2019 3:33pm

From looking at the Met Éireann app a few minutes ago, it appears the Shannon radar could be back online? Fingers crossed it stays working now for awhile...

JCX BXC · 24-11-2019 3:55pm

Carol25 wrote: »

From looking at the Met Éireann app a few minutes ago, it appears the Shannon radar could be back online? Fingers crossed it stays working now for awhile...

It is, and has been discussed in the posts immediately previous to yours.

Carol25 · 24-11-2019 4:11pm

JCX BXC wrote: »

It is, and has been discussed in the posts immediately previous to yours.

Whoops, apologies. Thanks!

spookwoman · 27-11-2019 11:11pm

One to watch at midnight

https://twitter.com/thejournal_ie/status/1199812238984515587?s=20

Harry Palmr · 27-11-2019 11:15pm

So plenty have been following this thread!

spookwoman · 27-11-2019 11:16pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

So plenty have been following this thread!

Met also getting asked questions on twitter as well.

irishgeo · 28-11-2019 1:12am

Power failures and overheating cause long-term outages at Ireland's 'most important' weather radar https://jrnl.ie/4908856

Live now. A few FOI requests to get the real picture.

spookwoman · 28-11-2019 1:14am

irishgeo wrote: »

Power failures and overheating cause long-term outages at Ireland's 'most important' weather radar https://jrnl.ie/4908856

Live now. A few FOI requests to get the real picture.

What a joke

Discodog · 28-11-2019 8:38am

irishgeo wrote: »

Power failures and overheating cause long-term outages at Ireland's 'most important' weather radar https://jrnl.ie/4908856

Live now. A few FOI requests to get the real picture.

The relevant paragraph:

In a statement during the outages, Met Éireann apologised to those in affected counties for the loss of coverage.

It also said that it is planning a major programme to expand and modernise Ireland’s weather radar network, which it expects to meet the country’s needs to 2040.

However, it is not yet known when these upgrades will take place.

Joe Public · 28-11-2019 2:53pm

Discodog wrote: »

The relevant paragraph:

In a statement during the outages, Met Éireann apologised to those in affected counties for the loss of coverage.

It also said that it is planning a major programme to expand and modernise Ireland’s weather radar network, which it expects to meet the country’s needs to 2040.

However, it is not yet known when these upgrades will take place.

It's easy to plan, I'm planning on redecorating the house for the last 10 years.

Discodog · 28-11-2019 4:11pm

Joe Public wrote: »

It's easy to plan, I'm planning on redecorating the house for the last 10 years.

Apparently they were planning seven years ago. This planning takes a long time.

Comhrá · 28-11-2019 6:21pm

It also said that it is planning a major programme to expand and modernise Ireland’s weather radar network, which it expects to meet the country’s needs to 2040.

However, it is not yet known when these upgrades will take place.

Probably sometime in the late 2030's I'd imagine. . . .at a cost of around treble the original estimate.

Villain · 29-11-2019 9:08am

TD Timmy Dooley PQ got a reply.

Mortelaro · 29-11-2019 11:11am

How come met Éireann has to go through a procurement process for equipment
Yet the Oireachtas can get the worlds best printing press asap...

Hotblack Desiato · 29-11-2019 12:17pm

The Oireachtas went through a procurment process too. The printing press wasn't the problem.

talkabout · 29-11-2019 8:04pm

I see Met Eireann just published a PIN Notice

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/157878/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

Joe Public · 29-11-2019 9:11pm

talkabout wrote: »

I see Met Eireann just published a PIN Notice

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/157878/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

One big problem about etenders is that the job often goes to a big bureaucratic organisation who are good at responding to tenders with little emphasis on checking out their previous work. Hopefully the experienced Met people in Met eireann will have have a major say in who gets the job rather than just leaving it to the accountants.

arccosh · 29-11-2019 9:11pm

Taking 365 days in a year (some use 366) for 2018
304 days for 2019
They probably take away routine maintenance also, say circa 3 days, plus even a mid year check of 1 day

2018- average 98.93% Avail .... circa 4 days downtime (7 days with maint)
2019- average 92.71% Avail .... circa 24 days downtime (28 days with maint)

Danno · 30-11-2019 1:18am

Villain wrote: »

TD Timmy Dooley PQ got a reply.

Well colour me beautiful - we're getting five dual-polarisation radars.

Now let me guess the locations for the additional three...

Cork Apt or Farranfore Apt
Knock Apt or Finner Camp AWS or Donegal Apt.
Waterford Apt

Dublin and Shannon to get upgrades.

I've highlighted my three guesses in bold.

ecowise · 30-11-2019 1:41am

talkabout wrote: »

I see Met Eireann just published a PIN Notice

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/157878/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

The PIN notice did not specify the band but I expect they are implying C band. I would really like to see at least one S band system somewhere the West - possibly Valentia or Belmullet. They need to include a quality of service agreement with a target uptime of ~99% (including servicing) with financial penalties if not met.

Wanderer78 · 30-11-2019 6:18am

Danno wrote: »

Well colour me beautiful - we're getting five dual-polarisation radars.

Now let me guess the locations for the additional three...

Cork Apt or Farranfore Apt
Knock Apt or Finner Camp AWS or Donegal Apt.
Waterford Apt

Dublin and Shannon to get upgrades.

I've highlighted my three guesses in bold.

Well hopefully, as I'm a stones throw from one of them

Gaoth Laidir · 30-11-2019 11:03am

Radars don't need to be located at current stations. They can be anywhere. That opens up a lot more possible locations, unless we get the usual nimbysm like we have with the wind farms. But from that list, certainly Waterford and Donegal Airports are most needed. Others would be south Kerry/west Cork, Belmullet/Mace Head and somewhere like Mullingar.

ecowise · 30-11-2019 1:11pm

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Radars don't need to be located at current stations. They can be anywhere. That opens up a lot more possible locations, unless we get the usual nimbysm like we have with the wind farms. But from that list, certainly Waterford and Donegal Airports are most needed. Others would be south Kerry/west Cork, Belmullet/Mace Head and somewhere like Mullingar.

I suspect they are counting on the radar systems in Wales and Cornwall to cover the SE. Coastal locations west of Cork and south of Donegal would seem to be the most attractive in terms of maximum range. After that it is down to spacing between them (assuming there will be more than one), proximity to service personnel, good road access, terrain type (avoiding mountains is hard in the inland direction!) and availability of a good (3 phase?) power supply.

Rougies · 30-11-2019 3:31pm

ecowise wrote: »

I suspect they are counting on the radar systems in Wales and Cornwall to cover the SE. Coastal locations west of Cork and south of Donegal would seem to be the most attractive in terms of maximum range. After that it is down to spacing between them (assuming there will be more than one), proximity to service personnel, good road access, terrain type (avoiding mountains is hard in the inland direction!) and availability of a good (3 phase?) power supply.

The Welsh radar doesn't give good coverage for the SE and the Cornwall one is way out of range.

SeedySam22 · 30-11-2019 7:41pm

All things being equal for any site the 1st preference should be height. We don't want our precious radars being knee deep in water.

ecowise · 30-11-2019 7:55pm

Rougies wrote: »

The Welsh radar doesn't give good coverage for the SE and the Cornwall one is way out of range.

Sorry for not making myself clearer. By SE I meant for observing rain systems coming from the SE. I think both Wales & Cornwall are very useful for this. Likewise on the SW & W coasts we want to see systems as early as possible before they make landfall.

JCX BXC · 30-11-2019 10:33pm

SeedySam22 wrote: »

All things being equal for any site the 1st preference should be height. We don't want our precious radars being knee deep in water.

I'm not sure I understand you, why would a radar be placed somewhere liable to being knee deep in water?

Harry Palmr · 01-12-2019 11:34pm

It would be nice for the SE to get some decent coverage - even the full fat weather stations are rare down here.

ecowise · 02-12-2019 12:32pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It would be nice for the SE to get some decent coverage - even the full fat weather stations are rare down here.

If they are going to deploy another 3 C-band radars in addition to Dublin and Shannon then I would include the SE. One in Belmullet, one in Valentia and one in Waterford. My reasons for these locations are to get maximum additional coverage from easily serviceable sites. Other locations would also work but these seem reasonable. Any other suggestions?

ecowise · 02-12-2019 12:40pm

Useful interactive map for weather radar installations relevant to Europe:

http://radar.meteo.be/en/1682986-In+Europe.html

Discodog · 02-12-2019 2:47pm

The best guide to new locations may be to look for existing government owned sites.

SeedySam22 · 02-12-2019 10:06pm

JCX BXC wrote: »

I'm not sure I understand you, why would a radar be placed somewhere liable to being knee deep in water?

While both radars are high up in the airports they could have access closed off due to local flooding in relatively low lying land

spookwoman · 07-12-2019 7:43pm

Radar isn't looking too good in Shannon

ecowise · 07-12-2019 9:43pm

spookwoman wrote: »

Radar isn't looking too good in Shannon

It seems to be normal on met.ie and metoffice.gov.uk.

JCX BXC · 07-12-2019 10:45pm

The interference always seems more pronounced on netweather.

18-12-2019 12:08pm

Big storm coming in so, naturally, it's down again!

SleetAndSnow · 18-12-2019 12:10pm

171170 wrote: »

Big storm coming in so, naturally, it's down again!

It's not on netweather, seems to be on met.ie

18-12-2019 12:21pm

171170 wrote: »

Big storm coming in so, naturally, it's down again!

It's working again - alleluia!

Shannon radar down again.

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