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Nicetrustedcup · 01-08-2020 2:06pm

normanoffside wrote: »

You can get a test and travel clearance cert here for €160

https://www.tmb.ie/services/covid-19-travel-clearance-certificate

I am looking at that however I am in cork so I would need to go up to Dublin to get tested then come back down to cork and wait on the results !!!. I must give them a call Tusday and ask for more details

I am quite sorry my flight isn’t with Turkish airlines as you can get tested in the airport over there !!! And you pay I think 20 euros and a 2 hour turn around time !!!

I don’t really won’t to lie to my dr at all in regards to getttong a test. As I said I reather just pay for one somewhere

normanoffside · 01-08-2020 2:19pm

Nicetrustedcup wrote: »

I am looking at that however I am in cork so I would need to go up to Dublin to get tested then come back down to cork and wait on the results !!!. I must give them a call Tusday and ask for more details

I am quite sorry my flight isn’t with Turkish airlines as you can get tested in the airport over there !!! And you pay I think 20 euros and a 2 hour turn around time !!!

I don’t really won’t to lie to my dr at all in regards to getttong a test. As I said I reather just pay for one somewhere

They will send you out a self test kit. In order to issue a travel cert they just have to witness you (assume by video call) to make sure you are taking the swab correctly.

MickeyLeari · 01-08-2020 2:37pm

Nicetrustedcup wrote: »

I am looking at that however I am in cork so I would need to go up to Dublin to get tested then come back down to cork and wait on the results !!!. I must give them a call Tusday and ask for more details

I am quite sorry my flight isn’t with Turkish airlines as you can get tested in the airport over there !!! And you pay I think 20 euros and a 2 hour turn around time !!!

I don’t really won’t to lie to my dr at all in regards to getttong a test. As I said I reather just pay for one somewhere

What is the procedure with Turkish airlines? Is that done for transit passengers?

Gael23 · 01-08-2020 2:45pm

Hoping to travel to Italy in June 2021 but not booking for another few months p. Just to make sure it stays on the green list

Nicetrustedcup · 01-08-2020 2:55pm

MickeyLeari wrote: »

What is the procedure with Turkish airlines? Is that done for transit passengers?

https://onemileatatime.com/istanbul-airport-coronavirus-testing/

Here we go, and there is a video showing it

Even Munich airport has started COVID testing to,

We can’t even set up a temp check in Dublin never mind a COVID test center !!!

Plumbthedepths · 01-08-2020 2:55pm

Gael23 wrote: »

Hoping to travel to Italy in June 2021 but not booking for another few months p. Just to make sure it stays on the green list

Heading there on Monday. I have friends there. They take the precautions very seriously. You will get castigated by people for not observing SD/hand hygiene and particularly mask wearing and that's before a police officer gets involved. €1000 fine if not wearing a mask were required.

faceman · 01-08-2020 6:44pm

For anyone interested in why Spain is doing a great job despite the numbers, read this. Someone send it to the Irish government too!

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-28/what-spain-is-telling-us-about-second-wave-of-coronavirus

H8GHOTI · 01-08-2020 9:20pm

Nicetrustedcup wrote: »

I am looking at that however I am in cork so I would need to go up to Dublin to get tested then come back down to cork and wait on the results !!!....

Bon Secours Cork were thinking about running a service for companies that wanted to test their employees.

Don’t know if it went ahead. Don’t know the cost. Don’t know what kind of cert they would give. Don’t know if they would provide the service to individuals.

That’s a lot of don’t knows & it looks like this tmb crowd might sort you out. But if all else fails might be worth looking into.

Also, did you say October you are going? God knows what the situation will be like then and what regulations will be in place.

freak scence · 01-08-2020 9:47pm

faceman wrote: »

For anyone interested in why Spain is doing a great job despite the numbers, read this. Someone send it to the Irish government too!

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-28/what-spain-is-telling-us-about-second-wave-of-coronavirus

spain doing a great job me hole , that's the same as Trump liking his own tweet or fox news , get off the spain is doing great train we wear masks and is safer than Ireland bull . ****ing cock

JP Liz V1 · 01-08-2020 10:40pm

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/it-may-be-mean-spirited-but-hundreds-of-teens-should-not-be-heading-abroad-for-fun-in-the-sun-39415058.html

Wallander · 01-08-2020 10:48pm

freak scence wrote: »

spain doing a great job me hole , that's the same as Trump liking his own tweet or fox news , get off the spain is doing great train we wear masks and is safer than Ireland bull . ****ing cock

Many people, including the Irish government in my opinion, are not truly considering how volatile this whole situation is. Ireland has already had one day this week with cases well above the UK per population, you can look at data and say this or that country must be doing a terrible job, but the reality is one or two flare-ups and Ireland could quickly get some relatively horrible numbers. Yes nobody wants cases to be going up, but given that countries want to reopen as much normal life as possible, this was always going to happen to some extent, and given much higher testing, numbers are still much lower than they were in the spring everywhere in Europe, thank God. Let's be careful, let's be vigilant but no need to sling mud in case it lands on ourselves.

acequion · 01-08-2020 11:09pm

freak scence wrote: »

spain doing a great job me hole , that's the same as Trump liking his own tweet or fox news , get off the spain is doing great train we wear masks and is safer than Ireland bull . ****ing cock

Wow Spain must have have done something bad to you at some stage as it obviously cracks you up that they might be doing ok over there.

We won't let the facts get in the way of your rant.:rolleyes:

copeyhagen · 02-08-2020 2:25am

Gael23 wrote: »

Hoping to travel to Italy in June 2021 but not booking for another few months p. Just to make sure it stays on the green list

**** me.

copeyhagen · 02-08-2020 2:27am

freak scence wrote: »

spain doing a great job me hole , that's the same as Trump liking his own tweet or fox news , get off the spain is doing great train we wear masks and is safer than Ireland bull . ****ing cock

was there for two weeks and its safer than here, a million times over.

unless you think wearing masks at all times doesnt help?

johnire · 02-08-2020 2:59am

Sounds like a fun holiday.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Heading there on Monday. I have friends there. They take the precautions very seriously. You will get castigated by people for not observing SD/hand hygiene and particularly mask wearing and that's before a police officer gets involved. €1000 fine if not wearing a mask were required.

MickeyLeari · 02-08-2020 6:41am

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/it-may-be-mean-spirited-but-hundreds-of-teens-should-not-be-heading-abroad-for-fun-in-the-sun-39415058.html

It is an absolute disgrace. They did not even do exams and they are heading off to celebrate them.

Feria40 · 02-08-2020 7:51am

MickeyLeari wrote: »

It is an absolute disgrace. They did not even do exams and they are heading off to celebrate them.

I do wonder about articles like this in the current climate.

Firstly the Algarve... When has this ever been an LC destination?

It sounds more like the author has gotten wind of a handful of LC students heading off that she knows either directly or indirectly and now she is having a swipe.

GazzaL · 02-08-2020 7:59am

MickeyLeari wrote: »

It is an absolute disgrace. They did not even do exams and they are heading off to celebrate them.

Why wouldn't they celebrate? They pulled a fast one thanks to the #STAYTHE****HOME luvvies who want to cancel life.

johnire · 02-08-2020 9:10am

What about the hundreds of thousands of lives worldwide that have been “cancelled “ prematurely?? Or are you of Bolsonsro’s mindset that what the hell everyone has to die sometime??

GazzaL wrote: »

Why wouldn't they celebrate? They pulled a fast one thanks to the #STAYTHE****HOME luvvies who want to cancel life.

faceman · 02-08-2020 9:17am

freak scence wrote: »

spain doing a great job me hole , that's the same as Trump liking his own tweet or fox news , get off the spain is doing great train we wear masks and is safer than Ireland bull . ****ing cock

Do share your insight so rather than your rant. Or better yet, come visit and see what’s it’s like.

It’s insanity for any country to think they can eliminate the virus and continue down a path of restrictions where restrictions aren’t needed. Ireland is trying to adopt a 1 size fits all approach to the country. It’s not working and it’s crippling the country. Scaremongering won’t eliminate the virus either

It’s highly unlikely that there will be a day of zero infections and near impossible there will be a number of days of zero infections. The sooner people realise that the sooner countries can plan a recovery

Look what’s happening now, young people are the new focus point. What’s ireland going to do next? Impose curfew on people under 45? Close facilities that cater for young people? What do you think will happen then? The virus will just move to the next group

Testing, contact tracing, face masks and social distancing is how you manage it

Has Ireland’s testing regime changed at all? Does it still take a GP referral for a test?

02-08-2020 9:37am

johnire wrote: »

What about the hundreds of thousands of lives worldwide that have been “cancelled “ prematurely?? Or are you of Bolsonsro’s mindset that what the hell everyone has to die sometime??

What about them? How many people died last year in total? What were the highest causes?

02-08-2020 9:39am

MickeyLeari wrote: »

It is an absolute disgrace. They did not even do exams and they are heading off to celebrate them.

They are celebrating finishing 14 years of school. Could you stop being so miserable for 5 minutes and allow some people in the world to be happy?

bladespin · 02-08-2020 10:52am

MickeyLeari wrote: »

It is an absolute disgrace. They did not even do exams and they are heading off to celebrate them.

After months of uncertainty around how, if and when the LC could happen and stress of all that I’d say they deserve one tbh, they were one of the groups treated worst in all this.

Maybe just wait til the pubs are open and go on a mad one instead?

faceman · 02-08-2020 11:42am

bladespin wrote: »

After months of uncertainty around how, if and when the LC could happen and stress of all that I’d say they deserve one tbh, they were one of the groups treated worst in all this.

Maybe just wait til the pubs are open and go on a mad one instead?

Younger generations aren’t as in to booze as older ones

acequion · 02-08-2020 11:58am

Feria40 wrote: »

I do wonder about articles like this in the current climate.

Firstly the Algarve... When has this ever been an LC destination?

It sounds more like the author has gotten wind of a handful of LC students heading off that she knows either directly or indirectly and now she is having a swipe.

Agree with this. As a secondary teacher I've never heard of hoards of kids heading off foreign to celebrate finishing school. You'd hear of the odd small arrangement of 3-4 friends but certainly nothing whole school along the lines of a Debs, as the article implies.

Maybe getting tired at swiping at travellers as there are so few and swiping now at teenagers for the sake of it. :rolleyes:

I hope those kids have a nice time.

bladespin · 02-08-2020 12:27pm

acequion wrote: »

Maybe getting tired at swiping at travellers as there are so few and swiping now at teenagers for the sake of it. :rolleyes:

I hope those kids have a nice time.

Sensationalist writer’s wet dream article: teens, beaches, party and travel, surpused they haven’t thrown in the drugs line to get the auld wans weak at the knees.

is_that_so · 02-08-2020 1:35pm

MickeyLeari wrote: »

It is an absolute disgrace. They did not even do exams and they are heading off to celebrate them.

Nah, it's just next week's group to blame for our numbers. In all probability these trips were booked last year. Personally, see the mental health for this relief even if we get a few cases out of it. Our recent cases have shown the system for tracking them down is working well.

faceman · 02-08-2020 1:53pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Nah, it's just next week's group to blame for our numbers. In all probability these trips were booked last year. Personally, see the mental health for this relief even if we get a few cases out of it. Our recent cases have shown the system for tracking them down is working well.

Nail on head

They won’t import coronavirus. We have over 6 weeks of date from the EU and travel is not a driver of spread anymore. Seems counterintuitive but that’s the reality

johnire · 02-08-2020 3:26pm

Wow...that’s the most crass statement I’ve ever read.

quote="Niner leprauchan;114200743"]What about them? How many people died last year in total? What were the highest causes?[/quote]

Plumbthedepths · 02-08-2020 3:33pm

johnire wrote: »

Wow...that’s the most crass statement I’ve ever read.

quote="Niner leprauchan;114200743"]What about them? How many people died last year in total? What were the highest causes?

[/quote]

Crass or not , its realism. 90 people die each and every day in Ireland and that was before Covid.

Gael23 · 02-08-2020 5:29pm

There needs to be an acceptance that we must live with this for the time being and you can’t just lock people up indefinitely

acequion · 02-08-2020 6:47pm

I wasn't listening to it but seems that Donnelly had this to say on RTE's The Week:

"We are examining other options as well for further restrictions on non-essential travel because ... the international situation is becoming more volatile."

Jesus what is wrong with those people and their power trip!! Seems he also admitted that we have the strictest restrictions in Europe, yet they want to make it even worse!! :eek:

02-08-2020 7:39pm

acequion wrote: »

I wasn't listening to it but seems that Donnelly had this to say on RTE's The Week:

"We are examining other options as well for further restrictions on non-essential travel because ... the international situation is becoming more volatile."

Jesus what is wrong with those people and their power trip!! Seems he also admitted that we have the strictest restrictions in Europe, yet they want to make it even worse!! :eek:

How have we got the toughest restrictions?

acequion · 02-08-2020 8:55pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

How have we got the toughest restrictions?

Go look it up for yourself. That's widely known and Donnelly even referred to it today. And have you not even heard of Ryanair's action because in Ireland we're doing and I quote from Ryanair "a solo run" in Europe?

quokula · 02-08-2020 9:01pm

acequion wrote: »

Go look it up for yourself. That's widely known and Donnelly even referred to it today. And have you not even heard of Ryanair's action because in Ireland we're doing and I quote from Ryanair "a solo run" in Europe?

Yes because when weighing up what level you want to compromise between public health and air travel, Ryanair are definitely the kind of neutral arbiter you'd want to consult.

acequion · 02-08-2020 9:08pm

quokula wrote: »

Yes because when weighing up what level you want to compromise between public health and air travel, Ryanair are definitely the kind of neutral arbiter you'd want to consult.

There is very little compromise. The travel restrictions are punitive, the most stringent in Europe and as Ryanair points out "disproportionate to the risk" which is borne out by the stats of 1/10 cases being linked to travel. It is a bit crazy when you find yourself siding with Ryanair but I fully agree with them on this.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

How have we got the toughest restrictions?

Only just realised that it was you who clarified about Ryanair's action so I find this post puzzling!

Gael23 · 02-08-2020 9:20pm

If they make it any stricter Ryanair might succeed in their court case.

Beanybabog · 02-08-2020 9:22pm

I think Ryanair will succeed but since it’s a Judicial review it’ll still be open to the government to legislate for restrictions.

Gael23 · 02-08-2020 9:30pm

Beanybabog wrote: »

I think Ryanair will succeed but since it’s a Judicial review it’ll still be open to the government to legislate for restrictions.

What are the implications of them winning?

Beanybabog · 02-08-2020 9:41pm

Gael23 wrote: »

What are the implications of them winning?

A JR usually quashes a decision of a public body, and it focuses on the lawfulness of the process rather than the end decision. So a judge could think all travel should be restricted and still rule in Ryanair’s favour if they government acted unlawfully. One of the arguments will be that advice against non essential travel and the 14 day restrictions is in effect mandatory and therefore they didn’t follow correct procedures and legislate for it. The government argues its advisory. Given public employees are being forced take 14 days off if they travel I think there’s a good argument to be made it’s not advisory at all. There are more arguments being made too.

I assume if they win the Judge will quash the decision to have a green list at all and the 14 day restrict your movements. It could still come back but they’d have to publish legislation, take the usual steps, it could still be unconstitutional etc.
Not sure what would happen to the advice against non essential travel- it still affects insurance and therefore an individuals ability to travel.

I hope it’s gets on ASAP. Regardless of anyone’s opinion on travelling or not I’m sure lots of people would welcome the clarity that follows the case.

acequion · 02-08-2020 9:44pm

I listened back to that interview with Donnelly on "The Week" and to me he sounded quite proud of the fact that we have the strictest restrictions in Europe.Personally I hate the fact that my country is such a nanny state and I really hate this new Govt and am disappointed with their overcautious approach. From the outset they haven't hidden their political agenda to get schools reopened and fcuk any priority anyone else might have.And for all that the reopening plan is very unsafe, but that's being discussed in other threads.

I really hope Ryanair win their action though it may only be a Pyrrhic victory.The civil liberties people have gone very quiet again since their justifiable outrage last week over the sneaky stopping of PUP payments of people travelling. In Ireland citizen power is generally weak, the Govt call all the shots.One time it was the Church.

Gael23 · 02-08-2020 10:00pm

I do think reopening schools is very important but that’s off topic for the thread

Van.Bosch · 02-08-2020 10:05pm

MickeyLeari wrote: »

It is an absolute disgrace. They did not even do exams and they are heading off to celebrate them.

For those who won’t travel as things stand (I’m one) when do you think you would travel should things remain as is with no vaccine and low-ish levels of Covid in Ireland?

I’ll be going abroad in the new year maybe around March to somewhere with similar or lower Covid rates as us at that time.

MickeyLeari · 02-08-2020 10:17pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

They are celebrating finishing 14 years of school. Could you stop being so miserable for 5 minutes and allow some people in the world to be happy?

As someone who has for months been on the side of open up things (with caution) I was being sarcastic. Sick to the teeth of the focus on foreign travel which has probably led to an increase in cases domestically.

Gael23 · 02-08-2020 10:28pm

Van.Bosch wrote: »

For those who won’t travel as things stand (I’m one) when do you think you would travel should things remain as is with no vaccine and low-ish levels of Covid in Ireland?

I’ll be going abroad in the new year maybe around March to somewhere with similar or lower Covid rates as us at that time.

Aiming for June 2021 but nit going to book for another few months

acequion · 02-08-2020 10:37pm

MickeyLeari wrote: »

As someone who has for months been on the side of open up things (with caution) I was being sarcastic. Sick to the teeth of the focus on foreign travel which has probably led to an increase in cases domestically.

1/10 cases travel related according to Donnelly. 2.5% is the official figure since the start of the pandemic. Don't forget we've been open all the time to travellers from the US and the UK. So you would wonder where the 1/10 come from exactly but we're not privy to that classified information. None of the recent spikes around Europe have been travel related including the one here.

There's only a focus on travel because of the ban. It's like prohibition. The same obsessive focus is much less evident abroad, unsurprisingly.

So if you're sick of it I wouldn't be blaming ordinary people claiming their democratic right to travel, I'd blame those denying that right.

dartboardio · 03-08-2020 12:20am

Flew Dublin to Malaga on Wednesday gone.

Dublin Airport was absolutely dead, my flight was around 70% full though.. however, no enforcing of masks, or hand sanitizer upon entering the airport or any establishments within Dublin airport. Also, no one asking reasons for travel.

Burger King and the main Terrace Bar were closed, some clothing shops like Superdry was open, and Marquette was open for food/drinks/coffee.

Boarding was a very normal experience. Masks on plane the whole way over, Ryanair staff were telling people to wear their mask properly etc if they had it under their nose. Drinks and food served as normal on the plane, card only, no catalogues or magazines, use a QR code instead.

Upon arrival to Malaga Airport all was very organised and 'Covid Friendly'. Sign a contact tracing form upon arrival which they had hundreds of forms on tables, all in different languages for everyone to fill out.

As you came out of passport control there were designated people that took the forms from you, and your temperature was scanned on a big projector thing as you walked past.

In Spain now, all feels extremely safe and like any other Summer year, plenty of people around, all bars/restaurants open, beaches busy but all allocated a seperate spot to sit at. Everyone wearing masks.

Feel alot safer here than in Ireland, it's all very strict and organised here! Yes very hot at the moment but you get used to the masks, to be honest you only wear them in shops and walking to and from places..

You don't need to wear your mask at the pool/beach/ or once you arrive at your table in a restaurant or bar

If anyone is considering going to Spain I'd say definitely come, as I said it is alot safer and more organised here with restrictions compared to at home! Feels like any other year apart from masks.

I haven't seen many police officers but they will fine you €100 if you don't have your mask on you when you are supposed to, but again, it's not an issue as everybody is happy to comply and wear it.

Tenzor07 · 03-08-2020 11:24am

dartboardio wrote: »

Flew Dublin to Malaga on Wednesday gone.
Dublin Airport was absolutely dead, my flight was around 70% full though.. however, no enforcing of masks, or hand sanitizer upon entering the airport or any establishments within Dublin airport. Also, no one asking reasons for travel..

You sure about the Hand sanitizer thing? They are everywhere in the airport, no escaping them...
Also i'm sure that if you hadn't got your mask on then someone from the DAA would approach you quite quickly as they're mandatory...

Who would you suggest has the legal right to ask you the reason why you're travelling at an airport?

Agree that the airport is Dead... The Irish are staying in their homes or booking overpriced boring holidays in Ireland.

fm · 03-08-2020 12:07pm

So 1 in 10 are travel related, what exactly does that mean? Over what time period would be helpful. Over the past week maybe or shorter? So approximately 28 cases going by last week and then what do they mean by related? Maybe 1 person returning from abroad and passing on the virus to 27 in total, who knows.
It's a very basic stat for a health minister to be throwing out there for the likes of rte to then turn into a headline

H8GHOTI · 03-08-2020 12:17pm

acequion wrote: »

1/10 cases travel related according to Donnelly. 2.5% is the official figure since the start of the pandemic....

I haven’t seen the interview with him but is the 1/10 figure for recent cases?
The 2.5% figure is meaningless. Of course there was very little travel related as a percentage of the total number. Practically nobody travelled for months.

10% is still a low figure though. Be interesting to see is that for July & from what countries did the cases come from.

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