The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

FrancieBrady · 20-10-2020 10:42pm

Truthvader wrote: »

Yep, probably. Trying to save all lives including thickos who have to be appealed to at whatever level the message is likely to get through. Sorry Leo is so fat.

Ah now, it was just a few rounds of golf and a shmoozing session of vested interests...no need to be harsh Truth.

blanch152 · 20-10-2020 11:11pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where?

You really should have contacted HQ on this one...the Irish government will not use the term.

Yeh...they have no status at all, isn't that right Mark. To counter the claim you need to tell us what they are.

The Irish government doesn't state that everyone born on this island is Irish by default because of geography, but that doesn't stop you proclaiming it all day long today.

If Mark and I call these islands the British Isles, that is twice as many people who call it that than those who say everyone born on this island is Irish be geographical default.

Open an atlas and you will see the term too.

markodaly · 20-10-2020 11:12pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is you that has been making a fuss about a simple reality understood by people like Ian Paisley, David Trimble and most people in the world. Those people born on the island called Ireland are Irish.

They are adults and grown men, they can call themselves what they want.
What you cannot do is tell people that all newborn babies born on the island of Ireland are 'irish'.

It really really is that simple, Francie.
But as an ultra-nationalist, it may be more difficult for you.

The GFA doesn't approach this nor talks about the defacto identity of people.
Only you do that. Only you Francie!

FrancieBrady · 20-10-2020 11:40pm

markodaly wrote: »

They are adults and grown men, they can call themselves what they want.

Yes, as stated many times now...some would say it has been stated 'ad nauseum', the GFA enshrines their right (I do also) to identify as they please.

What you cannot do is tell people that all newborn babies born on the island of Ireland are 'irish'.

I asked you what do you call people born on an island called Ireland?

You STILL haven't given us an answer, bar we should not refer to them as anything. As extreme a belligerent Unionist position as I have seen on these boards. Even more extreme than Ian Paisley's or David Trimble's view. Bizarre really.

It really really is that simple, Francie.
But as an ultra-nationalist, it may be more difficult for you.

The GFA doesn't approach this nor talks about the defacto identity of people.
Only you do that. Only you Francie!

The GFA deals with the chosen 'identities' of the people of the island of Ireland Mark.

Are we gonna get these 'official' references to the 'British Isles'...or are you just gonna slither off and pretend you never claimed that?

markodaly · 20-10-2020 11:48pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I asked you what do you call people born on an island called Ireland?

You STILL haven't given us an answer, bar we should not refer to them as anything.

What we do know is that is it is not your place to give them an identity one way or the other.
I know you have an inner tyrant in you, but the GFA is clear on this.

The GFA deals with the chosen 'identities' of the people of the island of Ireland Mark.

Chosen Francie, the keyword there.

Nobotty · 21-10-2020 12:01am

Its preposterous IMO to describe anyone born in Ireland as not intrinsically Irish
They are
Even Unionists don't disavow their Irishness,they'll refer to it as Northern Irish or Scots Irish

The term British Isles is frowned upon and is disused except rarely (The Irish lights refer to BBC radio 4 giving a shipping forecast for the British Isles https://www.irishlights.ie/safety-navigation/weather-information.aspx but don't say what they are)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2020 12:01am

markodaly wrote: »

What we do know is that is it is not your place to give them an identity one way or the other.
I know you have an inner tyrant in you, but the GFA is clear on this.

'Irish' because of the island on which you were born is NOT an identity. A newborn cannot choose an identity Mark.

You are making a complete fool of yourself now and hitting walls in the cul de sac's of your own inferiority complex.

Chosen Francie, the keyword there.

Yes Mark...'chosen identities' You have chosen one as an Irish person and it is different to mine.

Whenever you find those 'official' references to the 'British Isles', make sure to post now!

markodaly · 21-10-2020 1:39am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Irish' because of the island on which you were born is NOT an identity.

So being 'Irish' is not an identity now?
You are gas!

:D

Jamie Heaslip is Israeli sure!

:D

A newborn cannot choose an identity Mark.

Correct.

smurgen · 21-10-2020 8:11am

markodaly wrote: »

So being 'Irish' is not an identity now?
You are gas! :D

Jamie Heaslip is Israeli sure! :D

Correct.

What are you talking about? Real weird messaging from the nightshift crew.

JohnnyFlash · 21-10-2020 8:20am

Mary Lou McDonald left a high-level briefing with senior health officials after less than an hour last week, before later suggesting she didn't have the public health information to say whether the country should move to Level 5.

The Sinn Féin leader was last week repeatedly reluctant to say whether lockdown restrictions recommended by Nphet should be introduced, in part because she did not have publichealth information being given to the Government.

But the Opposition were given a detailed briefing from senior health figures on Monday of last week.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mcdonald-left-health-officials-briefing-after-less-than-an-hour-39649449.html

Two sources confirmed the Sinn Féin leader attended for less than an hour. The meeting began shortly after 4pm and lasted close to three hours.

Politicians who attended the meeting expressed surprise that the Sinn Féin leader left as early as she did. "She didn't say she was leaving - she just left," said one.

c montgomery · 21-10-2020 8:25am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Mary Lou McDonald left a high-level briefing with senior health officials after less than an hour last week, before later suggesting she didn't have the public health information to say whether the country should move to Level 5.

The Sinn Féin leader was last week repeatedly reluctant to say whether lockdown restrictions recommended by Nphet should be introduced, in part because she did not have publichealth information being given to the Government.

But the Opposition were given a detailed briefing from senior health figures on Monday of last week.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mcdonald-left-health-officials-briefing-after-less-than-an-hour-39649449.html

Two sources confirmed the Sinn Féin leader attended for less than an hour. The meeting began shortly after 4pm and lasted close to three hours.

Politicians who attended the meeting expressed surprise that the Sinn Féin leader left as early as she did. "She didn't say she was leaving - she just left," said one.

Needed to get the 2 gallons of fake tan on before the salons closed

The most orange Republican ever!

21-10-2020 9:50am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Mary Lou McDonald left a high-level briefing with senior health officials after less than an hour last week, before later suggesting she didn't have the public health information to say whether the country should move to Level 5.

The Sinn Féin leader was last week repeatedly reluctant to say whether lockdown restrictions recommended by Nphet should be introduced, in part because she did not have publichealth information being given to the Government.

But the Opposition were given a detailed briefing from senior health figures on Monday of last week.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mcdonald-left-health-officials-briefing-after-less-than-an-hour-39649449.html

Two sources confirmed the Sinn Féin leader attended for less than an hour. The meeting began shortly after 4pm and lasted close to three hours.

Politicians who attended the meeting expressed surprise that the Sinn Féin leader left as early as she did. "She didn't say she was leaving - she just left," said one.

Lovely behaviour from the supposed leader of the opposition.

blanch152 · 21-10-2020 10:05am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Mary Lou McDonald left a high-level briefing with senior health officials after less than an hour last week, before later suggesting she didn't have the public health information to say whether the country should move to Level 5.

The Sinn Féin leader was last week repeatedly reluctant to say whether lockdown restrictions recommended by Nphet should be introduced, in part because she did not have publichealth information being given to the Government.

But the Opposition were given a detailed briefing from senior health figures on Monday of last week.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mcdonald-left-health-officials-briefing-after-less-than-an-hour-39649449.html

Two sources confirmed the Sinn Féin leader attended for less than an hour. The meeting began shortly after 4pm and lasted close to three hours.

Politicians who attended the meeting expressed surprise that the Sinn Féin leader left as early as she did. "She didn't say she was leaving - she just left," said one.

She doesn't do detail, from what I heard.

It certainly comes across from her media work, where you rarely hear her get into detail on any policy issue, preferring to use stock phrases to criticise. She would be a disaster in any Ministerial position.

21-10-2020 10:11am

blanch152 wrote: »

She doesn't do detail, from what I heard.

It certainly comes across from her media work, where you rarely hear her get into detail on any policy issue, preferring to use stock phrases to criticise. She would be a disaster in any Ministerial position.

Imagine if she ever got to be Taoiseach?

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2020 10:19am

blanch152 wrote: »

She doesn't do detail, from what I heard.

It certainly comes across from her media work, where you rarely hear her get into detail on any policy issue, preferring to use stock phrases to criticise. She would be a disaster in any Ministerial position.

Yeh she could be running the Health Dept thinking this was the 19th Covid

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2020 10:30am

markodaly wrote: »

So being 'Irish' is not an identity now?
You are gas! :D

Jamie Heaslip is Israeli sure! :D

Correct.

In this context, how could it be an 'identity'? It is a newborn baby.

You really don't understand this whole 'identity' thing, do you?

nigeldaniel · 21-10-2020 10:36am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Mary Lou McDonald left a high-level briefing with senior health officials after less than an hour last week, before later suggesting she didn't have the public health information to say whether the country should move to Level 5.

The Sinn Féin leader was last week repeatedly reluctant to say whether lockdown restrictions recommended by Nphet should be introduced, in part because she did not have publichealth information being given to the Government.

But the Opposition were given a detailed briefing from senior health figures on Monday of last week.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mcdonald-left-health-officials-briefing-after-less-than-an-hour-39649449.html

Two sources confirmed the Sinn Féin leader attended for less than an hour. The meeting began shortly after 4pm and lasted close to three hours.

Politicians who attended the meeting expressed surprise that the Sinn Féin leader left as early as she did. "She didn't say she was leaving - she just left," said one.

She does not like responsibility, so by leaving early she does not have to take a line or make a decision, especially offering to support the government's decision. preferring instead an excuse.
That's the Sf way.

grayzer75 · 21-10-2020 10:38am

nigeldaniel wrote: »

She does not like responsibility, so by leaving early she does not have to take a line or make a decision, especially offering to support the government's decision. preferring instead an excuse.
That's the Sf way.

As opposed to getting the advice from NPHET, ignoring it, demeaning NPHET on national TV and then having to do a u-turn two weeks later......

Truthvader · 21-10-2020 10:42am

Sinn Fein trade on ignorance and the stupid neanderthal nationalism so evident here. Wouldn't suit them to have any knowledge or facts on any topic

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2020 10:50am

Truthvader wrote: »

Sinn Fein trade on ignorance and the stupid neanderthal nationalism so evident here. Wouldn't suit them to have any knowledge or facts on any topic

Yeh Truth, it hasn't been the same in the British Isles since them Shinners arrived, has it?

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2020 10:52am

grayzer75 wrote: »

As opposed to getting the advice from NPHET, ignoring it, demeaning NPHET on national TV and then having to do a u-turn two weeks later......

Wasting your time...will never be acknowledged or apologised for when in attack mode.

maccored · 21-10-2020 10:59am

Truthvader wrote: »

Sinn Fein trade on ignorance and the stupid neanderthal nationalism so evident here. Wouldn't suit them to have any knowledge or facts on any topic

yes captain Unionist

christy c · 21-10-2020 11:03am

I've said it before, but anyone stupid enough to think the demographics would look after themselves is unlikely to shine in any other areas. Completely out of her depth

blanch152 · 21-10-2020 11:38am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yeh she could be running the Health Dept thinking this was the 19th Covid

We saw it with her performance on the pension age issue. Not an iota about the long-term implications.

She is an accomplished media performer, that is true, but so is PJ Gallagher, and I wouldn't put him in charge of a kindergarten. He'd do a better job than Mary-Lou.

mynamejeff · 21-10-2020 11:40am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In this context, how could it be an 'identity'? It is a newborn baby.

You really don't understand this whole 'identity' thing, do you?

to be fair you and your party tend to use identify as weapon against people ye don't like, twisting and manipulating it as suits the cause at any given time ,

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2020 11:46am

blanch152 wrote: »

We saw it with her performance on the pension age issue. Not an iota about the long-term implications.

She is an accomplished media performer, that is true, but so is PJ Gallagher, and I wouldn't put him in charge of a kindergarten. He'd do a better job than Mary-Lou.

Maybe she thought the NPHET advice wasn't properly thought through blanch?

We know who 'the stand out media performer' is around government buildings is.

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2020 11:48am

mynamejeff wrote: »

to be fair you and your party tend to use identify as weapon against people ye don't like, twisting and manipulating it as suits the cause at any given time ,

The word is 'identity'.

I don't have 'a party' but if it is SF you are referring to, could you give some examples of how they twist identity to be a 'weapon'?

mynamejeff · 21-10-2020 11:50am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The word is 'identity'.

I don't have 'a party' but if it is SF you are referring to, could you give some examples of how they twist identity to be a 'weapon'?

you don't have a party ? stop will ya , this is your full time job ,

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2020 11:52am

mynamejeff wrote: »

you don't have a party ? stop will ya , this is your full time job ,

I couldn't care less what you think Jeff...can you answer the question now?

21-10-2020 11:53am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Maybe she thought the NPHET advice wasn't properly thought through blanch?

We know who 'the stand out media performer' is around government buildings is.

The idea of the meeting was to fine tune details in light of the ongoing pandemic. As leader of the opposition, one would think that her input is as vital as that of NPHET.

mynamejeff · 21-10-2020 11:58am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I couldn't care less what you think Jeff...can you answer the question now?

what's the hurry ? its not like you have anything else to do is it ?

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2020 12:01pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

what's the hurry ? its not like you have anything else to do is it ?

Soooooo...yet again, no answer. Ok.

JohnnyFlash · 21-10-2020 12:03pm

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/family-of-ira-victim-paul-quinn-hoping-for-justice-13-years-after-his-murder-39649730.html

I see the family of Paul Quinn are still hoping for justice after the brutal and savage murder of their son 13 years ago.

Paul Quinn punched the son of a senior member of the provisional movement and was lured to a shed in rural Monaghan where every bone in his body below his neck was broken. A metal stake was then driven through his face.

3 young men who were in that shed that night subsequently committed suicide due to what they saw done to their friend.

Conor Murphy of SF knows who did this. Thomas ‘Slab’ Murphy knows who did this. Not a normal party.

https://twitter.com/breegequinn/status/1318567025707569152?s=21

mynamejeff · 21-10-2020 12:04pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Soooooo...yet again, no answer. Ok.

na don't think ill bother , every one knows what I mean anyway ,

wont bother you sure your not part of the party right ……..

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2020 12:08pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

na don't think ill bother , every one knows what I mean anyway ,

wont bother you sure your not part of the party right ……..

Not suprisingly Jeff, when challenged, has lost his tongue.

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2020 12:10pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/family-of-ira-victim-paul-quinn-hoping-for-justice-13-years-after-his-murder-39649730.html

I see the family of Paul Quinn are still hoping for justice after the brutal and savage murder of their son 13 years ago.

Paul Quinn punched the son of a senior member of the provisional movement and was lured to a shed in rural Monaghan where every bone in his body below his neck was broken. A metal stake was then driven through his face.

3 young men who were in that shed that night subsequently committed suicide due to what they saw done to their friend.

Conor Murphy of SF knows who did this. Thomas ‘Slab’ Murphy knows who did this. Not a normal party.

https://twitter.com/breegequinn/status/1318567025707569152?s=21

The PSNI, The IMC and Gardai also know.

stefanovich · 21-10-2020 12:12pm

IMO Sinn Fein are not a legitimate party and should be disbanded. Individual members without a history of terrorism should start a new party if they like.

JohnnyFlash · 21-10-2020 12:14pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The PSNI, The IMC and Gardai also know.

Do they? Have you a link to that?

Do you believe that if someone has information that is useful to a murder enquiry then they should go to the police? Should Conor Murphy go to police, and, if not, why not?

blanch152 · 21-10-2020 12:15pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Maybe she thought the NPHET advice wasn't properly thought through blanch?

We know who 'the stand out media performer' is around government buildings is.

As she only lasted one hour of a three-hour meeting, how does she know it isn't properly thought through?

Mary-Lou has no record of handling any amount of detail.

blanch152 · 21-10-2020 12:17pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Do they? Have you a link to that?

Do you believe that if someone has information that is useful to a murder enquiry then they should go to the police? Should Conor Murphy go to police, and, if not, why not?

Something something condemn all crimes, something something, police forces not to be trusted, something something how do we know he has information or that he didn't go.

Truthvader · 21-10-2020 12:17pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The word is 'identity'.

I don't have 'a party' but if it is SF you are referring to, could you give some examples of how they twist identity to be a 'weapon'?

Well how about this stupid comment from a couple of posts up?

yes captain Unionist

GFA or no GFA the underlying bitterness and hatred has to be carefully nurtured at all costs

Truthvader · 21-10-2020 12:22pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The PSNI, The IMC and Gardai also know.

Yep probably true but thanks to the mafia thug atmosphere that pervades in Sinn Fein controlled areas no-one will ever give evidence.

blanch152 · 21-10-2020 12:24pm

Truthvader wrote: »

Yep probably true but thanks to the mafia thug atmosphere that pervades in Sinn Fein controlled areas no-one will ever give evidence.

Don't they contact the party when they want clearance to give evidence?

One of the witnesses in the Brady case got permission from Sinn Fein to give evidence. Surely Mary-Lou can extend that permission to the Quinn case?

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2020 12:24pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Do they? Have you a link to that?

Do you believe that if someone has information that is useful to a murder enquiry then they should go to the police? Should Conor Murphy go to police, and, if not, why not?

Well how did they decide that the IRA was not involved in an organisational way?

They had to know who the people were.

The locals all know and so do I.

I don't think Murphy has done the right thing here at all and I think the SF party would be better off without him, but to be perfectly honest this is not about finding out who did this anymore.

BTW who Murphy talked to, is not 'information' on the crime.

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2020 12:27pm

Truthvader wrote: »

Yep probably true but thanks to the mafia thug atmosphere that pervades in Sinn Fein controlled areas no-one will ever give evidence.

So how do people know the details of what happened in the shed?

'Sinn Fein' controlled areas?

:D Mary Lou controlling Cabra? You guys do love your film scripts.

Truthvader · 21-10-2020 12:29pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Don't they contact the party when they want clearance to give evidence?

One of the witnesses in the Brady case got permission from Sinn Fein to give evidence. Surely Mary-Lou can extend that permission to the Quinn case?

The tail does not wag the dog

Truthvader · 21-10-2020 12:31pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So how do people know the details of what happened in the shed?

'Sinn Fein' controlled areas? :D Mary Lou controlling Cabra? You guys do love your film scripts.

Well your forever telling us that you know so you tell me . How do you know?

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2020 12:37pm

Truthvader wrote: »

Well your forever telling us that you know so you tell me . How do you know?

Never mind me.

The police have described in detail what happened in the shed and they know who was in the shed...so who told them and if they told the police how can it be said 'Sinn Fein' are controlling the area? How is it known that '3 people who were there, have committed suicide' if there is a mafia like omerta imposed?

You have to be consistent here.

blanch152 · 21-10-2020 1:34pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Never mind me.

The police have described in detail what happened in the shed and they know who was in the shed...so who told them and if they told the police how can it be said 'Sinn Fein' are controlling the area? How is it known that '3 people who were there, have committed suicide' if there is a mafia like omerta imposed?

You have to be consistent here.

Look if everyone knows what happened and who was there, then there is no problem with you putting it all down in writing, as you say you know it as well.

After all, you can't be sued if the evidence is all there and the only reason there is no prosecution is because of the gardai dragging their heels.

On the other hand, if there really isn't the evidence you say there is, then you would be exposing yourself to being sued and therefore won't post it here.

To make your position credible, you have to post it all on here. Time to step up, Francie.

Truthvader · 21-10-2020 1:35pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Never mind me.

The police have described in detail what happened in the shed and they know who was in the shed...so who told them and if they told the police how can it be said 'Sinn Fein' are controlling the area? How is it known that '3 people who were there, have committed suicide' if there is a mafia like omerta imposed?

You have to be consistent here.

As you well know ("never mind me") plenty of people will tell talk to the police off the record. "Well will you give evidence of that?" "You must be joking"

"Never mind me" indeed.

The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

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