Irish bloggers..the truth coming out

Richard Hillman · 07-08-2020 4:41pm

Not really an Irish thing per se but I am getting annoyed at Golfers promoting Peleton without the whole #Ad thing. Its blatantly obvious that they got a free bike and are being continually paid to Peleton by posting up their spin session. Golf fans would be a nice market for Peleton to corner. Middle class, Middle aged men with a bit of cash.

Then when you look at the stats they are posting they are not very believable. Lee Westwood usually ends up in the Top50 out of about 2-3000 people online. He's putting up stats that Pro Cyclists would be happy with.

This was Lee Westwood 2 weeks ago. A bit of a gut and moobs
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDGhQNhDHd9/?igshid=nqhh0u5wq8ay

C'mon Lee. 1 hour Peleton in the morning, a round of golf and he must be stuffing himself with Chocolate Éclairs for the rest of the day.

Man Vs ManUre · 07-08-2020 4:42pm

RD must be earning a fortune from all her various collabs. And she is married to big money too!! She is living a very luxurious life. Has her Da managed to sell the mansion yet?? I think he was looking for €12million for it.

banie01 · 07-08-2020 4:49pm

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

RD must be earning a fortune from all her various collabs. And she is married to big money too!! She is living a very luxurious life. Has her Da managed to sell the mansion yet?? I think he was looking for €12million for it.

it terrifies me, that despite my having no interest in anything at all going on in this thread...
That as a 40yo male, I don't care about bloggers, tiktokers, #ad bolloxology by anyone including local 2nd rate wedding singers and her consumption habits all supported by gowls who really should know better...

That...
I
Know
Precisely
What and who you are on about :eek::(:o

Am I the zeitgeist? Has this shíte now permeated all of us? How do we kill it?
Fire?

Man Vs ManUre · 07-08-2020 4:59pm

SSM on the north side is making an absolute mint from all this, and her knock-on beauty empire. And you know it really is an empire at this stage. And her extended family seem to be in on the whole instagram/influencer life and are reaping the benefits. She especially flaunts her wealth on Instagram and tried to deflect it as the results of hard work, it’s very vulgar. Her middle sister is as rough as a badgers ar$e and she is also an influencer.
They have made themselves the Irish version of the Kardashian’s. Guaranteed vm will do a reality show of them at some stage.

Montage of Feck · 07-08-2020 5:11pm

Blogging from the bog should be a thing.

KiKi III · 07-08-2020 5:17pm

It’s mad how many people think taking selfies and blogging are narcissistic activities but spending half your day posting your views on anything and everything on boards is completely different.

Man Vs ManUre · 07-08-2020 5:28pm

KiKi III wrote: »

It’s mad how many people think taking selfies and blogging are narcissistic activities but spending half your day posting your views on anything and everything on boards is completely different.

But we are not looking for payment to post here. It’s just a pastime and a bit of craic. All this me me me Instagram #ad ‘public figure’ new world is bizarre. And it deserves a thread here to take the pi$s out of it. Even if these influencers are successful and making big money, I still have the right to slag them off.

banie01 · 07-08-2020 5:32pm

KiKi III wrote: »

It’s mad how many people think taking selfies and blogging are narcissistic activities but spending half your day posting your views on anything and everything on boards is completely different.

I'm pontificating gratis

Pro-Bono to an audience of people doing the same.

Now granted I am not the target audience for any of the SM influencers

But that people think there could be a sufficient RoI on gifting product to local "celebrities" in an Irish market?

Its a CBA I'd love to see. Can certainly see the benefit when it comes to low value/high volume, but with kitchen appliances?

KiKi III · 07-08-2020 5:34pm

banie01 wrote: »

I'm pontificating gratis
Pro-Bono to an audience of people doing the same.

So are the vast majority of bloggers/ influencers though. The proportion of people making any income from it is limited, while getting the odd freebie has been standard in journalism for years but somehow that escapes the same scrutiny.

coolbeans · 07-08-2020 5:57pm

KiKi III wrote: »

So are the vast majority of bloggers/ influencers though. The proportion of people making any income from it is limited, while getting the odd freebie has been standard in journalism for years but somehow that escapes the same scrutiny.

The best most thoughtful posts on boards are made by people who are anonymous and who will remain so. That makes it very different to the activities of these vapid instagrammers all of whom demand and expect recognition. There's nothing wrong with being disgusted by vanity and obnoxious self promotion and it sticks in my craw that those of us who value humility are just dismissed as sexists. Humility is actually a virtue you know, at least it used to be.

banie01 · 07-08-2020 6:00pm

KiKi III wrote: »

So are the vast majority of bloggers/ influencers though. The proportion of people making any income from it is limited, while getting the odd freebie has been standard in journalism for years but somehow that escapes the same scrutiny.

Ah now come off it!
Journalists receiving freebies and not declaring that, is ethically and morally corrupt and would lead to a fairly rapid firing and loss of reputation.
Its also AFAIK illegal to present an advertorial as anything other than a paid advert.

There is a world of difference between writing or vlogging on topics you are interested and knowledgeable about, and broadcasting ones life in all its detail and basically being a 5 star review for hire!
Which is what many of the #ad, #spon posts lead to.

Very rarely see anyone complaining or disparaging their freebies, hardly ethical if the product isn't great.
Thats even ignoring the amount of juice diet, magic and MLM ****e that is so prevalent across the sphere.

As for bloggers/insta whatevers, a huge difference between Boards and there is that Boards is in the main....
Anonymous.
Whereas those other things? Are they?
Would that have an impact on the discourse?

It is one of the less favourable sides of device convergence IMO.
Warhol predicted everyone would have 15 minutes of fame, and now we have a lot of people trying to take those minutes.
Its a small price to pay for all the benefits that the technology brings though.
The mobile phone and its abilities are changing the world in ways very few ever saw coming.

Man Vs ManUre · 07-08-2020 6:27pm

Had it not been for coronavirus majority of these influencers would have had about 10 foreign trips already this year, most of them without having to pay for them. That is 1 positive about the virus.

KiKi III · 07-08-2020 6:28pm

banie01 wrote: »

Ah now come off it!
Journalists receiving freebies and not declaring that, is ethically and morally corrupt and would lead to a fairly rapid firing and loss of reputation.
Its also AFAIK illegal to present an advertorial as anything other than a paid advert.

There is a world of difference between writing or vlogging on topics you are interested and knowledgeable about, and broadcasting ones life in all its detail and basically being a 5 star review for hire!
Which is what many of the #ad, #spon posts lead to.

Very rarely see anyone complaining or disparaging their freebies, hardly ethical if the product isn't great.
Thats even ignoring the amount of juice diet, magic and MLM ****e that is so prevalent across the .

You’re very much mistaken on your first point. Travel journalists have long gotten free trips, beauty journalists get free samples just like influencers do, film critics don’t pay for tickets to premieres etc.

It’s easy to write off influencers based on magic diet juice etc but you’re taking a small fraction (perhaps the most visible but not necessarily the most influential) as the lot.

I follow a lot of sobriety accounts and some of the influencers in that space have created incredibly supportive communities that are literally helping people overcome their addictions. And when they launch a book or host an event I’m more than happy to support them to the tune of a tenner as a thank you for that.

99nsr125 · 07-08-2020 6:37pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

You should “check out” the Radio forum, A.

Dr. Ciara Kelly gets dog’s abuse. Along with the likes of Mairead Ronan and Lottie Ryan.

Though seriously, Kelly is up her own twat

coolbeans · 07-08-2020 6:37pm

KiKi III wrote: »

I follow a lot of sobriety accounts and some of the influencers in that space have created incredibly supportive communities that are literally helping people overcome their addictions. And when they launch a book or host an event I’m more than happy to support them to the tune of a tenner as a thank you for that.

In fairness I don't think sobriety accounts are the issue. It's the vapid, vainglorious nonsense accounts with plenty of product placement and zero self awareness that draws my ire.

coolbeans · 07-08-2020 6:40pm

99nsr125 wrote: »

Though seriously, Kelly is up her own twat

That's the kind of stupid sexist remark that gets all men painted with the same brush. Unable to criticise her without resorting to her appearance or some element of her private parts. It's ****ing pathetic and says a lot more about you than it does about Ciara Kelly.

KiKi III · 07-08-2020 6:46pm

coolbeans wrote: »

In fairness I don't think sobriety accounts are the issue. It's the vapid, vainglorious nonsense accounts with plenty of product placement and zero self awareness that draws my ire.

My point was that people are assuming anyone who’s trying to develop a presence on a platform like Instagram is vapid and vainglorious when there are plenty who do it because they’re passionate about a particular topic whether it’s sobriety or mental health or politics or grassroots activism.

Lots of people here intent on throwing the baby out with the bath water.

07-08-2020 6:54pm

KiKi III wrote: »

My point was that people are assuming anyone who’s trying to develop a presence on a platform like Instagram is vapid and vainglorious when there are plenty who do it because they’re passionate about a particular topic whether it’s sobriety or mental health or politics or grassroots activism.

Lots of people here intent on throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Ahh..I don't think anyone would have an issue with that if it was honest..but like for every actual mental health activist trying to help people there are a multitude of b list celebrities banging on about anxiety just trying to boost their profile..

banie01 · 07-08-2020 7:01pm

KiKi III wrote: »

You’re very much mistaken on your first point. Travel journalists have long gotten free trips, beauty journalists get free samples just like influencers do, film critics don’t pay for tickets to premieres etc.

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I take it you are being deliberately awkward?
Those are all recognised advertorial channels and if a product is being praised?
It needs to be declared or there will be a reckoning.

Getting free product in the hope that you will write an ad...
That's not journalism, it's copywriting.

On your second point.
You seem to be conflating people doing actual good.
With people who rock up to restaurants or retailers demanding freebies on the strength of their followers?

You do see they are not the same thing, yeah?

One is actual "social" media?
The other is livestreamed extortion?

I mean I know I'm anonymous "ish" but if I rock up to my local chipper and demand free food on the back of my 24k thanks on boards.ie, I'm clearly an asshole!

On the other hand,

If I get a PM from someone who's read one of more my contemplative posts here?
I reply, in private and help if I can and advise where and how to seek help if I can't.

One is a commercial transaction amounting to let's leveraging ones profile.
The other is a socially responsible, caring and altruistic act.

That you know some accounts who make that altruistic act public and help others, that's great.

That's not the topic at hand tho, and in fairness conflating them does people who do good work a grave disservice.

This thread was opened with an example of fairly wanton begging behaviour and more were added.
You want to discuss charitable and responsible bloggers?
That's a different topic, start a thread on it

KiKi III · 07-08-2020 7:19pm

banie01 wrote: »

I take it you are being deliberately awkward?
Those are all recognised advertorial channels and if a product is being praised?
It needs to be declared or there will be a reckoning.

Getting free product in the hope that you will write an ad...
That's not journalism, it's copywriting.

I’m not being awkward, you’re just mistaken. Rosemary MacCabe (who has been a journalist at the Irish Times and a freelancer as well as an influencer) has written about it at length. Journalists get invited for free to ticketed events, get sent samples with press releases, get invited on trips etc all the time. If you don’t know this I suspect you don’t have many friends working in journalism.

And I experienced it myself when I dipped my toe in journalism. I wasn’t expected to pay for events I attended. A whole industry (PR) has sprung up around trying to get journalists to cover stories about their companies and freebies to journos often form part of that strategy.

Similarly, the media will often give soft coverage to a company that advertises with them.

JohnnyFlash · 07-08-2020 8:03pm

Omackeral wrote: »

If you got a few quid every time the ''quotation guy'' thanked your post you could make a pretty penny.

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

They are one and the same.

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

No, they display quite different characteristics.

PPL is a coke head who is married but can only get it up for escorts.

JF is an occasional cocaine user but has a thing for MILFs and his ex-sister in law.

ES is the hanger on, has never touched drugs, lost his virginity on his wedding night and hasn’t strayed since. Easily lead but harmless on his own.

Emmet is a fine poster, and one of the 'good ones' around here, but we are not the same person. Haven't a clue who he is.

My offer of creating some sort of Patreon account still stands. In return for membership you will get access to:

My posts 5 minutes before they are posted so you have the time to come up with something funny/interesting/relevant to say in reply.
I will personally create an OP for you that will generate at least 50 replies - 1 per year.
My e-book.

A bargain.

EmmetSpiceland · 08-08-2020 11:50am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Emmet is a fine poster, and one of the 'good ones' around here, but we are not the same person. Haven't a clue who he is.

My offer of creating some sort of Patreon account still stands. In return for membership you will get access to:
My posts 5 minutes before they are posted so you have the time to come up with something funny/interesting/relevant to say in reply.

I will personally create an OP for you that will generate at least 50 replies - 1 per year.

My e-book.

A bargain.

Very magnanimous of you, J. I wouldn’t have your “charity” dealing with that lot. And, also, thanks for the endorsement, much appreciated.

To be honest, I don’t mind being associated with yourself, or some of the others I’ve been “accused” of being, but I find it unseemly to be “connected” with the Pintman. An odious, and base, individual.

I’m actually glad you addressed these “attacks”, as no further edits due to that moderator’s “warning” seem to be forthcoming. A “blind eye” being turned, once again. Not surprising when one of their little “favourites“ is involved. Once again.

Here’s hoping a couple of them take you up on that offer, though. Would be nice to see some actual intelligent “humour” coming out of them, for a change. The “try hard” job they’re doing now is just lame.

JohnnyFlash · 08-08-2020 1:19pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Very magnanimous of you, J. I wouldn’t have your “charity” dealing with that lot. And, also, thanks for the endorsement, much appreciated.

To be honest, I don’t mind being associated with yourself, or some of the others I’ve been “accused” of being, but I find it unseemly to be “connected” with the Pintman. An odious, and base, individual.

I’m actually glad you addressed these “attacks”, as no further edits due to that moderator’s “warning” seem to be forthcoming. A “blind eye” being turned, once again. Not surprising when one of their little “favourites“ is involved. Once again.

Here’s hoping a couple of them take you up on that offer, though. Would be nice to see some actual intelligent “humour” coming out of them, for a change. The “try hard” job they’re doing now is just lame.

Cheers Emmet. Nice words. I have very many flaws, but two things that stand to me - I never get angry on the internet; I don’t give a shïte what people think of me.

I’d say that’s a trait shared by many of the more successful influencers. Just able to ignore the abuse and jibes from the cheap seats.

JasonStatham · 08-08-2020 1:26pm

Yeah they're definitely the same person.

Rothko · 08-08-2020 1:43pm

JasonStatham wrote: »

Yeah they're definitely the same person.

Couldn't make it more obvious

givyjoe · 08-08-2020 1:48pm

Hangdogroad wrote: »

Relax dude.

Much like influencers.. best ignored.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 08-08-2020 5:47pm

KiKi III wrote: »

It’s mad how many people think taking selfies and blogging are narcissistic activities but spending half your day posting your views on anything and everything on boards is completely different.

I think there’s a big difference there. Discussions have way more value. And people are putting those views across anonymously. Nobody here is bothered about getting lots of attention for their views and if they are, it’s a daft way to go about it.

coolbeans wrote: »

The best most thoughtful posts on boards are made by people who are anonymous and who will remain so. That makes it very different to the activities of these vapid instagrammers all of whom demand and expect recognition. There's nothing wrong with being disgusted by vanity and obnoxious self promotion and it sticks in my craw that those of us who value humility are just dismissed as sexists. Humility is actually a virtue you know, at least it used to be.

Wish I could thank this post twice.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 08-08-2020 5:54pm

I’d highly recommend this article about a group of Australian influencers. One of the best long-form articles I’ve ever read. Lots of shade thrown, both subtle and not so subtle.

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2019/07/the-coast-of-utopia-surfer-moms-instagram-influencers/amp

B.A._Baracus · 08-08-2020 7:02pm

KiKi III wrote: »

You’re very much mistaken on your first point. Travel journalists have long gotten free trips, beauty journalists get free samples just like influencers do, film critics don’t pay for tickets to premieres etc.

Wouldnt mind being a film critic myself. Talk a load of crap and get paid

It really is a load of bullcrap when you think about it. As all those famous critics like Johnathan Ross and Barry Norman knew sweet **** all about making movies. But we can all rate and "review" something lol.

Something is wrong with society when people are listening to some randomer pulling garbage out of their ass and making a YouTube video etc.

08-08-2020 7:31pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Something is wrong with society when people are listening to some randomer pulling garbage out of their ass and making a YouTube video etc.

Whatever about that..what really just causes me to despair are the "reaction videos/box openings"..

"Watch my facial expression as I watch a video/open something I bought for the first time.."

What in the actual f*ck like..

Muahahaha · 08-08-2020 8:11pm

Can someone who has read that 37 page thread in the OP summarise what exactly this latest kerfuffle is about?

KiKi III · 08-08-2020 8:13pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Can someone who has read that 37 page thread in the OP summarise what exactly this latest kerfuffle is about?

Serena slept with Nate even though he’s with Blair and she’s still totally into Dan.

xoxo

GossipGirl

08-08-2020 8:19pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Can someone who has read that 37 page thread in the OP summarise what exactly this latest kerfuffle is about?

Ahem..

It's basically a hape of women bitching about some influencer that they used to like.. she's living on takeaways..(a LOT of take aways..)..all she does is trapse around Limerick trying to get free everything.. she's a bit of a coke head.. she's fatter than she looks in the pictures..

ChikiChiki · 08-08-2020 8:21pm

JasonStatham wrote: »

Yeah they're definitely the same person.

This is known since the MB threads. I'm chalking it down to personality disorder. If it makes the person happy I suppose.

EmmetSpiceland · 08-08-2020 8:35pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Can someone who has read that 37 page thread in the OP summarise what exactly this latest kerfuffle is about?

I am Wayne Jarvis.

EmmetSpiceland · 08-08-2020 8:36pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

This is known since the MB threads. I'm chalking it down to personality disorder. If it makes the person happy I suppose.

Swing. And a miss there, C.

KiKi III · 08-08-2020 10:00pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’d highly recommend this article about a group of Australian influencers. One of the best long-form articles I’ve ever read. Lots of shade thrown, both subtle and not so subtle.

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2019/07/the-coast-of-utopia-surfer-moms-instagram-influencers/amp

That's a very good article. You did warn it was a long read, I should have made tea before I started it.

Muahahaha · 08-08-2020 10:07pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ahem..

It's basically a hape of women bitching about some influencer that they used to like.. she's living on takeaways..(a LOT of take aways..)..all she does is trapse around Limerick trying to get free everything.. she's a bit of a coke head.. she's fatter than she looks in the pictures..

ah right, so bitches be bitching basically.

KiKi III · 08-08-2020 10:10pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

ah right, so bitches be bitching basically.

I read a few pages of it and her diet, body, work ethic and boyfriend were all torn apart. I hope she's making some money out of it because if she's not she's absolutely mad to put herself through that level of scrutiny.

bigpink · 08-08-2020 10:18pm

Totally wrong to talk about body I agree
All the freebies etc and ads yes

coolbeans · 08-08-2020 10:30pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’d highly recommend this article about a group of Australian influencers. One of the best long-form articles I’ve ever read. Lots of shade thrown, both subtle and not so subtle.

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2019/07/the-coast-of-utopia-surfer-moms-instagram-influencers/amp

Yer wan who refuses her kids all screens including phones and tellies yet relentlessly pushes their images all over instawank, bookface and the rest made me vomit up me dinner a little bit.

08-08-2020 10:36pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Maeve Higgins, Alison Spittle, and every other Irish female comedian as well on the various comedy threads. There’s a serious waft of misogyny from a relatively small cohort of angry men around here.

Might help their cause if any of those were actually funny

08-08-2020 10:42pm

KiKi III wrote: »

I read a few pages of it and her diet, body, work ethic and boyfriend were all torn apart. I hope she's making some money out of it because if she's not she's absolutely mad to put herself through that level of scrutiny.

But shur she's however many years into it at this stage..At this point I'm sure it's become an aspect of her identity, she would probably find it very difficult to turn around ad go 'oh, I'm not an influencer anymore..'..It probably didn't start out like that..Familiarity probably breeds contempt too..That whole site is probably pretty much all the same..It's pretty vicious though..We're fierce civilized here in comparison..

08-08-2020 10:49pm

Most influencers dont bother me because like the vast majority of sensible people that dont tune in, im relatively unfamiliar with the who's who. More power to them if they make shed loads off the current idiocracy. Not sure if she falls under this category but Maura Higgins for example was declared a millionaire a few months ago. It says more about the people who would follow this girl than the girl herself.

KiKi III · 08-08-2020 10:53pm

Young, beautiful people have always been able to make quite a lot of money by doing not very much. Those with inherited wealth even moreso.

Social media didn't create this phenomenon.

08-08-2020 10:59pm

KiKi III wrote: »

Young, beautiful people have always been able to make quite a lot of money by doing not very much. Those with inherited wealth even moreso.

Social media didn't create this phenomenon.

Its surely made it more prevalent though??

Like fair play and all to em,deosnt affect me either way.......

Reminds me of when everyone used snigger at jedward,with a net worth of 6.5 million,whos laughing at who now

nthclare · 08-08-2020 11:01pm

KiKi III wrote: »

Young, beautiful people have always been able to make quite a lot of money by doing not very much. Those with inherited wealth even moreso.

Social media didn't create this phenomenon.

Not nessarilly, a lot of these blogger's and influencer's end up in rehab and observing their addictive behaviours and self obsession they're usually miserable.

Even when they end up in rehab and rock bottom they still blog about it.

It's all superficial waffle, they're never happy.

Just empty vessels and no soul or spirit within them...

You're probably living a more honest and reliable lifestyle yourself.

08-08-2020 11:03pm

KiKi III wrote: »

Young, beautiful people have always been able to make quite a lot of money by doing not very much. Those with inherited wealth even moreso.

Social media didn't create this phenomenon.

No but it accelerated it greatly and as a result, more ordinary people have become even more vaccous and Now, everyone with a social media account and a good camera phone can become a 'star'. The talent scouts and the agents have been removed from the process.

KiKi III · 08-08-2020 11:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Its surely made it more prevalent though??

Like fair play and all to em,deosnt affect me either way.......

Reminds me of when everyone used snigger at jedward,with a net worth of 6.5 million,whos laughing at who now

Well, yeah - but only to the extent that people choose to buy into it.

I love Instagram, but a friend of mine joined and left during lockdown because he felt it was vacuous. Now fair enough, but he was choosing who he was following and he chose stereotypical influencer types.

I mostly follow my own friends, family, and acquaintances, then a bunch of sobriety and mental health accounts, and then a few celebrities/public figures but only if I find them genuinely entertaining or they have a bit of subtance about them.

The nice thing about it is that you can totally curate your own feed, unlike facebook where you're constantly bombarded with stuff because your friend liked/ comment on it. So if your feed is full of vacuous eejits, it's more of a reflection on you than them.

Man Vs ManUre · 08-08-2020 11:04pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Most influencers dont bother me because like the vast majority of sensible people that dont tune in, im relatively unfamiliar with the who's who. More power to them if they make shed loads off the current idiocracy. Not sure if she falls under this category but Maura Higgins for example was declared a millionaire a few months ago. It says more about the people who would follow this girl than the girl herself.

I think Maura is a great example of this whole phenomenon which is much bigger than just influencers. Ok she was funny and entertaining, and she is a very pretty girl. But now your personality alone, and keeping in shape and being willing to parade around in skimpy bikinis, all while being crass and open about sex, means you’re a strong independent woman and entrepreneur, and opens the doors to untold riches. I already know what her new show on Monday night will be like before I even watch it. We have been dumbed down as a result of all this, and I am ashamed to say I am a consumer of it. Life is tough and this type of brain numbing entertainment has become the relief.
It’s equally as bad on the lads side with them all going around topless, obsessed with gym, eating out and partying in Ibiza.
There is no real beginning to it, but E and the Kardashian empire have to take a lot of the blame for all this.

Irish bloggers..the truth coming out

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